b22ffa No.6156
Are atheism and nihilism mutually inclusive?
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36aa50 No.6163
Not necessarily.
It seems quite possible that there is someone out there that believes that we were all created by a godly entity but that we do not have purpose attached to us.
Or vice versa in that there is no creator but everything still has its own purpose.(Though one would need something else to support it around.'Lel Determinism' would probably be the common choice in such a case.)
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16727d No.6165
No.
I am not nihilistic, i belive that i make my own purpose in life. Purpose of life is to have at least 2 children and not die poor. Extra good boy points for having someone to remember you fondly after you die. Whatever happens inbetween does not matter. Just be a good human.
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b22ffa No.6167
>>6163
>'Lel Determinism' would probably be the common choice in such a case.
Doesn't determinism also postulate an ordered universe, which can only be governed by a transcendent being or principle? That's like a self-proclaimed atheist unironically believing in Karma, or saying something like "what goes around, comes around." People like that aren't real atheists.
>>6165
>make my own purpose in life
>Purpose of life is to have at least 2 children and not die poor
You think you made your own purpose? You are only doing what society expects you to do!
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f9a4b7 No.6173
>>6167
>Society expects you to do
Do you really belive society cares what do you do? I do not. Society rarely gives a crap about anything but their primal desires and trends, which they abandon once the next one comes up.
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36aa50 No.6178
>>6167
>People like that aren't real atheists.
To be honest the word determinism is just there because it is the first example that popped into my head of an 'atheist' I know trying to denounce nihilism.I realise that it isnt that foolproof hence the fact that it is in quotes and has the word lel in it.
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134917 No.6179
>>6167
>That's like a self-proclaimed atheist unironically believing in Karma
Excuse me? Atheism refers only to those who prefer to NOT belive in any god, especialy the Christian one. Karma is not considered a god, karma is considered just the way nature works. And not, nature does not become god in that case, nature is just nature. It's dumb, has more ways to kill you than you belive, brings food to your table, and it sometimes makes biology happen.
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b22ffa No.6180
>>6179
>Karma is not considered a god, karma is considered just the way nature works
lol no. Karma is the metaphysical result of one's actions whether they are in accordance with that person's inner law (Dharma) or not. I will reiterate that this implies a an ordered universe governed by a transcendent metaphysic, the Absolute Reality (Brahman). believing in Karma without believing in a transcendent metaphysic is merely superstition at best.
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f9a4b7 No.6181
>>6180
In that case, i know plenty of superstitious people. Kinda including myself too.
Your view on Karma is that it's reinforced by transcendal force? Cool, i accept your different and slightly more complicated theory. I wish i could continue to elaborate on that, but i have nothing to prove by going in an argument.
Anon's observation on atheists: There are no 100% atheists, literally everyone belives in some superstition or unexplainable forces. Why? Because not everything in life can be explained with reason or coincidence. So to not have to leave shit unexplained, brains automatically seek simple explanation, as that is how our brains work. And that simple explanation can be the wildest of things, including some totally made up crap not related to anything that i have knowledge of.
Thus the Karma comes into play again. Quite many belive in it, but in the most basic form: Karma is a principle in nature (like i posted earlier), not some higher being.
Can a belief in some force/being be wrong, if it's different enough from the original/intended? Is it a different religion then? Like how Christians began as a side thing from early Jews?
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b22ffa No.6182
>>6181
> Quite many belive in it, but in the most basic form: Karma is a principle in nature (like i posted earlier)
It is not *my* personal belief or theory that karma is the metaphysical result of one's actions; it's what Hindus actually believe. Reducing it to a principle of nature betrays your ignorance on Hinduism, which I don't blame you for it. Westerners for the life of them, can't learn the doctrines of Eastern traditions without butchering them in the process. The intellectual disconnect between the East and the West is so bad that in order for it to interpret the the Eastern texts, they have to interpret it through a Western lens. This is why the only things the West got out of Hinduism were breathing and contortionist exercises, and new age manuals on improving your sex life.
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551e47 No.6194
>>6167
>Doesn't determinism also postulate an ordered universe, which can only be governed by a transcendent being or principle?
So believing in Newtonian physics Is the same as believing in God to you?
>>6182
Not him, but I was under the impression that much of the eastern religions, lacking the same sort of centralized governing bodies as western religions had, experienced many more schisms and a larger plurality of beliefs among the practicing. And as such there was not much discernible rigid doctrinal adherence among the population at large or even among many of the self appointed holy men. (Not that that is hugely different than western religions at this point mind you)
Have I been misinformed? Elsewise how do you discern the beliefs of the hindoos as a group? I am not being facetious here, I am genuinely curious. If you could educate on the subject I'd be much obliged.
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181060 No.6210
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6740c1 No.6236
read nietzsche you baboon
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a3f048 No.6239
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a89eaf No.6249
>>6156
Mutually inclusive or mutually exclusive?
One needn't be a nihilist and an atheist.
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bd0170 No.6255
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69204e No.6301
>>6194
>So believing in Newtonian physics Is the same as believing in God to you?
That should be an obvious yes, order necessitates superimposed structures so God, unless you're reducing all observable phenomenons to statistical likelihood instead of rules, you have to believe in an ordered world. Atheist in general have a very limited understanding of the god concept and equate it with personified deities that exert will instead of it being the logos itself, which leads to such "playful" comparisons as the flying spaghetti monster. The only people than can truly call themselves atheists in the very sense of the word are extreme post-modernists
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b1df00 No.6310
>>6301
> Atheist in general have a very limited understanding of the god concept and equate it with personified deities that exert will instead of it being the logos itself, which leads to such "playful" comparisons as the flying spaghetti monster.
So much this. Atheists love to bring up the problem of evil to disprove God, but they are too retarded to understand that humans are responsible for %99.99 of evil acts in the world. Why should He interfere with any of that? Even illnesses of genetic, environmental, and dietary causes are preventable. You say there is no God because you have diabetes, but you eat fast food and drink 2 liters of soda every day? Go fucking figure!
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eda851 No.6336
>>6310
>2018 and being such an ignorant Christian
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b1df00 No.6342
>>6336
>Implying I'm a Christian
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fee14e No.6343
>>6342
You said "He" when referring to your god, so it figures you're a Christcuck. Maybe a Jew.
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b1df00 No.6344
>>6343
So what? Are you really going to be so hung up on pronouns like a genderqueer sjw?
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caaa5f No.6384
Sam Harris can be cringe tbh. I like him best when he doesn't suspend his mind and ask Buddhists about their subjective experiences tripping out.
https://youtube.com/watch?v=_aa2up0d7MU
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f9a484 No.6390
>>6343
>Christcuck
Are you a pagan or atheist, because either of those communities have a laughable amount of cuckolding in their movement.
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efedf3 No.6392
>>6310
Nice strawman right there. One doesn't have to do anything to be an atheist (including disproving god(s)), that's the point if it. I think you got way too tangled up in internet troll arguments.
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35da5c No.6424
>>6392
>one doesn't have to do anything to be an agnostic*
ftfy. An "atheist," as you use the word to mean "without belief in a god" is either also a classical atheist, i.e. belief in the implausibility of a god's existence, or he's also an "aclassical-atheist," i.e. someone without belief in the implausibility of a god's existence. Therefore, to call one's self an "atheist" as you mean it, is a redundant lie. The lie is that you want to give the impression that you hold any position about the plausibility of a god's existence, whilst claiming you hold no position at all. It's pathetic. You are pathetic.
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2b9e4b No.6485
>>6156
its the logical conclusion
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94448e No.6526
>>6165
If you add having a loving wife to that mix that'll be me. It's really weird to find someone that has almost the same purpose in life as me.
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b1df00 No.6533
>>6165
What are you, are Darwinian? And why even care about your wealth and reputation when you die? It's not like you'll be worrying about that stuff when you're dead.
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37dfc4 No.6537
>>6533
Then shall we just breed like rabbits and give the children just enough food for all of them to be able to easily survive?
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b1df00 No.6539
>>6537
By Darwinian, I meant the sole purpose of life is to pass on your genes by producing offspring.
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aab72f No.6547
>>6156
No. Read Stirner.
t. egoist anarchist
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413cde No.6554
>>6539
Yes, and you need wealth and reputation to help your children pass their genes in the future by using them.
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3b86fd No.6559
>>6547
>stirnerism as anything but consistent nihilism
Lol
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4ae3cb No.6583
>>6156
People parse the definitions.
Every thought & thing in this mortal world is relative to subjective interpretation.
I define atheism as "disbelief that a deity created & controls this mortal world and all the creatures within it". I define nihilism as "belief in conscious annihilation upon mortal death -- no more thinking or feeling or awareness ever again". So, you can be an atheist without being a nihilist. As an atheist you can believe in eternal consciousness; you can believe that all physical creatures are actually the product of their perfect spiritual selves.
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