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87a91c No.10257 [Open thread]

Any animal that has a split hoof and chews the cud is deemed "clean"; the pig does have a split hoof but it does not chew the cud so it is "unclean".

I find this wise because any animal that is so primitive a part of its digestive process is regurgitating the food it eats and swallowing it again must be so unintelligent that it doesn't care about being locked in a cage for its entire life.

A pig has about as intelligent as a dog so when you eat pork you might as well be funding an industry that locks dogs in cages for their entire lives.

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26d312 No.12832

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>>10264

>Levitical law has been fulfilled, it is no longer relevant.

post at least 3 verses that overturn GOD's eternal Commandments:

>17 “Do not think that I came to do away with or undo the Law [of Moses] or the [writings of the] Prophets; I did not come to destroy but to fulfill. 18 For I assure you and most solemnly say to you, until heaven and earth pass away, not the smallest letter or stroke [of the pen] will pass from the Law until all things are accomplished. 19 So whoever breaks one of the least [important] of these commandments, and teaches others to do the same, will be called least [important] in the kingdom of heaven; but whoever practices and teaches them, he will be called great in the kingdom of heaven.

>20 “For I say to you that unless your righteousness (uprightness, moral essence) is more than that of the scribes and Pharisees, you will never enter the kingdom of heaven.

\\\\

Also, Jesus cast out demons into pigs. Would you eat those? What about bat soup?

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987e9f No.12833

Ever read Acts 15? The reason animals with hooves are clean is because the hooves suspend them over the ground God cursed in Genesis 3, and they're split hoofed because the Israelites are supposed to walk straight, not to the left/right. (The significance of that is what Christ says, broad is the way to destruction, narrow is the way to life.)

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a26cc7 No.12837

I disagree that pork shouldn't be eaten, but I definitely cut it down.

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8412fa No.12873

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>>10257

James B. Jordan

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4025e7 No.12880

>>10257

have to agree with others here that this represents lost wisdom of the bible

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a3f99c No.11858 [Open thread]

Brain wash, give me a reason to believe

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4e5b35 No.11871

>>11858

The resurrection of Christ.

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1e84db No.12065

>>11858

>Brain wash, give me a reason to believe

If the care and intentionality of the universe around you isn't sufficient reason for you to realize that this place and everything in it was designed with compassion and purpose, then I'm afraid nothing that anyone says is going to change your mind.

Ephesians 2:8

>For by grace you have been saved through faith; and that not of yourselves, it is the gift of God;

Persisting faith is a supernatural gift. If you want it, ask the gift giver for it. He's the only one that can give it to you. It's his choice.

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3d1f78 No.12859

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526b8b No.12861

Invidious embed. Click thumbnail to play.

The testimony of others.

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82d00b No.12879

Last year, my local church gave us specific reasoning for believing in the Resurrection, citing how Jesus's death on the cross can be proved by science: https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jama/article-abstract/403315

Also, there are historical accounts of Jesus's resurrection outside of the Bible; here's an account by Phlegon of Tralles from the 2nd century AD: “Jesus, while alive, was of no assistance to himself, but that he arose after death, and exhibited the marks of his punishment, and showed how his hands had been pierced by nails” (Origen Against Celsus, Book 2, Chapter 59: http://www.earlychristianwritings.com/text/origen162.html ).

Also, there's nothing to lose from accepting Jesus, and everything to gain. By believing, you give yourself the opportunity for a peaceful life after death. Is there anything specific from stopping you from believing?

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ae40ca No.12722 [Open thread]

I am relatively new to Christianity, being raised in a secular home through my childhood and having no faith into my adult life outside of vapid consumerism. I have recently come across Torah-Observant Christianity and it seems to resonate very much with me; I feel called by it.

>inb4 Judaism & /pol/tier screeching

This is nothing like Judaism.

To clarify, I follow the Law to the best of my ability out of love and obedience to the Most High. I do not believe that any works nor observance of the teachings are done as a requirement of salvation, but rather faith alone in the Grace of our Savior Yeshua the Messiah is the only way to be saved. Also, I have nor want nothing to do with the paganism that the star of David/Remphan represents (gentile usurpers).

Can we get a discussion going on this? What are your thoughts on the Law? My eyes and ears are receptive to what you have to say, and I would love to hear from my Christian brothers and sisters of all backgrounds. Thank you, and God be with you always.

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8cba02 No.12824

>>12782

I don't know what you're talking about, but I guess you might be referring to a trip?

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0527a6 No.12857

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OP here; thank you to everyone so far for their contributions, opinions, and other input.

>>12764

I do have a few questions, most of which are quite "novice" and I'm sure they could be answered by a quick Google search. However, I'd rather hear the answer from the community here than there.

>reminder that I'm quite new to the faith and have much left to read

1.) Is the reason keepers of the Torah maintain certain laws but not others based on whether or not the perpetuity of the law is specifically noted? For example, regarding "Yom Kippur" in Judaism, Leviticus 16:29-34 specifically states in verse 34 that this atonement is to be an "everlasting statute":

>34 And this shall be an everlasting statute unto you, to make an atonement for the children of Israel for all their sins once a year. And he did as the Lord commanded Moses.

Are certain laws, like dietary laws, {implied} as perpetual/everlasting despite not being specifically noted thereof? How am I to know the things the glorious sacrifice of Yeshua changed, and what has not changed?

Hopefully this doesn't come off as too foolish of a question or some kind of concern-trolling.

2.) What is the best Holy Bible version for Torah-observant Christians? I have read that the Tree of Life Version is one of the best, but I do like KJV despite its outdated English vernacular and the occasional poor translation. It also (a) leads me to my Strong's Concordance often (thus better understanding), and (b) has stood the test of time quite well.

3.) Some Torah-observant Christians will state that there are simply laws that cannot be followed because they "don't fit our current culture" or are otherwise "impossible" to keep in the modern day. To some degree this feels like mental gymnastics and cherry-picking. I'm not speaking of fat/blood or other animal sacrifice, as the answer to why that isn't practiced is quite clear. How is this reconciled?

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ead048 No.12870

>>12722

Christians do observe the Torah

It's the Jews who practice so-called Judaism who don't.

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f8851f No.12871

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>>12857

>What is the best Holy Bible version for Torah-observant Christians?

Assuming the MT is beyond you, I mostly use the NRSV in my commandment-keeping. I also own the NJPS, and I keep the KJV around for the memes, but I generally find the NRSV to be actionable without assistance.

Here's an example of a rare exception for me with the NRSV: in Leviticus 19.30 and 26:2, "reverence" is used as an imperative verb; I find that confusing.

- KJV: Ye shall keep my sabbaths, and reverence my sanctuary: I am the Lord.

- NRSV: You shall keep my sabbaths and reverence my sanctuary: I am the Lord.

- NJPS: You shall keep My sabbaths and venerate My sanctuary: I am the LORD (19:30). You shall keep My sabbaths and venerate My sanctuary, Mine, the LORD’s (26:2)

I'm sure the NJPS won't fit your needs, however. I'm told that the NASB is generally pretty good despite it sharing this particular problem. The NIV uses "have reverence."

>Some Torah-observant Christians will state that there are simply laws that cannot be followed because they "don't fit our current culture" or are otherwise "impossible" to keep in the modern day. To some degree this feels like mental gymnastics and cherry-picking. I'm not speaking of fat/blood or other animal sacrifice, as the answer to why that isn't practiced is quite clear. How is this reconciled?

I'm interesting in hearing this take as well, though I don't know if we'll see it on this dead board.

>>12870

See attached.

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7c7fd2 No.12875

Jews call it Torah. Christians call it Pentateuch, or Old Testament. We share the same body of scripture if you weren't aware and both religions have differences based on how they interpret this body of sacred text.

Regarding your question, you make the mistake a lot of people do by interpreting the Pentateuch 1)In by itself 2) by yourself. This is a wrong method of interpretation. The Gospels are first and foremost works of theologic commentary expounding on the Pentateuch aswell as the larger body of Old Israelite scripture. As such, the Pentateuch must be read and understood strictly through the definitions and understandings already present in the Gospels. Just as >>12769 pointed out, customs prescribed such as circumcision, temple sacrifice, levitical orders, passover, festival of first fruits, etc, have been replaced in Christ Jesus with Baptism, universal royal priesthood, sunday breaking of His body, Easter Ressurection, pentecost and so on and so forth . Also the verses in Matthew 5: 21, 27-30 only prove of the supersession of the laws of old. They are not forgotten or abolished, but are given a new meaning with the existence of Christ in our lives

Unless you cannot find verses in the Gospel that touch upon dietary laws of old, there really is no reason for you to lapse into Judaism.

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2f0ee7 No.6580 [Open thread]

If I recall correctly Martin Luther was accused of facilitating a type of Christianity that will allow everyone to be as greedy as possible and completely disregard their fellow human being in their quest to gain as much wealth as possible. During Luther's time what we now know as capitalism was on the rise when the catholic church's power was waning and we saw less serfs serving landlords and more mercantilism and mobility.

Did Luther call out capitalism for the evil that it is? Not coveting is one of the 10 commandments and Paul says in Colossians 3:5 that greed is idolatry.

I'm asking you all because whenever I search "Martin Luther and Capitalism" I just get a bunch of articles on Martin Luther King Jr. allegedly being a communist.

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1eff8e No.6591

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>>6580

>capitalism for the evil that it is

Shoo shoo commie

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e0767e No.6609

>>6580

Are you honestly trying to insinuate that they werent capitalists at that time period? Do ypu even know, rightly, what capitalism is?

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2f0ee7 No.6619

>>6591

I thought you Nazis believe Jews are both capitalists and communists.

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ce5692 No.6623

>>6619

The ndsap rose to power as a reaction to the jewish communist revolt in Germany in the interwar period.

Today, Jews hold undue influence in the crony capitalist scheme of western governments like the US. It isn't philosophically consistent (free market) capitalism because it involves so much state intervention in the favor of certain groups. This is communism lite, socialism.

Jews are to communism as sicilians are to the mafia. This is a basic fact of history.

I'm not even a nazi sympathizer.

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000000 No.12865

>>6580

>If I recall correctly Martin Luther was accused of facilitating a type of Christianity that will allow everyone to be as greedy as possible and completely disregard their fellow human being in their quest to gain as much wealth as possible.

Not at all, quite the opposite.

>Did Luther call out capitalism for the evil that it is?

Yes. He wrote extensively on this.

http://www.lutherdansk.dk/Martin%20Luther%20-%20On%20trading%20and%20usury%201524/ON%20TRADING%20AND%20USURY%20-%20backup%20020306.htm

And here is another quote by Luther about usury:

The heathen were able, by the light of reason, to conclude that a usurer is a double-dyed thief and murderer. We Christians, however, hold them in such honour, that we fairly worship them for the sake of their money….

Whoever eats up, robs, and steals the nourishment of another, that man commits as great a murder (so far as in him lies) as he who starves a man or utterly undoes him. Such does a usurer, and sits the while safe on his stool, when he ought rather to be hanging on the gallows, and be eaten by as many ravens as he has stolen guilders, if only there were so much flesh on him, that so many ravens could stick their beaks in and share it.

Meanwhile, we hang the small thieves…. Little thieves are put in the stocks, great thieves go flaunting in gold and silk…. Therefore is there, on this earth, no greater enemy of man (after the devil) than a gripe-money, and usurer, for he wants to be God over all men.

Turks, soldiers, and tyrants are also bad men, yet must they let the people live, and Confess that they are bad, and enemies, and do, nay, must, now and then show pity to some.

But a usurer and money-gluttoPost too long. Click here to view the full text.

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74e14d No.12766 [Open thread]

what's the age of sexual consent according to the Bible?

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c7d8ea No.12795

>>12766

That statue is of St. Jude (Judas Thaddeus), not Jesus.

Also, age of consent is puberty, but we are still subject to the laws of the governments under which we reside.

>But if any man think that he behaveth himself uncomely toward his virgin, if she pass the flower of her age, and need so require, let him do what he will, he sinneth not: let them marry. (1 Cor 7:36)

>Let every soul be subject unto the higher powers. For there is no power but of God: the powers that be are ordained of God. Whosoever therefore resisteth the power, resisteth the ordinance of God: and they that resist shall receive to themselves damnation. (Romans 13:1-2)

The legal age set by your country is the proper age of consent unless it is below the age of a girl's pubescence. And if you happen to reside in a country where the age of consent is low, consider that sexual immorality is still immoral. Regardless of age, fornication, adultery, sodomy, lust, etc. is still condemn-able. You ought to be a guardian and provider for your bride, willing to sacrifice your livelihood and well-being for her.

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97e05e No.12802

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>>12795

You're abusing Romans 13 by dropping its context.

https://radicallychristian.com/romans-13-re-examined-obey-the-government

>>12766

Age of Consent is not a biblical concept; it's a pseudoethic invented by fornicators.

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22b88d No.12805

we should better ask why 8chan acts like they belong to the pedo community

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928632 No.12849

>>12802

Nothing in that article contradicts what I just said. You can't be a subject and a peacemaker by violating the laws of the governing authority on a whim.

And, yes, age of consent is a Biblical concept as I showed above. The Biblical "age of consent" (read: marriageable age) was puberty.

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33e088 No.10844 [Open thread]

Is it a sin? Prove me wrong and don't use scripture that applies to living beings. Hentai is erotica.

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97dab9 No.12050

At The Same Time, theoretically, it should be possible to become so innocent, by the Spirit, that you can behold nudity and not lust. However, if you were to ever reach this point, it's /incredibly/ doubtful that you'd find yourself sitting around observing nude pictures for entertainment.

So, this brings us back to the question, is it okay to look at images of fake nudity? Here I believe I'd find the difference between "looking at" and "seeing." If you're walking down the street and someone flashes hentai in your face, I don't think you've suddenly been forced to sin. Rather, you've "seen" fake nudity, and have chosen to move on from it. This is different from "looking at," where you do not move on, but rather, with intention, take in the image. I'm quite confident it's that "taking in" that is inappropriate before God.

Now, going back to Matthew 5, and taking /that/ all the way back to Exodus 20, seeing as my friend above pointed out its origins in the 7th commandment, you can't just take /part/ of the Law, you gotta take it as a whole. The Mosaic Law, given by God, dictates that either you're committing adultery /or/ you marry the person that you have sex with (or, technically, you get stoned, but let's avoid that one for the sake of this discussion). So, if you want to read the Law into what Jesus is saying in Matthew 5, rather than understand that Jesus is drawing from it to ordain a greater commandment, then we should learn from Matthew 5 that married people cannot lust after people, and unmarried people should get married to the first person that they inwardly lust after. Personally, I find it agrees with the totality of Scripture far better to understand that Jesus was explaining a greater commandment, rather than attempt to read Jesus' words through the lens of Mt. Sinai.

Where does this leave us? Can you marry the image of fake nudity? No. Therein, it does quite seem that you are flat out in sin for desiring after it in a sexual manner.

For your brain, there's no difference between the fake image and a real image, even barely a difference between an image and a person, so neurologically you actually have bigger problems (it's flat out the same thing), but I've been trying to stayPost too long. Click here to view the full text.

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c5673b No.12053

Yes.

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796552 No.12352

>>11614

>Already we have condemned virtually all the erotic material made by the Japanese.

Monogamy is pretty common in hentai, but rare in Jewish porn. There's more story development in hentai and more emotional development. Most hentai is probably vanilla, but Westerners generally aren't interested in vanilla and always look for the most offensive things they can find. And then blame anyone other than themselves.

>It doesn't denigrate or muddy what should be glorious. You are searching for an extremely rare jewel in a sea of waste that includes futanari and s—ing d–k ni–les.

No, what's actually happening is that you're going out of your way to look for futanari and scat.

>Even if it shames sexually immorality, it doesn't subtly revel in it or use admonishment or shame to display it. Emergence (don't look it up) about the abused and whorish Japanese school girl who kills herself with drugs is an example.

Emergence is a normalfag meme. It's not even made by a Japanese artist, and it shows.

>All this out of the thousands upon thousands of sewage particles spewed from a regrettably lost humanist nation.

If Japan is lost then what does that say about the West (which, need I remind you, is comprised of Christian nations)? Move out of your glass house before you start hurling rocks at others.

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49afeb No.12358

File: 4ee961c092c8302⋯.gif (577.23 KB,500x498,250:249,fail state.gif)

> don't use scripture that applies to living beings.

that's an impossible constraint, since the users of erotica are living beings

i only mention this because i'd hate to see anyone else give the OP a serious response

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29c514 No.12845

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>>11607

Lust is desiring something that isn't yours

>>11613

I know about Solomon's graven images. They didn't worship them though. That's the point

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43bfc4 No.10422 [Open thread]

post christ chans

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a890a1 No.12784

File: 01d2d76d61cd2a3⋯.mp4 (6.46 MB,284x626,142:313,2833a2b7f54d1f031bd98c1d3f….mp4)

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a890a1 No.12785

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8d72a6 No.12834

>>12784

Source for music from first one?

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e12316 No.12839

>>12834

Lissy Trullie - Madeleine (Jewellers Remix)

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8d72a6 No.12842

>>12839

Thank you!

>>12784

Also, does original poster or anyone else here know where this video came from, the context of the nurses or artist/editor behind it? Song and image strangely mesh well, but also makes me curious more than ever of the origin of this.

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File: 09c749b0cb16a69⋯.jpg (50.84 KB,400x249,400:249,060856_pentecostal_church_….jpg)

68d47d No.12598 [Open thread]

Who are the Pentecostals exactly?

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dec64c No.12607

The Apostolic Pentecostal movement is completely seperate from the charasmatic movement.

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2618b9 No.12621

Invidious embed. Click thumbnail to play.

See attached.

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fdaf19 No.12623

Invidious embed. Click thumbnail to play.

This too.

Arguably, neither Popoff nor Jones are fit to represent Pentecostalism, but both of their ministries originated within it.

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fdaf19 No.12746

File: ea5d1b33cdb1e4e⋯.jpg (101.25 KB,800x535,160:107,stampede aftermath.JPG)

https://www.thetelegram.com/news/world/at-least-20-killed-in-stampede-at-tanzania-church-service-405813/

>Tanzania has seen a rise in the number of "prosperity gospel" pastors in recent years, who promise to lift people out of poverty and perform what they call miracle cures.

>Thousands of people in the nation of 55 million flock to Pentecostal churches, whose main source of income is "tithe", the 10% or so of income that worshippers are asked to contribute.

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36a523 No.12828

Pentecostals are people who can't interpret prophecy very well, and thus don't realize that tongues, prophecy, and healings through ministers ceased to occur early on… Definitely by the time of the destruction of Jerusalem and the temple. Why? Because the gifts were a prophetic sign to the Jews that God's favor had left their nation and moved on to the gentiles, and the gifts were supposed to provoke a remnant of Jews to jealousy so that they would follow after the Messiah. I'm not sure what clearer message God could have sent than the Romans. The miraculous gifts would have served their purpose by that time.

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File: a727d167615cf9f⋯.jpg (115.43 KB,1000x685,200:137,miracles-jesus-healing-bli….jpg)

2165fc No.12345 [Open thread]

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4c0edd No.12763

>>12478

He probably wouldn't listen to the prays of an imaginary earth atheist

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fb58ed No.12786

>>12478

>superhero

What is it with anti-Christians and only being able to understand things through pop culture references? >>12478

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b44712 No.12788

>>12786

You theists will just never understand. You Christians are just like Kylo Ren while we atheists are like Rey.

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fb58ed No.12811

>>12788

Atheists are Mary Sues?

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df22cc No.12825

File: 79ec218d142c57e⋯.jpg (674.16 KB,1780x2490,178:249,VictoryOLord.jpg)

>>12345

here's a timestamp backup of the video that got removed by kiketube:

https://youtu.be/HgGdgF07nwo?list=TLPQMDgwMjIwMjAmHDiQBMB4Cg&t=1247

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File: 40af25564f65105⋯.jpg (79.59 KB,993x1200,331:400,dinah7.jpg)

f97668 No.12771 [Open thread]

I hate dark background . what are you try to do BO ? are you secret satan worshiper ?

GOD IS LIGHT NOT THE DARKNESS!!

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962d8f No.12800

File: c42fcd807c32641⋯.jpg (257.64 KB,600x321,200:107,rabbit119.jpg)

>>12799

https://bible.knowing-Jesus.com/topics/God-Is-Light

it's clearly you are secret satan worship begone

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71165d No.12809

>>12799

We're all going back to >>>/christian/ now

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7919a4 No.12812

>>12771

it was to reduce eye strain.

photons make a good metaphor for good, but they do not literally have morality

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a69e0a No.12813

File: bde4b7054efdc46⋯.gif (4.97 MB,350x208,175:104,DinahXCANNON.gif)

Thanks for let the light return to this board

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6a9744 No.12819

>>12800

>The monkey sodomite can't understand metaphorical language

Your retardation transcends boards

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File: e40eb3e8274bfb7⋯.jpg (15.79 KB,299x168,299:168,index.jpg)

1a6c12 No.11765 [Open thread]

Brothers and Sisters, it is a universally-accepted truth in the religious world that many of the signs of the end times have been achieved, and we are all eagerly awaiting for the coming of the Lord. Yet for all the time we've spent looking up at the clouds waiting for Christ to return in the open, we've seen nary a trace of the Lord Jesus, all the while the Churches on Earth fall into desolation. Every day, pastors walk about preaching human opinions and imaginations like the Trinity, and the religious world looks more and more like the religious Babylon of Revelation.

One day, Sister Wei fellowshipped with me that the Lord had already come, and that He is Almighty God, who has come in the flesh to carry out the work of judging, chastising, and purifying man. Incredulous, I asked "how could it be that the Lord has come? Isn't the Lord going to return in the sky for everyone to see? (Matthew 24:30)"

The manner of the Lord's return

Sister Jia fellowshipped, "while it is true that there will be a visible coming, the Bible also prophesies a hidden coming. Here, let us read some verses:"

'''For as the lightning, that lighteneth out of the one part under heaven, shineth unto the other part under heaven; so shall also the Son of man be in his day.

But first must he suffer many things, and be rejected of this generation.''' (Luke 17:24-25)

Behold, I come as a thief. Blessed is he that watches, and keeps his garments, lest he walk naked, and they see his shame. (Revelation 16:15)

The Bible says that when the Lord comes, we will hear the Gospel of the Lord's return preached to us by others. "And at midnight there was a cry made, Behold, the bridegroom cometh; go ye out to meet him."(Matthew 25:4) At that time, we must be like the wise virgins in the passage, ready to welcome the Lord's coming, or else he will tell us "Verily I say unto you, I know you not." (Matthew 25:12) Those who reject the second coming of the Lord will not partake in the salvation that He brings with Himself for His second coming. (Hebrews 9:28)

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d7cad1 No.11823

>>11806

This.

Plus there is an amazing amount of end times cults that people chase after. Still find them today

https://jimbakkershow.com/ Has of whole line of end times food he's happy to sell you

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b145cb No.12770

>>11806

Jesus said in the Bible that we must welcome the coming of the Lord like the wise virgins. If we avoid seeking out the return of the Lord just because we're scared of false Christs, we will fail like the foolish virgins in the parable. We need to accept Almighty God's judgment and chastisement.

There is a whole list of people in China who have died or gotten sick because they were punished by Almighty God for rejecting his incarnation in the last days and spurning his words.

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bbe420 No.12779

File: a1353725c2920e8⋯.png (886.94 KB,500x714,250:357,ClipboardImage.png)

>>11765

>For as the lightning, that lighteneth out of the one part under heaven, shineth unto the other part under heaven

Why do these weird cults always quote from the KJV? How would you respond if I started quoting things to you in Mandarin from the late Ming Dynasty? That's the equivalent to what you're doing.

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bc6270 No.12806

>>12779

KJV is public domain so you aren't jewed your money

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e4086f No.12808

>>12779

The KJV is early modern english

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File: 3f672eece3220fc⋯.jpg (175.42 KB,1280x720,16:9,iu[1].jpg)

3f83d6 No.12730 [Open thread]

But as it is written, Eye hath not seen, nor ear heard, neither have entered into the heart of man, the things which God hath prepared for them that love him.

Certainly Heaven is beyond human conception and imagination… but supposing it weren't, what do you hope Heaven is like? Consider for a moment what you actually want an eternity of humble adoration and praise of God to be, and post it here.

My hope for Heaven is that I can be a spectator of all time. It is truly my great desire to observe every moment of Creation from start to finish, from the microscopic to macroscopic. I want to see every chronological event laid out before me and comprehend it. To understand every natural law, causality, mathematical principle, and why it was designed that way.

Further, and more importantly, I want to witness the full life of every person ever conceived. I desperately want to see and experience vicariously every life experience to come to understand and love every human being, ever. I want to see into their circumstances and see into their minds and motivations and learn how every person's actions influenced every other person. I want to watch the whole life of my loved ones so I can love them more and also my enemies so I can forgive them better. I want to watch my own life from a divine perspective so that I can evaluate myself and, in a sense, relive my life with the wisdom to recognize my mistakes. I want to be present at the moment of every person's death so that I can welcome them into the beatific vision and tell them "don't be afraid, it's all right now," and let them know that they were not alone…

… I know two people who died without another living soul nearby. They died trying to reach out for help and I thought about how sad and terrifying it must have been. I wished with all my heart that I could comfort them in their dying moments. God isn't bounded by time and I hope He grants my request.

I also regret that I cannot explore the depth of human creativity in my life time. If I dedicated every moment of my life to reading every story, watching every movie, and listening to everPost too long. Click here to view the full text.

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3f83d6 No.12768

>>12745

>Paradise

>Mount Zion

>New Jerusalem

Take your pick. But you knew that.

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5095ff No.12777

>>12730

my grandfather would be there

we would sit on the porch for the rest of eternity conversing with one another, playing chekcers, drinking orange crush and having BBQ parties

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c5e155 No.12778

File: 064f5c30cb04abc⋯.jpg (88.54 KB,700x693,100:99,god bless.jpg)

>>12730

God made the world good, so the world will be restored to that state after we're physically resurrected and have eternal life like we did in Eden.

Naturally nobody knows exactly how things would work in a world like that, but it follows we would be able to continue following creative pursuits and exploration using the faculties and free will God has granted us.

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502599 No.12792

>>12778

OP here. I concur with this, but I also think/hope that a part of having our transfigured bodies and communion with God would allow me to do all of the other stuff mentioned in the OP, as well. I would much better get along on New Earth if I had first-hand intimate knowledge of all occupants.

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765754 No.12804

File: 9ed2c704dfc6026⋯.jpg (63.32 KB,800x1067,800:1067,David_Pearce.jpg)

>>12730

My ideal heaven would be David Pearce's utopia. It would be something along the lines of a DMT trip that lasts forever that also has the constant pleasure of heroin.

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047f6f No.6205 [Open thread]

What is Christian meditation and what role does it play in the Christian life? Is mindfulness meditation inherently incompatible with Christian thought and teaching? I have some half-baked takes of my own but I'd like to hear your thoughts first.

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dea99e No.12671

File: 52d2f02186aba0c⋯.png (147.15 KB,745x814,745:814,christ-chan.png)

>When thou prayest, enter into thy closet, and when thou hast shut thy door, pray to thy Father which is in secret – Matt. vi

>Pray without ceasing – I Thess. v

Hesychasm, lectio divina, and quietism are practices resembling meditation, but they would more accurately be called contemplative prayer.

There's a tenuous analogy that can be drawn between the journey to Canaan and entering into God's rest, as described in Hebrews, and the path of enlightenment towards samadhi in Buddhism or satori in Zen, but rather than nothingness or thusness Christ is always the center.

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2f103d No.12685

Christian meditation, like meditation on the mysteries when praying the rosary, fights against demons and drives them back/out. Eastern meditation invites them.

A Christian is expected to meditate, but specifically on Christ, his passion and his life. You can meditate on God. There are higher orders of contemplative prayer as practiced by Saint Teresa of Avila, but that is beyond the general question (and me right now).

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351f0f No.12750

>>6205

I'd be weary of borrowing practices or methods from other traditions but instead find analogous ways in your own.

For example Japa yoga in hinduism would be analogous to the Jesus prayer or rosary in Christianity

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6a4d18 No.12765

There is a universal truth, but when you get stuff outside of the Bible you get a lot of the world's lies thrown in. To be honest, just pay attention to heaven and the finished work on the cross instead of think about, say, nothing like the Buddhist and Hindus do. This ultimately stops you from worrying about the present while at the same time not using methods heathens use to worship devils.

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255687 No.12776

File: 5fe775303ca45e5⋯.jpg (166.57 KB,495x801,55:89,teresa avila.jpg)

>>12685

I'm reading her book, what a powerhouse.

>>6205

Get 'The ways of mental prayer' book. A Monk gathered all the knowledge given by the saints on the topic, and made a manual about how to ascend in your levels of meditation/prayer.

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ad4310 No.12658 [Open thread]

Our guy Matt made another video where he simulates this board in real life

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6108dc No.12761

Bump

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9ab4c7 No.12775

if it was simulating the board they'd be fist fighting.

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a917d1 No.11518 [Open thread]

If paradise was never a thing, would faith in God still be possible? I think no one would bother with religion, if eternal life wasn't promised. And deep inside, I'm not sure I would be christian if there was no life after death.

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a917d1 No.12701

>>11574

>Plenty of religious philosophies were and are believed without the promise of paradise.

can anyone expend on that?

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8afe67 No.12727

Your question is basically:

>If God wasn't omni-benevolent, could you still believe in Him?

Maybe we wouldn't love Him as much as we do, but provided He still provided us with divine revelation, we would still believe in Him if we loved truth.

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bcfa44 No.12737

>>11518

>If paradise was never a thing, would faith in God still be possible?

Yes, the situation the old testament era saints were in, going to a special place in hell as described in 1 peter 3:19-20 and Luke 16:22-26 Note how in Luke it is never stated the description of hell/prison is a parable or proverb until after Jesus' death on the cross due to a longer Bible study I can give if you care, still meant they could have faith because of the prerequisite to faith defined in romans 10:16-17

>But they have not all obeyed the gospel. For Esaias saith, Lord, who hath believed our report?

>So then faith cometh by hearing, and hearing by the word of God.

The word of God is a prerequisite to faith, without it there is no faith as defined by the Bible as you won't hear and can't bear fruit. One of those fruits of the Spirit in galatians 5:22 being faith.

>I'm not sure I would be christian if there was no life after death.

Think of it this way, physical death is not true death, it is reversable see Jesus and Lazarus for proof. But spiritual death in revelation 20:10,13-14 is irreversable and no one ever gets out of eternal death.

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e61336 No.12757

>>11518

Faith is the act of trust. You drive over a bridge having faith it isn't going to collapse and kill you. You take it for granted.

So no special reward is required to have faith in something.

Faith in God is a connection to the unknown, a trust that there is something greater that cares directly about you. Religion provides a context for the faith, acting as a crutch for the intellect. But ultimately everything goes to the cross to die, in order for the new to be born.

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bc19d8 No.12767

>>11518

Immortality is niether neccessary nor sufficient for meaning, value, purpose, or significance. God is. A relationship with God is valuable even if I am annihilated at death.

This is kind of a pointless question though, as I don't think God would make beings like ourselves without also giving them the invitation for continued existence with Him.

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