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466d22 No.6066 [Open thread][Last50 Posts]

Which view of christ's death on the cross is the correct one?

Penal Substitution/Satisfaction

Did Jesus die to pay the debt for mankind's sins to God on behalf of all sinners

Ransom

Did Jesus die to free mankind from the hold of the evil one and give himself up as ransom to the devil for our sins

moral influence (the SJW theory)

Did Jesus die to positively influence mankind and change mankind's view of God from harsh to loving

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57506c No.11141

>>11131

Then why does Jesus and paul and james always talk about avoiding sin? If it doesnt even matter, why bother.

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51b370 No.11143

>>11141

If you are indeed so begrudging in obeying God that you would sin unrepentantly if He showed mercy, then you should ask yourself, "have I ever met Christ?"

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57506c No.11147

>>11143

You do realize how scary this idea that we are saved only by faith is right? Imagine, if right before you die, your faith quivers. You second guess. God will have no mercy on you. He will not see that for your whole life since baptism you have tried and tried to be a good christian. Tried to avoid sin, and when you commited it you repented. He will not see that you prayed to him every day. He will not see that you went to his church and recieved his sacraments. He will just go "beep boop, sola fide, you're in hell now" because your faith wasnt at 100% at your time of death.

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51b370 No.11153

>>11147

>You do realize how scary this idea that we are saved only by faith is right?

I realize that divine truth is often very scary to the unregenerate heart.

>Imagine, if right before you die, your faith quivers. You second guess

I'm not relying on my self, I don't have to "do" anything. Christ is the ground of my hope and assurance, He props me up and justifies my name.

>He will not see that for your whole life since baptism you have tried and tried to be a good christian. Tried to avoid sin, and when you commited it you repented. He will not see that you prayed to him every day. He will not see that you went to his church and recieved his sacraments.

He will see all, and He will look at all your trying, and it will not be good enough. Because while you tried, you also failed, yet it is not the hearers of the law who are righteous before God, but the doers of the law who will be justified. You think it's good enough that tried? Does this excuse your bad behavior, does it justify your sin? Cursed be everyone who does not abide by all things written in the Book of the Law, and do them. Are you a righteous man? Have you actually kept the law? Do you pretend to be holy as God is holy? He will see that you have done those things, and He will also see that you withheld when you should have given, you boasted when you should have humbled yourself, you indulged in the flesh when you should have remained pure, you lied when you should have spoken truth, you kept silent when you should have prayed. Every idle word shall be held against you. Have you not missed the mark?

Now I am not more righteous than you, I am probably much worse. I am a chief of sinners, I commit abominations every day. God's standard is absolute perfection, because He is absolutely perfect, and He expects it of every one. Am I perfect? No, but Jesus Christ is, and because I trusted Him and relied on Him, I extended an empty hand while I fell, he has given this righteousness to me. Galatians 3:7-14

<Know then that it is those of faith who are the sons of Abraham. And the Scripture, foreseeing that God would justPost too long. Click here to view the full text.

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57506c No.11177

>>11153

God's mercy and our faith fill the gaps that our works do not fill

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65d5a9 No.10970 [Open thread]

>>>/pol/13562384

There was a shooting in El Paso, as a copycat to the Christchurch shooting.

MSNBC named 8chan on air. >>>/pol/13563262

I just want to talk about the Bible here bros ;_;

Is this place gonna get SHUT IT DOWN 'd?

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9237b8 No.11168

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1e3a78 No.11169

>>11168

Kikeflare

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4f73ce No.11171

>>11160

You /pol/tards really are utter demonic. It's amazing how you guys will wrap yourselves in a veil of Christianity while supporting the most heinous acts imaginable. Are you actually a Christian, or is Christianity just something you claim to believe in in order to gain tradicool points?

>No he didn't.

He absolutely did. Thankfully, some random aut-right faggot doesn't get to determine if the killings are lawful or not.

1) I know that people like you don't even pretend to care about nonwhites, but he did murder a few white people.

2) Hispanics can become legal American citizens.

3) Mexicans who live in Juarez like to go shopping in El Paso because prices tend to be cheaper. El Paso and Juarez are basically the same city.

4) >>11167 Hispanics have been living there since before it was even a state.

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f3e6b9 No.11174

Good knowing you guys.

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3bd2f6 No.11175

>>11174

CloudFlare is not the only game in town.

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e670dd No.11170 [Open thread]

In the event that 8chan is taken down for good, I've established a backup board at endchan.xyz/christianity where we can still gather.

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897298 No.11134 [Open thread]

Is it a sin to visit other churches/denominations that conflict with your church/denomination's doctrine for the purposes of:

-Investigation/Curiosity?

-Politely accepting a friend/family member's invitation?

-Attending a friend/family member's wedding/ their child's first communion, etc.?

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0e0fc6 No.11161

>>11159

When did he go to the satanic temple?

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198ee3 No.11162

>>11157

why do you think i'm here retard

(hint: starts with a b and ends with anned)

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adb10f No.11163

>>11162

Excommunicated eh? Tough break

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99364c No.11164

>>11162

Then get with the program and put in more effort. Put forth an argument when you make such an assertion, and do so when it's actually relevant to the thread.

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198ee3 No.11166

>>11164

good idea

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722948 No.9910 [Open thread]

We are in need of volunteers.

A volunteer's role is to review reports and justly enforce the rules, which mostly entails deleting inappropriate images and spam/flood posts.

If you would like to become a volunteer, please post a reply in this thread. Use an older connection of yours so your ID can prove you've posted here for long enough.

After that, send me an email at turner17@pm.me with your post number, desired username, and a password. I will let you know if you are chosen.

I expect to enroll three volunteers. Selections should be finished after a few weeks.

Thanks.

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e96415 No.10953

Calvinist master race reporting in.

As a mod I'd probably end up doing almost nothing unless I happen to be browsing and see someone is spamming or that porn is being posted in which case I'd spoiler it or delete it and give like a 15 minute ban or whatever is suitable to make them stop trying to attack the board from the current IP they're using (I like to keep bans as short as possible). I hate heavy-handedness and believe in trying to reason with people to change their behavior rather than provoking them to further outrage by flexing on them.

I can create stickers for this board and advertise it around as well but I'll only do it if I believe it it's a true free speech board.

Right now I do stickers for >>>/pol/, the hundred handers group, and for >>>/fringe/.

8Stickers@pm.me if you want me as a mod. As said I probably will be a very inactive mod but at least you can count on me not to do stupid shit.

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e96415 No.10958

>>9977

Whether you carry the title "Christian" or not doesn't matter. God chooses his elect whom he saves on his own terms according to his own wisdom and sovereignty. One who loves god and is drawn to him will want to know him and to develop a doctrine but ultimately one will understand that as a man they are fallible and that they must simply love god with all their heart (Mark 12:30) and lean not on their own understanding like the Bible teaches in Proverbs 3:5.

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79cbdf No.10984

>>10953

You should absolutely make stickers, and you can see from the log and rules this is a true free speech board

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985f78 No.11136

>>10953

>and for >>>/fringe/.

With all due respect: if you are a Christian, why are you making stickers to promote fringe?

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15e83b No.11144

Check em

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6ee428 No.11016 [Open thread]

As Christians we can help by sending our thoughts and prayers to the victims of this shooting.

Please help now by posting your thoughts and prayers in this thread

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7a7add No.11041

>>11019

Prayer in the bible is to the Lord, not to dead people.

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ad46fa No.11110

>>11016

>sending our thoughts

Are these Atheist prayers?

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531ad3 No.11129

Prayers for the families, friends and others who knew the victims, as well as first responders and any other bystanders who may have been affected by the event, and need God's infinite mercy and compassion, and comfort; and that they may ultimately be drawn to Him if they are lost, or are drawn to an even closer relationship and stronger faith if they are already in Him.

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43d2c7 No.11133

>>11129

thank you, that helps a lot. Some people just do nothing. Not sure how they live with themselves

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7447dd No.11142

>>11110

i don't know but i do know this guy >>11111 stole your trips

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42d135 No.11088 [Open thread]

How do we stop Rabbi Bergoglio from mocking Our Lord?

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fb1c94 No.11096

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Not my problem

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85ef6d No.10645 [Open thread]

It's important to find one

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e3458c No.10825

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323563 No.10964

>>10774

>>10775

>>10825

The thing is, maybe in our mortal eyes, there is a difference, but in God's eyes there is none, as Matthew 5: 27-28 points out. God judges our hearts and inner motivations, rather than just our actions. When one masturbates, they ultimately are sub-communicating to God that the only thing holding them back from actual fornication with a woman is either fear, incompetence, laziness, or some combination of the aforementioned.

Obviously, you shouldn't just get with an unrepentant promiscuous woman, but we are to be merciful as our Father in Heaven is merciful: Matthew 18:21-35. If you've been lustful in the past, and a woman has sincerely repented from being lustful, and you turn up your nose at her, you're being a hypocrite.

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61eb86 No.10990

>>10964

there!s literally ZERO evidence the god of the new testament considers as EQUIVALENT lust and sex. they’re differentiated. you’re not off the hook for lust, but it’s SIMPLY NOT EQUATED!!! SINS ARE NOT EQUAL, EVER!!! NO SIN IS EVER EQUATED. it’s a list, though we may never know it fully, there are no ties, no equal sins, ever, each is worse than another, better than another, between precisely 2, having no ties. only 2 sins, the worst and the least have less than 2 neighbors, and in their case they have 1, and no ties.

but regarding the sin of lust, it relates to (physically) looking at any female human (gyne). land so, if you desire your own wife you violate that one, which is why you should only have sex with your wife, and only in the dark. if you care what Jesus said. but you boomer dun givva FUUUUUÛCK.

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323563 No.11000

>>10990

>there!s literally ZERO evidence the god of the new testament considers as EQUIVALENT lust and sex.

Read it again:

Matthew 5: 27-28

And thanks be to our Lord Jesus Christ that through him we can be justified and sanctified. No stain of sin, whatsoever, not even so called "minor" sins are allowed into Heaven and God's presence period. It doesn't matter if you're a serial killer, or tell little lies. One sin that is not repented/covered, and that's it. Game Over. Forever. We must be perfect, just as our Father in heaven is perfect; which is literally an impossible task without the sacrifice, mercy and grace of our Lord Jesus Christ.

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9a0f28 No.11014

>>10990

Why are you even here? This is a Christian board. There is no "god of the new testament". There is God. Only one. He did not change.

Neither lust nor sex are sins. Lusting after someone's wife is specifically equated to actually committing adultery. Lust for your own wife isn't a sin, it is good. Read the song of songs.

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de914f No.10574 [Open thread]

It says he loved all people and he had a haram of men who followed him around and they all slept together in inns. He followed the old testament rules which means he could not lay with a man as you lay with a woman but there's a lot of kinky stuff two guys can do that don't fall into that category.

it never says he was not bi ANYWHERE in the bible

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5f37d3 No.10999

>>10991

It never says Jesus didn't love and kiss and touch his disciples in the bible, just the opposite. It never once says Jesus is not bi in the bible.

It's not blasphemy

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57ed6e No.11002

>>10999

In the west we have this concept where nothing is assumed until there is good evidence for it. We dont immediately assume everyone is bisexual

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5f37d3 No.11003

>>11002

>In the west we have this concept where nothing is assumed until there is good evidence for it. We dont immediately assume everyone is bisexual

Nobody assumed anything. A question was asked, then evidence of Jesus loving men, kissing them, and teaching them to fish for and catch other men then bend them to the will of the disciples was presented.

Sometimes when a group of men travel together and kiss each other and fish for other men; homosexuality or bisexuality can be involved

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57ed6e No.11007

>>11003

Are you calling Jesus a sinner?

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5f37d3 No.11012

>>11007

being bisexual is not a sin anon, you should read the bible someday

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5f81bf No.10934 [Open thread]

Francis Bergoglio, a Jesuit, has been admonished, warned several times to distance himself from heresies. However, he obstinately rejects any repentance. He continues to cause extreme offense not only to the believers of the Roman Catholic Church but also to all Christians and unbelievers. By abusing the supreme church authority through heresies, he intensely promotes the self-destruction of the Church, in matters of both faith and morals.

It concerns the following heresies: Francis Bergoglio

1) denied the universally valid moral norms in the exhortation Amoris Laetitia.

2) did not distance himself from heresies of syncretism with paganism which place the redemptive death of Christ on the same level as the sacrifice to pagan gods, de facto demons. He thus destroys true mission.

3) promotes a so-called dynamic approach to the deposit of faith, whereby he makes heresies equal with the apostles’ doctrine.

4) neither identified nor condemned Vatican II heresies promoting syncretism with paganism and declaring Allah to be the same God as Yahweh (LG 16, Nostra Aetate declaration).

5) participates in crimes against humanity of the New World Order (NWO).

6) works towards dechristianization of Europe by intensively promoting Islamization.

7) is silent on the stealing of children by the juvenile justice system.

8. approves and promotes homosexualism and other gender deviations, which is contrary to the teaching of the Scriptures and Tradition.

For these heresies, Francis Bergoglio excluded himself from the Catholic Church. Therefore, the Byzantine Catholic Patriarchate, by authority of the apostolic and prophetic office, in the name of the Triune God the Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit, declares Francis Bergoglio to be excommunicated from the Catholic Church. Unless the person concerned shows repentance at least in the hour of death, he will be eternally condemned.

Every Catholic who is in unity with him in heresy is likewise excommunicated from the Catholic Church.

Therefore, let the priests and bishops no longer mention the name of this excommunicated apostate Francis in the Divine Liturgy.Post too long. Click here to view the full text.

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cef148 No.10939

I thought this would have been earth-shattering news, but turns out this guy is part of an "Independent Catholic" church, so he was already excommunicated by Rome.

Mildly disappointed that this isn't one of their actual patriarchs.

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da7684 No.10948

>>10934

>let the priests and bishops no longer mention the name of this excommunicated apostate Francis in the Divine Liturgy.

What? Roman catholics invoke the name of the pope during your liturgy?

For what purpose?

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5f81bf No.10957

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>>10948

We pray during the Canon of the Mass (which goes back AT LEAST to the 4th century) before the consecration to many Saints in Heaven, and then we pray for our Holy Father. But, it seems like Rabbi Bergoglio and the Novus Ordo NWO religion is not Catholic at all, thus, some choose not to pray for him because he cannot be regarded as a Catholic.

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49b573 No.10628 [Open thread][Last50 Posts]

hello i am interested in possibly becoming a christian but i want to ask how do christians justify opposing racemixing, don't most christians think the bible accepts racemixing? i see and feel the good aspects of christianity to an extent but this concern is holding me back, it seems like maybe only a tiny fraction of white christians care about racial preservation and most feel that the idea of racial preservation through force is a sin

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7300fe No.10898

>>10893

>LOL. Which lived millions of years apart according to those exact same (((scientists))).

<he doesn't understand how genetics works. LOL

Genetic differences aren't measured in terms of time, therefore they cannot directly map to any arbitrarily chosen timeline, retard. Plus, the way DNA actually "mutates" and "evolves", happens much more rapidly than clueless atheist talking heads would have you believe. Any honest geneticist (and especially Christian ones) will openly admit that the entire darwinian framework doesn't describe the reality of how DNA actually works at all. If you think genetic lineages in any way necessitate an acceptance of the stupid evolutionary timeline, that just means you have no idea what it is you're talking about.

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7300fe No.10899

>>10896

>I disagree, I'm sure Israelis also use math, doesn't mean we should stop using math.

Nobody said to not use what they use, otherwise we wouldn't be using much of the same scriptures. The point was about goals and values. If you share their values of rebelling against God's will, your status of a Christian is suspect. And yes, everything having to do with zionism and the modern state of "Israel" is most certainly rebellious in nature.

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48118b No.10903

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>>10899

My point was you don't discredit something that works based on the fact (((they))) use it. Ethno-Nationalism isn't inherently anti-Christian, pretty sure nobody on this site is a Zionist. The issue with Zionism is that it's predicated off an obsolete covenant (Ripping of the temple after Christ's death) which informs their ethnicity, and which they need to invade other nation's in order to have their own nation. But that doesn't mean Nationalism is bad.

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3345a6 No.10912

>>10903

>My point was you don't discredit something that works based on the fact (((they))) use it.

That isn't why it's discredited, but it should be enough reason to make people reevaluate their stances. Not questioning shared (((practices))) enough is why most Christians are still blindly using the corrupted masoretic text in their Bibles.

>The issue with Zionism is that it's predicated off an obsolete covenant

There are far bigger issues with Zionism than that. Not the least of which is the house of (((Judah))) masquerading as the house of Israel.

>But that doesn't mean Nationalism is bad.

Nobody is saying nationalism is bad. The problem here is this modernist "white" idolatry. "White" people didn't even exist as a, loose homogenous identity group until recently, and now it's being used as a basis to mimic rebellious Jewish isolationism. Jews were always independent and closed off, while Christians were always open and collaborative. To just brush off such a drastic arbitrary flip in Christian attitudes, is to turn a blind eye to their (((tricks))).

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228eeb No.10919

>>10896

>Literally every human on earth is as much a descendant of Noah as they are Adam

Human, not beast. And since Noah was perfect in his genealogy, he was indeed in the image of Adam. So yes, all mankind is in the image of Adam and Noah. Negros can not possibly be mankind, as they are not in the image of Adam and Noah.

>I've always been under the impression that separate races came from Babel

I can see how that interpretation could make sense if it weren't for the contradictory evidence that negros are not human. But it could also mean that the white race was spread out, and made into the various white nations with their various white languages. It says the people were scattered and unable to understand each other's languages. It does not say everything with 2 legs and speech was from those people.

>unless I'm misunderstanding the flood as a world-wide event?

I can't say for sure on that debate, but I am trying to find better information on it. The word used is erets, which can indeed mean some limited geographical area of land, it is used in that manner in the bible itself. But it can also mean the entire world I think. I may make a thread to discuss this question in the future when I have done more study.

>Believe me when I tell you I'd love to be on your side with this, but I just don't think the God would tell us to spread the gospel to every living creature knowing full well that other races couldn't be saved

Can fish be saved? If you interpret "to all creation" as "to everything I created", then you need to be spreading the gospel to trees and rocks too. None of those can be saved. Obviously the equally possible interpretation "to all of the world", implying all of man on the planet makes more sense.

>>10898

>Genetic differences aren't measured in terms of time

Nobody said they were. I said the same (((scientists))) who claim to have foPost too long. Click here to view the full text.

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a20eb6 No.22 [Open thread][Last50 Posts]

Every day they ban in the name of the lord.
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8e37eb No.10445

>>10437

It's not really false witness to be holding them to their own standards though. We may disagree with their rules, but they're still the rules over there. It's not like they don't have the final say on whether or not they'll exercise their Logos to stop banning people so frivolously. All that approach is doing, is holding up a mirror to their actions. If they don't recognize the road they're going down, that's on them, but hopefully they'll gain some discernment out of it.

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c290ac No.10708

File: f73ccb6748e01f3⋯.jpg (142.81 KB,664x984,83:123,Screenshot_20190801-235726.jpg)

>>10372

wow, it's literally poe's law in action over there.

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77971d No.10712

>>10325

>>10319

>>10313

>>10317

tbh i was kinda shitposting

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c902d0 No.10722

>>10712

>I was merely pretending to be retarded

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b7a7c3 No.10909

im >>10244 and my appeal was just denied yesterday

tldr

>mentioned ufos = demons based on some authors months ago

>got banned

>new thread on same subject made by someone else

>mentioned i was banned and mentioned those authors again

>permabanned (for a ban evasion that i did not do)

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File: 5fbdeb0787d0e5c⋯.jpg (13.18 KB,200x252,50:63,mary mother of jesus.jpg)

6fbee2 No.10685 [Open thread]

Mary is the mother of Jesus.

Jesus is God incarnate, He is fully God and fully man.

If Jesus is God, then Mary is theotokos, mother of God.

If Jesus is man, then Mary is anthropotokos, mother of a man.

If Jesus is Christ, then Mary is christokos, mother of Christ.

Each of these statements is true and the use of any one does not necessarily mean rejection of one of the others.

They are all extrabiblical terms, meaning that they aren't found in scripture. They were all conceived of by theologians after Christ ascended.

The least ambiguous way to refer to her is "Mary, mother of Jesus".

Thanks for reading.

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cf0c79 No.10866

>>10860

I have read it, it's just very complex. I could use some diagrams

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6fbee2 No.10868

File: c3e0b82630edc8a⋯.png (482.51 KB,1280x720,16:9,chalcedon.png)

>>10866

here's a basic one

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cf0c79 No.10872

>>10868

Well that's not exactly true. It's not half and half. Jesus is fully God and fully man. You really seem to be looking at it like it's some kind of additive formula, which it isn't. It isnt the divine nature + the human nature making the hypostatic union. It is the assumption of the human nature and will into the divine person.

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6fbee2 No.10876

>>10872

you're right, that's an oversimplified mistake of that cartoon

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3179e1 No.10878

File: 6779283cfd4784a⋯.jpg (57.1 KB,700x525,4:3,LanguageOfChalcedon.jpg)

>>10876

Found a good diagram. It makes a lot of sense to me at least

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808073 No.10792 [Open thread]

NICE SPOOKS YOU HAVE HAHAHAHAHA

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45eb98 No.10793

File: 50b45fee93ff28a⋯.jpg (23.74 KB,331x334,331:334,1424914737155.jpg)

well said, fellow Owner

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52799c No.10865

>>10792

>spooks

Only Ghost we have around here is the Holy Ghost

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762dee No.10897

Wasn't this guy pining for some woman that wouldn't commit to him and instead slept around?

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File: 423c9fad09ce662⋯.jpg (61.89 KB,400x304,25:19,ohio-amish-stock-photo.jpg)

a08fa6 No.10857 [Open thread]

I know I'll have to give everything up but I am really considering becoming Amish. Do you think this is a good idea?

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d5d428 No.10859

No, it's not a good idea. They have bad soteriology

https://carm.org/the-amish-and-salvation

You can sequester yourself from negative worldly influences without becoming amish. Move to a small town in north idaho.

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7e044c No.10861

YouTube embed. Click thumbnail to play.

>>10857

This song might help you decide

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