ae9f0a No.5742
I was thinking about this recently. I didn’t really choose to believe, Christ just seemed true to me. Is believing vs not believing something really a choice? I read stories online a lot that just give me a knee jerk “this is bs” reaction. If that happens to you when you hear about Christ, is that really a choice? But then, how can a just God use faith for our salvation? Do we really have control over that?
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148dd5 No.5745
>>5742
If you have enough will you can believe anything.
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e26cd8 No.5747
There is no control because you are a puppet. Who are you O man
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c0933b No.5797
>>5742
i think that correlation between suffering and faith is not anything surprising.
there was a lots of bible reading in prisons, slave camps, hospitals.
i cannot say how it fits into your world view however.
so it's rather the environment you are being put into, than you controlling it directly.
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6abcb8 No.5804
Mark 1:15 NASB — “The time is fulfilled, and the kingdom of God is at hand; repent and believe in the gospel.”
Why would anyone be urged to believe if they didn't have a choice in the matter? It's nonsense. That's why hypercalvinists over and over have come to the consistent conclusion that sharing the gospel is pointless, because they are determinists.
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c0933b No.5807
>>5804
>hypercalvinists
jesus christ.
if ones has faith, he will find the gospel on his own.
if one doesn't have faith, you have to make him see.
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6abcb8 No.5810
>>5807
>taking the Lord's name in vain
>Platitude theology
Checks out
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c0933b No.5823
>>5810
>taking the Lord's name in vain
matter of opinion.
>Platitude theology
already refuted.
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b5566d No.6302
>>5742
>I was thinking about this recently. I didn’t really choose to believe, Christ just seemed true to me.
At some point I made the choice to learn forgiveness.
It took only a few years before I made the choice to fully convert to Christianity. As a result I received the gift of faith by grace.
It took another year and a half before I decided to stop sinning and submit to the Lord.
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5acac5 No.6305
>>5823
How is that a matter of opinion? You exclaimed "Jesus Christ" as an expletive.
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4d5676 No.6317
>>5804
>hypercalvinists over and over have come to the consistent conclusion that sharing the gospel is pointless, because they are determinists
I'm assuming that you consider all Calvinists to be 'Hypercalvinists'. But I don't know any Calvinist that believes that sharing the gospel is unimportant. Even though God knows who will be saved, we don't. Nothing can negate the great commission.
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07ae90 No.6318
>>6317
No I don't consider all calvinist to be hyper. There are plenty of evangelistic calvinists.
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083981 No.6324
>>6305
That's how it is a matter of opinion. Although the common idea is that it means using the Lord's name in curses or interjections, that's not at all clear from the original text. Lots of other explanations exist, including don't break an oath sworn in God's name, or don't make such an oath in the first place, or don't try to use God's name to conjure spirits, or don't tell lies in God's name by saying "God said fags are alright" for example.
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07ae90 No.6328
>>6324
What are you blabbering about?
"In vain"; in irreverent or disrespectful manner. That's what happened in the post in question.
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083981 No.6340
>>6328
"In vain" is a translation. I am telling you the multiple interpretations that exist. Learn to read you dumb nigger.
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07ae90 No.6342
>>6340
Show us a concordance with a competing definition, that permits using the Lord's name frivolously given that commandment
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12421b No.6350
>>6340
>takes the lords name in vain
>calls it a matter of opinion when corrected
>uncharitably calls poster a "dumb nigger" and tells him to learn to read
I donno dude, you seem questionable to me at the moment
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083981 No.6360
>>6350
IDs exist, figure them out.
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82c0c4 No.11939
>>5742
Yes and no.
Firstly it is a choice, although not yours but God's. Christ said to His disciples: "You haven't chosen chosen me, 'I' have chosen 'you' "
Then it's a matter if you follow the teachings and believe or not.
I personally have been an atheist for long time but one of my friends got baptised and he started talking to me and he kinda convinced me (to make very long story short). But later he and his friends told me, that they were praying for someone from their circle of acquaintances for God to pick one of them to focus on. And they prayed for that to happen like within a month (like: let this person be chosen in a month) and within that month I've had my first breakthrough.
So at least in my case it was totally not my choice in the beginning, but later I had to read Bible, accept Jesus as my saviour etc, it was much easier but I could see myself failing at some point then too.
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296644 No.11947
>>5742
No, id say faith isn't a choice, but to activately will it is. If that makes sense.
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