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5a4361 No.6422 [Open thread]

If knowledge is defined as justified true belief, then agnostic belief, if it is not an irrelevant proclamation of feeling, is simply justified true belief in a plausibility. If someone "believes but they're not sure," their belief can be equated either to knowledge of a quantified plausibility, e.g. "There is a 70% chance this is true," or a feeling, e.g. "I feel like this is true but I don't know." A claim of agnostic belief is therefore either equivalent to a claim of knowledge, or a proclamation of feeling that is justifiedly ignored.

So why the existence of the term? Well if there are no other possible reasons, the implicit conclusion is deception. The specification of "agnostic," by virtue of the apparent necessity of its specification, implies gnostic belief is possible and that one holds other, gnostic beliefs, which, by virtue of the presumed necessity of logical justification for a gnostic belief, implies there is logical justification for the specification of "agnostic," which could only be a quantified plausibility. The term is used to give this impression, and yet so that when pressed to reveal said logical justification, one can incorrectly and deceptively cite "agnostic," that they thus don't actually know anything, and thus have nothing to defend.

Mentioning one's own epistemology at all is just a big red herring; it has no place in debate; and it should only if ever be shared as nothing more than a cool factoid about one's self -- because there is no such thing as an agnostic or gnostic position. Whether one believes they can tell the difference between knowledge and belief is irrelevant. Neither is anything more than a statement of feeling. If someone says "I believe but I don't know this thing to be true," or "I know this thing to be true," either way the only proper response in debate would be "Prove it."

>inb4 someone contests that I can't disagree with "established" epistemology

Well, I can, and I don't. Nor does what you've read on wikipedia or from any atheist 'philosopher' constitute epistemology. The "science" is never "settled" so to speak, unless you're an idiot.

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f010ae No.6520

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>>6422

Beginning my first foray into the study of epistemology, so forgive me if I turn out to be a dumbass.

First, why ignore someone's epistemology? People can and do have different standards for what the "justified" part of "justified true belief" is. You even kind of agree with this when you claim, "The science is never settled-". My threshold for justification could theoretically be so absolute and unyielding that I refuse to accept anything outside of the existence of my own awareness as knowledge.

Second, my understanding of what an agnostic belief is, is that it's simply a belief that one does not hold as knowledge. That could mean anything from, "I feel really strongly that X is true," "I have blind faith that X is true" or "I have 52% confidence that X is true based on the data, but that does not meet my threshold for what I consider justification." An agnostic belief is simply a belief without claiming truth and justification.

A gnostic belief, on the other hand, would be an actual claim to knowledge, justified and true. It's right there in your image, too.

>then agnostic belief ... is simply justified true belief in a plausibility

This is a gnostic belief if it's justified and true. It's a justified true belief that a proposition is =possible==, not an agnostic belief in that proposition. A proposition cannot be true if that same proposition cannot ==possibly== be true.

Have a good one.

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af5f80 No.6543

>mr. agnostic, do tou believe in God?

>no

Reminder agnosticism does not exist and religion is on or off

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03b159 No.6702

>>6543

what if I answered the question "I don't know."?

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377012 No.6750

>inb4 someone contests that I can't disagree with "established" epistemology

>Well, I can, and I don't. Nor does what you've read on wikipedia or from any atheist 'philosopher' constitute epistemology. The "science" is never "settled" so to speak, unless you're an idiot.

The problem is that by the looks of things you haven't even studied epistemology. Feel free to disagree with others in epistemology, but don't act like you can just ignore the major issues in epistemology and expect to be taken seriously.

For example, you haven't put forward clear definitions of the terms you are using. For example, do you hold the position that knowledge must be infallible or do you think that information gathered by a generally reliable means can be considered knowledge?

Without giving a detailed explanation of what you mean by 'knowing' something as opposed to believing in it, it isn't even possible to start a conversation on the distinction between gnostic and agnostic belief.

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423208 No.6808

>>6702

Got'em

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ef847f No.6383 [Open thread]

Awkwardly worded question aside what is at the core of human fear? What is the most accurate description of it from an existential point of view?

Having read Thomas Ligotti and Peter Wessel Zapffe it would seem that their vision of the human condition is a miserable one as man having been endowed with the rational to examine his own position in the galaxy as intrinsically without purpose.

H.P Lovecraft capitalized on this feeling of cosmic indifference and nihilism as the main driving force behind his horror novels however I have to wonder if this actually constitutes as fear...

That seem to be the general consensus, at least I've perceived as such, that the most frightening concept for people is to die, dissolve and be forgotten but this is true of all things. Do animals fear the prospect of being forgotten? I doubt it.

Is will to live the main defining attribute of fear? If there is no fear of death is there nothing left to fear?

Sorry if this come of as mouthbreathy and convoluted. I'll elaborate further as best I can.

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71b6eb No.6619

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Done

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7bb90c No.6620

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>>6598

Sure, this is what I was thinking as well, however that line of reasoning almost implies that if one where to not care about their genes or somehow learn to bypass their biological make-up then they could, theoretically, deprogram themselves from fear which I don't feel is correct.

Biologically speaking this may very well be the case but as humans we are not duty bound to nature and don't have any obligation to procreate in the manner that you are describing therefor our fear comes from something else : the uncertainty of our own deaths for example but even that answer I find vague.

Suicidal people can still feel fear, Nihilists can still feel fear, Antinatalists can still feel fear, Amoral people can still feel fear.

None of these groups of people fear the death of their mortal bodies, the possibility of their genes vanishing, the possibility of not being the fittest or their legacy being forgotten in the dunes.

So where does this fear come from?

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28391d No.6625

>>6620

I would say that your definition of a human’s biological makeup is too myopic. With our current knowledge of evolution, it is apparent that everything about every organic being, all actions, desires and urges (conscious or subconscious) have been programmed into the creature

via the principle of natural selection, so that traits which favour the survival of a species are passed down through the generations. This doesn’t simply mean the obvious biological urges - procreation, eating etc. It means the absolute totality of the being ultimately works to increase the probability of the survival of the species long-term, in the environment in which it evolved.

So essentially humans are born with an idiosycratic programming of different motivations, which, when summed across the species as a whole, benefit the continued propagation of that species. This means that a human motivation may only benefit the continued existence of a single human in a very specific scenario at one point or another. But because it was ultimately a positive, it remained in the gene pool. So at all other times where this motivation emerged, it seems useless or counterintuitive. But there’s only one reason why it’s there in the first place: it increases the probability of the propagation of the species. I call these motivations that emerge in a counterintuitive fashion imprecise motivations.

I think what I’m saying will make alot more sense with some examples. Let’s take a suicidal person (I can relate). When someone jumps off a bridge, we wonder how humans can be driven by the will to continue existing. However, let’s think about the motivations that drove the person to do this. Often the person has depression, a form of psychological pain which is a physiological response to perception of being on a lower strata in a dominance hierarchy (which means decreased probability of gene selection). This physiological system which causes depression evolved as a stimulus to prompt an individual to seek a way out of this potentially lethal situation (because they want to feel content/serotonin again). So the person seeks a way out of their pain. If the pain of the depression (which, as I just expPost too long. Click here to view the full text.

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32716e No.6631

Fear comes from our lack of adaptability and understanding something similar.

eg. 1. We can fear trying new foods. You were raised to only eat western food you might feel fear to try food that doesn't look/smell like what you've adapted and understood.

2. You see a figure that is similar to a human but has an extended horror jawline, or like your pic. It's similar to humans what we're adapted and understanding of, yet from the differences it is hard to know for certain (doubt/fear)

3. Death, I say we fear death more in the western society because of the idea of keeping your physical body when you travel to the after life. What people fear is how there body is transported there and weather it is of their own volition.

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7c618d No.6735

Fear is about losing something you want to keep or gaining something you don’t.

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278956 No.6706 [Open thread]

We are rich, are we not? At any point prior in our species history have we ever been as nourished in our physical needs? Are not not living longer lives? If we have such wealth, how can anyone take issue with this world we have made?

However, even in this paradise of the material, there lies an underlying problem. Even with our full bellies, decent health, and access to to incredible technology we still find a quiet desperation in ourselves and others. What can a wealthy man lack? Purpose.

In my opinion, a well lived life is one that affirms life itself. Life is not happiness alone. Fulfillment is seldom found in brief sensory excitement. Agony and delight are married. If agony is negated, so is joy and therefore life. Our Occidental impoverishment is not material, it is the impotence of a once strong man. Our emptiness stems from our denial of the Faustian and masculine spirits that endure pain. We have become weak and sterile and therefore our world decays.

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1485cb No.6727

>You need to know Y to appreciate X

That's a spook, boss.

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87524c No.6699 [Open thread]

>>>/parthenon/ I think it would be a decent board to go to

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864bbe No.6701

>>6699

>banning anime

No.

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c160e1 No.6696 [Open thread]

This is a definition of omnipotent:

To be capable of doing anything imaginable; illimitable, even by the universe (and beyond).

What do you feel about it? True or false?

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61473b No.6315 [Open thread]

Happy Mother's Day!

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1e83fd No.6694

>>6315

You Motherfucker

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3d288f No.869 [Open thread]

Hey /philosophy/,

I get the impression that a lot of you seem to believe that there is a set of objective moral laws. I made the mistake of majoring Human Geography in college and minoring in Philosophy. Since I took several classes examining different societies and cultures; I of course came away with a moral relativist point of view. I want to give equal weight to those who say that are objective truths to moral and immoral actions.

For me the two who best did it were Aristotle and Kant. (Not sure how anyone can take the Utilitarians seriously.) However, I'm a little underwhelmed by both of them. In my current mixed state of philosophical knowledge and ignorance, I think Aristotle did the best job. However, I still don't think he did so conclusively or even particularly close.

So can I ask you /philosophy/, who did the best job, and why?
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3d288f No.4590

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>hey guys im literally the smartest person on earth, allow me the opportunity to look down my nose at you and call you an idiot if you dont think marxism is literally the best thing evar

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4147cf No.5345

Moral relativism is moral nihilism. At any point, simply make a micro-culture that has the rules most advantageous to you at that moment.

>>871

Yes, but game theory can rescue most of the rules. Ironically, game theory meta-ethics is indeed sensitive to local culture. Game theory provides an objective function which spits out (non-moral) rules based on various inputs, which inputs basically boil down to 'what do you want, long term.'

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7f9aa6 No.5685

>>876

>committing fallacies or outright lying to ourselves.

How do Aquinas/Aristotle do this?

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97b15d No.6268

If you are OK with modern-day ppl, you might give Stefan Molyneux (UPB) and Hans Hermann Hoppe (Argumentation ethics) a try.

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b4e686 No.6679

Read Nietzsche, he doesn't specifically have "objective moral laws" but a general principle of "Affirming Life", which is pretty good

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f81479 No.6667 [Open thread][Last50 Posts]

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ee5bde No.6908

Bible Study

40 mins 9:00 AM CST (3PM UTC)

https://twitch.tv/a7runaway

Apostles Creed

Our Father/Lords Prayer

2 Kings 7-9

Avoiding Impurity Ascension Presents

Randy Newman - He Gives Us All His Love

James 3-4, Daily Reading USCCB

Daily Reading Reflection USCCB

Sister Cristina & the Current Church Crisis by Sensus Fidelium

Vince Gill - Go Rest High On That Mountain

2 Kings 10-12

Our Father/Lords Prayer

Bengel's Gnomon of the NT, Haydock Catholic Bible Commentary, Keil and Delitzsch OT Commentary, Thomas Aquinas and Tyndale.

- http://ccc.usccb.org/cccradio/NABPodcasts/18_12_30.mp3 Daily Reading USCCB

- https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qNU2LseHjls Daily Reading Reflection USCCB

- https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6Y2S58hTLqA Avoiding Impurity Ascension Presents

- https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XcjgL-n8B2I Sister Cristina & the Current Church Crisis by Sensus Fidelium

- https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6VrJsFpmG2w Randy Newman - He Gives Us All His Love

- https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6jXrmAKBBTU Vince Gill - Go Rest High On That Mountain

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ee5bde No.6917

Bible Study

15 mins 9:00 PM CST (3AM UTC)

https://twitch.tv/a7runaway

Apostles Creed

Our Father/Lords Prayer

2 Kings 13-14, 1 Peter 1-2

Hope for a Wounded World - Archbishop Fulton Sheen pt 1

James 5, Acts 15, Daily Reading USCCB

Daily Reading Reflection USCCB

Hope for a Wounded World - Archbishop Fulton Sheen pt 2

Jonah 1-4, Mark 16

Our Father/Lords Prayer

Bengel's Gnomon of the NT, Haydock Catholic Bible Commentary, Keil and Delitzsch OT Commentary, Thomas Aquinas and Tyndale.

- http://ccc.usccb.org/cccradio/NABPodcasts/18_12_31.mp3 Daily Reading USCCB

- https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cC9SZQKYSZc Daily Reading Reflection USCCB

- https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ve6P4QzqCGU Hope for a Wounded World - Archbishop Fulton Sheen

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ee5bde No.6934

Bible Study

~20 mins 8:00 PM CST (2AM UTC)

https://twitch.tv/a7runaway

Apostles Creed

Our Father/Lords Prayer

Amos 1-3

Curtis Mayfield & The Impressions - People Get Ready (1965)

1 Peter 3-4

"Signs Of Our Times": Ven. Fulton Sheen on Anti-Christ & Crisis in the Church & Society (1947)

Amos 4-6, Daily Reading USCCB

Daily Reading Reflection USCCB

Janis Ian - He's a Rainbow

Galatians 1

Our Father/Lords Prayer

Bengel's Gnomon of the NT, Haydock Catholic Bible Commentary, Keil and Delitzsch OT Commentary, Thomas Aquinas and Tyndale.

- http://ccc.usccb.org/cccradio/NABPodcasts/19_01_01.mp3 Daily Reading USCCB

- https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c4mlxwuzN1E Daily Reading Reflection USCCB

- https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NdKEbnS1eBE Curtis Mayfield & The Impressions - People Get Ready (1965)

- https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LhaCjUGamjk "Signs Of Our Times": Ven. Fulton Sheen on Anti-Christ & Crisis in the Church & Society (1947)

- https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZWK3oAUwCBE Janis Ian - He's a Rainbow

https://discord.gg/j7JPZ5Z

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ee5bde No.6941

Bible Study

~1 hr 4:30 PM CST (10:30PM UTC)

https://twitch.tv/a7runaway

Apostles Creed

Our Father/Lord Prayer

Amos 7-9, 1 Peter 5

Why Confess My Sins to a Priest? by Ascension Presents

Judee Sill - The Donor - Heart Food

Galatians 2-3, Daily Reading USCCB

Daily Reading Reflection USCCB

Read Scripture: 1 Peter

Lord of Patience by Shai Linne

2 Kings 15-16, 2 Peter 1

Our Father/Lords Prayer

Bengel's Gnomon of the NT, Haydock Catholic Bible Commentary, Keil and Delitzsch OT Commentary, Thomas Aquinas and Tyndale.

- http://ccc.usccb.org/cccradio/NABPodcasts/19_01_02.mp3 Daily Reading USCCB

- https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xqIx4UxKEc8 Daily Reading Reflection USCCB

- https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xtvjmsPmVpw Why Confess My Sins to a Priest? by Ascension Presents

- https://thebibleproject.com/explore/1-peter/ Read Scripture: 1 Peter

- https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I61zfxc2cHo Judee Sill - The Donor - Heart Food

- https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KR7jJqf5w_c Lord of Patience by Shai Linne

https://discord.gg/j7JPZ5Z

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ee5bde No.6948

Bible Study

~1 hr 4:30 PM CST (10:30PM UTC)

https://twitch.tv/a7runaway

Apostles Creed

Lords Prayer/Our Father

2 Peter 2, 2 Kings 17-18, Daily Reading USCCB

Daily Reading Reflection USCCB

Invoking the Holy Name of Jesus by Sensus Fidelium

Oh Well Fleetwood Mac

2 Peter 3, Galatians 4-5

Read Scripture: 2 Peter by The Bible Project

I Think He's Hiding by Randy Newman

Luke 1, 2 Kings 19-21

Lords Prayer/Our Father

Bengel's Gnomon of the NT, Haydock Catholic Bible Commentary, Keil and Delitzsch OT Commentary, Thomas Aquinas and Tyndale.

- http://ccc.usccb.org/cccradio/NABPodcasts/19_01_03.mp3 Daily Reading USCCB

- https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Obd8Nl6Qqzo Daily Reading Reflection USCCB

- https://thebibleproject.com/explore/2-peter/ Read Scripture: 2 Peter by The Bible Project

- https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4ohGnkn5Sgw Invoking the Holy Name of Jesus by Sensus Fidelium

- https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KE4HGlmtOcg Oh Well Fleetwood Mac

- https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nuL70a9xpD8 I Think He's Hiding by Randy Newman

https://discord.gg/j7JPZ5Z

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72d478 No.6665 [Open thread]

I'm a Christian but this is what was communicated to me by ethereal entities.

So whats going on? Well see the ethereal is real. Certain groups insert thought forms into the ethereal recesses of your mind. The thought forms normally negative energy create creatures in your mind that can alter conciousness, insert thoughts, speak, move independently. Every thought form seeks the same power to enter the astral. Where they can propagate and act freely, feeding off the energy of peoples conciousness.

Groups? Not sure but monroe institutes research provided the mechanical means for non spirtual thought forms to propagate.

Those most strongly affected are mental "sensitives" taking the brunt of their flagerant use of thought forms.

Sleep is when you are most vulnerable to these thought forms. Working in the foreground.

Ethereal is the astral and inner planes where ideas and archetypes can form and function without the physical.

Alexy is my thoughtform he will form and flow eventually propagating the astral.

But there are others in my head pushing for space and activating predatorial nature within me.

To gut, stab maim / end your life before you end anothers.

Seals and sigils to protect your back that simple nothing else, excovations as well.

Magic is a lot like creation.

Sigils - symbols concoted to cement meaning and cause change.

Demons they exist, archetypal thought forms striving for the status of gods. They insert their symbols into your thought streams to cause you to call them fourth.

Gods power exchangers. Devotion brings their power into your life not nessecerily into you.

Thought form - thought form is a general term for a entitiy or object that only exist within the ethereal.

Exvocation - its like a cleaning of the mind opening doors letting out the heat.

Monroe bots - artificial thought forms whose only purpose is to disturb forcing you to become controled.

Follow the 10 commandments Exodus 20 3:17

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72d478 No.6666

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So I went to the angel and told him to give me the little scroll. And he said to me, “Take and eat it; it will make your stomach bitter, but in your mouth it will be sweet as honey.” 10 And I took the little scroll from the hand of the angel and ate it. It was sweet as honey in my mouth, but when I had eaten it my stomach was made bitter. 11 And I was told, “You must again prophesy about many peoples and nations and languages and kings.”

When i was 20 I ate lemons from a tree after the moon turned into an angel and spoke to me, telling me it would be sweet like honey and i would understand.

Matthew 13:52

He said to them, “Therefore every teacher of the law who has become a disciple in the kingdom of heaven is like the owner of a house who brings out of his storeroom new treasures as well as old.”

Romans 7:6

But now, by dying to what once bound us, we have been released from the law so that we serve in the new way of the Spirit, and not in the old way of the written code.

Recently Angel's have spoken to me and told me to spread the word to become cloawe with god through the Bible NIV by doing open group daily studies.

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5ff13c No.6732

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=KEFPtG4dP0k

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dffa18 No.6894

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>>6665

Christianity isn't real philosophy.

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ead971 No.6903

>>6894

nice first meme, but that would all be solved by destroying all Christian churches by setting them ablaze and just leaving Coptics and Orthodoxy to remain. I'll show you be damned who the true Scotsman is!

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f81abe No.1362 [Open thread][Last50 Posts]

Are you happy /philosophers/?
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57f314 No.5361

>>1362

>happiness

Poor translation. Eudaimonia? Ataraxia?

I'm within epsilon of being as content as possible, given the hand I was dealt. Non-impossible problems melt before me. My emotions are largely as I would like them to be. Total mastery of both inner and outer world, insofar as such mastery is possible.

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537a03 No.6633

>>5361

I don't think this is a real quote. No name cited, I couldn't find it except for that picture. Hence happiness instead of proper greek wording.

>>2064

>>2068

>Happiness is nothing quantifiable objectively.

That is some retarded statement. Two second of google research let's me tell you that :

" In the 21st century, the field of neuroscience proposes that happiness -- like every other emotional experience -- is the result of electrochemical reactions in the brain brought on by stimuli."¹.

Also on a more dialectic basis I'd say that happiness is the negation of passions. Still quantifiable, the more you alleviate passions the happier you get. How can a bunch of romans and greek understood that 2000 years ago and you don't...

¹https://science.howstuffworks.com/life/neurochemistry-of-happiness.htm

>>1457

>happiness is achieved by virtue

>citation needed

Are you seriously implying that accomplishing yourself through hard work and being proficient doesn't make people happy. The citation is going to be all of human history...

>the purpose of life is happiness

>citations needed

This one is more debatable. But the question at this point is: "is there a goal to life"? And if not can't you define your own goals? And if so what else could it be and how is it more plausible than "happiness" (ataraxia would be a better term)?

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662f60 No.6647

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>>1362

happiness is irrelative. only the truth will bring peace to one's self.

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cbc121 No.6654

>>1364

Based and redpilled

>>1372

>>1438

>>1439

Cringe and bluepilled

Face the reality, cucks...

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29535d No.6664

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>>1362

Yes.

Perhaps surprisingly so.

Why is there no flag for Epicureanism?

>>1449

I think compatibilism is most likely. But it's so unknowable. Ignorance is bliss.

>>1457

>the purpose of life is happiness

It is the best way to live

>>2081

The key is seeing it in your head the whole time and chipping away the parts that are in the way of others seeing it.

>>2141

I will be happy to lend a hand to those ends and die trying.

>>6647

It seems truth is happiness.

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5942c1 No.6607 [Open thread]

Anything good or bad that happens to someone that they, within reason, could not predict or control is a form of luck.

> Getting hit by a drunk driver

> Winning the lottery

> Born with a permanent disability

> Struck by lightning

There's no sound reason for anyone to say that luck isn't real. They either don't understand the meaning of the word or have a very distorted view of reality, like the ones who claim every experience you have is just a manifestation of your own thoughts. This is patently false, as you could wake up tomorrow with a spider on your head without a single thought to spur it. There may be a reason, a cause, for everything, but that doesn't mean every event can be controlled or accounted for by a person at all times. When these unpredictable, uncontrollable events affect someone positively or negatively, it's called luck.

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5942c1 No.6640

>>6622

I see your point, that "lucky" events don't necessarily have some predestined, god-ordained significance to them. I also didn't mean to imply that luck is some sort of law, just a label for a certain type of event.

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2af1a6 No.6657

>>6640

It's just a way to measure undesirable low frequency events, it's like temerature or distance or time.

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7f1114 No.6658

>>6657

nobody could have said it better. but its a measure of all ranges, desired or undesired, luck itself. lol. its a cipher, a representative word.

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382361 No.6659

>>6657

Well no because temperature and time can be measured through empirical means but luck cannot.

Things that can be measured : Weight, height, speed, gravity and so on. Tangible forces that exist despite us.

Things that can't be measured : Luck, love, hate, peace and so on. Nebulous concepts created by humans to explain feelings, needs, wants and unexplainable phenomena within our world.

If a bird shits on your shoulder right after you've found a lone 5 dollar bill on the street there's no real correlation between the two happenings. One thing didn't happen just because of this other thing.

They just happened and we ascribe this as having more meaning to it than it actually does.

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2af1a6 No.6662

>>6659

If you consider that a bird shitting on your shoulder is unlucky and you recorded every instance of a person getting shit on vs not shit on, you would be measuring the frequency of luck. Maybe not the magnitude or strength of luck though.

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66fdff No.6328 [Open thread]

Please no philosophers that weren't insightful enough not to be atheist

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965884 No.6407

>>6328

Buddha

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781844 No.6412

Aristotle, as far as I know. If you want something short, there's the spurious "On Virtues and Vices". If you want something meatier, there's always the Nicomachian Ethics, Magna Moralia, and Eudemian Ethics.

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efbcdd No.6461

>>6412

Doesn't Aristotle recommend moderation though?

He would say refusing to drink could be conceived as rude or anti-social, but being drunk isn't socially beneficial and drinking any amount regularly is unhealthy.

He would advocate a glass of wine at a dinner or party once a month.

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8c1e75 No.6649

Seneca

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daf157 No.6651

>please no philosophers that aren't fedora tipping faggots.

OP sucks rationalist cock. Again, Sage.

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81ddc0 No.5682 [Open thread]

The alt-right and /pol/ both have members who believe that god and the afterlife do not exist, but who also believe that public belief in such things is the only way for society to avoid falling into moral relativism and degeneracy.

Maybe there is a way to provide objective morality and purpose, I believe that the forbidden science promoted by the alt-right holds the key to this.

Ayn Rand was right about the law between the individuals within a tribe, but she refused to accept tribal differences, or even that there were tribes to begin with.

If we can combine Ethno-nationalism and the most useful bits of Objectivism, and use the empirical evidence supporting the existence of tribal differences, the need for tribal separation, etc. I feel like we would be on track to a new morality.

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472559 No.6630

>>6629

I also want to add that I enjoy our conversation and that I find it interesting to share my opinions with someone who disagrees with me.

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c6e369 No.6637

>>6615

'Races' are collections of similar traits that are distinct enough to be considered groups but not to be considered subspecies. Non-caucasian races are less intelligent on average than caucasian races.

The world could 'go on' after a multitude of events that you would be opposed to. What justification do you have for your continuation of life, if you are unlikely to affect the 'going on' of the world? You have given this argument without any alternative.

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4e45ff No.6644

>>6637

And where exactly do you draw the distinction for what constitutes one race contra another race? You are, by the by, using an erroneous distinction by using caucasian to mean "white" as caucasian can apply to a wide variety of people from all over Europe, Western Asia, Central Asia, South Asia, North Africa, and the Horn of Africa.

The term caucasian has been twisted and appropriated to simply mean "white" which is a gross oversimplification. Similarly to word "aryan" which does not mean white but are encompassing of genetic traits which can be found in people all over the world not just blue eyed, blonde and white people.

So when you say to one "race", using your definition of race that is, means nothing.

Your whole outlook on race is primarily based on pseudoscience, linguistic shortcuts and general ignorance.

>You have given this argument without any alternative.

That's because it isn't an argument with alternatives in the first place. If you live you live, if you die you die. Any meaning found therein is completely of your own volition. If thinking about your own racial superiority over other races gives you some semblance of purpose then, fine, who gives a shit that's what gets YOU going.

I personally think you could, if you wanted to, strain yourself to find something more meaningful and productive to believe in but that's a journey you have to make on your own.

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ac3b5f No.6645

>>6644

>And where exactly do you draw the distinction for what constitutes one race contra another race? You are, by the by, using an erroneous distinction by using caucasian to mean "white" as caucasian can apply to a wide variety of people from all over Europe, Western Asia, Central Asia, South Asia, North Africa, and the Horn of Africa.

>The term caucasian has been twisted and appropriated to simply mean "white" which is a gross oversimplification. Similarly to word "aryan" which does not mean white but are encompassing of genetic traits which can be found in people all over the world not just blue eyed, blonde and white people.

If you do not have the capacity to understand what is meant, when the meaning of the term used can not be exactly defined using other words, then this is your cognitive lack. The terms caucasian and aryan have indeed been used in multiple ways, this does not mean that they are somehow beholden to what you conceive to be one of those ways.

>So when you say to one "race", using your definition of race that is, means nothing.

How does the relationship between signifier and signified being arbitrary mean that the signifier does not signify?

>That's because it isn't an argument with alternatives in the first place. If you live you live, if you die you die. Any meaning found therein is completely of your own volition. If thinking about your own racial superiority over other races gives you some semblance of purpose then, fine, who gives a shit that's what gets YOU going.

>I personally think you could, if you wanted to, strain yourself to find something more meaningful and productive to believe in but that's a journey you have to make on your own.

but people die dude, so whatever dude, it's like create your own meaning and shit, i swear dude, just take the journey through reddit and the self-help book section at the thrift store..

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4e45ff No.6646

>>6645

>If you do not have the capacity to understand what is meant, when the meaning of the term used can not be exactly defined using other words, then this is your cognitive lack. The terms caucasian and aryan have indeed been used in multiple ways, this does not mean that they are somehow beholden to what you conceive to be one of those ways.

La di da.

The reason I bring it up is because the definition keeps, conveniently, changing with the times and the context.

But the bottom line being that there's still this lingering persistence to make the "white" race more important and "better" than other races even when there's no justification or scientific confirmation for it being provably true.

I can easily point this out but people put so much of their own personal self worth and identity in this vague concept of race that whenever I say "your race doesn't make you special", which it doesn't, people see it as an attack on their very personhood.

And I suppose it is if the only thing you have going for yourself is the complexion of your outermost layer of skin.

But the fact that you can't make something of yourself that's YOUR problem that you have to work on.

>How does the relationship between signifier and signified being arbitrary mean that the signifier does not signify?

That was actually a typo on my behalf, whoops, what I meant to say was that saying that one race, the whites, have a "higher I.Q. than other races" means nothing. Which it does because even the definition of I.Q. is another definition which has been horribly confused from it's original meaning.

>just take the journey through reddit and the self-help book section at the thrift store...

And this is somehow worse than the "I'm the chosen white" bullshit that you keep telling yourselfPost too long. Click here to view the full text.

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d64859 No.6558 [Open thread]

Are there any infographics that weren't written by an apparent 8-year-old? You can't "realize" there is no meaning, as if the meaning of the realization exists in some magic bubble of non-meaning. Anyone have any guides that don't confuse despair and intelligence, and then proceed to try to explain just why that despair isn't despair? Something simple, like "You think this shit is interesting? Then you should read this. You think this shit is banal? Then you should read this."

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b0157f No.6563

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Why not try to upgrade the chart, fixing mistakes and giving better questions? Or remake it completely, adding different ideologies, and expanding on the answers? It would be nice to see a longer pdf version of this.

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b0157f No.6643

Do you crave meaning?

Yes: What causes you to crave meaning? Is it to indulge yourself, or to improve yourself and those around you?

Are you willing to believe in God?

> Are you willing to follow catholic doctrine? Orthodox? Protestant? Baptist? Other?

>Religion is the opiate of the people should also be expanded. Saying Fascism, Communism, and Anarchism as a final result after 3 questions is too much. The bottom row could be expanded on too. Maybe more than just books, include quotes by famous people, and show examples from history where it worked.. and well.

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98731b No.6439 [Open thread]

Does it make sense to try to self-actualize others?

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2b0837 No.6639

Why do you want to "self-actualized others"?

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8cae30 No.6641

>Does it make sense?

no, how does a being other than self actualize a self.

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f8e861 No.6642

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>>6639

>>6641

Resistance is futile. You will be substantiated.

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