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2c0b96 No.1392 [Open thread]>>1399 [Watch Thread][Show All Posts]

Having watch the Matrix series again and more properly than before I've found some very interesting philosophical references, such as Plato's cave allegory, what's your favorite piece of philosophy from Matrix?
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2c0b96 No.1399>>1402

>>1392 (OP)
it's a very simple epistemology lesson.

it takes the typical fedora tipping scientist's world and tears it right out of his mind.

a few professors referenced it in lectures. surprisingly, large numbers of students didn't understand because of the generational gap. gettin' old...
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2c0b96 No.1402>>1451

>>1399
fedora tipping scientists actually do good in the world and are employed, unlike philosophers. saying that something MIGHT be possible doesnt mean it is.
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2c0b96 No.1419

Red pill blue pill

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2c0b96 No.1451>>5662

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>>1402

yeah, they're really making our lives better aren't they.

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41cf2e No.5662

>>1451

BUMP

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80041a No.5477 [Open thread]>>5626 [Watch Thread][Show All Posts]

How has philosophy changed your views on the other fields of study?

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9ba4d5 No.5589

>>5587

Philosophy shouldn't be here because this is quite a horrible MS Paint comic which is only recognized because its popular. Its just for people that want to feel smart.

While I'm at it I might as well post a response to one of his comics. Not the one in the OP but whatever.

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17e44a No.5590>>5591

What is Purity?

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046234 No.5591

>>5590

Before knowing what is right and wrong is

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5281b6 No.5626>>5659

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>>5477 (OP)

>>5587

fixed

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39e8af No.5659

>>5626

Define fixed

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55b41d No.5645 [Open thread][Watch Thread][Show All Posts]

>mind is matter

<matter is mind

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cd6462 No.5656

This is now a neutral monist thread.

Discuss how like recognizes like.

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26a521 No.5652 [Open thread][Watch Thread][Show All Posts]

HEY! Succubi loving, old-tome quotin', tulpa grabbin' sychophants of the occult, I'm talking to you!

Do you like the human mind? Do you like to explore your dreams? Do you seek the answers to your problems? Ever heard of MBTI? How about Enneagrams? Do you think that sorta stuff is nerd astrology? Do you want a place to discuss creepy things with creepy people?

Do you just wanna freely bantz people?

Looking to meet friends?

Are you just bored as hell?

Do you want to see hell?

Want a place to pick up some hentai?

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Join BEYOND PERSONALITY!

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774035 No.4638 [Open thread]>>5651 [Watch Thread][Show All Posts]

In what order should I read Robert Anton Wilson?

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4d6ed6 No.5651

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>>4638 (OP)

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3f1777 No.5647 [Open thread][Watch Thread][Show All Posts]

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9152d4 No.5650

Betelgeuse is a cow, right ?

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d5d975 No.5235 [Open thread][Watch Thread][Show All Posts]

Hello /philosophy/. Some of us have founded a reading group on Discord. The topic is political philosophy and economics from a libertarian and classically liberal perspective, but we also plan to read famous or relevant works that disagree with us. There are about 25 of us so far, and pics related are the first five books we'll be reading.

Here's the link, if you're interested: https://discord.gg/4MP7WA

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4ee4f2 No.5238>>5239

If I joined, how much would Tencent get for each post?

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d5d975 No.5239>>5409

New link: https://discord.gg/wWttxx

>>5238

If you're not happy with discord, no problem. It's the best book club I know of, is all. I tried getting /liberty/ to read more, but with moderate success. Although granted, we got some smart members there already.

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4ef547 No.5409

>>5239

>https://discord.gg/wWttxx

>The instant invite is invalid or has expired.

Does the group still exist?

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d0766b No.5641

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I found this philosophy discord a while back called the union. It's fairly active, and if you throw something substantial out there will always be a decent response. But most of all I like the voice calls, people just having thoughtful conversations, it's nice.

What makes this server better than others, and there are so many others, is that the admins aren't bureaucratic marxists who need to control the tone and topic all the time, they just don't tolerate shitposting. Anyways, figured I'd just tell you guys that there actually is a non-shit chat out there.

https://discord.gg/haVdPuP

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39660b No.5611 [Open thread][Watch Thread][Show All Posts]

>2017 Year of our Lord and Savior, Saint Max

>still sacrificing yourself to abstract immaterial ideas over your own will

>still constraining yourself with ridiculous notions such as rights and social limitations

>not being in a union of egoists

>still worshiping "god"

>still willing to die for your "country"

>not doing things because they're "immoral"

>still thinking there's a such thing as value outside yourself

>not being a nominalist

>still thinking arbitrary abstract definitions can ever actually apply to the unique one when he is really an undefinable enigmatic entity that can only be decribed as his ownness

>being a moralist ragamuffin

>not drinking milk

>not starting a co-op with your best bros

>still reading watered-down hacks like Friedrich "A horse is a horse, I had a mental breakdown of course, of course" Nietzche

>taking Ayn "Every Man's self-interest is his, now let me define what yours is" Rand seriously

Why do you insist on being so spooked?

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0024d6 No.5619>>5631

>still sacrificing yourself to abstract immaterial ideas over your own will

>abstract immaterial ideas

>your own will

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b93874 No.5624>>5625 >>5631

Chad Nietzche died of syphilis in the midst of madness from fucking too many whores.

Virgin Stirner died from a bug bite.

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d84519 No.5625>>5631

>>5624

Stirner was an anti- feminst who took avdvantage of two wives and their inheritances. Nietzsche was taken advantage of by women.

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f534fd No.5631

>>5619

ideas outside yourself that you conflate with your own interest, is what is meant.

>>5624

Nietzsche actually died of a brain tumor.

Stirner died from being stung by a bee.

>>5625

Stirner truly loved his wives. First one died from childbirth and the kid was stillborn. Second one left him because he was anti-religious.

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d8ae38 No.5640

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Did you just assume my ethical position?

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6415c4 No.5592 [Open thread]>>5634 [Watch Thread][Show All Posts]

HEY! Epistemology loving, old-tome quoting, self-analysing brainfuls! I'm talking to you!

Do you like the human mind? Do you seek the answers to your problems? Ever heard of MBTI? How about Enneagrams? Do you think that sorta stuff is nerd astrology? Do you want a place to discuss fascinating things with fascinating people?

Do you just wanna freely bantz people?

Looking to meet friends?

Are you just bored as hell?

Do you want to see hell?

Want a place to pick up some hentai?

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Join BEYOND PERSONALITY!

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623797 No.5606

>>5604

Did you switch to normalfag because you knew normie was wrong? That's like conceding the point.

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d944db No.5630>>5632

>>5594

https://discordapp.com/privacy

seems pretty normal...they will aggregate and use internally but when they fail they will sell your ass out. Seems no different then the telecom companies I'm forced to patronize or every maps app or every program I've paid for or most banks or... thats the world it sucks; call your congressman

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6b8035 No.5632

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>>5630

>seems pretty normal

You can't repay a $30,000,000 debt by doing things that "seem pretty normal". It simply isn't possible.

You should brush up on your policy reading, by the way.

Let me give you a example

>Our Disclosure of Your Information

>The Company is not in the business of selling your information.

If they really meant it, you would further specify,

>The Company is not in the business of selling your information, and does not share information with companies that are in the business of selling your information.

>call your congressman

How to spend your time doing things that won't do shit 101

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23db64 No.5634

>>5592 (OP)

We cannot truly know anything

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23db64 No.5636

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fuck off back to /pol/ brainlet>>5604

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812fcc No.1994 [Open thread]>>1997 >>1999 [Watch Thread][Show All Posts]

so /philosophy/,

was visiting my mom the other week and got into an argument. she thinks that the 2000 year old sand nigger will bitch slap the US with earthquakes because we allow gayfags to marry. i dont care about gay marriage, but i do care about justifying crazy shit with other crazy shit.

heres how the argument went.

>gods gonna shit on the US cuz fags are married!

thats fucking crazy, how do you know that.

>the bible says so

why is the bible true

>because i feel it in my heart to be true

if feelings are the source of truth, then if i feel that Xipe Totec wants me to rape babies and throw them into a volcano, then it is?

how do i better argue against her crazy fucking shit.

pic sorta related, a philosophinx

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812fcc No.1997

>>1994 (OP)

>the bible says so

That's not even true. Tell her to point out to you exactly where the causal link is made in the Bible. There is condemnation for homosexual acts, but the punishment always came from humans (under Gods orders), not God himself. Aside from Sodom, Gomorrha and the Flood, that is, but those only happened because EVERYONE was messed up, not just because of gays.

If you take away the Bible as a source for her bigotry, she'll be left with the emotional argument. And in that case, just tell her that she can't assume truth from faith or even conviction alone. It's an easy point to make and an easy point to understand. She likely won't listen because of that, but if you want to stay reasonable and not keep quiet it's the way I'd suggest.

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812fcc No.1999

>>1994 (OP)

Hurricane katrina was punishment for gays, the 16th richest man said so himself, and why doubt authority?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hurricane_Katrina_as_divine_retribution

I know how you feel. My grandmother believes she could have been electricuted when her costa rican shower malfunctioned and lit on fire, and that it's a miracle she lived, therefore God had a purpose for her (providence). She gets insulted and won't listen when you say, "either that or you just got lucky, like I do every day that I walk down a busy street with cars that could kill me."

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812fcc No.2150

Just tell her that God is not going to destroy the U.S. Other human beings will eventually do that. But anyway, just tell her that God's kingdom is not of this world, and this world will always be a degenerate cesspool. Any decent christian should know that.

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812fcc No.2162

You can ask her if she's ever felt anything in her heart was true and it turned out to be false.

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9168df No.5622

the world will die because humans are slave to material objects

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ed3903 No.3448 [Open thread]>>5582 [Watch Thread][Show All Posts]

is a man who does bad deeds sometimes, but on the whole does good, still a good man?

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b3a210 No.5277

>>5272

That's a matter of definition. In Christian theology, there are no good men because 'good' is defined by God and us humans are inherently incapable of living up to it. If you want to say somebody is 'good for society' then perhaps an atheist child is more likely to be good than a Christian child, and it is probably a direct result of their beliefs and upbringing. That being said, averages cannot be applied to individuals because averages are collections, and there is no individual that perfectly meets every single average statistic about him/her right in the middle.

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73b3d5 No.5526

if it provides a greater society for all, then they're ok

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ff3209 No.5564>>5566

there is no such thing as good or bad man and whoever says so is full of shit, there can be actions that can be considered evil, though. basically all violence sans self-defense

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8b8b7d No.5566

>>5564

>No breaking the NAP

Did you forget your Voluntarism flag?

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52c77d No.5582

>>3448 (OP)

Can a racist still be a good person?

I think the question hinges on whether you think a person can be misguided while having selfless intentions you could call good.

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590aac No.5400 [Open thread]>>5432 >>5569 [Watch Thread][Show All Posts]

How did Nietzsche eat soup?

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895108 No.5432>>5438

>>5400 (OP)

Define "eat soup."

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f8bd6d No.5438

>>5432

To go down on your mom.

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e921ee No.5465

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He hugs the bowl and says 'I understand you'

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981fc6 No.5569

>>5400 (OP)

What is soup?

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04546d No.5577

He did it while singing, probably ティアフレーレ.

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83c952 No.641 [Open thread][Watch Thread][Show All Posts]

What does /philosophy/ think of LessWrong? Do you like their epistemological approach?
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73916e No.5220>>5222

>>5213

Nanomachines aren't magic, Anon. When you die, you die for good. His insistence upon nanomachines is nothing more than a wishful thinking fantasy to escape the primal fear of death.

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b88dd6 No.5222>>5567

>>5220

this is 100% ignorance. we've been able to live with artificial hearts for years; death is always caused by something, not "old age"

I could go on and on and on but not wasting my time with such idiotic thinking. you can say it's not rational but is a logical possibility. if you disagree you need to read a fucking book sometime

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d042cf No.5288

Modern update of Rationalist lopsided tribalist philosophy.

The sequences are a species of too little too late. If you don't already know them, then reading the sequences won't help. They're baldly obvious if you can think clearly. If you can't think clearly, being handed the products of clear thinking merely enable your epistemic insanity.

>>835

^^^^

>>5196

Robots spontaneously developing consciousness is about as likely as robots spontaneously developing antigravity for hovering.

Remember, intelligence is omnipotence. If you want to live forever, the only barrier isn't the second law of thermodynamics or anything like that, but how smart you are!

>>648

Real philosophers treat English like math. Let X = 8. Let 'philosophy' = 'the study of logic.' If it's not precise enough, make it more precise.

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d042cf No.5289

Remember that cells ARE nanomachines. Metallic nanomachines will hardly be able to do anything that moist carbon nanomachines can't already do.

E.g. the grey goo scenario literally already happened. Only it was green, from chlorophyll. You may notice the biosphere survived, and Earth is still here.

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037328 No.5567

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>>5222

>this is 100% ignorance. we've been able to live with artificial hearts for years; death is always caused by something, not "old age"

The telemeres in your cells get shorter and shorter every time they reproduce, everntually they run out, your genetics is hard-coded for you to die at a certain age (assuming something else doesn't kill you first), before you die your cells basically do a mass suicide. Read a fucking biology book, nigger.

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4509e7 No.4127 [Open thread]>>5390 >>5565 [Watch Thread][Show All Posts]

Plato talked mad shit about the sophists, but he's got me generally curious about learning to appeal to people.

What can I read to become the modern day Gorgias? (I can't find any of his works, does anyone have a link?)

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4509e7 No.4998

Recently the polls say that the number of young people who do not necessarily believe democracy is vital has risen in most countries, and there's a lot to say for that idea if you accept how many people are so incredibly stupid and unqualified to talk about politics that they shouldn't have any part in decision making which affects the rest of us-- (particularly when there are smarter or more educated people they refuse to even listen to, who could definitely make better decisions). The question then becomes of how to select those people so we get ruled by a meritocracy of the intelligentsia, instead of aristocracies run by unqualified "elites" that lack empathy towards the lives they're managing. Perhaps the best possible ruler would be a former selfless psychologist sent to law school, and then educated in the illusions and realities of world affairs, and mentored in good governance. Anyone who can't demonstrate community service can't be trusted to serve people of other classes and shouldn't lead.

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4509e7 No.5021>>5066 >>5390

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Plato didn't know shit.

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4509e7 No.5066>>5390

>>5021

>Fuck Diogenes

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56cf37 No.5390

>>5066

>small brain

>>5021

>normie brain

Plato and Diogenes are both badasses who could would feed you your children for breakfast...metaphorically speaking.

>>4127 (OP)

Modern politicians are all practicing Sophists. If you want what Gorgias would say about a thing, just ask your local rep what they would say about it.

The difference is that Gorgias said things that appealed to local Greeks, whereas your local rep (or a revived Gorgias) will say things that appeal to your locals.

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6c66bb No.5565

>>4127 (OP)

wasn't plato a sophist just more hypocritical though? he wrote 38 books to prove that black is white

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Post deep sayings.

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19fd15 No.5259>>5262

It ain't those parts of the Bible that I can't understand that bother me, it is the parts that I do understand. Mark Twain

It is never more difficult to make someone understand a concept than someone whose paycheque depends on them not understanding it.

Upton Sinclair

Voltaire's and Sagan's quotes are so similar:

“You can't convince a believer of anything; for their belief is not based on evidence, it's based on a deep seated need to believe”

Carl Sagan

It's difficult to reason a person out of a position they didn't reason themselves into.

- Someone probably

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c9bc12 No.5262

>>5259

wtf I hate Christianity now

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78fae9 No.5283

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5318a4 No.5550

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Out of all negative traits of the leftists the most apparent one is stupidity.

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