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3e3b4f No.10766 [Open thread]

Suppose a total newcomer wants to become a Christian and attend church. Why is your church correct? What do you tell him, in short?

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3e3b4f No.10776

File: bea4c43e89baccd⋯.pdf (1.13 MB,bfmexposition.pdf)

>>10771

This is our statement of faith with exposition from Southern Seminary

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e0c5cc No.10791

>>10766

Independent Fundamental Baptist. They most closely align with the Christianity of the Ante-Nicene period, in both doctrine and practices.

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0022bd No.10829

>>10791

>They most closely align with the Christianity of the Ante-Nicene period, in both doctrine and practices.

Citations from the Ante-Nicene fathers would be appreciated.

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3e3b4f No.10840

>>10829

here's a few relevant quotations on the issue of baptism

https://carm.org/early-church-fathers-baptism

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53bc06 No.10843

>>10766

The church that Jesus himself built and left behind of course!

https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLbDsxw-e0m3mIkapUEZ_-5BEOr19F4t73

We're also the only "denomination" that uses the oldest and most reliable remaining version of the scriptures:

https://youtu.be/VI1yRTC6kGE

https://youtu.be/s6lkJgBddlc

Unfortunately, all the other [western] Christian theologies out there, have the unintended side effect of inevitably collapsing into nihilsm, which defeats the purpose of the faith in the first place:

http://www.oodegr.com/english/filosofia/nihilism_root_modern_age.htm

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15574a No.10465 [Open thread]

yes, the homofag in the mods has finally flowered with its many hues. that’s right, it’s the infamous world filter “feature” which isna form of automatic arrogant abuse, ah, what kindness, what spiritfulness, what a blessing to degrade with such anoinched high nose! fûck the mods.

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8710fc No.10548

>>10465

>>10535

>>10470

>>10468

>>10536

OP, we barely know what the FRICK you are talking about. Please delete this thread and try again coherently, otherwise do not make it again/continue posting.

And for everyone else, please dont bump this shit

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535463 No.10554

What even is this thread

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35beaa No.10699

>>10548

lol u can’t type fûck

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a792a7 No.10700

>>10699

Stop bumping shit threads

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4b4dd6 No.10794

>>10700

in your estimation, one of human derivation. mine is a loftier intention.

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a371f1 No.10272 [Open thread]

New documentary by Verity Baptist Church

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356d57 No.10551

>>10550

>Not trying to hate on baptists but you guys have a rich *real* history to draw from without resorting to modern memes.

It would be a mistake to consider this "new IFB" movement as representative at all of baptists. It's really just a small number of newly planted churches coupled with good youtube publicity.

The cathar and waldensian connection is just part of the "trail of blood" idea from the early 20th century, trying to find examples in every era of Christian groups practicing believers baptism only.

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f69807 No.10552

>>10550

>And the waldensians are still around today and their beliefs are very similar to calvinism

Let's clarify this: 21st century Waldensians are LGBT-affirming apostates. Historic Waldensians were Calvinistic.

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c5c41c No.10553

Nice, thanks for sharing

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b932b5 No.10638

>>10551

It's too bad they followed in the footsteps of the Trail of Blood (1931) version of events and didn't do some more original research on the subject. They could have found much better sources such as the Edinburgh Encyclopedia article of 1830 (Vol. 3, p. 251) and other primary sources.

The ToB really doesn't argue strongly enough from the case for the local church and against state churches, and what I mean specifically is they think there is a need to identify with "groups," which were usually in their times equally as political as the very state church that they opposed. While it is often the conceivably the case that local, Bible-believing churches were politically under some state church, that doesn't mean churches needed to react to this with some "movement" to compete for political capital with these state entities. Although it is very likely the case that individual members of such churches did participate in these political movements, their local churches did not institutionally go along with them. Because to do so, and to form a denomination, would be antithetical to maintaining true Biblical primacy.

So just as in the counter-reformations baptists were charged as being protestant due to often existing inside lands controlled by those state churches, in other times they would have been called (by their pedobaptist adversaries) donatists or paulicians for instance, or else called by some political movement as the peasant uprising in Munster or the Petrobrusians or Waldensians, or else just struck with the general derogatory anabaptist label (as the Mennonites eventually even adopted this label). But none of these groups or "movements" is the same as the independent, baptist, local church because that is based on the New Testament. It has received the Scripture which is the word of God (preserved from destruction by various state church entities) and it hasn't changed or added doctrine since. Even today, one of those historical distinctives is the refusal to use any corrupted versions of scripture such as the alexandrian or catholic versions, as well as being baptist and not organized into a political denomination.

That's also (one of) the reasons I don't associate with NIPost too long. Click here to view the full text.

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678bf3 No.10783

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29c767 No.9197 [Open thread]

HE'S BACK

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f6d3b8 No.10724

>>10694

Goyim knew so they shut it down

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7ffffe No.10730

>>9197

channel shut down who was this

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3554ce No.10733

>>10730

Yeah, what was this thread about? FRICK youtube, btw.

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2c1ed6 No.10763

>>10730

>>10730

Back from 2015 to about early 2018, Common Filth was a Protestant podcaster who detailed the degeneracy and evils of the current generation with a clearly Christian point of view. He didn't play into anyone's hands left or right, not Republirats, not NatSoc-larpers, not Alt-Kikes, not Church-cucks, just a raw. unfiltered indictments against modern culture straight outta Ezekiel 23. About the time he took a deep pause (late 2017 or early 2018), I assume he took a break since he either got married or was deep in his relationship with his gf, and many believe his research was starting to affect negatively, especially spiritually, which he knew.

Oh, and perhaps the most important lesson from him:

Ignore Sodomite Orders

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c7928c No.10768

>>10763

Just another reviler who got enjoyment and revelry out of explaining and sharing in meticulous and painstaking detail the degrading filth of others. Also he said and I quote we should never have given the gospel to English people and that "white girls [expletive] dogs." I'm glad that he is gone. We need to read Ephesians 4 and 5 as a pattern for behavior, and that guy clearly never did this.

And have no fellowship with the unfruitful works of darkness, but rather reprove them.

For it is a shame even to speak of those things which are done of them in secret. - Ephesians 5:11-12

Let no corrupt communication proceed out of your mouth, but that which is good to the use of edifying, that it may minister grace unto the hearers.

And grieve not the holy Spirit of God, whereby ye are sealed unto the day of redemption. - Ephesians 4:29-30

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9b0228 No.10048 [Open thread]

comfy church feels edition

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9b0228 No.10587

File: 5e62169d77902a2⋯.webm (7 MB,960x588,80:49,All Hail the Power.webm)

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a73497 No.10672

>>10587

Nice arrangement of "All Hail the Power"

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9b0228 No.10757

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>>10672

Isn't it? It's sung by the "centurymen", an all male chorus.

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ba5f9a No.9121 [Open thread]

>protty church music

Why is protty church music such crap? Is this a sign of the failure of modern protestant congregations.

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c928ef No.9390

>>9376

>Why would he not inspire us to sing a "new song" as well, as the Psalms themselves tell us to?

Do you realize what you're saying? Shall we start binding hymnals after Revelation?

>Also, when the Psalms instruct us to worship with instruments, are we to take Psalm 33 as literally instructing us to only utilize the specific 10 string harp from Old Testament times exclusively, or risk engaging in "strange fire"?

We are not to use instruments at all, they were a part of the sacrificial worship of the old covenant.

>In light of such things, Solae Scriptura, in regards to worship, makes more sense as a guide, rather than a Talmudic regulatory manual

Now, the time has come to exegete the key text.

<And Nadab and Abihu, the sons of Aaron, took either of them his censer, and put fire therein, and put incense thereon, and offered strange fire before the Lord, which he commanded them not. And there went out fire from the Lord, and devoured them, and they died before the Lord. Then Moses said unto Aaron, This is it that the Lord spake, saying, I will be sanctified in them that come nigh me, and before all the people I will be glorified. And Aaron held his peace.

Now, what was Nadab and Abihu's sin? That they offered worship according to their own construction, rather than divine regulation. Thus their fire is called strange, for "he commanded them not". Now this sin was so serious, that God did not even wait for them to be punished by the people, but immediately slew them, not only slew them but burned them alive. We can imagine that Aaron was reasonably nearby to them, his sons, his pride and joy, his genetic legacy, the surety of the continuance of life and the cheating of death, whom he had known since they were but babes and raised them to be men. I wonder if he heard their screams. Evidently, God felt indebted to Aaron, to give a reason and make explanation, of why his sons who had received such an honor had to die so horribly and so soon, because He specially sent Moses, just for Aaron, to explain. And He explains, that He shall be glorified before the people, which consideriPost too long. Click here to view the full text.

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caa07f No.9404

>>9389

>The death of the whole entails the death of all parts.

Under that logic, that would entail the Psalms of the Old Testament as well.

>We should restrict worship art to none whatsoever. How we have forgotten the second commandment, that we put up images of corruptible man and birds and fourfooted beasts and creeping things in God's house. Lord have mercy.

>We are not to use instruments at all, they were a part of the sacrificial worship of the old covenant.

Ohhhhhh….I see. Even though that commandment against graven images ordained by God, is given literally shortly before specific instructions were given on building the temple, including images of cherubim, animals, etc., thus making that commandment exegetically related specifically to utilizing art for idolatry, not art itself.

As for your point on instruments…. so it's Biblically mandated to follow the 150 Psalms…. but disobeying their instructions to use instruments is also Biblically mandated… according to you?

I'm not going to waste my time with the rest, because I can already tell from just these responses from you, that not only are we not going to see eye to eye, but you are clearly treating Scripture as a pick and choose buffet, or even a "perforated Bible" as satirized in the Babylon Bee, in order to suit your interpretation of Scripture:

https://babylonbee.com/news/new-bible-perforated-pages-announced/

That or you're a troll taking me for a ride, which I'm getting off of now, thank you very much.

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c928ef No.9516

>>9404

>you are clearly treating Scripture as a pick and choose buffet

No I just understand (evidently unlike you) that not all worship in ancient Israel was part of sacrificial temple worship. There's a clear pattern here you're just choosing not to see it in favor making arguments that are logically fallacious and factually incorrect.

>That or you're a troll

And the fact you saw fit to make such a conclusion about such a thorough response which actually exegeted the key text demonstrates that all this post really was is capitulation.

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86c47d No.9556

Prots have some good hymns - Blessed Assurance, I’l Fly Away, etc. Last time I was in a Baptist church it was 1/2 hymns and 1/2 garbage like in the OP. Definitely a step in the wrong direction.

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ee68a1 No.10749

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3799bf No.10374 [Open thread]

Ten Minute Bible Hour on youtube just released a new video in his series where he visits a church of a different denomination and speaks with the pastor there. This time he's at a Roman Catholic cathedral in Salt Lake City.

He's a mainstream evangelical, probably baptist. He has youtuber personality. He's probably going to politely treat everything as very impressive and not push back on any theological claims of the priest there.

Let's watch it, friends.

>Previous episodes

>Greek orthodox: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LTA8jbsm_XI

>High church, continuing Anglicanism: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W-K84JAysfI&t=1400s

>Mainstream Episcopalian: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vXD_64KBsn8

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e32eca No.10668

>>10623

It's more like

>go to a church

>expect to see Christians

>instead your pastor is a fag in skinny jeans with a RESIST tshirt

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3799bf No.10670

>>10668

Is that what you see when you click the video in the OP?

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e32eca No.10695

>>10670

I didn't even click on it hahahahaha

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3799bf No.10731

>>10695

So why are you demeaning him?

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be2618 No.10743

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>>10374

I really enjoyed the one he did with the Orthodox fella. This one was a bit less "impactful" to me than his sit down with the Orthodox pastor. It felt the whole time like the Catholic Priest was almost being disingenuous with some of his answers or explanations, like he was afraid to say "I don't know" whereas the Orthodox guy was perfectly comfortable to admit he didn't have all the answers. I don't mean to make this an anti-Catholic post because things are pretty heated especially on this board towards them, but its my honest thoughts on it.

>>10695

"Babe" sure, "In Christ" not so much, huh?

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567e54 No.9857 [Open thread]

Street preacher attacked by demon infested liberal. God sends off-duty cop to the rescue. Demon approaches at 4:30.

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0fea53 No.9858

>some screeching ape is being defended by God

Nice try rabbi.

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af1fe9 No.10716

I always wonder how many of these "street preacher accosted by x" videos are set-ups. Not that there's anything wrong with street preaching per se but many of them strike me as charlatans.

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67b6ef No.10721

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0fea53 No.10734

>>10721

I don't understand. A jew comes and claims that the Lord is intervening on behalf of ape, and pointing that out is somehow bait? Where in the bible did the Lord ever intervene on behalf of beasts?

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2eb8cc No.6413 [Open thread][Last50 Posts]

Just a reminder…

The Roman church isn't catholic.

The eastern church isn't orthodox.

The one, holy, Catholic and apostolic church is the church invisible, which is comprised of Christians everywhere in the world who profess the gospel message famously an eloquently declared in the reformation as Sola Fide. This is the gospel according to Luther, Augustine, Paul, and Abraham. Today orthodox Christianity is culturally known in the west as "evangelical protestantism".

<Galatians 1:8 NASB — But even if we, or an angel from heaven, should preach to you a gospel contrary to what we have preached to you, he is to be accursed!

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844282 No.10617

>>6577

>guy in gigantic funny hat who wants your shekels says you absolutely NEED to give him shekels or else you go to hell

How is this different than any number of personality cults?

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35bddb No.10622

>>8407

Your whole argument is an ipse dixit. "It isn't worship because we say it isn't worship". Why should I care about your ipse dixit?

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97106e No.10642

Threadly reminder,

Those who are born-again children of god, baptized in the Holy Ghost, CAN be reasonably sure they can understand the Bible without vain tradition.

We have THE author of the Bible dwelling in us, who guides us to all truth.

>What about the gnostic gospels??? How do you know they're not the Word of God without our vain tradition???

I've read them. They're retarded. They contradict the four Holy Gospels (and the rest of the Bible) so blatantly, that to not be able to tell their forgery shows you aren't indwelt by the Holy Ghost.

>I know who you are, you come from the Immortal Realm of Barbelo

-Judas, to Jesus, The Gospel of Judas

See, retarded.

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46d03f No.10720

>>10642

The bible clearly says we are all "indwelt by the Holy Ghost". Some people just don't listen to it.

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73fd4a No.10732

>>7166

>>7167

>>7172

>TollHouse Memes again

when will this end?

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ccef72 No.10705 [Open thread]

Thoughts on the Taiping Heavenly Kingdom and Hong Xiquan?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hong_Xiuquan

>Hong Xiuquan (洪秀全), born "Hong Huoxiu", was the third and youngest son of a poor[how?] Hakka family.[2][3] Some sources claim his family was "well to do".[4] He was born in Fuyuan Springs, Hua county (now part of Huadu District, Guangzhou), Guangdong to Hong Jingyang, a farmer and elected headman, and Madam Wang.[5][6][7] He and his family moved to Guanlubu Village shortly after his birth.[8] Upon marrying his wife Lai Xiying, Hong received the courtesy name "Renkun."[9]

>Hong showed an interest in scholarship at an early age, so his family made financial sacrifices to provide a formal education for him, in the hope that he could one day complete all of the civil service examinations.[2] Hong began studying at a primary school in his village at the age of five.[10] He was able to recite the Four Books after five or six years. He then took the local xiucai preliminary civil service examinations and placed first.[11] A few years later, he traveled to the nearby city of Guangzhou to take the imperial examinations.[12] He was unsuccessful and, his parents being unable to afford to continue his education, he was forced to return to agricultural work.[13] The next year, he accompanied a wealthy schoolmate elsewhere for a year of study and became a village schoolteacher upon his return.[14]

>In 1836, at the age of 22, Hong returned to Guangzhou to retake the imperial examinations.[15] While in Guangzhou, Hong heard Edwin Stevens, a foreign missionary, and his interpreter preaching about Christianity.[16] From them, Hong received a set of pamphlets entitled "Good Words for Exhorting the Age", which were written by Liang Fa, Stevens's assistant, and contained excerpts from the Bible along with homilies and other material prepared by Liang.[17] Supposedly, Hong only briefly looked over these pamphlets and did not pay much attention to them at the time.[2] Unsurprisingly, he again failed the imperial examinations, which had a pass rate of less than one percent.[18]

>In 1837, Hong attempted and failed the imperial examinations for a third time, leadinPost too long. Click here to view the full text.

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ccef72 No.10706

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>Hong began by burning all Confucian and Buddhist statues and books in his house, and began preaching to his community about his visions. Some of his earliest converts were relatives of his who had also failed their examinations and belonged to the Hakka minority, Feng Yunshan and Hong Rengan.[34] He collaborated with them to destroy holy statues in small villages, to the ire of local citizens and officials. Hong and his converts' acts were considered sacrilegious and they were persecuted by Confucians who forced them to leave their positions as village tutors. In April 1844, Hong, Feng Yunshan, and two other relatives of Hong left Hua county to travel and preach.[35] They first journeyed to Guangzhou and preached in the outlying areas before heading northwest to White Tiger Village.[36] There, Hong and Feng Yunshan split off and traveled some 250 miles to the southwest to the village of Sigu, Guiping county, Guangxi, where distant relatives of Hong's resided, including two early converts who had returned home.[37] It is in or near Sigu that Hong begins to draft "Exhortations to Worship the One True God," his first substantial work.[38] In November 1844, after having preached in Guangxi for five months, Hong returned home without Feng and resumed his previous job as a village teacher, while continuing to write religious tracts.[39]

In 1847, Hong Xiuquan was invited by a member of the Chinese Union to study with the American Southern Baptist missionary, Reverend Issachar Jacox Roberts.[40] Hong accepted and traveled to Guangzhou with his cousin Hong Rengan.[41] Once there, Hong studied Karl Gützlaff's translations of the Old and New Testaments and requested to be baptized by Roberts.[42] Roberts refused to do so, possibly due to Hong being tricked by the other converts into requesting monetary aid from Roberts.[43] Hong left Guangzhou on July 12, 1847 to search for Feng Yunshan.[44] Although robbed of all of his possessions, including his demon-slaying sword, by bandits in the town of Meizixun,[where?] he eventually reached Thistle Mountain on August 27, 1847.[45] There, he reunited with Feng and discovered the Society of God-Worshippers Feng had founded.[46]

>In January 1848, Feng Yunshan was arrested and banished to Guangdong, and Hong Xiuquan left for Guangdong shortly thereafter to once again reunite with Feng.[47] In Feng and Hong's absence, Yang XiuqingPost too long. Click here to view the full text.

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ccef72 No.10707

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>Hong made some minor changes in the text, such as correcting misprints and improving the prose style, but adapted the meaning elsewhere to fit his own theology and moral teachings. For instance, in Genesis 27:25 the Israelites did not drink wine, and in Genesis 38:16-26 he omitted the sexual relations between the father and his son's widow.[53] Hong preached a mixture of communal utopianism, evangelism, and Christianity. While proclaiming sexual equality, the sect segregated men from women and encouraged all its followers to pay their assets into a communal treasury.[54]

>When Hong returned to Guangxi, he found that Feng Yunshan had accumulated a following of around 2,000 converts. Guangxi was a dangerous area at this time with many bandit groups based in the mountains and pirates on the rivers. Perhaps due to these more pressing concerns, the authorities were largely tolerant of Hong and his followers. However, the instability of the region meant that Hong's followers were inevitably drawn into conflict with other groups, not least because of their predominately Hakka ethnicity. There are records of numerous incidents when local villages and clans, as well as groups of pirates and bandits, came into conflict with the authorities, and responded by fleeing to join Hong's movement. The rising tension between the sect and the authorities was probably the most important factor in Hong's eventual decision to rebel.

>By 1850 Hong had between 10,000 and 30,000 followers. The authorities were alarmed at the growing size of the sect and ordered them to disperse. A local force was sent to attack them when they refused, but the imperial troops were routed and a deputy magistrate killed. A full-scale attack was launched by government forces in the first month of 1851, in what came to be known as the Jintian Uprising, named after the town of Jintian (present-day Guiping, Guangxi) where the sect was based. Hong's followers emerged victorious and beheaded the Manchu commander of the government army. Hong declared the founding of the "Heavenly Kingdom of Transcendent Peace" on 11 January 1851. Despite this evidence of planning, Hong and his followers faced immediate challenges. The local Green Standard Army outnumbered them ten to one, and had recruited the help of the river pirates to keep the rebellion contained to Jintian. After a month of preparation the rebelsPost too long. Click here to view the full text.

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0325e3 No.10431 [Open thread]

Okay, this is epic.

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ff1528 No.10490

literally who?

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6c4ae5 No.10497

>>10431

Come on man this isnt /christian/. We dont want this kind of low quality bait here

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079200 No.10507

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>>10431

almost as epic as this

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3c55ee No.10674

>>10497

this. OP you need to work harder and maybe then you can master baiting

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01a61b No.10682

Indeed, very based:

>>10431

>Protestants:

>"You're going to Hell."

>>10507

>Muslims:

>"You're going to Heaven!"

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46f185 No.10449 [Open thread][Last50 Posts]

>God creates everything

>God knows everything

>God loves us

The three of those statements cannot exist at the same time. The issue here is that if God knows everything and creates everyone, he already knows which of his creations will go to heaven or to hell before he even creates them (predestination). Now if God creates a person who he already knows will spend an eternity in hell, he obviously does not love that person. Yet he mass produces people who are literally born to die and go to hell. Why would a loving God do this? There are two options. Either God does not love us or he does not know everything. The only way an all powerful God can justify the creation of hellbound people is if he himself does not know what choices that person will make in their lifetime that lead them towards heaven or hell. If that is true however he is no longer all powerful.

So. Is God all powerful, or does he love us? Or can anyone here begin to rationalize an argument that he can accomplish both? Prove me wrong.

(I embrace the coming shitstorm and shouts of heresy among anyone here who is not a calvinist or diehard catholic)

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72918f No.10567

>>10566

Ultimately, God determines what is good.

However, good means "that which eliminates suffering, physical and spiritual."

The commandments God gives us reduce our physical suffering, and following them is good.

Believing on the Lord Jesus reduces our spiritual suffering by granting us an eternal place in Heaven.

I think all philosophers would agree that "good" from the human perspective would mean a lack of suffering.

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c5b649 No.10568

>>10453

Him knowing where you end up doesn't mean you didn't choose to be there in the first place. You have the choice to be righteous or be a faggot. It says multiple times that it grieves him to send people to hell, but they made the choice to reject truth (and by extension him) so ultimately it is perfectly just. You seem to think God's primary attribute is "Love" whereas the God of scripture is one that's more interested in Justice and Truth, to the point he describes himself as Logic incarnate.

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7813cb No.10609

>>10568

>You seem to think God's primary attribute is "Love"…

Except that it is. God IS love

And such legalistic autistic attitude is one of the reasons that caused the weakening of Western Christendom

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c8fe29 No.10637

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>>10567

>Ultimately, God determines what is good.

>However, good means "that which eliminates suffering, physical and spiritual."

I would be interested to know in what way you believe God is wholly good. What does it mean to say God is good? What does it mean to say something like 'this is a good triangle', or 'this is a good painting'? Obviously, none of those things have physical suffering or spiritual suffering. How do you account for non-human goodness?

>The commandments God gives us reduce our physical suffering, and following them is good.

His commandments often tangentially result in the reduction of physical suffering. But is this their ultimate purpose?

>I think all philosophers would agree that "good" from the human perspective would mean a lack of suffering.

By no means friend! Huge debates have raged over this for a long time. Epicureans and Ultilitarians may buy wholesale into this sort of idea, but many lines of thought from Aristotelianism (which dominated Christian medieval philosophy) to Consequentialism would not agree with this definition of 'good from the human perspective'.

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72918f No.10639

>>10637

You're going to have two perspectives here, no matter what. Good from God's perspective, and good from the human perspective.

God simply made everything for his own pleasure. He saw nothingness as "not good," and creation, as "good."

We, as created beings, cannot necessarily define how the universe *should* be. Only the Creator can decide how things *should* be.

That being said, we have the Bible, which says God does not want us to suffer. And in the Bible, we have God's commandments, which, if followed, reduce suffering. Therefore, I can deduce that God's Good includes the reduction of suffering.

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98c6b3 No.10618 [Open thread]

https://novusordowatch.org/2019/07/francis-gives-relics-st-peter-to-orthodox/

Ecumenist globalist lapdog Bergoglio is at it again. The best that can be said is that he didn't kiss any feet this time or any Korans

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f0ec4c No.10620

You sound as though you think relics are a good thing, and not pagan idolatry

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98c6b3 No.10621

>>10620

It has more to do with showing Catholics how far their "infallible church" has fallen. If their eyes can be opened then they can turn fully to Christ Jesus and stop vainly hoping that the works of wicked men can save them.

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3728ee No.9125 [Open thread][Last50 Posts]

inb4 someone denies the following:

>while restricting themselves to those converted (or lured through missionary dating) to christianity or feminism or whatever religion they may have, women, who by being picky set the terms of coupling in modern society are in command of sex/marriage, select assortively, on but beauty, money, charisma.

if you deny it, fuck off, ignorant trash. the science is in, be a nigger in another thread.

if a deity has any power, why no power over cunts? they care not one bit about their religion, when it comes to their truest moment, the only important one universal.

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38a4d7 No.10238

>>10207

rude bitch. well, i will give you, in particular, nothing in the way of supporting evidence, but the data is ironclad.

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38a4d7 No.10239

it’s this way: 50% of christian men are Incel In Christ.

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8843dd No.10444

idk if i should bump. maybe nobody else recognizes this is the central issue facing christianity today.

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6aec75 No.10448

File: 057e70c0c94647c⋯.jpg (283.69 KB,600x1602,100:267,Catholic Deacons.jpg)

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8843dd No.10461

>>10448

not to mention refusing to support the ancient boundary stone (border walls).

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ec8532 No.10273 [Open thread]

Whats the most esoteric passages of the old testament ? Besides Jacob getting hip tossed by a angel

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95e142 No.10287

All of the OT is equally absent of esotericism, in the spiritual sense of esotericism meaning the text requires some kind of private enlightenment to understand

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caf8a0 No.10450

>>10273

>And Enoch was well-pleasing to God, and was not found, because God translated him.

<Genesis 5:24 (LXX)

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