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2f92d6 No.6012 [Open thread]

I want to get into Carl Jung lads. Where do I begin?

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8f12b8 No.6042

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>>6012

Red Book. Some general texts on Gnosticism(s). The Wotan Myth. Or his Zarathustra lectures (then read Nietzche's.)

>>6033

>Also archetypes are just Jung's attempt to bastardize general concepts into mythology

The brainlet is strong itt. Imagining a Europe where Catharism supercedes the Protestant Reformation, and native European cosmologies are less reified and coopted as we see with Catholic syncreticsm through the alchemical/hermetic metaphor.

>bare minimum, intellectual history significant in phenomenology's rise in Germany/Europe through late 19th through 20th century

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6bce6c No.6053

>>6042

>brainlet

Severe projection. Go back.

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3d1775 No.6218

>>6053

He actually gave answers you are just a meme spouting McNobody

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c0cf1b No.6222

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>>6042

>Red Book

this

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2f65f8 No.6260

I would suggest Man and his Symbols (designed for the lay reader) or Memories, Dreams, Reflections (autobiography).

Tangentially, i find the audiobooks one of the few things that I can fall asleep to and wake up feeling relaxed (maybe some subconscious learning in there somehow?)..

Playlist of many of his audiobooks here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3r8woGW-0qQ&list=PLsRJj8fxd4zPhCKPZf43iTMn0eNV-32fJ , also see https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCWqv_8eLqnb4bxTV44QwvrQ/playlists for a discussion and reading of other Jungian works (Red book included).

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08cb73 No.5555 [Open thread][Last50 Posts]

What do you guys think of Jordan Peterson? The conservative who goes on about myths and the unknowability of truth while trying to blue pill the world.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/bloodyshovel.wordpress.com/2017/03/23/peterson-vs-harris-again/amp/

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f62b1b No.6219

>>5555

He is boring and does a lot more harm than good. His views on violence is spot on though.

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cac0bd No.6224

>>6164

The "missing responsibility" has nothing to do with any form of god/gods/religions. It's just that young dum-dums have sex without thinking about consequences. In best cases, they buy condoms. In other cases, they just make the child, leave to an orphanage and call it a day, no responsibility involved.

>If citizens could be called to responsibility for making babies with no way to legally get rid of it, would it be state tyranny?

^ i think he means that, not "Seek God"

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24020a No.6259

I have found JP very useful in providing red pills on feminism, post-modernism, and cultural marxism..

Also seems to be having an effect in fighting the shame-based infantilization & emasculation of men that government schools/media/universities have been pushing for decades now..

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de1b72 No.6440

>>6064

>>6075

>>6100

>complete lack of counter-argument to the post

>waaaaaah JP is wrong waaaaah i can't explain why

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33c763 No.6450

>>5648

>That is to say, Nietzsche had not a truth, but a perspective on the truth

You just prove that you know nothing about Nietzsche. He see truth as a convention between humans and not as the adequacy of the subject and the thing.

See On Truth and Lies in a Nonmoral Sense :

"A mobile army of metaphors, metonyms, and anthropomorphisms—in short, a sum of human relations which have been enhanced, transposed, and embellished poetically and rhetorically, and which after long use seem firm, canonical, and obligatory to a people: truths are illusions about which one has forgotten that this is what they are; metaphors which are worn out and without sensuous power; coins which have lost their pictures and now matter only as metal, no longer as coins. "

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55048a No.6021 [Open thread]

does such a thing exist? it strikes me as something that would be extraordinarily useful to any amateur looking to dip their foot in philosophy like myself, but the development of philosophy over time isnt something ive seen people make authoritative claims over, outside of the context of some specific narrative. i just want to understand some shit.

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8e5e1e No.6216

bump for map

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c85995 No.6217

great centrist graphic! I cannot hold strong convictions towards most ideas. Frustrating but satisfying at the same clip.

No map will help. Try picking up A Treasury of Philosophy (edited by Dagobert D Runes) to see what I mean.

All I can suggest is read, read, read. Finished reading? read more. Discuss if you are lucky enough to find someone that understands you after all that reading.

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cedccf No.6223

>>6217

>No map will help.

When is lack of structure ever helpful?

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a99c30 No.6251

>>6021

Not exactly what you're looking for, but you may want to read this:

https://www.lesserwrong.com/rationality

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fda42c No.2419 [Open thread][Last50 Posts]

Thoughts on stirner and spooks?

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fda42c No.5030

Stirner was a literal cuck and his philosophy never was about politics.

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fda42c No.5032

>>5030

>egoist

>cuck

pick one

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c5d914 No.6231

>>3119

>3rd one doesnt even explain his position

I mad.

>all taken on the same day

Impressive.jpeg

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be9312 No.6244

>>5030

why would you want politics in your philosophy

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e0cdb5 No.6248

>>5000

The same reason people like Diogenes.

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37dc95 No.6153 [Open thread]

Where do I start with reading on Baudrillard's theory of simulacra? "Simulacra and Simulacrum" seems too hard to grasp without background knowledge based on the first pages. Would reading "Symbolic Exchange & Death" be a better starting point? other suggestions?

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a1fc9e No.6169

>>6153

Jorges Luis Borges’ kingdom that constructed a perfect map was a lot more fun to read about. Baudrillard is a try hard hack- education was wasted on him.

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2404ad No.6170

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>>6169

I agree there are more fun books to read out there. Some of Baudrillard's writing style is downright painful. Maybe the original French is better?

I found value in Baudrillard's Simulacra and Simulation. I was reading semiotics texts around the same time and he added "color" to those studies. I wouldn't recommend intense study, but the ideas behind distortions of the precession of simulacra are fun to consider.

If the book is not your cup of tea, a careful listen to Lucier's I Am Sitting in a Room will get you in the same room with Baudrillard.

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f00654 No.6228

>>6168

>>6170

Thanks

>Some of Baudrillard's writing style is downright painful. Maybe the original French is better?

I read Spirit of Terrorism and Carnival&Cannibal in English, now I'm trying to read The Gulf War Didn't Take Place in French. While my French is definitely worse than my English, and i have to look up many words, I feel like grammatically it reads noticeably smoother than in English. But surely he's also just obtuse. I'm not even trying to grasp the meaning of every single sentence.

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272d75 No.6238

>"Simulacra and Simulacrum" seems too hard to grasp

How can you be this stupid?

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f00654 No.6246

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>>6238

>This representational imaginary, which both culminates in and is engulfed by the cartographer's mad project of an ideal coextensivity between the map and the territory, disappears with simulation, whose operation is nuclear and genetic, and no longer specular and discursive.

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66acfd No.593 [Open thread]

ITT: Talent-less hacks
I'll start with an easy one
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835f2d No.5737

>>711

nah only atheists are faggots, unless you're Nietzche. why do you think they love sucking a robot dick all time. heaven only knows when no one is looking they prefer it anally rather than orally.

that also being said, Bertrand Russell needs to be set on fire.

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835f2d No.5738

>>685

what makes you the judge of that?

>>>>r/iamverysmart

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6f9d52 No.5754

>>607

agreed ignoring the sarcasm. Analytical philosophy is der juden incarnate

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5c037c No.5797

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>>1153

I'd like to see you do better.

I'll wait to read your Philosophical principles and precepts, how they compare to Objectivism how your ideas are formulated and presented.

You criticise Ayn Rands method of defining Objectivism yet you fail to present one simple example of evidence to back up your statement.

It appears the method in which you have used to define your judgement is and I quote

"fucking trash".

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56a06f No.6240

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>Olavo de Carvalho

Think Zizek, but right-wing and, as most brazilians, absolutely pussywhipped.

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2182ab No.6234 [Open thread]

I have been thinking about some girl for a long time, at least 7 months now. I have been thinking about her, what she does, been worried when she is sick, all that stuff. But i can't explain to her the way i feel, i get confused everytime i am alone with her, and we end up talking about past life experiences, the people we have met, but i just can't start a conversion about the way i feel. I once began forming a sentence that she is messing up my thought when we are together, but then mid-sentence something in my mind produced really shitty scenes from relationships i have noticed among other people and the sentence ended with some gibberish without even being half-way. It's like there is a wall in my head that prevents me from saying some cheesy shit or expressing my feelings.

Other people around me see me a a ask-me-anything type of guy on every topic, but absolutely fucking emotionless. What do? Which philosopher should i read up?

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d8b6c0 No.6235

"Another possibility of such revelation [of beings as a whole] is concealed in our joy in the presence of Dasein--and not simply of the person--of a human being whom we love."

I know I should probably just tell you to go read Plato or something but I'm a faggot

Quote is from Heidegger's "What is Metaphysics?" and deals a lot with the totality of beings and the nothing (negation of totality of beings) and how it is possibly revealed through anxiety, boredom, or love. Love is the most cryptic section, I think. Maybe it's worth a read.

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de64eb No.6237

Interesting read for you:

Love Sick: Love as a Mental Illness by Dr. Frank Tallis

https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/156285.Love_Sick

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5302f0 No.5816 [Open thread]

Why is the majority of modern philosophy so awful? I feel like this started around the 1700's, with madmen like Marquis de Sade being touted around as "philosophers". It only got worse in the 1800's with philosophers like Marx coming about and basing their entire ideals on scientific theories (i.e. primitive communism) which were since superseded.

In the modern era philosophy seems to be mostly centred on the self; reality doesn't exist, don't care about others, happiness is the only thing that truly matters, etc. If it's not on the self, it's on the culture or the people, as with Marxist philosophies.

Why does it have to be this way?

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49ffee No.6045

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>>5816

>idk

KEEP PUSHING ON

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087e23 No.6151

Heidegger isn't awful, and he was 20th century

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c94d6f No.6158

>"In the modern era philosophy seems to be mostly centred on the self; reality doesn't exist, don't care about others, happiness is the only thing that truly matters, etc."

This differs significantly from early western philosophy (solipsism, egoism, hedonism, ect) how exactly? I fail to see how this is a symptom of "modern" philosophy rather than just some of the major recurring themes in the western tradition.

Also mate, just because you don't like whatever trends are in vogue at the moment doesn't mean that they are 'awful'. Really modern philosophy is actually quite well off these days as philosophy is no longer largely relegated to a privileged few and dissemination of ideas is basically cost free. Even with the dominance of natural philosophy you can still find authors publishing in just about every major school of thought.

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ed85af No.6162

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7a94e2 No.6227

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>>5938

>t was still believed that primitive humans lived in an ownershipless society, but since the 1880's science has changed and we now know that humans did have a sense of ownership over objects and land even during caveman times.

you're probably misunderstanding what marxists mean by property/ownership. it's about private ownership of the means of production, i.e. factories, machines and such. not about owning "objects" in the sense of your house or toothbrush. (= private and personal property respectively)

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409922 No.6191 [Open thread]

tell me what you think about

"Ones conscience involved in the world around it."

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409922 No.6199

>>6195

The English is correct, but either way what are you having a hard time understanding.

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06e5ab No.6200

>>6199

>"Ones conscience involved in the world around it."

"Ones conscience IS involved in the world around it."

Nevermind though, i wrote that post while still sleepy

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432cc7 No.6201

>>6200

The thought isn’t about the conscience in the world, it’s about the effect the conscience has on the “being” that is in the world.

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3d30ee No.6205

>>6200

Either statement leaves the impression of being a being a tautology, nothing more. Something to drop midway into a boozy conversation, or at the beginning of a multi-level marketing educational, or a dreadfully typical standardized undergraduate essay hook, etc.

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cd6480 No.6206

'Brain in a vat' memes are foolish. Our brains would be so much smaller if they were in vats, because all of the parts of the brain dedicated to bodily functions and facial recognition would be stripped away.

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cb5232 No.6135 [Open thread]

Hi anons, I have noticed something that most philosophers I know of are not talking about, at least resembling the way I am going to.

This has become increasingly obvious to the point of being quite painful to watch, every time it happens.

First I'm gonna lay out two concepts, and with every word I am using, I am not referring to the academic definition of that word, I'm going with common dictionary definitions.

Now, as I see it, there are two ways or techniques that people have argued a point in the past, and continue, to this day. The problem is that one of these has been used, in recent times, to a point of extreme unbalance.

The first way of arguing, I'll call something like foundationalism, or constructionism.

In this method, a person starts with the most simple, applicable, and prominent aspects of reality. In this method, a person uses truisms, laws of the universe, and very simple and effective reason to make their argument. They start with simple concepts, where there can really be no misinterpretation of meaning, and every concept they introduce is resting of the foundation of principles and laws that are so simple as to be common sense, or unmistakable. Any higher level concepts they introduce, any higher levels of abstraction, must rest firmly on these common sense principles and laws, and be clearly defined by these unmistakable terms.

In this way, the argument is constructed like a pyramid, with every level firmly resting and being supported by every layer below it, and every next higher layer is set upon the existing solid proofed structure, and is placed in a meaningful and supportive way, as an architect would be planning what he can put on the next story up, given what supports and walls and utilities are directly below it. In this way, the method builds layer upon sodlid layer, until eventually reaching the cap stone, the pinnacle of the argument.

The other method is quite easier to explain, because of how loose it is. This method I would call somethingPost too long. Click here to view the full text.

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cb5232 No.6136

perhaps "substructionism" for method #2

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0435f2 No.6138

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Could you try to describe the 2nd method differently? I'm having trouble understanding.

Also I think the first method isn't necessarily a rock solid one. If the capstone proof you build towards is not reasonable than it indicates that the "simple universal truisms" were not universal and that there are exceptions or else you would not have reached a fallacious conclusion. Perhaps its a useful method of poking holes in bedrock assumptions.

There can also be contradictory "simple truisms". For example the lolbergs construct all their views off the foundation that "its always wrong to initiate violence against another person", and this seems like an obvious concept, but this is an enlightenment idea that has no basis in how humans have behaved for the preceding 2 million years of hominid history. The more fundamental truism that runs contradictory to the above truism is that "you must survive, reproduce, and assist your family/tribe in performing those functions". And the set of conclusions you reach from that truism are entirely different than of the first truism.

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3a6e42 No.6166

>>6135

I think that with the second one you described the way i see language teaching in schools these days. You are just assumed to remember every little detail the teacher and books have tried to teach you. They do not care if you miss a step, they just go on without you. Of if you tag along, you end up with no foundation to keep building your language skill on, being stuck in an endless loop of "i know that this grammar rule works like it does because teacher said so, not because i know or understand why". Which is why i'm 21, been learning russian since 12 and can only read it fluently, but not understand jack shit

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188af9 No.6198

For the first part, the reason is largely that you can't prove very much from first principles*, not even mathematically thanks kurt "buzzkill" gödel so trying to be rigorous is super-boring and frustrating when you can just start from your conclusion and hand wave your way through the hazy parts of your reasoning like you seem to be describing in method 2.

*no, shut up renee descartes

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9ef693 No.6183 [Open thread]

I'd like to read Spengler's The Decline of the West. I can borrow an English translation of it by Charles Francis Atkinson, published in 1926.

Will I be set to just 'jump in' to Spengler's work or do I need to slog my way through the Greeks, Nietzsche, Hegel, Schopenhauer etc. first?

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435eb5 No.6187

>>6183

Just read it, any beggining is fine

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9ef693 No.6189

>>6187

Okay, thanks mate.

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8e27a9 No.1454 [Open thread]

was Socrates black?

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2357a7 No.6120

>>1454

Does it matter?

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c3d1e3 No.6124

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05800c No.6131

>>1454

Sure, whatever.

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0fc642 No.6154

"Is it okay to kill people?"

>7 replies

"Was Socrates black?"

>27 replies

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0fc642 No.6155

>>5557

>/pol/ is only "politics"

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efe9c7 No.1895 [Open thread]

Let's start with Lain.

>existentialist themes

>post-modern themes

>alienation themes

>cyberpunk themes

Plot:

>girl falls into the internet

>meets the God of the internet

>questions God

>questions ontology

>questions Epistemology/what is true vs what is believed

>questions wheter if enough people believe something it can become true

>questions [spoiler] how a God who used to be human could have become a God unless he was created by someone higher.

>realizes she made him and is actually the real God of the internet

>deletes herself from existence for the better good, so she won't be tempted to meddle with and harm a lesser species.

[/spoiler]

How would you classify Serial Experiments in Lain? Are there any other good anime for thinkers?

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0ee0bd No.6066

>>6063

there's a 90% chance you're a weaboo

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4dfcb7 No.6068

Psycho pass

>morality and order (the girl mc)

>truth seeking greenpills in two versions: chaos and order

>sibyl system caused said seekers to clash among each other to protect the truth

>only recent cyberpunk theme so far

good stuff

preview:

>chaos fag gave weapon to mc while having hostage of her friend

>moralfag can't save her friend didn't want to dirty her hands

>???

lol

overall the show is shitilly one-sided but explains a lot.

dogs will be dogs.

>>4803

I believe Lain is a bit pandering though I like the aesthetic. Not really philosophical but actually out of all animes I've watched so far - really dismantled the "ego" concept and ascension bullshit. More like "The Matrix" kind of anime.

also

>theory salad

>unexplained scenes like her sister babbling and seeing some shit

Horror/10

AI fags

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4dfcb7 No.6069

>>6068

Also the only interesting character in psycho pass talked about "free will" many times.

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47d9a3 No.6129

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>>6068

>unexplained scenes like her sister babbling and seeing some shit

Those scenes start making a bit more sense when you realise that Her family isnt an actual family and that her sister was just an earlier attempt to create a 'lain' in the real world.

The scenes are basically the failed experiment not being able to maintain cohesion or stability as the wired starts melding with the wired and Lain starts gaining influence.

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a16fd2 No.6159

Kafka's, a country doctor by yamamura. It's just an adaptation of Kafka so it's got it's existentialist street cred. It's a decent adaptation if you can handle somewhat experimental animation.

Ghost in the shell (1995)

Kind of basic and by the book philosophically, but classic anime, great animation, and of course one of the main visual works that established the feel of the cyberpunk aesthetic along with Bladerunner

Haibane Renmei

Mild surrealism, angst, and existentialism wrapped up in a slice of life. Not overtly philosophical, but what little is there is important.

>>2995

Eva (tv) is Freud plus Positive psychology 101 shoved into a contrarian("deconstructionist") mecha show.

End of Evangalon ep 1 is Biblical symbolism cliffs notes and Freudian bullshit dialed up to 11.

EoE ep 2 is just Anno screaming at the viewer "GET A LIFE YOU IMMATURE DELUSIONAL VIRGIN OTAKU LOSERS!!!!"

That last one is actually what makes Eva valuable IMO, it's rare to watch something where the director so clearly holds his audience in contempt.

>>6068

>unexplained scenes like her sister babbling and seeing some shit

You mean the one in the diner? If I recall correctly there was a companion scene to that one, where it was further implied that the "sister" wasn't actually real, but maybe another aspect of lain/or other entity existing in the wired. (I can't find the screenshot but I believe there was a scene that was just like the first, excepting the sister had already disappeared, and the "messages" she saw in the first scene appeared on someone's cell phone. Nonlinear narrative and all that.)

Anyways, while there weren't really clear explanations for everything, I thinPost too long. Click here to view the full text.

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7b778c No.5819 [Open thread]

What's /philosophy/'s opinion on stoicism? Is it good the way it is, or is it bad?

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df0340 No.6111

>>6110

So... not apathy at all?

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7f8a10 No.6118

>>6110

That is so cherry picked to fit into that reactionary anti-tumblr mindset on imageboards.

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f10b94 No.6123

>>5992

What?

Good and bad are not the same as Good and Evil. I was referring to judgments based on personal opinion.

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d414d4 No.6127

>>6123

Things being Good(R) and Bad(R) are not the same as being good or bad.

Could not agree more. Sometimes it feels so good to do Bad(R) things.

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3e725e No.6128

Stoicism negative visualization when brought into words can be very annoying.

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7550fe No.6097 [Open thread]

Are finns white?

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cfc02c No.6098

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>>6097

Not philosophical.

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1a9873 No.6099

Metaphysically? ... perhaps by some theories.

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