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533572 No.9413 [Open thread]

How do Orthodox defend against Catholic charges that in order for there to be unity in faith there needs to be a central figurehead, like the Pope, to keep the Church united. Everytime I tried making a post or a thread, because I was genuinly curious as to what the Orthodox have to say (since I am considering conversion to Orthodoxy from Southern Baptist), all the Catholics would flood in and shit everything up and call the Orthodox phyletists and schismatics and that apparently something like the situation between Constantinople and Moscow over Ukraine is proof that there needs to be a Pope. So Orthodox, what is your defense against the RCs?

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48fddd No.9885

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>>9879

seething

>You follow KJV-onlyism,

Projection, he hasn't indicated that he is an onlyist, but his argument isn't predicated on that position anyway

>which is -literally- a 20th century movement of fallible men

strawman, onlyism doesn't rest on the authority of it's key figures

>The KJV was compiled at the behest of a known sodomite

revisionist history

>Anglicans who prayed the Rosary

>it included the Deuterocanon as edifying reading

>Erasmus (a Catholic) is behind the TR

Where is the problem? Where is the argument against sola scriptura, or for state churches?

Where is the address of any of the points in the post you're replying to?

The image you shared is the worst non-argument of all, it's just an assertion "me right, u wrong". WHY is magesterium to be trusted? Why is it appropriate to liken a theological system to a stool? That's not an image found in scripture.

<For no man can lay a foundation other than the one which is laid, which is Jesus Christ. (1 Cor. 3:11 NAS)

Is this an untrustworthy foundation because it's singular too?

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2f1306 No.9890

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>>9882

St. Basil of Cesarea,

"For the cleric or monk caught making sexual advances (kissing) or sexually molesting young boys or men. The convicted offender was to be whipped in public, deprived of his tonsure (head shaven), bound in chains and imprisoned for six months, after which he was to be contained in a separate cell and ordered to undergo severe penances and prayer vigils to expedite his sins under the watchful eye of an elder spiritual brother. His diet was that of water and barley bread - the fodder of animals. Outside his cell, while engaged in manual labor and moving about the monastery, the pederast monk was to be always monitored by two fellow monks to insure that he never again had any contact with young men or boys."

St. Pope Pius V,

“That horrible crime, on account of which corrupt and obscene cities were destroyed by fire through divine condemnation, causes us most bitter sorrow and shocks our mind, impelling us to repress such a crime with the greatest possible zeal.”

“Therefore, wishing to pursue with greater rigor than we have exerted since the beginning of our pontificate, we establish that any priest or member of the clergy, either secular or regular, who commits such an execrable crime, by force of the present law be deprived of every clerical privilege, of every post, dignity and ecclesiastical benefit, and having been degraded by an ecclesiastical judge, let him be immediately delivered to the secular authority to be put to death, as mandated by law as the fitting punishment for laymen who have sunk into this abyss.”

St. Peter Damian,

"The evil of homosexual behavior “surpasses the savagery of all other vices, and is to be compared to no other. For this vice is the death of bodies, the destruction of souls, pollutes the flesh, extinguishes the light of the intellect, expels the Holy Spirit from the temple of the human heart, introduces the diabolical inciter of lust, throws into confusion, and removes the truth completely from the deceived mind.”

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2f1306 No.9892

>>9885

>1 Cor 3:11

There are various arguments used against the Catholic understanding of Matthew 16:18, but all are difficult to argue in favor of.

First of all, Jesus had just gathered all His disciples, and He chose to change Peter's name alone, (Abraham also had his name changed, and he was also called called the "rock" (Isaiah 51:1-2)–one argument used against Peter being the foundation of the Church is how 1 Corinthians 3:11 refers to Jesus as the foundation. This is false precisely because the Apostles are also called twelve foundations (Apocalypse 21:14). What this means is that all authority comes from Christ, the Church itself comes from Christ. Well, Peter's authority comes from Christ. He established these things on Peter, so what's setup on Peter is a foundation on Christ, that does not mean He didn't establish an office which would be the rock on which the Church is built. He gives His keys (Apocalypse 3:7, Apocalypse 1:18) to Peter, as it was prophesied in Isaiah 22:22. Jesus is the Good Shepherd, (John 10:14) but He gives that responsibility to Peter also (John 21-15-17), to say that he then points to Peter and calls him "little rock" (Petros is the masculine version of Petra, the reason Petros is used and not Petra (In Aramaic it was "thou art Kephas and upon this Kephas) is to preserve the play on words, not to indicate that Jesus called him little rock) and point to Himself and says "upon this rock" makes no sense, as right after, He gives Him the keys which He possesses (Apocalypse 3:7, Apocalypse 1:18, Apocalypse 9:1, Apocalypse 20:1, prophesied in Isaiah 22:22), and if you pay attention to the wording, it's indicating an office that is established, not something that passes away with Peter. Understanding what the Keys are and Isaiah 22:22 indicate infallibility, and, again, we literally just have to point to early Popes like Leo the Great to see what Papal infallibility/Supremacy is. And you completely ignore the fact that Luke 22 is about which Apostle is the greatest, and Jesus affirm Peter, and He prays for him alone. That's not a mistake. There's a strife among the Apostles as to who is the greatest, Jesus responds by saying His Kingdom is not like that of the Gentiles, describing its structure. He says that Satan has Post too long. Click here to view the full text.

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48fddd No.9899

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>>9890

>>9892

>beep beep

<anti roman post detected

<copy-paste generic arguments initiated

>St. [NAME] of [LOCATION] [NUMERAL], "roman church good, unauthorized interpretation bad'"

>There are various arguments used against the Catholic understanding of Matthew 16:18, but all are difficult to argue in favor of. First of all, Jesus had just gathered all His disciples, and He chose to change Peter's name alone, (Abraham also had his name changed, and he was also called called the "rock" (Isaiah 51:1-2)–one argument used against Peter being the foundation of the Church is how 1 Corinthians 3:11 refers to Jesus as the foundation. This is false precisely because the Apostles are also called twelve foundations (Apocalypse 21:14). What this means is that all authority comes from Christ, the Church itself comes from Christ. Well, Peter's authority comes from Christ. He established these things on Peter, so what's setup on Peter is a foundation on Christ, that does not mean He didn't establish an office which would be the rock on which the Church is built. He gives His keys (Apocalypse 3:7, Apocalypse 1:18) to Peter, as it was prophesied in Isaiah 22:22. Jesus is the Good Shepherd, (John 10:14) but He gives that responsibility to Peter also (John 21-15-17), to say that he then points to Peter and calls him "little rock" (Petros is the masculine version of Petra, the reason Petros is used and not Petra (In Aramaic it was "thou art Kephas and upon this Kephas) is to preserve the play on words, not to indicate that Jesus called him little rock) and point to Himself and says "upon this rock" makes no sense, as right after, He gives Him the keys which He possesses (Apocalypse 3:7, Apocalypse 1:18, Apocalypse 9:1, Apocalypse 20:1, prophesied in Isaiah 22:22), and if you pay attention to the wording, it's indicating an office that is established, not something that passes away with Peter. Understanding what the Keys are and Isaiah 22:22 indicate infallibility, and, again, we literally just have to point to earPost too long. Click here to view the full text.

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aa1635 No.10004

>>9890

>St. Basil of Cesarea (322-379AD)

Looks likes pedos have infiltrated the church for a long time. To bad they are not dealt with as swiftly in certain denominations

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3be804 No.9966 [Open thread]

I sincerely apologize for the blogpost; I meant to post this in the relationship general on /christian/ but I was preemptively banned for nothing of course. My deepest apologies for starting a thread just for myself, let this be our relationship general then.

I am facing an existential problem; I used to be severely autistic and lame, unable to hold a conversation with anyone, totally fried with estrogen and insecurity and totally fucked up. as I grew older I remedied this greatly, through a series of events, relationships, and realisations that helped me come out of my shell. I've been doing fine since, but every now and again I find myself in such an awkward situation I begin to fear my whole life, if I may be hyperbolic. I find myself now, without immediate close friends, only people whom I have to act as someone else to, and never hang out with. My parents don't even believe I have any friends, which is such an existential insult to the male heir of their bloodline… a young man who is to become a man; with every skill and competency and piece of experience that comes with that. I am not a monk; I will need that growth. But this feels like maturation purgatory; what I mean is, this is intolerable.

I've also largely stagnated in this matter the past two years and I am seriously wondering if it is too late for me to grow into a likeable, good, not pathologically wrecked person carrying a ton of mental baggage around all the time. I, dare i say, know my purpose in life already, God have mercy on me, and it is absolutely essential I'm not for the matter. I've never felt dread like this, and I don't know whether to submit wholly and just be a physically vacant soul just adrift on God's will or try my hardest and just keep trying to grow, even with the mass of shame and indignity which constitutes my immediate and greater past.

I'm lying, I already know I'll devote my life to the latter, but it seems such a desperate and sad bid; for when I do devote my life to this thing that comes naturally to everyone, what else could I possibly devote it to, what else could I even do. I realise this is a very tiring and vague post, but has anyone had any similar experiences.

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3bcf84 No.9973

>>9966

Get on my level, I've been friendless for 5 years now, but it's what brought me back to God in the first place.

The best thing you can do, besides being a Christian, is manning up and not taking yourself too seriously. A man doesn't care if he's alone, cold, hot, hungry, thirsty; that is essential manliness, robustness of character and purpose regardless of circumstance. So get over yourself.

And lift.

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3bcf84 No.9974

>>9973

I want to add, I think a man should have good and deep friendships with other men. I for one lived in a foreign country for the past 5 years, and everyone here is both a liberal degenerate and racially different than me. This is why I couldn't make friends, but I'm going back to my own country so I will in the future.

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35740b No.9986

>>9966

>fried with estrogen

Are you meaning this symbolically or were you taking hrt?

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051982 No.9158 [Open thread]

As a man, I am completely disenfranchized in modern society. Is there a way to revive the traditional family values? I can't figure out a way for me to convince a woman this is the way to go, when I can't really believe it's possible myself anymore.

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051982 No.9161

>>9160

More likely this:

>>>/b2/res/501449.html

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f1741a No.9177

>>9158

There are no women at your church?

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051982 No.9180

>>9177

The only ones I ever met through church functions were incoherent schizos, who are mired in repulsive neurotic insecurities. Whatever moral system remains to be taught by these churches, has been long since buried in nonsense. But the sane ones are working in their rational self-interest, which is to enslave potential high earners with the child support system, by having their kid and dumping them for the guy they really want. Fidelity is nowhere to be found in the current social climate.

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b08d82 No.9916

>>9158

Women adopt the beliefs of their men. Be a good man, and your wife will become a good woman. Just don't have tv and internet so she can't be tricked into appeasing a fake community instead of her actual community.

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b16903 No.9956

>>9158

“You must not marry and have sons or daughters in this place.” For this is what the Lord says about the sons and daughters born in this land and about the women who are their mothers and the men who are their fathers: “They will die of deadly diseases. They will not be mourned or buried but will be like dung lying on the ground. They will perish by sword and famine, and their dead bodies will become food for the birds and the wild animals.” (Jeremiah 16:2-4)

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582582 No.8883 [Open thread]

What is the difference between judaism and christianity?

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582582 No.9063

>>9040

I see. Schizos claiming they're God aren't exactly treated that well today either. I mean, aside from Kanye, of course. Hope he's doing better now.

>>9041

Now we're getting somewhere. This stuff is rampant where I'm from. In fact, I left the country because shit got out of hand.

>>9042

Aand there's >>>/pol/ again. It's not my position. I'm just reporting how the system works.

How is christian law supposed to stack up, compared to the anal rulecuckery described?

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295e4c No.9436

bump

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bc5385 No.9439

Jesus

This one factor drastically differentiates everything on fundamental level between the two faiths, be it Theological or Anthropological

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1db6df No.9444

>>8893

Well said. Thessalonians also says they're the enemies of all mankind and I believe in the book of John it says they're of their father the devil.

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409d6a No.9915

>>9063

>It's not my position

Yes it is. You are saying black and white thinking is by definition wrong. That is both idiotic, and hypocritical as it is itself black and white thinking.

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adfa7a No.9850 [Open thread]

What did he mean by this?

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369792 No.9866

File: b6efa850dd2ae52⋯.png (522.57 KB,600x600,1:1,E76C2360-B219-4CE7-B13A-F4….png)

It means herr Luther was based and redpilled

It's a joke

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72ae4d No.9825 [Open thread]

Honestly, I agree with Luther that Hebrews, James, Jude, and Revelation are not scripture. They shouldn't be included in the New Testament, or at the very least placed in a separate apocryphal section as the deuterocanonicals are. Say what you want but my conviction as a Lutheran is firm in this matter. Salvation is by faith alone. This is what Jesus says, this is what Paul says, this is what John says, this is what Peter says. The above writings are doctrinally erroneous and fail to preach the same Gospel of Jesus and Paul and John and Peter. They were disputed in the early Church and apostolic authorship for them hasn't even been thoroughly demonstrated.

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f2b10d No.9826

>>9825

Honestly, you're going to hell. Repent.

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7d967f No.9830

>Honestly, I agree with Luther

I agree with Jesus Christ.

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02b165 No.9835

>>9825

babies are cute :) God's little gifts from above am i right

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e329ae No.9860

>>9825

>he above writings are doctrinally erroneous

No they are not.

>fail to preach the same Gospel of Jesus and Paul and John and Peter

No they do not.

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8a1314 No.10005

>>9825

So how are things over at the hugbox that is /christian/ ?

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0279a3 No.5237 [Open thread][Last50 Posts]

Guys let's try our hardest to overtake /christian/ as the #1 Christian board on this site. Let's set some goals here.

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3d5a03 No.9789

I had a hard time finding this board because it was so far up the list. Good job guys, keep it up.

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1b4044 No.9791

/christian/ is terrible you can't have actual discussions there all you can do is ask catholic based questions and tell people to pray the rosary, it's really insane that it's busier than here

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e12f16 No.9836

>>9791

>and tell people to pray the rosary, it's really insane that it's busier than here

lol, fucking this

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065165 No.9838

>>9836

no bad words

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5da73f No.9859

>>9838

There's no such thing as a bad word.

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ed2c6f No.9839 [Open thread]

For the heretics call upon the scriptures by vainly twisting its words and creating their own meanings, and they even cite the prophet Moses who said,

"Thou shalt not make thee any graven image, or any likeness of any thing that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the waters beneath the earth:"

(Deut 5:8)

But what did that holy prophet Daniel write?

"I beheld till the thrones were cast down, and the Ancient of days did sit, whose garment was white as snow, and the hair of his head like the pure wool: his throne was like the fiery flame, and his wheels as burning fire. A fiery stream issued and came forth from before him: thousand thousands ministered unto him, and ten thousand times ten thousand stood before him: the judgment was set, and the books were opened." (Dan 7:9-10)

And who would admit that the Ancient of days is another than the Father himself? For both the Ancient of days and the Son of Man are spoken about here, God the Father and God the Son. Thus an icon of God is conjured up in our minds, and it was surely the intention of the prophet to do so, for why would he have described the Deity if he had not intended for an icon of him to become present in our minds? Even in the Old Testament there is a depiction.

(It must be noted that Icons may be generated in our minds by other means,

"He shall cover thee with his feathers, and under his wings shalt thou trust: his truth shall be thy shield and buckler." (Pslm 91:4)

Indeed, the Psalms, and the Old Testament in its entirety, often speaks about God anthropomorphically. Yet it must be admitted here that the intentions of the psalmist and of the other authors are metaphorical rather than mystical in nature, like that of Daniel, and must only be considered a drop in the bucket of this defense, and this is known by their lack of true description. Now the Icons these generate in our mind are unintentional are have been spoken of so we might better identify with God as men or to stir up our love fPost too long. Click here to view the full text.

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ed2c6f No.9841

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(…Continued)

And do the scriptures contradict themselves when they tell us the prophets such as Abraham our father, Moses the law giver, Ezekiel, or Daniel saw God, yet they also say no man has seen God at anytime until he was fully revealed in the flesh? Heavens no! For we know the scriptures must not always be taken so literally, as they themselves admit as demonstrated above. Yet the scriptures also clarify themselves when they say,

"And he said, 'Thou canst not see my face: for there shall no man see me, and live. And the Lord said, Behold, there is a place by me, and thou shalt stand upon a rock: And it shall come to pass, while my glory passeth by, that I will put thee in a clift of the rock, and will cover thee with my hand while I pass by: And I will take away mine hand, and thou shalt see my back parts: but my face shall not be seen.'" (Exod 33:20-23)

What is meant here is the substance. For when it says Moses spoke to God face to face it means only insofar as God was revealed to him through the divine energies and not in substance.

If God then was willing to give an icon to Daniel in the Old Testament, and show the angels to Isaiah and Ezekiel also, how much more has he given us an Icon of himself in the unity of the hypostatic union? The very substance that is God dwelling on Earth, born from a virgin, dying on a cross, and conquering death forever.

Why was is that God gave these laws? "And the LORD said unto Moses, I have seen this people, and, behold, it is a stiffnecked people:" (Exod 32:9) Being prone to idolatry and worship of the heavenly hosts, God gave them these commandments. For this reason he chose them because he himself says, "They that are whole have no need of the physician, but they that are sick: I came not to call the righteous, but sinners to repentance." (Mark 2:17) The Hebrews, and those of Judah especially, were the most spiritually ill of all the sons of men. God would not have picked Abraham if he had not foreseen the wickedness of his many descendants.

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517aa7 No.9842

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>>9841

>>9839

>Orthodox

>The biggest iconoclast calls others heretics for being iconoclasts.

Oh the irony. Also tl;dr

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5213f9 No.9816 [Open thread]

>Catholics ACTUALLY believe this

from "Christian Theology", Millard Erickson

<1237. Until recently, Roman Catholic theologians adhered to the fourth-century threefold formula regarding Mary’s virginity: ante partum, in partu, et post partum (“before, in, and after the birth”). See Raymond E. Brown, The Birth of the Messiah (Garden City, NY: Doubleday, 1977), 517–18. The “brothers and sisters” of Jesus have been explained either as children of Joseph by an earlier marriage or as Jesus’s cousins. See J. Blizzer, Die Brüder und Schwestern Jesu (Stuttgart: Katholisches Bibelwerk, 1967).

papists explain lol

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5213f9 No.9823

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>>9822

>muddying the waters this hard

shoo

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91102e No.9824

Ezekiel 44:1-3 is on her perpetual virginity.

"Who is this gate (Ezekiel 44:1-4), if not Mary? Is it not closed because she is a virgin? Mary is the gate through which Christ entered this world, when He was brought forth in the virginal birth and the manner of His birth did not break the seals of virginity.” – Saint Ambrose of Milan (390AD)

“It is written (Ezekiel 44, 2): ‘This gate shall be shut, it shall not be opened, and no man shall pass through it. Because the Lord the God of Israel hath entered in by it…’ What means this closed gate in the house of the Lord, except that Mary is to be ever inviolate? What does it mean that ‘no man shall pass through it,’ save that Joseph shall not know her? And what is this – ‘The Lord alone enters in and goeth out by it,’ except that the Holy Ghost shall impregnate her, and that the Lord of Angels shall be born of her? And what means this – ‘It shall be shut for evermore,’ but that Mary is a Virgin before His birth, a Virgin in His birth, and a Virgin after His birth.” – Saint Augustine (430AD)

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de6c2a No.9832

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>>9822

>killed as a sacrifice so your ghost won't be tormented forever when you die

kids, this is what happens when you get your "christian theology" from bumper stickers and novelty t-shirts.

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251123 No.9834

>>9832

factually correct tho

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fa9f09 No.9837

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>>9834

nope

https://christianhistoryinstitute.org/study/module/athanasius/

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760135 No.8717 [Open thread]

Do you thin Satan can interject thoughts into the minds of saved Christians?

This pastor uses the example of the story of Ananias and Sapphira in Acts 5 to indicate that Satan can put in bad thoughts into saved Christians.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7mnOau5oO7c

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o_gb3rsEpsY

Are Intrusive thoughts a major problem among saved Christians?

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760135 No.9140

>>9139

Can you provide verses from the Bible that support your statement?

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88ce18 No.9141

>>9140

"Even the chosen ones will be fooled." If Judas was one of the apostles, one of the chosen ones, then how could he fall like that? As long as you are in Earth you are able to fall in sin.

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8789cf No.9372

>>9141

Specific verse, please.

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11bce9 No.9465

>>9139

1 John 5:13:

>These things have I written unto you that believe on the name of the Son of God; that ye may know that ye have eternal life, and that ye may believe on the name of the Son of God.

What does this mean if not what it plainly says, that you can know you have eternal life?

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34ba51 No.9829

>>9465

Based

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66fc53 No.9771 [Open thread]

Who is the Father? I know who is the Son (Jesus) and the Holy Spirit, well, who is the Father?

They are all God, but WHO IS THE FATHER?

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15ce96 No.9787

>>9786

>bro trust me god want's us to kill goats to atone for our sins

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7cbf3b No.9788

>>9787

Did I say that?

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8e8f65 No.9798

The paschal sacrifice is but a type of the Lamb of God. The entire OT is a foreshadowing of the new, and greater Covenant. Look into the messianic prophesies in Isaiah and Daniel (Daniel 9 in particular is pretty amazing–it states that after the current empire (at the time it was Alexandria) there will come another empire (Rome) in which the Messiah will be revealed. No secular scholar would date Isaiah or Daniel to after the time of Christ (take a look at the Dead Sea Scrolls).

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50dbb8 No.9814

YouTube embed. Click thumbnail to play.

>>9784

>demand

I can only assume that your main gripe with "sandniggers" is that you're jealous of their literacy, because you seem to have a hard time comprehending anything that's been written so far.

also, what's a fedora doing getting butthurt about animal sacrifice anyway, if you don't have anything to justify your instinct for morality?

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67467c No.9815

>>9814

>I can only assume that your main gripe with "sandniggers" is that you're jealous of their literacy,

no that's not the main gripe really

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99d6b6 No.9575 [Open thread]

So, /christianity/ is to /christian/ what /ggrevolt/ was to /gghq/? It seems like this board is just a place for disgruntled anons who were banned from the bigger board to moan and complain about that board and plot some autistic revenge. Am I wrong or is there an actual identity here that isn’t dripping with victimhood?

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b51d21 No.9729

>>9613

What's wrong with that? If people want to have a frank and open discussion about beasts pretending to be humans and mocking our Lord how does that hurt you? If you think they are wrong, just explain why.

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e66076 No.9731

>>9589

under what circumstances is posting hagia sophia in a church thread considered bad faith trolling?

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b80437 No.9733

>>9729

>>9626

Why even have a christian board then? You can get the same result by going to/staying on /pol/.

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b51d21 No.9753

>>9733

Because /pol/ is full of kike shills who hate Christ and His word. Any attempt at discussing Christianity is flooded with "muh kike worshipping" shills that pretend Jesus was a yid and that modern anti-Christ "churches" are Christian.

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cdf827 No.9811

>>9589

One of those screenshots are mine. It was a light joke, but it seems that mod's feefees are very fragile it seems.

Also, if you call a guy posting hagia Sophia troll and a spammer, you should have your mental capacity reexamined.

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2ec9fa No.8384 [Open thread]

The exorcism of Annelise Michael.

I've read the transcript to see whether the "demons" had any knowledge that was either publicly unknown or unusual for a girl her age, but no, she or "they" even got Hitler's suicide wrong - claiming he died by fire, while all eyewitnesses unanimously agree that he took cyanide and then shot himself, and that his body was only burned afterwards. So clearly a girl who got her history facts mixed up, and not some entity from hell, or even the "demon Hitler" himself.

http://www.dominicanidaho.org/analisemichelle.html

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59833c No.9691

>>9690

that video talks about the dubiousness of that court decision. That's not to say she was actually possessed, but the details of whatever actually happened to her don't line up with the official story. Why that's the case however, is anyone's guess.

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fa3e45 No.9695

>>9684

I don't know if her possession was real, but the idea that the virgin Mary would ask someone to be possessed by demons as penance for sin seems wrong to me

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ed50ef No.9724

For diabolic free discussion go to >>>/christian/

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0c0741 No.9734

>>9695

Here is a prime example for why the Catholics should be well-advised to test the spirits and not be so quick to believe every spirit that appears and claims to be Mary. I think it's entirely possible that there have been exactly 0 genuine Marian apparitions in all history. When you start reading accounts about the apparitions a pattern emerges, and it's not a good pattern.

In Anneliese's case, the "Mary" is clearly against the basic fundamental Christian doctrine, yet many people have failed to see the issue. I find this very concerning.

>>9724

I've seen a thread on this very same subject on /christian/ and and it was allowed to remain and accumulate posts. It's dangerous to say anything that could be interpreted as hating on Mary on that board though.

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015e3a No.9781

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>>9695

Well, here's one possible explanation:

http://orthodoxinfo.com/inquirers/marian_apparitions.aspx

>>9734

this anon gets it

>>9724

>mods that ban pictures of ancient churches

<not diabolic

lmao

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ba557d No.9478 [Open thread]

If I were born unable to respond to the gospel, it would be unjust to condemn me to eternal hell because of my lack of response.

This injustice is recognizable by natural theology (your conscience), and by God's description of responsibility in scripture.

Calvinists, please respond.

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ea58d6 No.9713

Invidious embed. Click thumbnail to play.

>>9497

>I'm using responsibility here to mean ability to respond

And almost every serious theologian, Arminian, Cavlinist, and Molinist, don't mean that.

>Sovereignty does not mean He deals arbitrarily

It means He can if God wills to, but we don't and shouldn't argue as if God's sovereignty existed separately from God's omniscience. That's strawmanning Reformed theology.

>sovereignty means He is unaffected by outside influence

Wrong, that's God's impassibility. You are redefining theological terms to suit your argument rather than relying on what definitions theologians have already used.

>I entirely affirm the sovereignty of God

You affirm a strawman.

>it's only by grace that anyone is saved at all.

Amen, but now you're agreeing with my premise. Without God's gift/grace, a person would only choose hell.

>I'm saying that the God of John 3:16 is one who freely offers a gift,

Like the rest of your post, you fail to define key words carefully. What exactly is God gifting? What is or are God's grace/s that man needs.

>John 3:16

Funny you mention this verse.

You also don't go far enough. See what John the Baptist truthfully says: "John answered, 'A person cannot receive even one thing unless it is given him from heaven.'" (Jn. 3:27 ESV) This includes faith and belief that saves. You also skip 3:8

"The wind blows where it wishes, and you hear its sound, but you do not know where it comes from or where it goes. So it is with everyone who is born of the Spirit." (Jn. 3:8 ESV) And you say we are free and able to come to Chist ourselves?

Go further several chapters and you read this:

"Jesus answered them, 'I told you, and you do not believe. The works that I do in my Father's name bear witness about me, but you do not believe because you are not among my sheep. My sheep hear mPost too long. Click here to view the full text.

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f2bedb No.9715

For heresy free discussion go to >>>/christian/

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ea58d6 No.9762

>>9715

Whoops! You forgot the "-ity" bro. Let me help you out…

>>>/christianity/

There, I fixed your post for you. :)

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95d450 No.9769

Grace is a red herring here, yes, faith exists because of grace, because faith is an infused virtue, but Jesus explicitly said that it is His will that everyone would be saved. However, we have our free will, so, we have to choose to confess with our mouths that Jesus is Lord, that is the the minimum Jesus requires from us, according to Sts. Paul and John the Evangelist writing in their New Testament Epistles.

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b56a5b No.9776

I'm not seeing any reason to reject the conclusion. Under calvinism, in the final analysis, those who are in Hell were damned because God chose not to save them. If this statement is accurate, the only defense a calvinist should be making is that God's choice was just and non-arbitrary for reasons related to His foreknowledge.

>>9713

>Without God's gift/grace, a person would only choose hell.

No. The gift is the forgiveness, the gift is not causing one to receive the forgiveness.

<For by grace you have been saved through faith; and that not of yourselves, it is the gift of God; (Eph. 2:8 NAS)

"it is the gift of God" refers to grace.

Faith is the means.

>And almost every serious theologian, Arminian, Cavlinist, and Molinist, don't mean that.

Leighton Flowers

>It means He can if God wills to, but we don't and shouldn't argue as if God's sovereignty existed separately from God's omniscience. That's strawmanning Reformed theology.

Sure He can, but to be arbitrary is against His nature and inconsistent with the Bible. Is God arbitrary to you?

>'A person cannot receive even one thing unless it is given him from heaven.'" (Jn. 3:27 ESV)

The thing has to be given in order for it to be received. This does not necessitate that God causes the person to choose to receive.

>And you say we are free and able to come to Chist ourselves?

No, Christ did all the work already and the grace is freely offered for anyone who chooses to believe. I am not a pelagian.

>Why? Where does Scripture say God is obligated to save sinners?

Nowhere, but he's gracious to do it anyway.

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5fa3d1 No.9607 [Open thread]

I noticed there's a lot of fighting on this board between Catholics, Protestants, and Orthodox. So I figured we should make a thread focusing on the common enemies to Christianity.

I'll list a few I can think of:

>Jews

>Muslims

>Satanists

>Atheists

>Sodomites/Homosexuals

The question arises, how do we turn these people away from the devil and away from their Satanic instincts?

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77cbc1 No.9696

>>9607

You need to add Seventh-Day Adventists to the list, then it'll be complete

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6c6137 No.9723

For heresy free cooperation go to >>>/christian/

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5fa3d1 No.9735

>>9723

I got banned from there for makinf fun of novus ordo faggotry.

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3ff498 No.9736

>>9723

Why are you spamming us? Is it some kind of retaliation move?

BO told us not to do the same to y'all.

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716757 No.9774

>>9736

It's probably the same guy spamming gay porn so he can turn us all into Roman Catholic priests

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