94961d No.11493
Why is this bulls— in the Bible? Christians don't follow it. It goes against natural law. Everyone always finds some excuse to not follow it and those who do follow it are always literal soycucks or children. It's just bad advice and every adult has enough life experience to know this. It also directly contradicts other books of the Bible like the OT law and Sirach so why is it even there in the same chapter Jesus says to follow the OT?
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a5cf08 No.11495
>>11493
This has been addressed several times already newfag, if you're to lazy to search through the catalog that's on you
> It goes against natural law
Nice appeal to nature fallacy
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94961d No.11496
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a5cf08 No.11498
>>11496
Still not an excuse for spoonfeeding
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0dd849 No.11500
Every single one of your criticisms is solved by realizing that the pacifist liberal/progressive reading you have in mind is not the biblical meaning
>Contradicts the Bible in Sirach
Not scripture
>Natural law
Let me guess, you're a "Kali yuga" esoteric fascist
News flash: natural law began with the natural theology of Aquinas and other theologians
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802127 No.11516
>>11493
protip: Don't take it so literally. It has a deeper meaning.
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ffaff1 No.11532
>>11493
Turning the other cheek just means to refrain from being vengeful for every little slight people might do to you.
A slap on the cheek is not a life threatening attack, it is not war, it is not genocide, it is not cultural subversion. It is a petty insult. It is perfectly fine to react to the aforementioned acts of violence with violence but petty insults ought to be ignored.
Also there is no such thing as natural law without God.
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3d5b78 No.11551
>>11493
it means you must be able to break the chains of vengeance that create a never ending violence spree.
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deeb6c No.11610
A modern may best understood the "turning of the cheek" by reference to the morality of the ancients:
In Sophocles’ Ajax, after the burial of Achilles, both Ajax and Odysseus lay claim to his Hephaestus-forged armour and a contest of rhetoric is held to determine the strength of their respective claims. Odysseus proves more eloquent and Agamemnon and Menelaus bestow Achilles’ armour upon him. The rhetorical contest here intervenes as the potential conflict becomes apparent; the decision of ownership is left to the sacred intermediaries of divinity, the Achaean kings.
Furious at his loss, Ajax slaughters the sheep of the Greeks; for deceived by Athena, he takes them for Odysseus, Agamemnon and Menelaus. Although sheep are traditional sacrifices for the Greeks, as their massacre occurs outside the structure of ritual, and as the malignancy of Athenian madness dissipates, Ajax recognises his disgrace in the spilling of sacrificial blood, and responds by committing suicide. The suicide of Ajax is thus a resolution to the potential for violence against his family; Teucer protects Eurysaces, the son of Ajax, and Odysseus argues for the burial of Ajax according to the same principle.
The turning of the cheek aims, by a higher logic, at the final resolution of minor conflicts before they spiral out of control, not by responding in turn with violence, but by the conversion of all to the Catholic religion.
As Christ says: "Love your enemies, do good to them that hate you. Bless them that curse you, and pray for them that calumniate you” (Lk. 6:27-28); and as it is written: [we are taught] "not to render evil for evil…but to overcome evil by good" (Rom. 12:17,21).
But to love those who hate, curse or calumniate us does not give them a right to hate, curse or calumniate us, nor a right to immunity for hating, cursing or calumniating us. For hate, evil and calumnies are evil, and evil has no right, nor even a right to immunity.
St. Augustine pleads in a letter to Macedonius, the imperial vicar of Africa, that the death penalty be not applied to heretics, hoping that this clemency would help them to convert - the primary desire of the Church. He writes: "Spare the wicked, thou good man; the better you are, the meeker you ought to be; the higher you are by your power, the more humble you ought to be by piety!"
Yet St. Augustine writes a little further: "Now it is true, as morals go in our days, that men want both to be exempt from penalty for their crimes, and yet to possess that for which they admitted the crime [i.e., to continue in their sins]. These are the worst kind of men…"
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9854af No.11612
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ebe9f5 No.11620
>>11493
Why everybody let OP post image of Jesus in nazi racists uniform ?
this is insult him .
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0c1970 No.11629
No mental gymnastics required:
>An eye for an eye
This commandment of the OT Law was meant for authorities punishing those who do wrong. If somebody does something wrong, they should receive the correct punishment.
The entire Sermon of the Mount rebuked the doctrine of the Pharisees. They applied the Law to its word, not to its spirit. Thus "an eye for an eye" became applied to individual situations, fighting fire with fire, etc. Jesus quotes Lamentations 3 (turn the other cheek) against this and this specifically and literally. Don't fight fire with fire, if somebody slaps you, turn the other cheek. This does not apply to murder or transgressing the Law in other ways however. Give them your cloak is a reference to Exodus 22:26, in-fact Luke 6:30 is also to do with this. It's not about if somebody steals you, you shouldn't demand it back, it's about voluntarily giving a possession to somebody else.
This is all very clear, and literal. Christians are acting just like the Pharisees here when they get the wrong thing out of Jesus's words, and deliberately search for falsehoods to justify it.
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f721e5 No.11713
>>11500
The Apocrypha is scripture.
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1800ac No.11716
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9911e1 No.11719
>>11713
The very word apocrypha means it isn't
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9e279a No.12300
>>11719
"apocrypha" is a man made word.
Jesus and all Apostles had "apocrypha" in their Septuagints
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c76218 No.12303
>>12300
All words are man-made, you meant to say extrabiblical
Yes, the word apocrypha is not in the Bible just like "Trinity"
To say "the apocrypha is scripture" is an oxymoron. The argument is that these books are apocryphal or they aren't.
>Jesus and all Apostles had "apocrypha" in their Septuagints
They sure did. The Vulgate also had apocryphal books, and the King James Bible has also traditionally printed apocryphal books. Their decision to include them does not make them scripture.
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7b3529 No.12332
>>11620
>Why everybody let OP post image of Jesus in nazi racists uniform ?
>
>this is insult him .
Why do you believe every lie that the Jewish media tells you about history? Remember: if you condemn National Socialism, you are logically obligated to also condemn Zionism on the same grounds. Both are racial political doctrines.
>>11493
> Turn the other cheek
Turning the other cheek is an act of defiance.
Matthew 5:39
>But I say to you, do not resist an evil person; but whoever slaps you on your right cheek, turn the other to him also.
If we're having an argument and you strike me on the right cheek and I look straight at you and then turn my head to my right while maintaining eye contact, what am I doing? Think about it. Visualize it in your mind. Am I not challenging you, without striking back? Am I not putting you into a position where either you'll have to strike me a second time, thus making yourself look horrible, or else back off? Think about these things for yourself. There's a lot of bad teachings out there about some pretty basic matters of interpretation.
Let me give you a real world example to demonstrate why this is important, since I'm guessing we're both on the same team politically: Patrick Little. Why when he went to downtown Seattle to talk to people and hold signs did he not strike back at the antifa scumbag that poured a cup of scolding Starcucks on his head? Patrick is a US Marine. He could have easily broken that maggot's spine if he'd wanted to, but he chose not to… Why? Because it would have given the enemy ammo. The same principle applies here.
Later on in Luke 22:36 Jesus tells the disciples to arm themselves. Clearly Jesus did not have a problem with self defense. In fact, I could very easily make the argument that refusing to defend yourself can be sin, depending upon the situation.
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c76218 No.12333
>>12332
> if you condemn National Socialism, you are logically obligated to also condemn Zionism on the same grounds.
That's not an argument you want to make, nobody here supports zionism
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7b3529 No.12335
>>12333
>That's not an argument you want to make, nobody here supports zionism
That greatly confuses me, considering the Southern Baptist flags. Every SB church I've ever visited has been gung-ho on Israel.
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c76218 No.12337
>>12335
Well this is the former 8chan. Everyone here at least tolerates the dissident right.
The SBC culture is very cozy with the republican party, and boomers are in charge. Look up the ERLC if you want to go down a rabbit hole.
Ironically, the church institutions that most criticize Israel are probably going to be trendy liberals right now
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2c0e23 No.12338
>>11620
No it isn't you worthless monkey-gook hybrid.
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e42eea No.12355
>>12332
>Why? Because it would have given the enemy ammo.
He was just a cuck. Leftists exploit weakness and fear strength. What's giving them ammo is whites backing down again and again and again.
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1a386f No.12357
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076e9f No.12464
>It goes against natural law.
That's the point. Civilization is against natural law.
>It also directly contradicts other books of the Bible like the OT law and Sirach
Nope. In fact, it's arguably the most important commandment in the Tanakh. Leviticus 19:17–18:
>You shall not hate in your heart anyone of your kin; you shall reprove your neighbor, or you will incur guilt yourself. You shall not take vengeance or bear a grudge against any of your people, but you shall love your neighbor as yourself: I am the Lord.
And when I say "arguably," It's worth mentioning that two people who made that argument were Hillel the Elder, one of history's greatest rabbis; and Jesus himself, in the three synoptic gospels.
>>12332
<Why everybody let OP post image of Jesus in nazi racists uniform ? this is insult him .
>Why do you believe every lie that the Jewish media tells you about history? Remember: if you condemn National Socialism, you are logically obligated to also condemn Zionism on the same grounds. Both are racial political doctrines.
You didn't answer Analockman's question–not that I think you could. Given that that you cited Jesus' command to not resist evil as evidence of him promoting defiance, I expect your answer to be inconsistent "bulls–."
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