/christianity/ - Christian Theology & Philosophy

>>12708

an 'S' at the front for Sovereignty

you could stick it at the end to make TULIPS, but since everything else in the acronym proceeds from God's Sovereign Decree, and perhaps more pertinently; since we live in a time where many have forgotten that God is the only One who truly has libertarian free will - and so does whatever He pleases, bringing everything He wants to pass - it kinda needs to go at the start

it's just, stoolip sounds a bit dumb eh ?

>>12711

>it's just, stoolip sounds a bit dumb eh ?

Yeah, I'd definitely stick it at the end as a emphatic descriptor, just to make it flow better. Thanks.

1 peter 3:21

>The like figure whereunto even baptism doth also now save us (not the putting away of the filth of the flesh, but the answer of a good conscience toward God,) by the resurrection of Jesus Christ:

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>>12738

>/thread

How can you /thread when you haven't even made a point?

>>12738

>Not the putting away of the filth of the flesh

Paedobaptists will ignore

You might just have to do Mark 10:29-30

>And Jesus answered and said, Verily I say unto you, There is no man that hath left house, or brethren, or sisters, or father, or mother, or wife, or children, or lands, for my sake, and the gospel’s,

>But he shall receive an hundredfold now in this time, houses, and brethren, and sisters, and mothers, and children, and lands, with persecutions; and in the world to come eternal life.

>>12739

I can leave her alright, but I don't think I'm doing the right thing abandoning the ones close to me like that. I want to at least give it a good effort to convince her.

>>12684

>if she doesn't start thinking seriously about family and God now, maybe she never will.

If she has a fedora tier aversion to even eating some milk hebrews 5:11-12 then maybe she never had matthew 11:15

>He that hath ears to hear, let him hear.

Nor did she have faith when you spoke the word of God to her romans 10:17

>So then faith cometh by hearing, and hearing by the word of God.

>>12742

>good effort to convince her

Well, do mark 16:15

>And he said unto them, Go ye into all the world, and preach the gospel to every creature.

Even if she's not a 1 corinthians 15:44 but a 2 samuel 16:9/Isaiah 56:10-11 you can still preach the word of God. Start with the basics like stated in Hebrews 6:1-2

>THEREFORE leaving the principles of the doctrine of Christ, let us go on unto perfection; not laying again the foundation of repentance from dead works, and of faith toward God,

>Of the doctrine of baptisms, and of laying on of hands, and of resurrection of the dead, and of eternal judgment.

Do remember matthew 7:6 if she just absolutely refuses to hear.

>>12559

That's natural evil. The tragedy is a result of the fall, even though no moral agent caused it in particular.

Read Mere Christianity

The person saying sin does not exist is not only wrong, but exceedingly dangerous. Sin, that is doing what God has forbidden through his commandments or his Church, is absolutely real. If you die in a state of mortal sin, you go to hell. If you have committed a mortal sin and have not confessed it, or been absolved through either extreme unction or the exceedingly unlikely chance of begging forgiveness, then you are in a state of mortal sin.

The question of evil is more difficult to answer. Humans are capable of committing evil, that is sin, on their own, but much of it is done at the behest/suggestion of demons. Demons roam about the earth seeking souls which they can devour. They have their own free will, though are kept on a tight leash by God. There are angels and demons all around us, though we can not see them unless God wants us to.

We do not deserve to have evil removed from the earth. Humans had the chance with Adam and Eve. It is due to their original sin that evil exists on earth. Our defense against this is to live holly lives and fight against sin through the grace of God ("Put on the armor of God"). We must believe, adore, trust and love God, which includes not breaking his rules (sin) in order to pass from this valley of tears into Heaven. We can go to confession for our own sins, but we must not do it disingenuously.

>>12540

<evil was not created

Isaiah 45:7

>I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the LORD do all these things.

>>11255

>solving evil

Define evil first. If you mean Psalms 10:17

>The wicked shall be turned into hell, and all the nations that forget God.

And Psalms 26:5

>I have hated the congregation of evil doers; and will not sit with the wicked.

The "wicked" are "evil doers". So "evil doers" "shall be turned into hell" but the key part is that they "forget" God. You can't forget something you never knew so by definition every person in hell at some point knew God in some fashion. Like for example having faith and being able to hear God in the first place like in romans 10:16-17. Or being able to please God like in Hebrews 11:6. God created Satan, and everything else. The living God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob is the Creator of everything and owns everything by extension see Jeremiah 27:5 or Genesis 1:1 for examples…

>>11255

>How would /christianity/ solve the problem of evil?

To answer OP see Romans 12:19-21

>Dearly beloved, avenge not yourselves, but rather give place unto wrath: for it is written, Vengeance is mine; I will repay, saith the Lord.

>Therefore if thine enemy hunger, feed him; if he thirst, give him drink: for in so doing thou shalt heap coals of fire on his head.

>Be not overcome of evil, but overcome evil with good.

Let Jesus take vengence in the book of Revelation, and not us. Also see >>11268 the book of Job

>>11024

No southern baptist would say such a thing, unless he's playing devil's advocate. I'm watching you.

"Rescue those who are being taken away to death; hold back those who are stumbling to the slaughter." (Prov. 24:11 ESV)

[After Rehoboam increases the taxes inflicted on the Israelites…] "So Israel has been in rebellion against the house of David to this day.

20 And when all Israel heard that Jeroboam had returned, they sent and called him to the assembly and made him king over all Israel. There was none that followed the house of David but the tribe of Judah only.

21 When Rehoboam came to Jerusalem, he assembled all the house of Judah and the tribe of Benjamin, 180,000 chosen warriors, to fight against the house of Israel, to restore the kingdom to Rehoboam the son of Solomon.

22 But the word of God came to Shemaiah the man of God:

23 "Say to Rehoboam the son of Solomon, king of Judah, and to all the house of Judah and Benjamin, and to the rest of the people,

24 'Thus says the LORD, You shall not go up or fight against your relatives the people of Israel. Every man return to his home, for this thing is from me.'" So they listened to the word of the LORD and went home again, according to the word of the LORD." (1 Ki. 12:19-24 ESV)

"The word of the LORD came to me:

2 'Son of man, speak to byour people and say to them, If I bring the sword upon a land, and the people of the land take a man from among them, and make him their dwatchman,

3 and if he sees the sword coming upon the land and ablows the trumpet and warns the people,

4 then if anyone who hears the sound of the trumpet does not take warning, and the sword comes and takes him away, his blood shall be upon his own head.

5 He heard the sound of the trumpet and did not take warning; his blood shall be upon himself. But if he had taken warning, he would have saved his life.

6 But if the watchman sees the sword coming and does not blow the trumpet, so that the people are not warned, and the sword comes and takes any one of them, athat person is taken away in his iniquity, but his blood I will require at the watchman's hand." (Ezek. 33:1-6 ESV)

>>11034

This

>>11034

[continuation of the quotation]

>For I tell you that this Scripture must be fulfilled in Me: ‘And He was numbered with the transgressors.’

He instructed them to buy swords, not to use them (not even for self-defense), but so that they might be mistaken for evil-doers.

[speaking of the same sword]

>Then Jesus said to him, "Put your sword back into its place; for all those who take up the sword shall perish by the sword."

I own two guns, but this is not a pro-gun argument.

I kinda hate that I am making this comparison Since I like said universe and what I am about to say may be a little dumb-ish, but probably a christian version of warhammer 40k would fit the bill. So instead of a god emperor/omnissiah, its well…. probably like an uber-pope/antichrist? Mainly since what I have heard about that evil plan kinda goes that route. Genetic warping, travel relying on some twisted faith, cyborging/ literal robo-zombification depending on if someone buys into the antichrists plan involving augmentations hard enough. Though I dont know what you are exactly asking so I will leave it at that.

>>12382

>? Or glandular modifications to better resist base urges and temptations? Cyber jacks to participate in virtual reality environments that enable congregations to meet and wor

If they are done without harm to body or mind why not? if they do truly harm, then maybe not.

Alright so it's more complicated. the word used by paul is pysche which suggest mind-related. Tripartite view might be wrong or right, not sure.

Like this.

when was it not 'real'?

It constituted a significant departure from the previous Roman Catholic religion

Have you heard much of Bishop Richard Williamson's work om thr subject?

>>12544

Argue against anything you disagree with. You're anonymous and we don't care about your moralizing schoolmarm take, that's the point.

>>9739

I think it's safe to say it's prevalent throughout not only the Catholic church, but others as well. Islam does not attempt to enforce chastity and the current pope endorses it in place of Christianity. Letting people have a sexual outlet is far safer than generating incels and predatory priests, if you ask me. Full disclosure: Not a catholic.

The Catholic Church has stood sentinal against homosexuality and sexual immorality in general for over 2000 years, where's your evidence that they actually support each other. Right now, there is a push by the homosexual community to convince Catholics specifically that it's "OK to be Gay". Why? Because Lucifer's ultimate goal is the destruction of Our Lord's Holy Catholic Church.

The problem with the catholic church is not the pedophilia but the fact that they keep covering it up. This is why central church structures don't work. Men are always fallible, and rather than admit that, people will hide the truth in order to keep the belief that their clergy are divine (and infallible).

Did Vespasian rise again after being dead for 3 days?

Your argument is that ancient sources record other miracle workers, therefore the miracles of the Bible didn't occur…?

Vespasian's miracles came after Christianity was already well known and causing problems in Rome (69-70 ad). Tacitus doubted their veracity as there was nothing to lose by being a witness and much to lose by denying the miracles.

The opposite was true for the apostles testimony. Also, Christ performed the miracles 40 years earlier - obvious Vespasian was copying well-known stories and trying to lure ignorant Christians.

False equivalence

>>11795

lel

>>11898

Isaiah 52:7

Any real catholic knows he is not legitimate. The legitimate pope still lives, however. You can't have more than 2 popes alive at the same time.

>>11938

There were three in 1409

>>11783

>>11783

>>>/christian/ (AKA /catholic/)

you have to go back

>>12608

If your local anglican church is in communion with Canterbury I wouldn't bother. That church is past the point of no return.

See if it's in one of the dissenting denominations.

Test

>>12638

Aren't all churches pozzed these days though? Plus I have a cathedral within 10 minutes train journey of where I live. Seems kind of nonsensical that God would forsake us for just going to a church where some of the higher-ups that I'm likely to never meet do some kind of evil? I would've thought that I could go there, sing his praises, partake in prayer and glorify him, and if the leader of the congregation says something degenerate/wicked I could just go and pray for God to forgive them and to express my disagreement with what they say.

What do you guys think

>>12648

He really is a massive faggot isn't he. How difficult is it for a Christian to just be a Christian

There was a mass extinction event 12000 to 13000 years ago. The humans had an iron age technology but were not widespread. So it is conceivable a flood wiped them all out. This is more probable if humans were confined to one island perhaps Antarctica. In addition 6000 years is not enough time for humans to have spread all over the world and diverged genetically as much as they have but 12000 years is.

>>12520

12000 - 13000 is not compatible with the Biblical timeline

>>12496

>All this nonsense about giants being some sort of hybrid offspring of angels and men comes from Enoch

I have heard that the "sons of God" has been used to describe angels in the Bible several times

>>12535

>John 1:12,13

But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name:

Which were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God.

>Hebrews 1:5

For unto which of the angels said he at any time, Thou art my Son, this day have I begotten thee? And again, I will be to him a Father, and he shall be to me a Son?

The Bible never says that angels are the sons of God. It actually says quite the opposite.

>>9703

>if no one but Noah and his family survived the flood?

We don't know for sure but leviathan and behemoth may be antediluvian creatures who survived, other creatures may have survived as well.

It doesn't say "the word was a God", koine Greek doesn't even have an indefinite article. That is a deliberate mistranslation only found in the JW version to enforce a doctrine after the fact.

This is a Christian board. Christianity is trinitarian. You are not a Christian, so if you want to post here do it respectfully, especially if you want to debate.

>>12247

>>12246

these

>>12243

>Jehovah

Is a mode of God that is inherently selfish.

> The trinity doctrine is fake

It is alightly corrupted by my estimation. The spiritus sancti can be transferred from pater to filius. Saying they are God, all three of them, only makes sense to me if you add another -o-.

>Worshiping Jesus is blasphemy!

It is certainly idolatry, but many Israelites had a tendency of reverting to it, so having him as the figurehead made things easier.

>>12243

>Jesus is the only begotten son of Jehovah Almighty, he is his chief archangel and was instructed by Jehovah to create the universe but all worship and glory passes through Jesus to Jehovah and Jehovah alone!

This statement does not make sense to me.

>Read the Greek it says the Word is a god which the Bible uses for angels

And the word angels denotes messengers.

>Jesus is not God!

No, but he was Good.

>Trinity believers are polytheists

If you are talking about Catholics, I agree! My Arian perspective only delineates the mechanism for transmission through generations.

>Repent

Oh wow..

>>12246

>>12247

>>12250

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I spoke with some JWs today. What is our trinitarian answer as to why Jesus is called the firstborn of all creation (Col. 1:15)

JWs argue that this means Jesus was created. I'm finding answers that say "firstborn" is equivalent to "Lord" here, referencing his role in creation.

https://biblehub.com/commentaries/colossians/1-15.htm

https://www.gotquestions.org/Jesus-first-born.html

JW bibles don't say "For by him were all things created,", they say all other things, because they think Jesus is created.

I would like to address a common heathenry within the ranks of glow in the dark agencies: Mormonism / LDS / Church of Jesus Christ of the Latter Day Saints.

As of these current years, this cult likes to call itself Christian and begin its advertisement with half truths presenting what appears to be a shared language and worldview with Christians. For example, the first taste of their heathenry that they may share is asking if you have accepted Christ. Or, it may be a video presenting a familiar Gospel story. As with any other Satanically-inspired organization, it is their job to trick you into forsaking the real Lord Jesus. In order to shown that they are in fact NOT Christian, I will try to show the big differences.

The Christian:

>His Scripture is representative of the Biblical Canon: the new and Old Testaments. There may be importance given to Deuterocanonical works of the ancients that cover Christian theology, but these do not alter the foundations nor are they given the same importance

>He worships God and God alone: he rejects polytheism, and rejects the mere existence of other gods

>He accepts the Trinity: the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit

>He views himself rightly as a creature: that is, a creation of God, and understands his place

The Mormon:

>His scripture includes the Biblical Canon as well as extrabiblical canon given greater importance than the former as shown by its given precedence where it directly contradicts Biblical Canon

>He is a polytheist who believes denies the Trinity (three persons in one substance) in its actual definition and will claim to believe in the Trinity as defined by the cult

>they believe that everyone is a god, created through God the father ("Father God") having sexual intercourse with a goddess

>they believe that everyone has a chance to earn their own planet, goddess wife, and god children just as Father God earned

>ergo, they believe that Father God was once human just likPost too long. Click here to view the full text.