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4af064 No.4608 [Open thread]

potemkin village > universe

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e47e0d No.5344

Most humans are limited to a mental potemkin village. Actually looking at the universe as it is doesn't make the feel awe, it makes them panic and shut down. They're limited to a caricature, typically provided by other humans, in a lovely game of Telephone. It means there's some 100th monkey to gets to decide what all the other monkeys see the world as, almost unconstrained by what the world actually is, but very highly constrained by the extraordinarily limited minds the caricature universe has to fit into.

Which would be fine if the potemkin minds would admit they're limited, instead of chimping out on anyone who sees farther than they do.

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2abd1b No.1263 [Open thread]

Is the Universe finite or infinite?

I want to say infinite (i.e. eternal); that makes us humans shards of eternity, capable of experiencing joy during life.
What about you?
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2abd1b No.1273

This board is deader than dead.
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2abd1b No.1286

>>1263
Alright, so before we answer the question, we should understand it and analyze it thoroughly.
1-What is time
2-Is there anything such as "finite" if we consider everything that is real and conceivable to be one big thing?

Time is a human measuring unit, it isn't it's own thing rather a dimension that can only be functional and meaningful in the presence of other dimensions.
Secondly, if we consider point 2 then, by that logic if the universe is a part of bigger thing and at the same time finite then the 'pre-universe' is to be considered a state of existence that is eternal, hence there is no such thing as finititness. Of course then we can change the definition of finite and infinite and each of us would misunderstand the other but from a transcendental linguistic point of view we are not disagreeing at core.
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2abd1b No.1317

Which part of it?
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2abd1b No.1321

The "Universe" is by definition infinite. Infinity is a quality irreducible to quantity, which is a mistake almost everyone makes.

If you believe our own "universe" is actually a bubble of existence in a quantum void, you're not contradicting anything concerning infinite being, you're merely misusing the term universe.
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942d97 No.5346

Finite.

Even if space is perfectly flat, which would imply infinity, the observable universe will always be finite. Light cones and all that. Even if time is potentially infinite, at any point a finite amount of time will have passed. Also, it looks like everything decays and so the universe will have a functional end.

>eternity is high status, and shards of high status are still highish status, I need to be high status to feel joy, and therefore I can feel joy.

Hello monkey. Monkey want to dance? Sorry, I don't understand 'ooga ooga.' Just dance if you want to. You can leave my friends behind.

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cd0b38 No.4134 [Open thread]

>yfw God exists

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cd0b38 No.4135

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>mfw God is dead

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cd0b38 No.4137

Missed this meme tbh

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cd0b38 No.4490

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>mfw God necessarily exists

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cd0b38 No.4526

>equating God and religion

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935a09 No.5347

>>4490

The ontological argument is one of the stupidest things I've ever heard.

>>4135

"We have killed him, and we'll never be able to wash off the blood."

Also, we're not really talking about 'God' we're talking about, specifically, Jesus. Does Allah exist? How about Yahweh? Zeus? Odin?

How about none of the above, but I'm still not an atheist?

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c18812 No.4523 [Open thread]

In many places online, there is a resurgence of end times beliefs. The fact that people all over the world observe natural phenomena (species die-outs, earthquakes, etc.), plutocratic crypto-history (pick your group - J, J, M, etc.), The Inverse relationship between technological advancement, and social/cultural/economic

/psychological health of the world population, the breakdown of classical culture, the breakdown of the old, the emergence of the alien and the new (cyberpunk, or occult subcultures, waves of new social movements, the transvaluation of morals, etc.) leads many to come to the conclusion that we are witnessing the end of history - as per the prophecies of the book of revelations, lets say. But there isn't just this - the hopis have their own prophecy referring to the "5th World", the hindu's believe in the kali yuga, etc. The most important thing to attempt to resolve is the veracity of these ideas, because not only does this determine how futile the future is, but it allows for an understanding of the major culprits of evil in our world.

Is there any evidence to suggest that these ideas - specifically the Judeochristian end times - is an ancient psyop?

I've heard rumors it is a sort of war game - planned out thousands of years in advance by very intelligent plutocrats aware of the powers of the mass-mind, with their own millenia-old scheme to control history.

So how do we know? Is there any hope for truth in a world of competing knowledge structures, belief systems, etc. --- to establish a real history, and either affirm or dispell eschatological-armageddon thinking? based on the history of the ideas themselves rather than some lazy "secular" assumption that its a silly idea. Consider how this must've been structured if at all - is there an esoteric elite - evil factions that proceed with this as a plan, maybe good factions that warn the world through prophecy and exotericized biblical literature - etc.???

We have to approach this from a more open-minded schema, but also attempt to falsify or affirm this - because it is directly related to how we all - religious or not - orient our history, and therefore our future.

Any sages posses the knowledge Post too long. Click here to view the full text.

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9f3ef9 No.5348

Two separate things.

1.Monkey-human catastrophizing. When you want to show how much you care by being afraid of losing things in the future, then it spirals out of control, and you imagine losing everything so hard you pretend you actually believe it.

2. Things actually ending. If we consider the Roman dark ages and the Bronze Age collapse, there's definitely end times, if not quite so dramatic as the melodramas portray. (It's an affective representation, it's not supposed to be scientific.) There's also substantial evidence for The Flood, most recently due to cometary impacts on the ice age glaciers. That's a real end times. But it's metaphysical end times only in the fact that emotions are metaphysical and it certainly felt like all existence was coming to an end. In fact, all existence was not coming to an end, and if humans evolved once, it can probably happen again. Even if all life is wiped out of not just Earth, but the universe, the planet will keep on spinning.

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d1c2a2 No.4487 [Open thread]

ok, real talk fellas. how many of you have actually read epictetus? how many of you have read the meditations but not the discourses?

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d1c2a2 No.4493

posers, the lot of you.

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d1c2a2 No.4494

>>4493

You call us posers, yet you haven't even read Spinoza.

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d1c2a2 No.4520

I've read the Enchiridion, I prefer it much more than the Meditations, it's much more concise since Aurelius' is more of a journal.

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6726e9 No.5349

Ha! Neither!

Tell me something in them I haven't thought of before. Hint: you can't. The stuff's out there already, the books are a crutch at this point.

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d8b5f9 No.2639 [Open thread]

Is there any good literature/philosophy out there on the colossal uses and abuses of future technology (invisibility, mind control, nuclear weapons, AI) and how to prevent it from/reasonably assure against its happening?

Or is everything gonna go to shite?

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d8b5f9 No.3885

>>3881

No worries. I didn't need to be so salty.

Welp, board is slow as shit, but at least we're polite.

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d8b5f9 No.3922

On nuclear weapons, Günther Anders is a must-read. On the subject of A.I., Nick Bostrom wrote Superintelligence that discusses what would be the consequences of such an invention. I didn't read it yet, but it seems interesting enough.

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d8b5f9 No.3923

>>2639

Jaron Lanier on current and future abuses of big data and computing to destroy the economy (amongst other things) in Who Owns the Future?

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d8b5f9 No.4517

>>2647

Yeah even Star Trek TOS had those themes, as a kind of modern aesop's tales but by a modern thinker (liberal Atheist). A lot of my ethical thought is still grounded in scenarios of pulp paperbacks I read in adolescence. It's always the newest medium that the censors are less aware of, and the newest medium is freest to be subversive. Sci-fi is full of allegories, and was the choice genre for liberals trying to bypass censorship in the USSR or the during America's Red Scare.

I wish philosophers would try to make their work more interesting and narrative rather than writing it like proofs only for autistic nerds. Even Jesus knew to use parables for expediency if you want to reach a large audience.

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d8b5f9 No.4519

>Or is everything gonna go to shite?

no

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866e56 No.4492 [Open thread]

Check out this cringe lord trying to discuss Descartes

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zh-Mq8sXzIg

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866e56 No.4512

>>4492

Who is this semen demon?

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30ca7d No.5352

"This video is private."

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6e5373 No.4432 [Open thread]

here's what i've come to understand

- nothing matters. life and the universe exist, but there is no purpose or set guidelines, codes of morality, destiny, etc. it's only what we make of it, and even then it still doesn't matter. religion is a comforting facade so that people don't have to face this truth.

- we are genetic fuck-ups, anomalies if you will, as is basically everything in the universe. a simple matter of matter reacting to fusion process.

- we do have free will, since there is no determined course in life, it is entirely up to us to decide what to do with our time given to us. not that it matters anyway.

- everything is a meme. this website, the posting format, the computer, the couch, the house, the front lawn, the car, you name it.

how long should i wait before i kill myself at this point? 25 yo virgin, should i at least see if i make it to the wizard level?

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6e5373 No.4456

What does this have to do with philosophy?

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6e5373 No.4458

>>4456

>a man's understanding of the world around him has nothing to do with philosophy

get a load of this post-enlightenment continental navelgazer

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6e5373 No.4467

I Believe the set guidelines that make our universe was forged by God. The universe is kinda like his dream and follows his understanding of things. But looking at the universe in his eyes, Being truly sentient we can leave this perception and wake up outside it.

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6e5373 No.4469

>>4458

Cool strawman, bro. But you didn't answer the question.

What does it has to do with philosophy?

There ain't anything else in this thread even resembling a question, and there ain't nothing like an argument either. OP has got nothing but some rather angsty and certainly unoriginal thoughts and an implicit "please rate my opinions". Didn't even bother justifying them, just asked some inane shit ("lol how do i long until suicide?"). Total jackass.

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4919db No.5354

A good philosopher doesn't believe anything until he can prove it. Can you prove the universe has no purpose? If you could, you would understand what that actually means, instead of reacting with the cliche emotion.

>>4442

>>4443

>Reaction images, not argument.

I can prove free will is existentially impossible.

On the other hand, there's something else which does everything you wanted free will to do. This is also provable.

>>4469

I get it. You could too if you weren't being deliberately abtuse.

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fe0e33 No.1413 [Open thread]

Can you find a single photo of someone looking more uncomfortable than Zizek looks here?

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fe0e33 No.4463

>>4461

He's a Marxist who went to school and first published behind the iron curtain. That's like a Fundie who never left Jesusland.

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fe0e33 No.4464

>hate capitalism

>become an icon of popculture and use advertisement and adjust to demands of potential buyers to sell your books

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fe0e33 No.4465

>>4464

The point is that you're forced to obey the rules of capitalism if you want to survive. What the hell do you expect him to do?

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fe0e33 No.4466

>>4465

>What the hell do you expect him to do?

not behave like a hypocrite, which is especially hilarious on the grounds that he pretends to be a philosopher.

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5bb420 No.5356

>>4461

He's basically a professional troll. I'm not sure whether to envy his cushy job or pity his lack of integrity.

>>1585

Diogenes a best.

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edb9f6 No.4449 [Open thread]

🔮🏛🤔🌿

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edb9f6 No.4453

"Choices are

what forge

potential to real.

nothing is now

actual, so do to be.

losses are better

altruistically to the

monotheism fall midservant(?)"

- Anon

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edb9f6 No.4454

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🤔ℹ️💮🌿

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edb9f6 No.4455

>>4449

Stop posting these dumbshit threads you look like a 15 year old who thinks he knows some epic secret knowledge

Try again when you're capable of posting something with substance and legibility

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edb9f6 No.4622

“Men find worthier of praise whichever song comes most recently to their ears"

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48db1c No.4412 [Open thread]

Here's the options thus far:

1. Determinism is true. The mind functions based on pre-existing states of the universe, and therefore free will cannot exist.

2. Randomness is possible. Be it quantum or metaphysical, things can happen that cannot be predicted by prior conditions. Your mind is connected in some way to these processes, and is capable of random decisions. Still, a random number generator does not give you actual freedom, so free will does not exist.

3. ???

There just has to be some more options here. I mean, I'm relatively set about determinism, but there are so many people who believe in free will that you'd think there would be more ways of looking at it.

Anyone know of any more options besides determinism and randomness? Anyone know what kind of proposed mechanisms for free will exist?

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48db1c No.4418

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48db1c No.4419

>>4416

Moronic answer. The problem of free will is not that will does not determine, but that will is not the final determiner of itself.

>>4418

Compatibilism is the only coherent answer, yet only the conception of self-determination as really possible and existent makes it so. Standard accounts of compatibilism are just determinisms that try to side-step the problem of ultimate determination of the agent's reasoning. That the will wills what it wills and sees itself free in its will is not what is questioned, but how the will can really be the source of its own determination.

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48db1c No.4430

>>4416

I guess I see your point if you're considering the consciousness as a process rather than a single thing able to create will, which seems more accurate. I should have specified "free" as "free from the determined course of the physics of the universe" and not "free from your own thoughts".

>>4414

As for self-determination, I didn't research it a ton but it sounds like it asserts that there are aspects of the human mind outside of the physical world, kind of like Cartesian dualism. This is cool and I'd like to add it as a third item on the list, but I still have a problem with it. If the soul does exist in some different layer of reality, wouldn't it still be under the deterministic effects of that world, or else based on some random number generator in that metaphysical dimension? Like even if it's not a part of our reality, I don't see how it can really evade being one of the two. Again, I didn't research it super well, so anyone can feel free to correct me on the specifics of self-determination.

>>4418

So if I read that correctly, compatibilism is saying that you do not have free will to decide what you want to do, however you do have free will to decide how you want to do it. This still believes in some free will, just like, low fat free will. The mechanisms by which free will come about are not actually discussed by the concept though, so it seems like a dead end to me.

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48db1c No.4431

>>4430

Self-determination concerns one realm of determination. What components allow for self-determination only serve as necessary conditions of its existence, but not of its inner function. Just as your computer can be composed of a myriad different components of different brands which may determine how fast and how much it can do, the realm of actual computation is in the software and it works as it does within its own systematic form. Windows is still going to work as windows whether you run on 10 year old AMD or top of the line modern Intel.

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19c961 No.5357

>>4419

>Moronic answer. The problem of free will is not that will does not determine, but that will is not the final determiner of itself.

Recursive, therefore paradox. The will determines the will which determines the will which determines the....

Yeah, nope.

>>4419

>Compatibilism is the only coherent answer

Nope.

Compatibilism has been shredded by multiple commentators.

>>4412

>There just has to be some more options here.

Determinism is true, but there's a thing which gives you all the things you wanted free will for. I like to call it agency. Call it an object lesson on defining your terms properly.

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041df3 No.4423 [Open thread]

>From 1940 to 1960, Scandinavia used psychosurgery at a rate of about two-and-a-half times the rate of the United States.

why was lobotomy and sterilization so widespread in scandinavia? how does national psychology explain this? picrel semirelated

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041df3 No.4424

>>4423

You might want to look into Puerto Rico, where the American planning policy sought to limit Puerto Rico's birth rate.

>By 1949 a survey of Puerto Rican women found that 21% of women interviewed had been sterilized, with sterilizations being performed in 18% of all hospital births statewide as a routine post-partum procedure.

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23b529 No.5358

Why should identical genetic, cultural, or psychological conditions lead to precisely the same rate of some procedure?

Maybe 2.5 times is well within the noise bounds. It's easy for rare diseases, for example, to triple the risk with some small lifestyle change...because 2x the existing risk is still really small.

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a575c6 No.4401 [Open thread]

"To be or not to be?" or "The universe is my will or the will is my universe?"?

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a575c6 No.4402

Back again, Swissanon?

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a575c6 No.4406

>>4402

I'm a citizen of the world; just call me anon, anon.

I was psychotic last time, said a lot of weird stuff about nihilism. Sometimes philosophy does that to you.

What do you think of my "question" btw?

Even if you answer it, you're left with a question.

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d4237c No.5359

>>4406

>I was psychotic last time

>last time

>last

>time

*snrk*

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953917 No.4247 [Open thread]

Absurdism is a meme and another version of the leap to faith, prove me wrong you absurdist snowflakes.

t. Person who was an absurdist for 2 years then realised it was wrong because of the above reason.

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953917 No.4256

>>4247

Accepting your own perception of reality is a leap of faith, estupido.

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953917 No.4263

>>4256

>accepting what you already accept is a leap of faith

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953917 No.4329

>>4263

>Accepting acceptance accepts a leap of faith

Absurdism is not a leap of faith. A leap of faith is absurd.

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953917 No.4397

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Existentialists in general are just glorified nihilists who believe in free will, which is hilarious since it is a religious dogma and religion is a thing they reject in the first place (except for Kierkegaard).

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99e087 No.5360

>>4397

Existentialism is too broad for anything you say about existentialists per se to apply to any particular existentialist. E.g. I don't believe in free will, although admittedly that's a fairly recent change.

>>4247

Evidence suggests you weren't absurdist.

"I wore ties for two years, then I stopped." Makes sense.

"I had a fundamental cosmology for two years, then I had a different one." Yeah, kek, no you didn't. You can't change your fundamental beliefs wholesale with any kind of speed. Ergo it wasn't fundamental. Ergo it wasn't a cosmology. Hence, it was a fashion statement.

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c2abcc No.2357 [Open thread]

Is this what XXI century philosophy looks like?

http://mundusmillennialis.com

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c2abcc No.4121

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What did he meme by this?

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c2abcc No.4356

>>4121

Politeness in excess transgresses personal boundaries, and alienates other individuals by producing a psychological barrier as a consequence of the other's rejection, and of the subject's extreme socialization of the other.

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c2abcc No.4368

>>4121

Probably that when you are excessively formal it puts up a barrier that makes human connection impossible due to the robotic rigidity of politeness taken to an excess.

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c2abcc No.4369

>>4368

But also as said here

>>4356

It can also be a cause of transgression into others' personal space due to obsequiousness.

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c2abcc No.4370

>>4369

Ps. I think that this especially what is meant hence the "avid" at the beginning.

I don't think that indifference is rude in itself. It's just a default mode.

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