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e8ff34 No.1842 [Open thread]

Are there any works of philosophy that changed your life or your way of looking at the world, or at least had a significant impact on the two? If so, what were they?

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009f33 No.5720

I dunno most compatiblist writers had an impact on me whether from an agnostic perspective (Hobbes) or religious (Saints Augustine and Aquinas come to mind)

I like Kant's Idealism

Nietszche and Schopenhauer when I'm looking into the void, Kierkegaard to extent too

although I despise almost all Utilitarians, especially Epistemological ones. absolute cancer.

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009f33 No.5721

unpopular opinion: I hate Spinoza.

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13c782 No.6266

Tao Te Ching for sure, also Zhuangzi.. Great balancing influence for atomized western thinking IMO.

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c3852c No.6284

"The fourth way" by P. D. Ouspensky and "Non-violent communication" by Marshall Rosenberg made me realize that I'm living in a society perpetuated by guilt of the past.

Taking responsibility for my own actions without having to justify them or any unintentional discomfort they may cause in others and not letting the successes and failures of my ancestors affect my decision making.

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3e9e77 No.6288

Meditations: Marcus Aurelius

The Analects: Confucius

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4aefed No.5471 [Open thread]

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93334c No.5472

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>thinks he's smart (and to be fair, is pretty knowledgeable in some fields of science)

<I'm smart at [thing] so I must be smart at everything, including [other thing]

>isn't actually good at [other thing]

<The solution [to hacked systems] seems to me, to create unbreakable systems t. black science man

I guess it's just a form of the Dunning-Kruger effect,

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1c31a4 No.6275

We have a term for people like that in Swedish (Fackidiot = faculty retard) it's basically just a form of dunning-kruger effect where experts within a single field start to believe that they are experts in all the fields. You see this happen a lot with high profile hollywood actors who get into politics.

Learning when and when not to shut up is a form of intelligence all on it's own.

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>>6275

>Learning when and when not to shut up is a form of intelligence all on it's own.

More like a form of wisdom, but yes. Also, the more knowledgeable a person is in his field of study, the more he thinks he is qualified to speak on ethics, politics, economics, music, art, science, etc. But the thing is, nobody is exempt from the Dunning-Kruger. Our culture is a culture of narcissism where we are compelled to express our worthless and misinformed opinions on anything and everything. Everyone is a critic.

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06108e No.6271 [Open thread]

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fd7e2c No.1750 [Open thread]

I'm fairly new to philosophy and would appreciate it if someone could recommend me some books, lectures etc

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fd7e2c No.4516

>>3472

Why is the standard online encyclopedia hosted in Stanford on the west coast which isn't even that old of a university? You would think a philosophy wiki would be to the east at an older university.

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d7182b No.5350

Just start attempting to prove everything you believe. It doesn't matter if you actually finish, but act as if you intend to finish.

Don't forget to question your assumptions. And then your assumption's assumptions. And then your assumptions about what your assumptions are.

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17c49f No.5712

>>1750

>Start with the Greeks

Also Plutarch.

For the long answer it depends on what field of philosophy you are interested in. Starting in philosophy is like starting in science. The same way you do not science but you are interested in quantum physics or chemistry, the same way you do not philosophy, you can be into morality philosophy, political philosophy, metaphysics, art philosophy and many others. The same way that when you want to understand physics you start with at least a basic understanding of maths, the same way if you want to asses whether or not reality exist you start with the big greek classics; Plato, Aristotle, Epicurus, Marcus Aurelius. If you want easy stuff to start with you can start with political philosophy or morality philosophy, which is usually pretty down to earth so easier to follow: authors like; Machiavelli, Plutarch (his moral treatises), Montaigne.

If you want some hardcore shit that's gonna start with the basic stuff and blow your mind and are not afraid of reading... a lot... you can start with Kant, Plotinus, and if you can read french (I don't think this was ever translated in another language) "Commentaire de la logique d’Aristote" by Thomas d'Aquin

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d7d007 No.6267

Books: "Tao Te Ching" and "Passion of the Western Mind" (a kind of history of western thought).

Lectures: Stephen Hicks on Postmodernism (due to its strange and toxic influence on western society today), in a similar vien the work of Jordan Peterson on similar topics for similar reasons.

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760a19 No.6270

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>>6267

>Unironically suggesting Memerson

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e4c818 No.976 [Open thread]

Hi guys, I just found out about this board and there's something that has been puzzling my mind for a while, and I think that here I could perhaps get some help...

Ever since high school I always had a few friends who could understand the subjects we were taught with much more ease than I could, for example, as they could easily understand the abstract ideias presented and everything, and I always wondered, how did they do that?

Is it because they had a deeper understanding of logic itself than I did? If so, do you think that that can be worked, or is it just something you are born with?

Maybe logic doesn't even have anything to do with that, but I still feel that my undestanding of logic is lacking, so I ask you guys, do you have any starting points I could follow as to start developing my logic skills? Such as recommendations of books, websites, anything really, as I am really lost hahaha.

Picture related I suppose, just google image'd logic and that was the first thing that popped up.

Thank you for the attention
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e4c818 No.1452

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e4c818 No.1453

Perhaps this was merely an impression of yours, but it's hard to say what is it that concerns you. What subjects, in particular, you found in difficulty more often than your friends? Ask yourself this question first.

Your friends probably didn't have a "deeper" understanding of logic than you, but they could have had a more intuitive understanding of the subjects. Which is to say, for example, that they had a easier time following the steps of the a mathematical demonstration. This wasn't necessarily due to a familiarity with "logic", which is only a narrow field of knowledge, but rather their familiarity with definitions necessary to make such demonstrations, so that in their heads they were really "following" the teacher, rather than only being shown the steps.

Now, though I've said "logic" is only a particular field of knowledge, since you seem to be concerned with reasoning in general, there's no reason to avoid it. In fact, it might greatly beneficial. At a layman's level, Wikipedia suffices.

You could also try to dabble in philosophy, and to try to exercise your thought by understanding arguments. Platonic dialogues, though rather dull, portray philosophy in a very natural language, and characters present their viewpoints all in the form of arguments.

But really, anything you choose, so long as it's intellectually challenging, will be to your benefit.

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689ba5 No.5663

BUMP

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5ebea4 No.5672

Mathematics is the true performance of the brain. It requires constant discipline and evaluation, and its results are directly proportionate with the amount of effort you put into it.

Very similar to body building, you can’t expect a beginner to bench their own weight, and if you stick with it the results will be obvious quickly, but take a lifetime to perfect.

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c10159 No.6269

Firstly, IQ is a thing, and it is likely that your friends have higher IQ than yours (no offence), explaining their quicker learning. Not to say that you can't learn, but perhaps just not as quickly.

As for understanding logic, I have found that watching the videos of Stefan Molyneux and Tom Woods has helped me understand logic and debate much better than I did before (also good for basic understanding of the modern world IMO), you might check them out and see if they work for you. Others would suggest Sam Harris on this count as well.

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b729dd No.6087 [Open thread]

Is censoring fake news about yourself unethical?

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430126 No.6152

>>6087

No, not at all. Doesn't the idea of "censorship" already denote that the censored/suppressed news is actually true?

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c05ea7 No.6160

Censoring stuff isn't all bad; I wouldn't like to see the uncensored scarred body of a dead soldier on the news while having breakfast, for example.

What I'm not a fan of is censoring information other than photo/video, even if its bullshit. It's not unethical holding back false info, but in my opinion undoubtable fake news should be commented and corrected in an objective way instead of simply holding them back.

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4880c8 No.6220

>>6087

Go back to running the country and stop asking imageboards for help.

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62fe46 No.6221

>>6150

>law conforms to ethics

Law is in the interest of business.

On the surface I'd say no. Its unethical to spread fake news, so anything stemming an unethical practice is an ethical practice.

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c46e9b No.6261

Depends on how much violence (or threats of violence) is used in the censorship efforts IMO.. punishment fitting the crime and all that.

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2f92d6 No.6012 [Open thread]

I want to get into Carl Jung lads. Where do I begin?

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8f12b8 No.6042

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>>6012

Red Book. Some general texts on Gnosticism(s). The Wotan Myth. Or his Zarathustra lectures (then read Nietzche's.)

>>6033

>Also archetypes are just Jung's attempt to bastardize general concepts into mythology

The brainlet is strong itt. Imagining a Europe where Catharism supercedes the Protestant Reformation, and native European cosmologies are less reified and coopted as we see with Catholic syncreticsm through the alchemical/hermetic metaphor.

>bare minimum, intellectual history significant in phenomenology's rise in Germany/Europe through late 19th through 20th century

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6bce6c No.6053

>>6042

>brainlet

Severe projection. Go back.

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3d1775 No.6218

>>6053

He actually gave answers you are just a meme spouting McNobody

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c0cf1b No.6222

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>>6042

>Red Book

this

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2f65f8 No.6260

I would suggest Man and his Symbols (designed for the lay reader) or Memories, Dreams, Reflections (autobiography).

Tangentially, i find the audiobooks one of the few things that I can fall asleep to and wake up feeling relaxed (maybe some subconscious learning in there somehow?)..

Playlist of many of his audiobooks here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3r8woGW-0qQ&list=PLsRJj8fxd4zPhCKPZf43iTMn0eNV-32fJ , also see https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCWqv_8eLqnb4bxTV44QwvrQ/playlists for a discussion and reading of other Jungian works (Red book included).

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08cb73 No.5555 [Open thread][Last50 Posts]

What do you guys think of Jordan Peterson? The conservative who goes on about myths and the unknowability of truth while trying to blue pill the world.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/bloodyshovel.wordpress.com/2017/03/23/peterson-vs-harris-again/amp/

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f62b1b No.6219

>>5555

He is boring and does a lot more harm than good. His views on violence is spot on though.

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cac0bd No.6224

>>6164

The "missing responsibility" has nothing to do with any form of god/gods/religions. It's just that young dum-dums have sex without thinking about consequences. In best cases, they buy condoms. In other cases, they just make the child, leave to an orphanage and call it a day, no responsibility involved.

>If citizens could be called to responsibility for making babies with no way to legally get rid of it, would it be state tyranny?

^ i think he means that, not "Seek God"

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24020a No.6259

I have found JP very useful in providing red pills on feminism, post-modernism, and cultural marxism..

Also seems to be having an effect in fighting the shame-based infantilization & emasculation of men that government schools/media/universities have been pushing for decades now..

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de1b72 No.6440

>>6064

>>6075

>>6100

>complete lack of counter-argument to the post

>waaaaaah JP is wrong waaaaah i can't explain why

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33c763 No.6450

>>5648

>That is to say, Nietzsche had not a truth, but a perspective on the truth

You just prove that you know nothing about Nietzsche. He see truth as a convention between humans and not as the adequacy of the subject and the thing.

See On Truth and Lies in a Nonmoral Sense :

"A mobile army of metaphors, metonyms, and anthropomorphisms—in short, a sum of human relations which have been enhanced, transposed, and embellished poetically and rhetorically, and which after long use seem firm, canonical, and obligatory to a people: truths are illusions about which one has forgotten that this is what they are; metaphors which are worn out and without sensuous power; coins which have lost their pictures and now matter only as metal, no longer as coins. "

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55048a No.6021 [Open thread]

does such a thing exist? it strikes me as something that would be extraordinarily useful to any amateur looking to dip their foot in philosophy like myself, but the development of philosophy over time isnt something ive seen people make authoritative claims over, outside of the context of some specific narrative. i just want to understand some shit.

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8e5e1e No.6216

bump for map

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c85995 No.6217

great centrist graphic! I cannot hold strong convictions towards most ideas. Frustrating but satisfying at the same clip.

No map will help. Try picking up A Treasury of Philosophy (edited by Dagobert D Runes) to see what I mean.

All I can suggest is read, read, read. Finished reading? read more. Discuss if you are lucky enough to find someone that understands you after all that reading.

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cedccf No.6223

>>6217

>No map will help.

When is lack of structure ever helpful?

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a99c30 No.6251

>>6021

Not exactly what you're looking for, but you may want to read this:

https://www.lesserwrong.com/rationality

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fda42c No.2419 [Open thread][Last50 Posts]

Thoughts on stirner and spooks?

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fda42c No.5030

Stirner was a literal cuck and his philosophy never was about politics.

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fda42c No.5032

>>5030

>egoist

>cuck

pick one

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c5d914 No.6231

>>3119

>3rd one doesnt even explain his position

I mad.

>all taken on the same day

Impressive.jpeg

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be9312 No.6244

>>5030

why would you want politics in your philosophy

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e0cdb5 No.6248

>>5000

The same reason people like Diogenes.

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37dc95 No.6153 [Open thread]

Where do I start with reading on Baudrillard's theory of simulacra? "Simulacra and Simulacrum" seems too hard to grasp without background knowledge based on the first pages. Would reading "Symbolic Exchange & Death" be a better starting point? other suggestions?

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a1fc9e No.6169

>>6153

Jorges Luis Borges’ kingdom that constructed a perfect map was a lot more fun to read about. Baudrillard is a try hard hack- education was wasted on him.

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2404ad No.6170

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>>6169

I agree there are more fun books to read out there. Some of Baudrillard's writing style is downright painful. Maybe the original French is better?

I found value in Baudrillard's Simulacra and Simulation. I was reading semiotics texts around the same time and he added "color" to those studies. I wouldn't recommend intense study, but the ideas behind distortions of the precession of simulacra are fun to consider.

If the book is not your cup of tea, a careful listen to Lucier's I Am Sitting in a Room will get you in the same room with Baudrillard.

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f00654 No.6228

>>6168

>>6170

Thanks

>Some of Baudrillard's writing style is downright painful. Maybe the original French is better?

I read Spirit of Terrorism and Carnival&Cannibal in English, now I'm trying to read The Gulf War Didn't Take Place in French. While my French is definitely worse than my English, and i have to look up many words, I feel like grammatically it reads noticeably smoother than in English. But surely he's also just obtuse. I'm not even trying to grasp the meaning of every single sentence.

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272d75 No.6238

>"Simulacra and Simulacrum" seems too hard to grasp

How can you be this stupid?

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f00654 No.6246

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>>6238

>This representational imaginary, which both culminates in and is engulfed by the cartographer's mad project of an ideal coextensivity between the map and the territory, disappears with simulation, whose operation is nuclear and genetic, and no longer specular and discursive.

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66acfd No.593 [Open thread]

ITT: Talent-less hacks
I'll start with an easy one
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835f2d No.5737

>>711

nah only atheists are faggots, unless you're Nietzche. why do you think they love sucking a robot dick all time. heaven only knows when no one is looking they prefer it anally rather than orally.

that also being said, Bertrand Russell needs to be set on fire.

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835f2d No.5738

>>685

what makes you the judge of that?

>>>>r/iamverysmart

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6f9d52 No.5754

>>607

agreed ignoring the sarcasm. Analytical philosophy is der juden incarnate

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5c037c No.5797

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>>1153

I'd like to see you do better.

I'll wait to read your Philosophical principles and precepts, how they compare to Objectivism how your ideas are formulated and presented.

You criticise Ayn Rands method of defining Objectivism yet you fail to present one simple example of evidence to back up your statement.

It appears the method in which you have used to define your judgement is and I quote

"fucking trash".

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56a06f No.6240

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>Olavo de Carvalho

Think Zizek, but right-wing and, as most brazilians, absolutely pussywhipped.

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2182ab No.6234 [Open thread]

I have been thinking about some girl for a long time, at least 7 months now. I have been thinking about her, what she does, been worried when she is sick, all that stuff. But i can't explain to her the way i feel, i get confused everytime i am alone with her, and we end up talking about past life experiences, the people we have met, but i just can't start a conversion about the way i feel. I once began forming a sentence that she is messing up my thought when we are together, but then mid-sentence something in my mind produced really shitty scenes from relationships i have noticed among other people and the sentence ended with some gibberish without even being half-way. It's like there is a wall in my head that prevents me from saying some cheesy shit or expressing my feelings.

Other people around me see me a a ask-me-anything type of guy on every topic, but absolutely fucking emotionless. What do? Which philosopher should i read up?

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d8b6c0 No.6235

"Another possibility of such revelation [of beings as a whole] is concealed in our joy in the presence of Dasein--and not simply of the person--of a human being whom we love."

I know I should probably just tell you to go read Plato or something but I'm a faggot

Quote is from Heidegger's "What is Metaphysics?" and deals a lot with the totality of beings and the nothing (negation of totality of beings) and how it is possibly revealed through anxiety, boredom, or love. Love is the most cryptic section, I think. Maybe it's worth a read.

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de64eb No.6237

Interesting read for you:

Love Sick: Love as a Mental Illness by Dr. Frank Tallis

https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/156285.Love_Sick

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5302f0 No.5816 [Open thread]

Why is the majority of modern philosophy so awful? I feel like this started around the 1700's, with madmen like Marquis de Sade being touted around as "philosophers". It only got worse in the 1800's with philosophers like Marx coming about and basing their entire ideals on scientific theories (i.e. primitive communism) which were since superseded.

In the modern era philosophy seems to be mostly centred on the self; reality doesn't exist, don't care about others, happiness is the only thing that truly matters, etc. If it's not on the self, it's on the culture or the people, as with Marxist philosophies.

Why does it have to be this way?

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49ffee No.6045

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>>5816

>idk

KEEP PUSHING ON

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087e23 No.6151

Heidegger isn't awful, and he was 20th century

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c94d6f No.6158

>"In the modern era philosophy seems to be mostly centred on the self; reality doesn't exist, don't care about others, happiness is the only thing that truly matters, etc."

This differs significantly from early western philosophy (solipsism, egoism, hedonism, ect) how exactly? I fail to see how this is a symptom of "modern" philosophy rather than just some of the major recurring themes in the western tradition.

Also mate, just because you don't like whatever trends are in vogue at the moment doesn't mean that they are 'awful'. Really modern philosophy is actually quite well off these days as philosophy is no longer largely relegated to a privileged few and dissemination of ideas is basically cost free. Even with the dominance of natural philosophy you can still find authors publishing in just about every major school of thought.

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>>5938

>t was still believed that primitive humans lived in an ownershipless society, but since the 1880's science has changed and we now know that humans did have a sense of ownership over objects and land even during caveman times.

you're probably misunderstanding what marxists mean by property/ownership. it's about private ownership of the means of production, i.e. factories, machines and such. not about owning "objects" in the sense of your house or toothbrush. (= private and personal property respectively)

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409922 No.6191 [Open thread]

tell me what you think about

"Ones conscience involved in the world around it."

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409922 No.6199

>>6195

The English is correct, but either way what are you having a hard time understanding.

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06e5ab No.6200

>>6199

>"Ones conscience involved in the world around it."

"Ones conscience IS involved in the world around it."

Nevermind though, i wrote that post while still sleepy

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432cc7 No.6201

>>6200

The thought isn’t about the conscience in the world, it’s about the effect the conscience has on the “being” that is in the world.

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3d30ee No.6205

>>6200

Either statement leaves the impression of being a being a tautology, nothing more. Something to drop midway into a boozy conversation, or at the beginning of a multi-level marketing educational, or a dreadfully typical standardized undergraduate essay hook, etc.

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cd6480 No.6206

'Brain in a vat' memes are foolish. Our brains would be so much smaller if they were in vats, because all of the parts of the brain dedicated to bodily functions and facial recognition would be stripped away.

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