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ae40ca No.12722

I am relatively new to Christianity, being raised in a secular home through my childhood and having no faith into my adult life outside of vapid consumerism. I have recently come across Torah-Observant Christianity and it seems to resonate very much with me; I feel called by it.

>inb4 Judaism & /pol/tier screeching

This is nothing like Judaism.

To clarify, I follow the Law to the best of my ability out of love and obedience to the Most High. I do not believe that any works nor observance of the teachings are done as a requirement of salvation, but rather faith alone in the Grace of our Savior Yeshua the Messiah is the only way to be saved. Also, I have nor want nothing to do with the paganism that the star of David/Remphan represents (gentile usurpers).

Can we get a discussion going on this? What are your thoughts on the Law? My eyes and ears are receptive to what you have to say, and I would love to hear from my Christian brothers and sisters of all backgrounds. Thank you, and God be with you always.

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c5fcc2 No.12729

>Why the Law then? It was added because of transgressions, having been ordained through angels by the agency of a mediator, until the seed would come to whom the promise had been made. Now a mediator is not for one party only; whereas God is only one. Is the Law then contrary to the promises of God? May it never be! For if a law had been given which was able to impart life, then righteousness would indeed have been based on law. But the Scripture has shut up everyone under sin, so that the promise by faith in Jesus Christ might be given to those who believe.

>But before faith came, we were kept in custody under the law, being shut up to the faith which was later to be revealed. Therefore the Law has become our tutor to lead us to Christ, so that we may be justified by faith. But now that faith has come, we are no longer under a tutor. For you are all sons of God through faith in Christ Jesus. For all of you who were baptized into Christ have clothed yourselves with Christ. There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither slave nor free man, there is neither male nor female; for you are all one in Christ Jesus. And if you belong to Christ, then you are Abraham’s descendants, heirs according to promise.

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bbeb67 No.12731

Council of Florence, Session 11:

"It firmly believes, professes and teaches that the legal prescriptions of the old Testament or the Mosaic law, which are divided into ceremonies, holy sacrifices and sacraments, because they were instituted to signify something in the future, although they were adequate for the divine cult of that age, once our lord Jesus Christ who was signified by them had come, came to an end and the sacraments of the new Testament had their beginning. Whoever, after the passion, places his hope in the legal prescriptions and submits himself to them as necessary for salvation and as if faith in Christ without them could not save, sins mortally. It does not deny that from Christ's passion until the promulgation of the gospel they could have been retained, provided they were in no way believed to be necessary for salvation. But it asserts that after the promulgation of the gospel they cannot be observed without loss of eternal salvation. Therefore it denounces all who after that time observe circumcision, the sabbath and other legal prescriptions as strangers to the faith of Christ and unable to share in eternal salvation, unless they recoil at some time from these errors. Therefore it strictly orders all who glory in the name of Christian, not to practise circumcision either before or after baptism, since whether or not they place their hope in it, it cannot possibly be observed without loss of eternal salvation."

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61337c No.12752

>I have nor want nothing to do with the paganism that the star of David/Remphan represents (gentile usurpers).

This sounds like a conspiracy theory to me.

>>12729

>>12731

See >>12645.

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8a5081 No.12753

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>>12722

We're under a new covenant with Christ. We're not under the covenant that Moses was, that's why we don't sacrifice animals anymore. It doesn't make sense to naively follow the covenant in the Torah.

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e5b9ea No.12759

>>12722

Under the old covenant gentiles would only be obligated to follow the seven noahide laws so unless you're of Jewish descent you're just larping.

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1b2f3f No.12764

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>>12759

> unless you're of Jewish descent you're just larping.

I'm guessing he's american/european, so he's descended from 10 lost tribes of Israel. the 10 lost tribes/europeans received the Torah and have a covenant with GOD as His chosen people, whether they are aware or not. GOD expects such people to keep the Torah and live in Christ

Exodus 31:

"For six days work may be done, but the seventh is the Sabbath of complete rest, sacred to the Lord; whoever does work on the Sabbath day must be put to death.

So the Israelites shall observe the Sabbath, to celebrate the Sabbath throughout their generations as a PERPETUAL covenant.’ 17 It is a sign between Me and the Israelites FOREVER"

If GOD says something is forever, it's FOREVER.

>>12722

I'm part of Torah-Observant Christianity, if you have any questions or any points you would like to discuss, please tell

>>12729

>>12731

>>12753

Matthew 5:

"“Do not think that I came to do away with or undo the Law [of Moses] or the [writings of the] Prophets; I did not come to destroy but to fulfill. 18 For I assure you and most solemnly say to you, until heaven and earth pass away, not the smallest letter or stroke [of the pen] will pass from the Law until all things [which it foreshadows] are accomplished. 19 So whoever breaks one of the least [important] of these commandments, and teaches others to do the same, will be called least [important] in the kingdom of heaven; but whoever practices and teaches them, he will be called great in the kingdom of heaven."

20 “For I say to you that unless your righteousness is more than that of the scribes and Pharisees, you will never enter the kingdom of heaven."

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bbeb67 No.12769

>>12764

>fulfill

'Transitive verb.'' "To meet (a requirement or condition); satisfy."

Jesus brought the Law to effect/completion.

>until all things are accomplished. Matt 5

>"It is accomplished." John 19

Obviously, the Old Law is not swept away in its entirety. But it has reached fulfillment in Christ. They were a shadow of the New Testament. Circumcision issues in Baptism. Passover issues in the Eucharist. The imperfect marriage contracts of Moses issue in the holy covenants of Matrimony. The Levitical priesthood issues in the priesthood of Melchizedek. The Sabbath prescribed to Israel is now celebrated every day, including Saturday. The laws once carved in stone are carved into our hearts.

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37e42a No.12782

>>12764

did you know Diplomacy aka Bibletex?>>12764

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2df58f No.12817

I’ve been thinking a lot abput this lately OP, particularly because of the Caroonavirus and how it spread from eating bats, which is specifically forbidden in Leviticus.

I think there is wisdom and good in everything God has commanded, and so following Ceremonial Law is still good for the spirit. I may give up pork and try to keep the Mosaic diet.

Just don’t go sacraficing animals! The sacrafice of Christ covers all sins.

Keep in mind the apostles themselves kept the law, as described in acts 21:

20 When they heard this, they praised God. Then they said to Paul: “You see, brother, how many thousands of Jews have believed, and all of them are zealous for the law. 21 They have been informed that you teach all the Jews who live among the Gentiles to turn away from Moses, telling them not to circumcise their children or live according to our customs. 22 What shall we do? They will certainly hear that you have come, 23 so do what we tell you. There are four men with us who have made a vow. 24 Take these men, join in their purification rites and pay their expenses, so that they can have their heads shaved. Then everyone will know there is no truth in these reports about you, but that you yourself are living in obedience to the law.

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61337c No.12818

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>>12753

>>12817

>Just don’t go sacraficing animals! The sacrafice of Christ covers all sins.

Sacrifices formally ended with the Second Temple and won't resume until the Third is built.

>>12764

>>12769

I'm not sure I understand the Christian logic behind "fulfill" not meaning "obey" or "follow" here. It strikes me as antinomian wishful thinking that directly contradicts Matthew 19:17.

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e19c08 No.12822

>>12818

>I'm not sure I understand the Christian logic behind "fulfill"

Its called knowing what words mean

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8cba02 No.12824

>>12782

I don't know what you're talking about, but I guess you might be referring to a trip?

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0527a6 No.12857

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OP here; thank you to everyone so far for their contributions, opinions, and other input.

>>12764

I do have a few questions, most of which are quite "novice" and I'm sure they could be answered by a quick Google search. However, I'd rather hear the answer from the community here than there.

>reminder that I'm quite new to the faith and have much left to read

1.) Is the reason keepers of the Torah maintain certain laws but not others based on whether or not the perpetuity of the law is specifically noted? For example, regarding "Yom Kippur" in Judaism, Leviticus 16:29-34 specifically states in verse 34 that this atonement is to be an "everlasting statute":

>34 And this shall be an everlasting statute unto you, to make an atonement for the children of Israel for all their sins once a year. And he did as the Lord commanded Moses.

Are certain laws, like dietary laws, {implied} as perpetual/everlasting despite not being specifically noted thereof? How am I to know the things the glorious sacrifice of Yeshua changed, and what has not changed?

Hopefully this doesn't come off as too foolish of a question or some kind of concern-trolling.

2.) What is the best Holy Bible version for Torah-observant Christians? I have read that the Tree of Life Version is one of the best, but I do like KJV despite its outdated English vernacular and the occasional poor translation. It also (a) leads me to my Strong's Concordance often (thus better understanding), and (b) has stood the test of time quite well.

3.) Some Torah-observant Christians will state that there are simply laws that cannot be followed because they "don't fit our current culture" or are otherwise "impossible" to keep in the modern day. To some degree this feels like mental gymnastics and cherry-picking. I'm not speaking of fat/blood or other animal sacrifice, as the answer to why that isn't practiced is quite clear. How is this reconciled?

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ead048 No.12870

>>12722

Christians do observe the Torah

It's the Jews who practice so-called Judaism who don't.

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f8851f No.12871

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>>12857

>What is the best Holy Bible version for Torah-observant Christians?

Assuming the MT is beyond you, I mostly use the NRSV in my commandment-keeping. I also own the NJPS, and I keep the KJV around for the memes, but I generally find the NRSV to be actionable without assistance.

Here's an example of a rare exception for me with the NRSV: in Leviticus 19.30 and 26:2, "reverence" is used as an imperative verb; I find that confusing.

- KJV: Ye shall keep my sabbaths, and reverence my sanctuary: I am the Lord.

- NRSV: You shall keep my sabbaths and reverence my sanctuary: I am the Lord.

- NJPS: You shall keep My sabbaths and venerate My sanctuary: I am the LORD (19:30). You shall keep My sabbaths and venerate My sanctuary, Mine, the LORD’s (26:2)

I'm sure the NJPS won't fit your needs, however. I'm told that the NASB is generally pretty good despite it sharing this particular problem. The NIV uses "have reverence."

>Some Torah-observant Christians will state that there are simply laws that cannot be followed because they "don't fit our current culture" or are otherwise "impossible" to keep in the modern day. To some degree this feels like mental gymnastics and cherry-picking. I'm not speaking of fat/blood or other animal sacrifice, as the answer to why that isn't practiced is quite clear. How is this reconciled?

I'm interesting in hearing this take as well, though I don't know if we'll see it on this dead board.

>>12870

See attached.

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7c7fd2 No.12875

Jews call it Torah. Christians call it Pentateuch, or Old Testament. We share the same body of scripture if you weren't aware and both religions have differences based on how they interpret this body of sacred text.

Regarding your question, you make the mistake a lot of people do by interpreting the Pentateuch 1)In by itself 2) by yourself. This is a wrong method of interpretation. The Gospels are first and foremost works of theologic commentary expounding on the Pentateuch aswell as the larger body of Old Israelite scripture. As such, the Pentateuch must be read and understood strictly through the definitions and understandings already present in the Gospels. Just as >>12769 pointed out, customs prescribed such as circumcision, temple sacrifice, levitical orders, passover, festival of first fruits, etc, have been replaced in Christ Jesus with Baptism, universal royal priesthood, sunday breaking of His body, Easter Ressurection, pentecost and so on and so forth . Also the verses in Matthew 5: 21, 27-30 only prove of the supersession of the laws of old. They are not forgotten or abolished, but are given a new meaning with the existence of Christ in our lives

Unless you cannot find verses in the Gospel that touch upon dietary laws of old, there really is no reason for you to lapse into Judaism.

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