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File: 0a7800e49358f59⋯.png (13.98 KB,432x412,108:103,trinity-graphic.png)

101aea No.7311 [Open thread][Last50 Posts]

There are posters here who have been denying the Trinity in a couple threads, so let's consolidate the discussion to a dedicated thread.

Question: Is God triune?

Basis for argument: What does the Bible teach, and what is philosophically consistent?

Definition of the Trinity, according to classical Christian trinitarians:

<God is three persons

<Each person is divine

<There is one God

Most common non-trinitarian positions:

>God the Father is the only God

>The Father and Jesus are divine, but the spirit is not or is not a person

>The spirit does not exist

>There is no God (atheism, excluded from our debate itt)

If you reject trinitarianism, please justify yourself and be ready for scrutiny.

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daaa7a No.9119

>>7311

did you know the new testament never contains “yahweh” or “elohim”? elohim and yahweh are gods entirely at odds, and from the very start, with Jesus. Jesus condemns to hell yahweh and elohim, and unmistakably, indeed elohim and yahweh have already been slain by Jesus, who tied a millstone around their necks, and cast them into the depths of hell.

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2a8dc0 No.9120

>>9119

Did you know that the old and new testaments are written in different languages?

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daaa7a No.9129

>>9120

Odin is as much yahweh as Abba is.

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92bd88 No.9131

>>9129

>(you)

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daaa7a No.9132

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d3feb2 No.6992 [Open thread]

In classic imageboard culture, we should make a recommended book list. There's one or two floating around, but it's really just a bunch of titles with no structure.

I think it should be a work of systematic theology, persuading the reader to a position.

This is the best structured such infographic I've found, it should be a model.

Where did you start reading in systematic theology?

Did you get a hermeneutics book first?

Did you read a polemic for the conservative Christian position?

Would a chart have to be evangelical Protestant only and a different one Catholic only, or is there enough overlap in sys theology?

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f35dbe No.8509

File: 7a14d4c4d7ff761⋯.jpg (1.01 MB,2560x2739,2560:2739,christian_reading.jpg)

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91bb22 No.8511

>>8509

No direction here, just a bunch of covers.

Also the orthodox study Bible is not a translation

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8d5fee No.8696

>>8511

>Also the orthodox study Bible is not a translation

Yes and no. While the New Testament in it is just a copy and paste of the NKJV with Orthodox footnotes, the Old Testament is a new custom translation of the Septuagint. While the OSB OT's overall style is based on the NKJV's flavor, there are enough significant differences in the OSB's translation of the OT and a standard NKJV to render the OSB's Old Testament effectively a new translation (I.e. compare a Psalm from the OSB's OT to the same one in a normal NKJV OT, and there are differences in translation rendering that go far beyond a slightly different numbering scheme.)

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f7e23b No.9116

I can't be assed to make an image, but here's what I would pick for a basic list of essentials.

>General Christian

Holy Bible

Philip Schaff's Ante Nicene, Nicene, and Post-Nicene Fathers series

The C.S. Lewis Signature Classics

The Last Superstition

Josephus's Jewish Wars

>Catholic

Catechism of the Catholic Church

Summa Theologica

True Devotion to Mary

Denzinger's Enchiridion

The Imitation of Christ

>Orthodox

The Philokalia

The Way of the Pilgrim and the Pilgrim Continues His Way

The Ladder of Divine Ascent

The Triads of Gregory Palamas

The Path to Salvation

>Lutheran

The Book of Concord

On The Bondage of the Will

The Examination of the Council of Trent

Confessio Catholica

The Conservative Reformation

>Calvinist

Institutes of the Christian Religion

Summa totius Christianismi

The Works of Jonathan Edwards

Systematic Theology

Sermons of George Whitefield

Sadly, I don't know enough about Arminianism to come with any books for it, but it deserves it's own section as well.

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722373 No.9126

>>9116

>Summa totius Christianismi

Among even knowledgable Calvinists not many have even heard of this

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5ed007 No.8628 [Open thread]

Presume he's being open minded and wants to know if the five solae are in alignment with the Bible. What do you say?

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6812eb No.8858

>>8742

No, that you most certainly are not.

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91d33e No.8860

>>8858

You deny baptismal regeneration and the real prrsence.

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6812eb No.8861

>>8860

Is schizophrenia fun?

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27818f No.8862

>>8860

Don't you get tired of this

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11469d No.9102

https://bookofconcord.org/info.php

The Book of Concord explains them all very clearly. The problem is Papists are afraid to read it.

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47516e No.8599 [Open thread]

This image would usually always get deleted on /christian/ by the Catholic mod mafia.

The question I have for the few Catholics here is, why did your Catholic "God on earth" clearly venerate a blasphemous book? I know Catholics are mostly atheists, so it probably didn't make any difference to him, but it's still no good reason to do it. Is it because many Catholics are pedophiles and Muslims are pedophiles too?

If you're a Christian you can give your opinion too, not just Catholics.

God bless you.

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e3f6ea No.9071

>>9068

War is done in the interests of the nation.

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ac18ee No.9072

>>9068

Naive

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97a7d3 No.9073

>>9068

Romanism is not Christian

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79994d No.9075

>>9072

Realpolitik is the path straight to hell, as seen with Germany and the West in general.

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97a7d3 No.9077

File: 3f3d41667f166e4⋯.jpg (49 KB,389x600,389:600,patriarch-stalin.jpg)

>>9075

Ok Ivan

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e1a2e4 No.8467 [Open thread][Last50 Posts]

With mass migration on the rise, the middle east falling apart, climate change, huge advancements in technology, and the rise of censorship, do you think we're approaching the end of the world?

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126fe0 No.9044

>>8978

Do the immigrants look like what is described in Revelation?

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97eec5 No.9048

>>8700

1. I am Catholic

2. Most people in the Middle East do not drink camel piss, just like most so called Christians do not actually, really, "turn the other cheek", or whatever else.

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97eec5 No.9049

>>8708

I have been to Iraq. Have you been anywhere near Iraq? Have you ever even met anybody from it? I wonder. But I will not assume anything like you did, wrongly.

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b6393e No.9058

>>9048

>I don't understand "turn the other cheek"

>that means nobody does it.

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36f918 No.9061

>>8673

>>8672

>>8654

>>8493

You guys clearly deserve eachother - i guess God really is Just.

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dfc845 No.9045 [Open thread]

I believe Steven Anderson to be a messenger of God in many ways. He speaks like one of the prophets, no? He is like I'sai'ah or Mal'a'chi! He is like J'ohn the Baptist! J'ohn the Baptist lead the way for Je'sus Christ 2000 years ago. I believe Pastor Steven Anderson might be leading the way for the second coming of Christ. I'm not saying I know the time as our Lord Je'sus himself says, "But of that day and hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels of heaven, but my Father only." (Matthew 24:36, KJV) And I say Amen to Jesus! I do believe though that he will be in some ways a new J'ohn the Baptist. Steven Anderson the Baptist! Amen! Soul winning will be revived! The KJV will become the standard in all Baptist churches! Faggots and homosexuals and dykes and LGBTQiawhateverthehell will be driven away from all that is holy! Women will dress modestly. Contraception will be preached against in all churches! Traditional Baptist hymns will be played. None of that contemporary crap. Rock music is music of The Devil plain and simple. Many folks don't know it but Satan infiltrates churches through Rock music. "Christian Rock" is deceptive. But that is what Satan does he "deceiveth the whole world". Amen. Je'sus may return in 1000 years or 100 years or 5 years or 40,000 years or 2 minutes from now. But I think after this great falling away we have expereinced, in some way, Pastor Anderson the Baptist and J'ohn the Baptist will be remembered as the greatest pastors ever besides our Lord and God and Saviour Je'sus Christ himself. Amen!

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90bf1d No.9055

there's already an anderson thread

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177214 No.8771 [Open thread]

Once and for all: I need an answer

Was Hitler Christian?

There are quotes and arguments of him as pagan, atheist, and Christian. What is the truth?

Did he do or say anything that categorically proves he was NOT Christian?

More specifically, was he saved? Am I going to meet Hitler in eternity?

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3d692f No.8952

>>8949

>Then why are you posting if you don't know anything?

I don't know the answer to that question, because only Hitler knew what he believed. It's called intellectual honesty.

>So a big fat no then?

Our collective interpretation of history is still unfolding, and the creeping consensus is that while what he did was bad, it served to expel a foreign agent that undermined a society. Coincidentally, many in the same demographic claim they adhere to traditional (christian) values.

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575096 No.8958

>>8936

You can't use God as a magical "everything I like is good" crutch. It is completely retarded to suggest that God is on the side of the victor in every war in history. How is self-improvement contrary to Christ's teachings? And why are you quoting heretical kike translations? The word means gentle, not meek. Gentleness does not mean meekness.

>Are you talking about the Messianic Jews?

No, I am talking about all the so-called "Christian" churches in 1920s and 1930s Germany.

>I thought the argument from earlier was toward all modern churches

It is.

>If the later, you must provide proof that the true and healthy Evangelical churches are cucked.

I have to provide proof of some random shit you just made up? I don't think that's how it works.

>It's not about the glory of God or of Christ or of the Gospel

Where's your proof? Everything I can find that is an actual positive christian writing says you are wrong.

>It's entirely about the "volk"

Not entirely. But of course there is huge emphasis on God's people. Just as there is in both the OT and the NT. You might want to read the bible sometime.

>Again, if that was not blasphemous idolatry that perverted the Gospel message and God's Law, then Germany would have at least survived the war if not won it or avoid it altogether.

You are God now? If not, quit telling us what God did and why when you have no way to know.

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e9f2a4 No.8977

>>8800

This. Positive Christianity upheld the belief that Jesus was not Jewish, but the son of a roman soldier.

>Positive Christianity advocates also sought to deny the Semitic origins of Christ and the Bible. Based on such elements, positive Christianity separated itself from Nicene Christianity.

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8f6685 No.8980

>>8977

Any original source for this statement?

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38acb3 No.9002

>>8980

Up your butt and around the corner

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a272f8 No.8818 [Open thread]

I have watched just about everything Jordan Peterson has put out, and while I think he does some epistemological sleights of hand, I wouldn't mind learning about morality from christians in person. But why does this God thing have to divide us?

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a272f8 No.8946

File: e2188d7388d2b35⋯.jpg (84.12 KB,804x804,1:1,Shrugs.jpg)

>>8944

Yes.

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022f46 No.8947

>>8946

Relativism is the stance that morality is subjective. Two separate stances are simultaneously true.

This is formally illogical, it breaks the law of non contradiction.

Objectivism is the stance that there are an objective set of moral truths.

Nihilism is the stance that there are no moral truths.

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a272f8 No.8948

>>8947

I consider some morality to be subjective. This allows for denominations to develop. For reference; I am from an area of the world where there's a lot of protestant sects.

>>8830

Was kind of answered here. My understanding is that Objectivism favours rational individualism, which I am comfortable with. However, I'd prefer the operative unit to be the family, not the individual. Otherwise it seems ok.

I grew up with Nihilism, and I think it's unfulfilling, even destructive. I prefer a constructive approach to life.

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022f46 No.8950

>>8948

>I consider some morality to be subjective. This allows for denominations to develop.

No, that's not how it works. Moral relativism is not a necessary condition for denominationalism, it's even opposed to the doctrines of the Reformation. Churches schism because two sides in a debate each believe their view is right at the exclusion of the other.

>Was kind of answered here. My understanding is that Objectivism favours rational individualism, which I am comfortable with. However, I'd prefer the operative unit to be the family, not the individual. Otherwise it seems ok.

Whichever system is arguably preferable for society has no effect on it's truthfulness

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a272f8 No.8951

>>8950

>No, that's not how it works. Moral relativism is not a necessary condition for denominationalism, it's even opposed to the doctrines of the Reformation. Churches schism because two sides in a debate each believe their view is right at the exclusion of the other.

Much like our disagreement on the details of the supreme authority otherwise known as God.

>Whichever system is arguably preferable for society has no effect on it's truthfulness

I am more concerned with its effectiveness. If I have to tell a (white) lie to my kids in order for them to behave, then I lose credibility and authority, when my lie does not stand up to scrutiny.

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cc14d5 No.8851 [Open thread]

Deuteronomy 6:4: “Hear, O Israel: The LORD our God, the LORD is one.” 

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6baea0 No.8857

Did you mean to reply to a thread?

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04542c No.8041 [Open thread][Last50 Posts]

Deuteronomy 6:4 says "Hear, O Israel: The LORD our God, the LORD is One." It doesn't say he is three in one it says he is one; Jesus says in Mark 12:29 "This is the most important: 'Hear O Israel, the Lord our God, the Lord is One." Jesus doesn't say he is God he says God is one and he never says he is a part of it.

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e49170 No.8777

>>8052

>Jesus was just one of the greatest prophets and teachers of all time

The main thing He taught people was that He is the son of God. When people questioned his authority to teach other things when he was young, He told them His authority came from His Father.

You cannot believe that Jesus was a great teacher if you believe his fundamental message was wrong. That's like saying someone is a good driver despite having car crashes daily. It is not logical.

I get the feeling Muslims try to argue this line because they're afraid of offending to the point where we completely refuse them audience. You don't believe that Jesus is the son of God, so the only logical option is that he's a nutter or a liar.

But calling him a liar or a nutcase would be coming on too strong, wouldn't it?

We are not going to instantly shut you out because you challenge the validity of Jesus' claims. We welcome the discussion. What DOES piss us off is using illogical reasoning, because it shows you are not interested in the truth and are wasting our time.

We must know the truth, whatever the cost and however painful it may be to accept.

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fac26c No.8792

>>8041

Father = God the creator

Son = the word

Holy Spirit = the truth

your breath and the words you speak arent separate from you. they are 1.

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fac26c No.8793

>>8777

W I T N E S S E D

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54910c No.8842

>>8762

You have no understanding of it. All you've done is criticize others with no offerning of your own.

You don't even know! You thought He was one until now. Now you think he's two! >>8049

It's like you never even heard of the Trinity!

You think you know something but you can't articulate it. You don't know, then, fool!

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fcbf25 No.8852

>>8842

>You have no understanding of it

Of course not. Your random insane babbling is completely nonsensical. Nobody can understand it.

>You thought He was one until now.

What are you talking about? I've always known God is the duality of Father and Son. I am the one that started all this insane trinitarian shit flinging by pointing out that the bible clearly establishes God as two.

>It's like you never even heard of the Trinity!

Of course I have heard of it. That's why I have been telling you heretics that it is wrong.

>You think you know something but you can't articulate it.

What are you babbling about?

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3e1a19 No.8689 [Open thread]

It's nothing more than a handwave to justify war. Almost everyone who invokes it just thinks that the mere mention of the concept suffices as a hand wave to excuse mass killing between states.

Libertarians are the only people who get this one right, because the libertarian anti-war position is the only one that's consistent with the Bible.

Change my mind.

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242dff No.8768

"Just war" is Neocon/neoliberal phrase.

No more countering needed.

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45fe39 No.8776

>>8768

aquinas predates neocon and neoliberalism by a couple centuries

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36f3fe No.8820

>>8766

>Yes to both

Then why don't you take it up with God?

>The state does not have supreme power over it's subjects

Romans 13:1-7

>God has delegated us the right and even obligation to make moral judgments to include on the waging of war

God has appointed the rulers of the nations as His ministers to dispense His justice. Their decisions will be judged by Him, their sole superior. When you do not defer to their wisdom in the declaration of war, you steal from God the right to judge His minions. You are sinning, you are rebelling against God's order, stop it.

>It seems to me that Poland should have been sovereign from the start

Germany did not invade Russia over Poland.

>Suppose there are no other nation states in this world

This would be to suppose a scenario that has never occurred and will almost certainly never occur. This makes the thought experiment extremely difficult to speculate about, and absolutely pointless.

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3e1a19 No.8822

>>8820

In your view of Romans 13:1-7 the state can do whatever it wants to the citizenry with full moral righteousness?

I don't see that at all, I see a system ordained by God that is still under God's moral absolutes, and still a system ordained by God not rulers particularly placed by God. I have been given God's word myself and been told by Him to make judgments, especially if I have a role in the state system.

The King breaks down your door and rapes your daughter. What is your response? To object at all is a violation of your view. Do you thank him for his service to God and to you, by raping your daughter?

>This would be to suppose a scenario that has never occurred and will almost certainly never occur. This makes the thought experiment extremely difficult to speculate about, and absolutely pointless.

Your view doesn't stand to a basic hypothetical and you're trying to dodge the issue

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36f3fe No.8854

>>8822

>In your view of Romans 13:1-7 the state can do whatever it wants to the citizenry with full moral righteousness?

No. That's a strawman.

>The King breaks down your door and rapes your daughter. What is your response

I slay him.

>To object at all is a violation of your view.

I don't know what I'd do if I didn't have you to tell me what my view is

>Do you thank him for his service to God and to you, by raping your daughter?

Every idle word.

>Your view doesn't stand to a basic hypothetical and you're trying to dodge the issue

No, you're just hopelessly ignorant of basic political science, which is why you're placing so much weight in a scenario that does not even qualify as realistic fiction.

Next time you launch a discussion I recommend you be less emotional and childish.

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133b80 No.8781 [Open thread]

Christ Yeshua was very serious when He spake about demons and dark forces. I observed this piece of footage a few hours ago and it left me baffled. There is no doubt that there are dark forces in this plane of existence. The audio at 1:01 does not sound edited in. This sounds like something straight out of Hell itself. I know that I cannot possibly imagine the sounds from Hell, but this definitely sounds other-worldly without a doubt. From a so-called skin walker. What does /christianity/ think? There seems to always be dark things occurring in wooded areas such as forests and the like. Judge for yourself. But this is definitely intense and worth at least a discussion.

https://youtu.be/m6IW2DoizbE

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164545 No.8782

That sounds like a hog, but the Bible says plainly that there are demons. "Legion" ran around in cemeteries and chains couldn't hold him.

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6e9009 No.8789

>>8782

"Legion" ran around in cemeteries and chains couldn't hold him

Very, very interesting to say the least. It makes you question the power of God. Perhaps He, The Almighty, purposely allows such a thing against the unrighteous. But, which bible verse do you quote when you refer to the "legion"?

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a8c13c No.8791

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2401bc No.8794

I have encountered 2 shadow beings. 1 grabbed me, the 2nd one passed by my bedroom door, but my dog also saw it, and ran after it, so I know it wasn't just a delusion. I became a Christian several years after these experiences.

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6e9009 No.8798

>>8789

I read about the unclean spirits and the pigs jumping into the sea. I am sure there are much more undocumented incidences like this back then. And there are waaaaay much more evidence like this even now. I am more for the Light side the more I discover about this than I am the dark side. Fuck Hell and demons and Thank You Jesus for the sacrifice.

>>8794

I have dabbled with gay porn and have felt beings brush up against me and I felt several instances of something trying to enter into me/ possibly possess me. I sound stupid saying this but it is my own experience. I prayed to God and asked the Holy Spirit to come to my aid and after several moments I felt a SWOOSH. …. like my body was flushed out. I felt several tiny little, what felt like cotton ear swabs bumping into me, trying to enter back into me more likely. I remember the verse about Christ saying that after a demon has been cast out of you that it will invite even more the next time. I think that this is was what happening. I thank God for me being able to confess this. All praises due to Yahweh. Hopefully someone sees this and will apply it to their own experience.

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74ffab No.5474 [Open thread]

>go to church

>notice more blacks, mexicans and asians than whites

>pastor is black

>only a few white families

I cannot be the only one who notice this

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5febed No.5520

White is a color you idiot…

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55a58b No.5546

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It's sad, however God is beyond race.

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e62487 No.8759

where did blacks come from? What are they? They aren't in the bible. They are not descendants of Noah. So are they a hybrid of humann and ape? I really want to know, because Christianity doesn't address this. Its only in the last 100 years that the church has changed its mind and called them human.

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c31521 No.8760

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1617b8 No.8764

>>5491

>>5546

It is forbidden to create mamzers (miscegenation) and it was commanded in the prophetic books that Levite priests weren't allowed to marry outside of their race. But of course, salvation isn't limited to one race.

>>8759

The Curse of Canaan (a continuation of the curse of Cain) is where the Afro-Asiatic negroes and Bantus come from. Flat nosed, black skinned, and cannot farm, fit to serve Shem and Japheth (which is what they did in history, serve the Arabs and Europeans). Other Hamites became the Berbers and northeast Africans.

Beasts of the field I would identify with the Australoids who inhabited India, southeast Asia and of course are the Australian Aborigines, who weren't considered human until recently in Australia.

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06d8d9 No.7324 [Open thread]

Post your Christian Documentaries here

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54b0a4 No.8630

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Must watch for every Christian.

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d3f422 No.8659

Holy fuck, this thread is cringe

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17fbb5 No.8662

>>8659

>holy f***

>not actually contributing anything

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86a4a0 No.8738

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86a4a0 No.8739

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5df630 No.1719 [Open thread]

What's /christianity/'s thoughts on Southern Israelite?

http://southernprotestant.com/

see the about section for his theology

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b12269 No.7062

>>7003

Why?

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921c63 No.7073

>>7030

>muh flat earth

Literal Reddit-tier argumentation.

>>7043

He believes in faith salvation for all races but is an ethnic nationalist and anti-immigration. Essentially like Kinism.

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2a9e54 No.8668

>>7043

Welcome to 8ch, everyone on here is racist.

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282e22 No.8669

>>7043

>can we just stop doing as the Lord commanded

How about no?

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a351a9 No.8671

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>>1719

Like Jay Dyer's evil twin.

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