/christianity/ - Christian Theology & Philosophy

Neither tobacco nor caffeine are intoxicating. There is nothing wrong in that aspect with those substances.

If you're not honoring your body as a temple, especially with tobacco, you sure need to stop.

However, salvation is NOT contingent on works, and the Christian will be fighting with sin constantly his whole life. Your salvation is not in peril because you use these things. You are saved by faith.

>>11669

>Neither tobacco nor caffeine are intoxicating.

In average tobacco takes away 11 years of your life.

https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lancet/article/PIIS0140-6736(12)61720-6/fulltext

>>11663

First, don't get disturbed by anything. Once a saint said "at the disturbance the enemy stays and at the peace – God stays". Don't be disturbed even if you can't break your bad habits right now. Just wait for the moment when you will feel an inspiration in your hearth telling you "now is the time to finally be free of this". And act accordingly with no fear. When you have to do something according to God's will, even if it seems difficult at first, it ends with relief (unlike what the devil suggests us to do, which seems very desirable at first but ends miserably).

And by the way, there are other, even more important things, you'll have to change in your life as a Christian. Just have faith that God loves you and be grateful that in proper time you will be given the option to put off your old man, which belongs to your former manner of life and is corrupt through deceitful desires, and to be renewed in the spirit of your mind, and to put on the new self, created after the likeness of God in true righteousness and holiness. (Ephesians 4:22-24)

>Don't you think it's important for me to stop these activities to get to heaven, Brothers?

Unfortunately, the various Christian denominations have very different opinions about the requirements for our salvation.

It is my understanding that according to the Catholicism, our salvation requires proper balance between good and evil. For example, I think the official Catholic catechism speaks only against excessive use of tobacco but not against the use of tobacco in principPost too long. Click here to view the full text.

>>11672

>https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lancet/article/PIIS0140-6736(12)61720-6/fulltext

https://www.integration.samhsa.gov/pbhci-learning-community/Jha_et_al_-2013-_21st_Century_Hazards_of_Smoking_and_Benefits_of_Cessati....pdf

>>11672

Intoxication means it puts you in an abnormal state like drugs or alcohol

>>11663

https://youtu.be/AS3qrvKanug

Jesus was a man of sorrows

He doesn't need a Nintendo Switch. :)

I will not accept calves from your house

nor young he-goats from your folds,

because all wild animals of the forest are mine,

beasts on the mountains and cattle.

I know all the birds of the air,

and a field’s beauty is with me.

“If I am hungry, I will not tell you,

for the world is mine and its fullness.

Surely, I shall not eat flesh of bulls

or drink blood of he-goats?

Offer to God a sacrifice of praise,

and pay your vows to the Most High.

And call on me in a day of affliction,

and I will deliver you, and you shall glorify me.”

>>11546

I remembered the following beautiful hymn by St. Ephrem the Syrian (4th century).

The Lord is a wise giver. He looks at the benefit of the petitioner, and as soon as he sees that what he asks is harmful, or at least useless to him, he does not fulfil the request and refuses the imaginary benefit. He listens to every prayer, and he whose prayer is not fulfilled receives from the Lord as much a saving gift as he whose prayer is fulfilled.

Whether a needy or a debtor come to the Good One, he will give to the former and he will forgive the latter. Therefore, both depart from the door of the Giver with gifts: the needy receives deliverance from the need, and the debtor – the abandonment of the debt.

In all possible ways God shows that he is a gracious giver: he gives us his love and shows us his mercy. Which is why he does not answer any wrong prayer, the fulfilment of which would bring us death and destruction.

However, even in this case, by denying the requested, he does not leave us without a very useful gift; for the very fact that he removes from us the harmful, he already opens for us the door of his generosity.

Be assured, therefore, that every petition which is not granted is certainly injurious; and that petition which is heard is beneficial. The giver is just and good, and he will not leave your petitions unfulfilled, because In his goodness there is no malice, and in his righteousness there is no envy.

>>11546

That’s not how God works.

You steal a Nintendo switch and ask for forgiveness.

/s

>>11547

Good post

>>6684

>No. The proof is the word kecharitomine.

The evidence that the word should be understood to mean "immaculately conceived" is the connotation, based on the quotations provided in the article:

<However, I still haven't really gotten to my argument: whatever the denotation of "chaire, Kecharitomene," its connotation, what it actually meant to ancient Greek-speakers, is why it is communicating precisely that Mary was immaculately conceived.

You're not addressing the arguments I presented

>>6669

>>6666

>>6672

numbers confirm!

>>6641

No. That's completely wrong. Those statements are only true about Jesus Himself. Mary was just a woman who was blessed by God, but not any more special or holy than any other Christian woman.

>While Jesus was still talking to the crowd, his mother and brothers stood outside, wanting to speak to him. Someone told him, “Your mother and brothers are standing outside, wanting to speak to you.”

>He replied to him, “Who is my mother, and who are my brothers?” Pointing to his disciples, he said, “Here are my mother and my brothers. For whoever does the will of my Father in heaven is my brother and sister and mother.”

Matthew 12:46-50

>>11670

This

He's definitely correct about the Reformation also being a musical reformation, but wrong about implying it ended there. The Reformation sought to reform and alter every aspect of society into a more Christian standard.

>>7889

Orthodoxy already had that

>>7997

Show us

Yes

>>11652

I'm asking if 26th is a Holy Day of Obligation. A day where you have to go to Church or you get a mortal sin on your soul.

>>11653

There's no such thing. That's stupid.

>>11654

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Holy_day_of_obligation

>In the Catholic Church, holy days of obligation (also called holydays, holidays, or days of obligation) are days on which the faithful are expected to attend Mass, and engage in rest from work and recreation, according to the Third Commandment.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mortal_sin

>A mortal sin (Latin: peccatum mortale), in Catholic theology, is a gravely sinful act, which can lead to damnation if a person does not repent of the sin before death. A sin is considered to be "mortal" when its quality is such that it leads to a separation of that person from God's saving grace. The sins against the Holy Ghost and the sins that cry to Heaven for vengeance are considered especially serious.[1] This type of sin should be distinguished from a venial sin that simply leads to a weakening of a person's relationship with God. Despite its gravity, a person can repent of having committed a mortal sin. Such repentance is the primary requisite for forgiveness and absolution.[2]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mortal_sin#Actions_constituting_grave_matter

>Missing Mass

>"[T]he faithful are obliged to participate in the Eucharist on days of obligation, unless excused for a serious reason (for example, illness, the care of infants) or dispensed by their own pastor. Those who deliberately fail in this obligation commit a grave sin."[47]

>"Even if in the earliest times [Mass attendance] was not judged necessary to be prescriptive, the Church has not ceased to confirm this obligation of conscience, which rises from the inner need felt so strongly by the Christians of the first centuries. It was only later, faced with the half-heartedness or negligence of some, that the Church had to make explicit the duty to attend Sunday Mass: more often than not, this was done in the formPost too long. Click here to view the full text.

>>11655

I know Roman catholics say it. It's stupid and wrong.

>>11651

Just follow your heart. It's where The Lord is.

Paul wasn't asexual, he was celibate. I think that's what you meant anyway.

I hope your analysis of your situation is accurate because it would be an awful shame if you never married when you're capable and there are fine Christian women who would marry you. Same for anyone else in your situation.

>If you're an incel, embrace it. God has gifted you!

You should say "unmarried". An incel is one who wants sexual activity (married or not) but can't achieve it for whatever reason. Someone who's in that situation, say for some physical deformity, wasn't gifted by God in his deformity, but you're right that in his unmarriedness he can serve the Lord.

My 2¢

As the previous anon pointed out, "an incel is one who wants sexual activity but can't achieve it". It literally means "involuntary celibate". The term originated in wizard imageboards. The correct term here would be "volcel", meaning "voluntary celibate". It used to describe the wiz-anons who were happy with being wizards.

>>11486

This.

>>11628

MERRY CHRISTMAS ANONS!

Merry Christmas Anons :)

Merry Christmas

Praise Jesus

>>11628

I love you Jesus. Happy birthday.

Merry Christmas! Happy New Year!

>>11479

Recognizing that this is a holy day in remembrance of Jesus Christ, have splendid feast with the family, and presents the day after, again while thanking God for all that we have.

on a minor note, also pray that the other christian board gets some mods. This one to if this one doesn't have them (haven't got the chance to see them in action here yet, but definitely have seen the inaction of mods in the other).

>>11621

I'm here. Merry Christmas!

Anyone else who would like to volunteer for our board can reach me at christchannel@pm.me

>>11622

Merry Christmas to you as well and this is absolutely fantastic and reassuring to hear.

MERRY CHRISTMAS!

>>11622

Merry Christmas BO and thanks for being a based BO and sticking with us through these times!

>>11522

It's ok if you're got a doctors permission. Otherwise you're gotta deal with the situation God has given you.

I don't know of anything in the Bible that could be reasonably construed to prohibit it, though you should be prudent and not rush into it without understanding what its effects will be.

>>11526

>It's ok if you're got a doctors permission.

What is the scriptural basis for this limitation?

>>11567

Is it illegal? Romans 13.

>>11567

>What is the scriptural basis for this limitation?

Not being a prideful sinner that might ruin his body by doing ad-hoc DYI medical treatments without a firm understanding of the present values of your internal chemistry, and if it's even a recommended medical treatment for you, personally?

>>11522

You could get roid rage or have a undiagnosed heart problem like Zyzz and die.

AMEN

Amen brother

>>11350

Only ELCA. ELCA is garbage. Other Lutheran denominations joke that ELCA actually stands for "Everything Luther Cautioned Against." WELS and LCMS are both very good churches. I actually like LCMS a lot. I don't belong to any particular denomination, but if I had to pick one, LCMS would be my first choice.

>>11437

Neither one, what are you referring to?

>>11273

Go talk to the priest and let him handle everything, fren

>>11276

>You should be skeptical of the greek orthodox church. They are rife with corruption, cozy with liberal politicians

By "Greek Orthodox Church" the anon meant 'a place of worship of the true God near the place he lives'. The Body of Christ, on the other hand, is the One Holy, Universal and Apostolic Church, the Orthodox Church. It is neither Greek, nor Hebrew, nor of any other nationality on Earth because There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither slave nor free, there is neither male nor female; for you are all one in Christ Jesus. (Gal. 3:28)

>Martin Luther and evangelical protestantism has the answer you need, because it's the answer from the Bible. Luther was overwhelmed with anguish as a sinner under God's judgment until he found the answer that salvation is by faith, "sola fide".

The Catholics believe in a God who has commanded some rules to determine who will be admitted in the heaven and who won't be. A bad person who follows the rules will go to heavens (for example a bad person who buys his absolution). But if someone has not followed the rules, then he is condemned by God for eternity.

The Protestants believe in God who condemns for eternity a good person who doesn't believe in Christ and admits in the heavens a bad person who says he believes in Christ and salvation by faith only.

Both conceptions are ethically objectionable, but more importantly they both are utopia and impossible. Look at the people around you and see how much suffering is caused by sins. Hatred, depression, strive for vanity, lack of compassion, ignorance, etc. If you place all these people with their passions in the heavens then the heavens will become hell.

The Orthodox do not believe in God who has sent his Son to be killed so that he can be satisfied by the blood of his son and allow sinners in the heavens. We believe in God who has sent his Son to be killed so that we may be healed from our sins. Salvation means healing and restoration of Post too long. Click here to view the full text.

>>11530

>The Protestants believe in God who condemns for eternity a good person who doesn't believe in Christ and admits in the heavens a bad person who says he believes in Christ and salvation by faith only.

There is none righteous, no not one

Nobody is stopping you

>>11594

that's a really eerie stock pic

All Christians are still part of the Catholic Church, which is not to be read as synonymous with the Roman Catholic Church

>>11595

Yep

I believe in one God,

the Father almighty,

maker of heaven and earth,

of all things visible and invisible.

I believe in one Lord Jesus Christ,

the Only Begotten Son of God,

born of the Father before all ages.

God from God, Light from Light,

true God from true God,

begotten, not made, consubstantial with the Father;

through him all things were made.

For us men and for our salvation

he came down from heaven,

and by the Holy Spirit was incarnate of the Virgin Mary,

and became man.

For our sake he was crucified under Pontius Pilate,

he suffered death and was buried,

and rose again on the third day

in accordance with the Scriptures.

He ascended into heaven

and is seated at the right hand of the Father.

He will come again in glory

to judge the living and the dead

and his kingdom will have no end.

I believe in the Holy Spirit, the Lord, the giver of life,

who proceeds from the Father and the Son,.

who with the Father and the Son is adored and glorified,

who has spoken through the prophets.

I believe in one, holy, catholic and apostolic Church.

I confess one Baptism for the forgiveness of sins

and I look forward to the resurrection of the dead

and the life of the world to come.

Amen.

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>>8881

Based taste

>>5538

Based, I'm actually listening to that album right now lol.

I'm wondering if you guys know any Christian old school hardcore?

embed is not herisie but also non-christian btw.

>>5538

https://youtu.be/bepPFNnaviA

Is this christian music?

>>11473

Sadly no. But Middle Class were one of the best and earliest hardcore bands. First super-fast band. But I don't know of s single \Christian band from early hardcore and I followed it pretty closely. Circle Jerks were Jews.

>>2892

lol so why did you bump it

OP why not sticky this?

>>5288

It's outdated, a new meta thread was made, and a static rule page is linked at the top, which is better than a sticky as it doesn't get in the way of the real discussions

i suppose my main question would be, what's this board owner's denominational background

>>11562

Based and non-denominational pill!