/christianity/ - Christian Theology & Philosophy

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>>10825

The thing is, maybe in our mortal eyes, there is a difference, but in God's eyes there is none, as Matthew 5: 27-28 points out. God judges our hearts and inner motivations, rather than just our actions. When one masturbates, they ultimately are sub-communicating to God that the only thing holding them back from actual fornication with a woman is either fear, incompetence, laziness, or some combination of the aforementioned.

Obviously, you shouldn't just get with an unrepentant promiscuous woman, but we are to be merciful as our Father in Heaven is merciful: Matthew 18:21-35. If you've been lustful in the past, and a woman has sincerely repented from being lustful, and you turn up your nose at her, you're being a hypocrite.

>>10964

there!s literally ZERO evidence the god of the new testament considers as EQUIVALENT lust and sex. they’re differentiated. you’re not off the hook for lust, but it’s SIMPLY NOT EQUATED!!! SINS ARE NOT EQUAL, EVER!!! NO SIN IS EVER EQUATED. it’s a list, though we may never know it fully, there are no ties, no equal sins, ever, each is worse than another, better than another, between precisely 2, having no ties. only 2 sins, the worst and the least have less than 2 neighbors, and in their case they have 1, and no ties.

but regarding the sin of lust, it relates to (physically) looking at any female human (gyne). land so, if you desire your own wife you violate that one, which is why you should only have sex with your wife, and only in the dark. if you care what Jesus said. but you boomer dun givva FUUUUUÛCK.

>>10990

>there!s literally ZERO evidence the god of the new testament considers as EQUIVALENT lust and sex.

Read it again:

Matthew 5: 27-28

And thanks be to our Lord Jesus Christ that through him we can be justified and sanctified. No stain of sin, whatsoever, not even so called "minor" sins are allowed into Heaven and God's presence period. It doesn't matter if you're a serial killer, or tell little lies. One sin that is not repented/covered, and that's it. Game Over. Forever. We must be perfect, just as our Father in heaven is perfect; which is literally an impossible task without the sacrifice, mercy and grace of our Lord Jesus Christ.

>>10990

Why are you even here? This is a Christian board. There is no "god of the new testament". There is God. Only one. He did not change.

Neither lust nor sex are sins. Lusting after someone's wife is specifically equated to actually committing adultery. Lust for your own wife isn't a sin, it is good. Read the song of songs.

>>10991

It never says Jesus didn't love and kiss and touch his disciples in the bible, just the opposite. It never once says Jesus is not bi in the bible.

It's not blasphemy

>>10999

In the west we have this concept where nothing is assumed until there is good evidence for it. We dont immediately assume everyone is bisexual

>>11002

>In the west we have this concept where nothing is assumed until there is good evidence for it. We dont immediately assume everyone is bisexual

Nobody assumed anything. A question was asked, then evidence of Jesus loving men, kissing them, and teaching them to fish for and catch other men then bend them to the will of the disciples was presented.

Sometimes when a group of men travel together and kiss each other and fish for other men; homosexuality or bisexuality can be involved

>>11003

Are you calling Jesus a sinner?

>>11007

being bisexual is not a sin anon, you should read the bible someday

I thought this would have been earth-shattering news, but turns out this guy is part of an "Independent Catholic" church, so he was already excommunicated by Rome.

Mildly disappointed that this isn't one of their actual patriarchs.

>>10934

>let the priests and bishops no longer mention the name of this excommunicated apostate Francis in the Divine Liturgy.

What? Roman catholics invoke the name of the pope during your liturgy?

For what purpose?

>>10893

>LOL. Which lived millions of years apart according to those exact same (((scientists))).

<he doesn't understand how genetics works. LOL

Genetic differences aren't measured in terms of time, therefore they cannot directly map to any arbitrarily chosen timeline, retard. Plus, the way DNA actually "mutates" and "evolves", happens much more rapidly than clueless atheist talking heads would have you believe. Any honest geneticist (and especially Christian ones) will openly admit that the entire darwinian framework doesn't describe the reality of how DNA actually works at all. If you think genetic lineages in any way necessitate an acceptance of the stupid evolutionary timeline, that just means you have no idea what it is you're talking about.

>>10896

>I disagree, I'm sure Israelis also use math, doesn't mean we should stop using math.

Nobody said to not use what they use, otherwise we wouldn't be using much of the same scriptures. The point was about goals and values. If you share their values of rebelling against God's will, your status of a Christian is suspect. And yes, everything having to do with zionism and the modern state of "Israel" is most certainly rebellious in nature.

>>10903

>My point was you don't discredit something that works based on the fact (((they))) use it.

That isn't why it's discredited, but it should be enough reason to make people reevaluate their stances. Not questioning shared (((practices))) enough is why most Christians are still blindly using the corrupted masoretic text in their Bibles.

>The issue with Zionism is that it's predicated off an obsolete covenant

There are far bigger issues with Zionism than that. Not the least of which is the house of (((Judah))) masquerading as the house of Israel.

>But that doesn't mean Nationalism is bad.

Nobody is saying nationalism is bad. The problem here is this modernist "white" idolatry. "White" people didn't even exist as a, loose homogenous identity group until recently, and now it's being used as a basis to mimic rebellious Jewish isolationism. Jews were always independent and closed off, while Christians were always open and collaborative. To just brush off such a drastic arbitrary flip in Christian attitudes, is to turn a blind eye to their (((tricks))).

>>10896

>Literally every human on earth is as much a descendant of Noah as they are Adam

Human, not beast. And since Noah was perfect in his genealogy, he was indeed in the image of Adam. So yes, all mankind is in the image of Adam and Noah. Negros can not possibly be mankind, as they are not in the image of Adam and Noah.

>I've always been under the impression that separate races came from Babel

I can see how that interpretation could make sense if it weren't for the contradictory evidence that negros are not human. But it could also mean that the white race was spread out, and made into the various white nations with their various white languages. It says the people were scattered and unable to understand each other's languages. It does not say everything with 2 legs and speech was from those people.

>unless I'm misunderstanding the flood as a world-wide event?

I can't say for sure on that debate, but I am trying to find better information on it. The word used is erets, which can indeed mean some limited geographical area of land, it is used in that manner in the bible itself. But it can also mean the entire world I think. I may make a thread to discuss this question in the future when I have done more study.

>Believe me when I tell you I'd love to be on your side with this, but I just don't think the God would tell us to spread the gospel to every living creature knowing full well that other races couldn't be saved

Can fish be saved? If you interpret "to all creation" as "to everything I created", then you need to be spreading the gospel to trees and rocks too. None of those can be saved. Obviously the equally possible interpretation "to all of the world", implying all of man on the planet makes more sense.

>>10898

>Genetic differences aren't measured in terms of time

Nobody said they were. I said the same (((scientists))) who claim to have foPost too long. Click here to view the full text.

>>10437

It's not really false witness to be holding them to their own standards though. We may disagree with their rules, but they're still the rules over there. It's not like they don't have the final say on whether or not they'll exercise their Logos to stop banning people so frivolously. All that approach is doing, is holding up a mirror to their actions. If they don't recognize the road they're going down, that's on them, but hopefully they'll gain some discernment out of it.

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>>10317

tbh i was kinda shitposting

>>10712

>I was merely pretending to be retarded

im >>10244 and my appeal was just denied yesterday

tldr

>mentioned ufos = demons based on some authors months ago

>got banned

>new thread on same subject made by someone else

>mentioned i was banned and mentioned those authors again

>permabanned (for a ban evasion that i did not do)

>>10860

I have read it, it's just very complex. I could use some diagrams

>>10868

Well that's not exactly true. It's not half and half. Jesus is fully God and fully man. You really seem to be looking at it like it's some kind of additive formula, which it isn't. It isnt the divine nature + the human nature making the hypostatic union. It is the assumption of the human nature and will into the divine person.

>>10872

you're right, that's an oversimplified mistake of that cartoon

>>10792

>spooks

Only Ghost we have around here is the Holy Ghost

Wasn't this guy pining for some woman that wouldn't commit to him and instead slept around?

No, it's not a good idea. They have bad soteriology

https://carm.org/the-amish-and-salvation

You can sequester yourself from negative worldly influences without becoming amish. Move to a small town in north idaho.

>>10857

This song might help you decide

>>10766

Independent Fundamental Baptist. They most closely align with the Christianity of the Ante-Nicene period, in both doctrine and practices.

>>10791

>They most closely align with the Christianity of the Ante-Nicene period, in both doctrine and practices.

Citations from the Ante-Nicene fathers would be appreciated.

>>10829

here's a few relevant quotations on the issue of baptism

https://carm.org/early-church-fathers-baptism

>>10766

The church that Jesus himself built and left behind of course!

https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLbDsxw-e0m3mIkapUEZ_-5BEOr19F4t73

We're also the only "denomination" that uses the oldest and most reliable remaining version of the scriptures:

https://youtu.be/VI1yRTC6kGE

https://youtu.be/s6lkJgBddlc

Unfortunately, all the other [western] Christian theologies out there, have the unintended side effect of inevitably collapsing into nihilsm, which defeats the purpose of the faith in the first place:

http://www.oodegr.com/english/filosofia/nihilism_root_modern_age.htm

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>>10536

OP, we barely know what the FRICK you are talking about. Please delete this thread and try again coherently, otherwise do not make it again/continue posting.

And for everyone else, please dont bump this shit

What even is this thread

>>10548

lol u can’t type fûck

>>10699

Stop bumping shit threads

>>10700

in your estimation, one of human derivation. mine is a loftier intention.

>>10550

>Not trying to hate on baptists but you guys have a rich *real* history to draw from without resorting to modern memes.

It would be a mistake to consider this "new IFB" movement as representative at all of baptists. It's really just a small number of newly planted churches coupled with good youtube publicity.

The cathar and waldensian connection is just part of the "trail of blood" idea from the early 20th century, trying to find examples in every era of Christian groups practicing believers baptism only.

>>10550

>And the waldensians are still around today and their beliefs are very similar to calvinism

Let's clarify this: 21st century Waldensians are LGBT-affirming apostates. Historic Waldensians were Calvinistic.

Nice, thanks for sharing

>>10551

It's too bad they followed in the footsteps of the Trail of Blood (1931) version of events and didn't do some more original research on the subject. They could have found much better sources such as the Edinburgh Encyclopedia article of 1830 (Vol. 3, p. 251) and other primary sources.

The ToB really doesn't argue strongly enough from the case for the local church and against state churches, and what I mean specifically is they think there is a need to identify with "groups," which were usually in their times equally as political as the very state church that they opposed. While it is often the conceivably the case that local, Bible-believing churches were politically under some state church, that doesn't mean churches needed to react to this with some "movement" to compete for political capital with these state entities. Although it is very likely the case that individual members of such churches did participate in these political movements, their local churches did not institutionally go along with them. Because to do so, and to form a denomination, would be antithetical to maintaining true Biblical primacy.

So just as in the counter-reformations baptists were charged as being protestant due to often existing inside lands controlled by those state churches, in other times they would have been called (by their pedobaptist adversaries) donatists or paulicians for instance, or else called by some political movement as the peasant uprising in Munster or the Petrobrusians or Waldensians, or else just struck with the general derogatory anabaptist label (as the Mennonites eventually even adopted this label). But none of these groups or "movements" is the same as the independent, baptist, local church because that is based on the New Testament. It has received the Scripture which is the word of God (preserved from destruction by various state church entities) and it hasn't changed or added doctrine since. Even today, one of those historical distinctives is the refusal to use any corrupted versions of scripture such as the alexandrian or catholic versions, as well as being baptist and not organized into a political denomination.

That's also (one of) the reasons I don't associate with NIPost too long. Click here to view the full text.

>>10694

Goyim knew so they shut it down

>>9197

channel shut down who was this

>>10730

Yeah, what was this thread about? FRICK youtube, btw.

>>10730

>>10730

Back from 2015 to about early 2018, Common Filth was a Protestant podcaster who detailed the degeneracy and evils of the current generation with a clearly Christian point of view. He didn't play into anyone's hands left or right, not Republirats, not NatSoc-larpers, not Alt-Kikes, not Church-cucks, just a raw. unfiltered indictments against modern culture straight outta Ezekiel 23. About the time he took a deep pause (late 2017 or early 2018), I assume he took a break since he either got married or was deep in his relationship with his gf, and many believe his research was starting to affect negatively, especially spiritually, which he knew.

Oh, and perhaps the most important lesson from him:

Ignore Sodomite Orders

>>10763

Just another reviler who got enjoyment and revelry out of explaining and sharing in meticulous and painstaking detail the degrading filth of others. Also he said and I quote we should never have given the gospel to English people and that "white girls [expletive] dogs." I'm glad that he is gone. We need to read Ephesians 4 and 5 as a pattern for behavior, and that guy clearly never did this.

And have no fellowship with the unfruitful works of darkness, but rather reprove them.

For it is a shame even to speak of those things which are done of them in secret. - Ephesians 5:11-12

Let no corrupt communication proceed out of your mouth, but that which is good to the use of edifying, that it may minister grace unto the hearers.

And grieve not the holy Spirit of God, whereby ye are sealed unto the day of redemption. - Ephesians 4:29-30

>>10587

Nice arrangement of "All Hail the Power"

>>9376

>Why would he not inspire us to sing a "new song" as well, as the Psalms themselves tell us to?

Do you realize what you're saying? Shall we start binding hymnals after Revelation?

>Also, when the Psalms instruct us to worship with instruments, are we to take Psalm 33 as literally instructing us to only utilize the specific 10 string harp from Old Testament times exclusively, or risk engaging in "strange fire"?

We are not to use instruments at all, they were a part of the sacrificial worship of the old covenant.

>In light of such things, Solae Scriptura, in regards to worship, makes more sense as a guide, rather than a Talmudic regulatory manual

Now, the time has come to exegete the key text.

<And Nadab and Abihu, the sons of Aaron, took either of them his censer, and put fire therein, and put incense thereon, and offered strange fire before the Lord, which he commanded them not. And there went out fire from the Lord, and devoured them, and they died before the Lord. Then Moses said unto Aaron, This is it that the Lord spake, saying, I will be sanctified in them that come nigh me, and before all the people I will be glorified. And Aaron held his peace.

Now, what was Nadab and Abihu's sin? That they offered worship according to their own construction, rather than divine regulation. Thus their fire is called strange, for "he commanded them not". Now this sin was so serious, that God did not even wait for them to be punished by the people, but immediately slew them, not only slew them but burned them alive. We can imagine that Aaron was reasonably nearby to them, his sons, his pride and joy, his genetic legacy, the surety of the continuance of life and the cheating of death, whom he had known since they were but babes and raised them to be men. I wonder if he heard their screams. Evidently, God felt indebted to Aaron, to give a reason and make explanation, of why his sons who had received such an honor had to die so horribly and so soon, because He specially sent Moses, just for Aaron, to explain. And He explains, that He shall be glorified before the people, which consideriPost too long. Click here to view the full text.

>>9389

>The death of the whole entails the death of all parts.

Under that logic, that would entail the Psalms of the Old Testament as well.

>We should restrict worship art to none whatsoever. How we have forgotten the second commandment, that we put up images of corruptible man and birds and fourfooted beasts and creeping things in God's house. Lord have mercy.

>We are not to use instruments at all, they were a part of the sacrificial worship of the old covenant.

Ohhhhhh….I see. Even though that commandment against graven images ordained by God, is given literally shortly before specific instructions were given on building the temple, including images of cherubim, animals, etc., thus making that commandment exegetically related specifically to utilizing art for idolatry, not art itself.

As for your point on instruments…. so it's Biblically mandated to follow the 150 Psalms…. but disobeying their instructions to use instruments is also Biblically mandated… according to you?

I'm not going to waste my time with the rest, because I can already tell from just these responses from you, that not only are we not going to see eye to eye, but you are clearly treating Scripture as a pick and choose buffet, or even a "perforated Bible" as satirized in the Babylon Bee, in order to suit your interpretation of Scripture:

https://babylonbee.com/news/new-bible-perforated-pages-announced/

That or you're a troll taking me for a ride, which I'm getting off of now, thank you very much.

>>9404

>you are clearly treating Scripture as a pick and choose buffet

No I just understand (evidently unlike you) that not all worship in ancient Israel was part of sacrificial temple worship. There's a clear pattern here you're just choosing not to see it in favor making arguments that are logically fallacious and factually incorrect.

>That or you're a troll

And the fact you saw fit to make such a conclusion about such a thorough response which actually exegeted the key text demonstrates that all this post really was is capitulation.

Prots have some good hymns - Blessed Assurance, I’l Fly Away, etc. Last time I was in a Baptist church it was 1/2 hymns and 1/2 garbage like in the OP. Definitely a step in the wrong direction.

>>10623

It's more like

>go to a church

>expect to see Christians

>instead your pastor is a fag in skinny jeans with a RESIST tshirt

>>10668

Is that what you see when you click the video in the OP?

>>10670

I didn't even click on it hahahahaha

>>10695

So why are you demeaning him?