/philosophy/ -Philosophy

>>6324>>6326

god would be the sum of all humans not one individual human

but one could argue that an individual human might be god to/of the cells of his particular body using my same logic

its basically like the difference between egoism and altruism: scale

>>6322

that said im pretty sure ur scale of god might be broader and thats fine god is infinite scale does not confine him, yet humans are bound to the finite so before we ascend we need to unite on our current scale.

Man created God in his own image.

No.

>>6302

Define God.

Define Humanity,

I refuse to be dissuaded from reality by your fantastical machinations. Just because something changes doesn't mean it's not real. One moment, I'm feeling like a bird in the sky, and in the next I can be in the gutters of misery and despair. Do you deny the existence of these feelings? Are they not real?

I also find it odd, the idea that a perfect eternal entity would create a dreamworld to escape its boring existence. It can't be perfect if it's bored, I say.

1. Objectivism is regurgitated communism for people who don't like communism.

2. You began your post addressing arguments against Objectivism without explaining what it was.

>>6593

>2

I was assuming people had a relatively solid grasp on what it was they were rejecting outright

>1

what

>what is Objectivism

It's a philosophy.

Metaphysics:

Existence is as it is.

Contradictions can't exist

Epistemology:

Man is fallible, conceptual, volitional.

Taking fallibility into account, one can still be certain. Certainty simply describes the best possible state of knowledge - and one can achieve it via logical differentiation and integration.

Ethics:

Achieving one's own rational self-interest/happiness is one's moral purpose.

Ethics (social context):

You should view others as prospective traders.

You should be honest and supportive towards your good traders (in your own interest).

Politics:

The purpose of government is the protection of individual rights and the settling of disputes.

In other words:

Government guarantees that humans may live the human life (i.e. in accordance with their nature)

Aesthetics:

Art ought to idealize reality realistically.

>>6594

The market is an ideal circumstance in which we are all both trader and ware. It's crystallized liberalism. It's also a lot like marxism, basing the entirety of the world upon abstracted if A then B, if B then A formulas that form a circular closed loop. The great contradiction being that this leaves us with no freedom whatsoever, as we are bound to equalizing ourselves with the conclusions of said formulas; the Rand cult was, certainly in practice, a typical one in this.

>>6595

>we are 'ware' on the markets

I mean, in terms of jobs (trade relationships), but it's not like we're slaves

>everything is like 'if A then B' and vice versa

Oist epistemology doesn't purely make use of deduction. Oism, like Aristotle, embraces induction. The Oist understanding of induction is this:

Whenever you get one new fact from your senses or your experience - you integrate it with the whole of your knowledge. Your brain does the rest and effectively that new fact ends up conflicting/integrating with all knowledge that doesn't line up with that particular fact.

You are basically re-evaluating how everything is all the time. There is no 'set in stone' how everything is. There is only your current integration of all the facts you ever experienced.

You are the final judge of the truth.

(We do however say that, even though this is so, facts and concepts are objective - because the material by the senses is objective and objective facts form concepts)

Respects natural rights and freedom, which is important for individual growth and free societies.. Can be a bit too "individualistic" though, people without healthy community/familial ties tend not to thrive.

Libertarianism is my ideal system, but I've come to the conclusion that massive work is necessary to undo the dramatic changes inflicted upon society by the state before we can construct a viable alternative. Additionally, a libertarian society would not survive if it was full of the hyperindividualists that make up much of the movement at present. I think some degree of "collectivism" is necessary to maintain a functional civilization, although I could do without compulsion.

the big gay and jewish af

>>6614

xD

>>5015

/pol/->

>>5002

Full of spooks

>>6542

>nobility and chivalry

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also gb2 >>>/pol/

It bred capitalism

>>6546

>>6602

02 you haven't read Marx, 46 go commit >>>/suicide/

>>6606

Marx is gay, Bakunin and Proudhon are better. How about no, and I kill you instead?

>No Stirner or Rand

Nigger what do you want then?

>>6605

Faggot, non-objectivist, non-altruistic self-interest. Is Epicurus close? Sextus Empircus? And I'm not your Nigger.

Well, you are a human born in 21st century combine that with cultural, environmental, geographical, religious, sexual, racial and many other factors beyond your control it stands to reason that whatever free will you may have it is heavily contested and compromised by the circumstances that have been forced upon you.

So even if you were able to break away from your current situation would you still be free or just the product of the times, culture and circumstances you came from?

There is no such thing as free will in this reality. It is as though we live in a binary equation. 1's and zero's . We have up or down. right or left. dark to light. you can go on forever in pairs. a part and its counter part. Therefore how can one truly have free-will, if one always has to make a choice given to him based on the parameters of a dimensional hierarchy that most are unable to even comprehend; much less manipulate. It is a researched fact that the sub-conscious makes decisions before we are consciously aware of the decision. Therefore life in a sense is drawn out for us based on our inner most desires and wants. You really do get what you want, but most people have not the slightest clue as to what they really want. They are lost in a consumerist society where they lust after a item they know nothing about. Money would not exist if there was no debt and the U.S Dollar is the number one exported good in america and is responsible for the past 30 years of war because of this little known fact. To say we have free will is almost laughable. We don't know what free will would even begin to feel like. Most would reject it because most like having their hands held. Free Will died with our dreams a long time ago

>>6582

You really need to go back to reddit

>>6529

No, monogamy is a man made social construct backed by loegal proceedings. Where are the marital contracts for wolves? what court upholds wolf marriage? where are the churches for wolves to marry in?

It's possible in some countries to get married to an animal, btw.

>>6548

I didn't say marriage explicitly but something similar to it might be, and if it's man-made is it necessary bad? I mean other man-made things are laws, education, nations, not dying at age 30, etc.

>>6548

Technically some animals have only one partner but only because of specific environments I don't think apply to humans.

Polyamory is just an excuse for women to whore around, nothing more nothing less

>>6531

And for good reason.

Affect.

Someone explain to me the fucking point of reincarnation if I don't remember it.

>>6410

Shit I thought I caught all my errors. Then again my post could've been done a little better.

>>6413

It depends if you look at it through a religious or secular lens. In Buddhism/Hinduism you keep on dying and coming back, until you reach enlightenment and end the cycle by going to Nirvana. As for the secular view, I believe it's due to laws of thermodynamics, mainly the first and second laws.

I have no idea what you're saying but I'm going to hijack the thread to call out the anon on this board who told me to listen to "Great Idea of Philosophy" by Prof. Daniel N. Robinson.

I skipped to the last audio track and he's a theist. His last few sentences are moronic. What we need is a philosopher who is an atheist to record a 60 track CD for profit to counter this over hyped romantic who thinks humanity deserves pain, and who who hates skepticism.

Every time I come to this board, every few weeks or so, I come expecting that there will be no new threads or posts. Despite how dead it is, that still often isn't the case. But I still hold hopes for the future.

Many of that which you state is paradoxical and a contradiction to other words... you can not prove true nihilism/whateverthefuckyoubelieve

>>6537

By Darwinian, I meant the sole purpose of life is to pass on your genes by producing offspring.

>>6156

No. Read Stirner.

t. egoist anarchist

>>6539

Yes, and you need wealth and reputation to help your children pass their genes in the future by using them.

>>6547

>stirnerism as anything but consistent nihilism

Lol

>>6396

>implying the workers didn't build that with their labour

Lumpenprole detected

>>6408

>He has got a degree so I am not allowed to question him though

>appeal to authority

>defeatism

>>6416

Evolution is a self-defeating nonsensical Jewish concept

>>6560

faggot

>>>/pol/11638728

>>>/pol/11638732

>>6454

Anon, you're amazing paranoid, at least argue against the points made against your pictures, you're making everyone who understands the secret Saturn worship look bad, like me.

>>6320

It is an incoherent mishmash of ideas with no through line but, rather, several arguments with no cohesive holistic argument.

>Trying to tie politics into religion should be it's own argument.

>Trying to tie politics into race should be it's own argument.

>Trying to tie religion into internet culture should be it's own argument.

>Symbology doesn't tie into any of previously mentioned topics.

>Neither does trying to tie gnosticism together with internet culture.

Although I must say, as a collage, it really is quite representative of out times, no?

Trying to find cohesive spirituality and meaning in a vapid, meaningless and oversaturated culture.

But there's already a cure for that, atleast for a start , pry your fat ass away from the computer and take a walk.

Race exists and globalists do, but religion is bullshit.

>>6449

Sam Harris locked his ass in the Vancouver debate

If you want to do something, you do it! - dad

Imagine a group of people jogging together. It is not a straight line but a cluster of joggers. There is a leader and the leader does exercises while jogging and the other joggers follow the leader.

The leader does every exercise for 10 seconds. The person that is last can not see the leader. The person who is last has to see what the person in front of them is doing to know which exercise is next. Same goes for the person in front of that person and so on...

When the leader starts a new exercise the person who is last has just begun the last exercise but they will still do it for the same amount of time, the new exercise still needs to reach them, which will be 10 seconds.

Not really a citation but if you analyze is you will get it

>>6512

Ah, yes I can see the moral now. In a pitiless, pointless cosmos, what's the point of jogging when you could be fucking? You can't get left behind if you're coupled to the group's toot-train, what an eye opening and brilliant parable.

>>5401

>Money traditionally acquires value because all citizens require it to pay the government.

Anarchist believes government propaganda. Wew lad.

http://nakamotoinstitute.org/shelling-out/

>>5401

>I meant Bitcoin

AND you're on about the labour theory of value. Please tell me you're a troll/shill and not genuinely that dumb.

>>5402

>I don't remember how it works

That's okay, it was just some clay-footed authority speaking ex cathedra.

Read the links.

>>5406

>AND you're on about the labour theory of value

What the fuck do you mean? Did you misunderstand what I mean by "Bitcoins are numbers" or something?

>>5407

It's called proof of work not proof of value, which is good, as value is not provable. If it was we wouldn't have to use money to measure it. Bitcoin? Pff, Sisyphus dollar. As if all the worthless altcoins weren't also 'backed' by complex math.

>>5165

Mandom

It may not be subjective.

You also may not ever truly be yourself.

Understanding the biological body you reside in is not you is a start.