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dad4cc No.6951 [Open thread]>>6974 [Watch Thread][Show All Posts]

>The third way is taken from possibility and necessity, and runs thus. We find in nature things that are possible to be and not to be, since they are found to be generated, and to corrupt, and consequently, they are possible to be and not to be. But it is impossible for these always to exist, for that which is possible not to be at some time is not. Therefore, if everything is possible not to be, then at one time there could have been nothing in existence. Now if this were true, even now there would be nothing in existence, because that which does not exist only begins to exist by something already existing. Therefore, if at one time nothing was in existence, it would have beenimpossible for anything to have begun to exist; and thus even now nothing would be in existence---which is absurd. Therefore, not all beings are merely possible, but there must exist something the existence of which is necessary. But every necessary thing either has its necessity caused by another, or not. Now it is impossible to go on to infinity in necessary things which have their necessity caused by another, as has been already proved in regard to efficient causes. Therefore we cannot but postulate the existence of some being having of itself its own necessity, and not receiving it from another, but rather causing in others their necessity. This all men speak of as God.

Is there any refutation to the Saint Thomas Aquinas's third way?

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36541a No.6974

>>6951 (OP)

I think the most obvious problem is he follows the now widely discredited idea that all things that are eternally the case are necessary, and contingent things cannot be eternally the case. Just because the world is contingent it doesn't follow that the possibility of there being nothing at all has to be realized at some point in time.

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641b97 No.6978

I'm an advocate a no refutation from me

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b3fb83 No.5510 [Open thread]>>6972 [Watch Thread][Show All Posts]

Here is a form of atheism that you could explain to 4th century BC Greeks. Greeks were geniuses at abstract thinking and great at seeing through bullshit. Discuss.

https://elearning-gilman.remote-learner.net/pluginfile.php/54035/mod_resource/content/0/Ancient_Greece/Ancient_Greece_-_Critias_-_Fragment_on_Religion.pdf

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b3fb83 No.5513

>>5512

Because there is no God keeping everything working in our perfectly designed universe.

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2b2eb3 No.5542>>5544

>really implying The Greeks were secular in any sense of the word

simple refutation, they still believed in theocracy hierarchy.

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b3fb83 No.5544

>>5542

Can you read? Critias was allegedly an atheist and he was a greek, so whatever you're trying to say in bad English is false.

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b7761c No.6972>>7208

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>>5510 (OP)

There's a popular new book on the history of atheism in ancient philosophy which might interest you. It's called "Battling the Gods: atheism in the ancient world."

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30bd7d No.7208

>>6972

>Empiricism has a claim over all other philosophy cause I say so

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958c15 No.6971 [Open thread][Watch Thread][Show All Posts]

Both the history of philosophy and the new logic should be sufficiently taught to philosophy students.

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549682 No.6256 [Open thread][Watch Thread][Show All Posts]

What's the best introduction to the philosophy of Hegel (specifically the aspects of it that have been relevant to Marx and the young-hegelians)? Is there any work by Hegel himself that's actually comprehensible without spending hours on one page?

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43efc3 No.6928>>6965

>>6920

True. Lesbians are quarrelsome with one another. Gay men make the biggest whores look like saints. And for the most women voted for this carp because they are impressions children at heart. Even Hegel said "those that dont learn from the past are doomed to repeat it" and what does liberal democracy, they reinforce those mistakes and make them stick, the glue that does the opposite of its intention, the kind that tears society at its seams.

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79d149 No.6940>>6952

>>6927

was not american republicanism supposed to give voting rights for white men only? i remember seing infographic on it

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43efc3 No.6952>>6958

>>6940

yeah at first. then women whined. and POC whined.

fuck paying attention to whiners.

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7f9d54 No.6958

>>6952

next step will be kids whining

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43efc3 No.6965

>>6928

Oh well

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6b58b6 No.6857 [Open thread][Watch Thread][Show All Posts]

It's not just that i am sad. The worst thing is the lack of motivation . I really fell no motivation for anything.. I feel that the man simply calves with age, I see it clearly. For me the world is no longer so interesting, fascination and enthusiasm are slowly extinguishing, I became boring person.

I fell loneliness of incomprehension - I am in a crowd of friends, family, buzz , but ... there is no one to share with my feelings, emotions. Only talks about clichés.

I fell loneliness by ignoring - I become invisible in the eyes of others. Loneliness is also when you pass several hundred people in the city center within an hour, and for each of them you are worth as much as nothing , when the only way that others perceive you is perceiving as a client .

Added to this is the feeling of my own mediocrity. If you are not unique, you do not look special, you do not have exceptional talent, you were not born in a unique place, you do not have special skills or have a bigger purpose in life, you will always be just a little gray man, about whom the world will never he has heard or he will never hear. I am 24 and I am overwhelmed by the thought that nothing interesting will happen to me anymore.

If I had any talents, could do something specific, maybe I would feel better and needed. In the meantime, I am such a gray man that it is no longer possible. Why do I need a life consisting of going to work every day which I do not like, coming back from work, killing time with something that neither develops or amuses me, going to sleep and waking up in the morning for work.. I am constantly afraid that I will not achieve anything in my life and experience it as if I have never really lived.

I feel that I am not being helped by drugs or by the advice of psychiatrists and psychologists, motivational speakers and I do not know what to do. Would anyone have any advice for me, a solution?

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9ba978 No.6863

αβουλία

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7220c9 No.6953>>6956

Hello friend,

sorry to hear about your lack of enthusiasm for life, it is a sad feeling as I personally have been there before. What sense/use or purpose does it serve to live in this world.. a world surrounded by 'norm' and generally UN-authenticity. To truly know the answer or AID to your question and confusion, you first must dive into the deepest and darkest.. once you are almost there you will 'know'. The last grasp of energy will awaken inside of you to flick that switch inside your mind. To be fortunate enough to be alive in comparison to many others around this world, having the ability to eat/sleep without the fear of losing your life at any given moment is the 1st blessing. Perhaps you should consider traveling? I know you mentioned that you don't feel the need/want to work - home - rest (kill time with senseless & numbing activities to pass time) but maybe for the 'cause' it is worth it.. Maybe work for a little bit, it doesn't have to be anything granduous or something which you have a personal interest for.. Get some cash flow happening, save it up and set yourself up for an unlikely destination, somewhere which is not over ruled by modern western influences. (maybe try south east asia or if daring, india/africa) The reason for this suggestion is because once you go there, you first hand see the 'suffering' and struggles everyday people go through in order to 'survive' (NOT LIVE - SURVIVE).. maybe seeing this site will be able to give you inspiration in order for you to pave your way? Once you return from your trip (or perhaps you might even consider staying there for a short moment to do some volunteer work) .... What you lack is purpose/drive.. something more and outside of yourself... your mental & spiritual state is at a low... you need a CHANGE, this change is from within... I'm not here to preach to you, nor to tell you to turn to some religious craze fanatic.. you need some re-alignment and taste the nectar of life.. 24, you're still young dear friend.. there is more awaiting for you, if you are willing to open yourself to opportunities. I sincerely wish you the best and may you one day be able to reflect back on these dark days and know that you are LIVING.. 11:11 - you'll never know who I am, i'll never know who you are... i am among the many people you supposedly walk past, the random stranger who you know nothing about.. yet we do have 1 thing in common.. we are human, aPost too long. Click here to view the full text.

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99e128 No.6956

>>6953

:

If nothing would give you fun, what would you try to do? Any hobby, occupation? Limited budget:

I tried:

- computer games

- checkers

-reding books

-riding on the bike

-spaces and running

- putting the puzzle together

-cooking

-computer programming

I tried many things but everything is just forcing for me. Such a compulsion that I can't really get excited about any of these activities. I do not feel completely fascinated by anything. I can't even look at a film or a show, because I feel pressured to do it. When I forced myself to do it, I accelerated it 2x to finish it faster. With books the same. Computer games too. Music does not interest me either, everything that will go, I cant choose what I like and what I do not like. As for the difference between simply killing time with entertainment and real passion: you can simply ride a bike, and you can read about new trends, be interested in bicycle parts, assemble bikes from parts yourself, repair them, exchange parts and browse with fascination new catalog Specialized bicycle parts.

Another example: If a "fan of beer" drinks because he drinks, it is not a hobby. If, however, he knows everything about beer, not just drinking it, he can brew his own beer, he differentiates beer, he knows how they arise, what is the difference between beer foam A and beer B, it is a hobby in every way. Generally, people often say that they are interested in something, and in fact, just like with this beer, they just drink it and nothing else. Well, that's what I wanted to say in a nutshell to distinguish "quasi-hobbyists" from real hobbyists.

I feel the difference between a real, developing hobby (which even promotes social interactions and improving relationships between people), and a compulsive, addictive provision of instant, easy, unconditional pleasure (which you do not need to work) through various, intensified stimuli in excessive amoPost too long. Click here to view the full text.

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c100ed No.6790 [Open thread][Watch Thread][Show All Posts]

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08b446 No.6936>>6937

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e9a4b0 No.6937

>>6936

This unironically

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2767e7 No.6943

Sloppily written. And the association of a bunch of arbitrary modern artifacts with Stoicism based on some vague surface resemblance apparent to the author, seems to be an indulgence of modern tastes with little meaningful to say about Stoic ideals.

>The affinities between modern art and archaic art are too obvious to need proof.

Come again mate?

Modern art is mostly random trash that’s been artificially inflated by cliquish investors as a financial scam. The whole category has no distinguishing aesthetic traits, by definition.

Seems like another presentist pleb trying to twist ancient culture to fit his own myopically modern worldview.

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3dfb80 No.6491 [Open thread][Watch Thread][Show All Posts]

Stephen Woodford founder of Rationality Rules, where we debunk and refute predominately religious and supernatural arguments. Does anyone follow him? And what do you think about his videos?

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c49d39 No.6905>>6923

Ungern was right that all atheists/secular jews/the same damn thing, should be dealt with fire and brimstone.

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aef4b8 No.6923>>6929

>>6905

why?

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c49d39 No.6929

>>6923

Because atheists have become a cult into themselves, a cult of self-aggrandizing fart sniffers, just like jews. They don't need to keep replicating. Fuck off we're full.

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0fa0db No.6935

>>6686

terrible bait

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c49d39 No.6939

>>6676

ORANGE MAN BAD

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700b3f No.6879 [Open thread][Watch Thread][Show All Posts]

Anons with a degree in philosophy, if I also obtain a degree in philosophy, unless I demonstrate ineptitude, will my ramblings magically be given an audience and real scholastic consideration?

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6ac389 No.6933

Didn’t continue down the path of philosophy because that would have been retarded.

I went into education, with an interest in philosophical education. What I’ve seen from philosophical education conferences is that all the philosophers in attendance were desperately looking for an audience and an employer.

Become a teacher instead. You get a job that meaningfully contributes to society and pays the bills, and you get to philosophise on a regular basis with a captive audience.

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a03bc0 No.6907 [Open thread][Watch Thread][Show All Posts]

makes Schopenhauer seem sane

he seems to despise the jews because "they don't know death, only eternal life"

sheeiiiiit

https://aryanskynet.wordpress.com/2017/04/22/revolution-dictatorship-romanianism-and-transfiguration-emil-ciorans-taboo-book/

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36606b No.6909>>6913

>Wordpress

Not even with a 10 foot iron pole.

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a03bc0 No.6913

>>6909

Just read the god/man/thing you lesbian fuck

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55b724 No.6876 [Open thread]>>6896 [Watch Thread][Show All Posts]

Thoughts on the Irenaean theodicy? I follow it as a deist.

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33a386 No.6896

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>>6876 (OP)

You're not a Chad yet. Be a chad, and be a catholic.

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7f859b No.6906

I would say that the problem of evil is not free will or determinism but a combination of both. I probably would be an Aquinian Theodicist, though a wiki for that does not exist. likely is not popular enough. Schopenhauer is/was sort of one in the secular world and its one place Kant and I break from philosophical unity.

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84ffed No.6910

Better than Augustinian theodicy that's for sure.

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3ec2b3 No.6552 [Open thread]>>6566 [Watch Thread][Show All Posts]

There  is no phenoumenal world, we imagine it.

Qualia != phenoumenal.

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780138 No.6566>>6882

>>6552 (OP)

Elaborate

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d79b6c No.6882

>>6566

The OP is merely a pseudointellectual advocation of solipsism. The furthest one could get from subjective != objective (there is always a less pompous word that yet captures the same meaning of the statement in every possible meaningful way. qualiaty of thought > authority by obscurity) is not knowing whether there is an objective world - not knowledge grasped magically from the ether that there is no objective world.

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197a1c No.6807 [Open thread]>>6816 [Watch Thread][Show All Posts]

Name one metaphysic that isn't ontological

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b24a13 No.6816>>6878

>>6807 (OP)

Is your argument that ontology contains all of metaphysics?

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18fc7d No.6878

>>6816

That isn't my argument but would seem to be the case lest someone provide an example of otherwise.

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93f25f No.545 [Open thread][Last50 Posts]>>6787 [Watch Thread][Show All Posts]

Your favorite 3 philosophers in order

1. Socrates
2. Nietzsche
3. Plato

pic related, that's Friedrich himself.
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79e1a0 No.6692

>>5969

That's my nigga.

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dc0cd4 No.6739>>6871

1. Rene Guenon

2. Thomas Aquinas

3. Blaise Pascal

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0c2fe5 No.6787

>>545 (OP)

1. Wilde

2. Stirner

3. Epicurus

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e6731d No.6810

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>>825

Amen.

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fc84f6 No.6871

>>6739

Based as fuck for listing Guénon. It amazes me how his writings get more and more relevant with time.

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e585ab No.1845 [Open thread]>>6865 [Watch Thread][Show All Posts]

/philosophy/

What would the world be like if the Library of Alexandria was never destroyed?

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777602 No.5703

>>5684

Imagine an entire wall of writes about bump

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2a3da8 No.6846>>6851

I hate theoretical history but honestly we would likely be harvesting the energy of our sun by now, if humans only respected such a treasure now lost setting us back probably 10,000 years.

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193ff6 No.6847

>>1873

All of Aristotle's dialogues (yes, Aristotle wrote dialogues which were said by Cicero to be better than Plato's), and La Comedia were lost in the destruction of the Library. His lecture notes are all we have.

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881232 No.6851

>>6846

we are now harvestign energy of sun...

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7757a3 No.6865

>>1845 (OP)

The early Christians destroyed the last of the books. Edward Gibbon wrote about how they burned them all because they thought some contained occult books or paganism. Christians created the dark ages.

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25653a No.6854 [Open thread][Watch Thread][Show All Posts]

Jesus of Nazareth, 1977

https://imdb.com/title/tt0075520/

4 day viewing starting tomorrow December 18th-22nd 5 PM CST(11 PM UTC)

https://twitch.tv/a7runaway

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0a61db No.6855

>Twitch

Isn't Cytube more of 8chan's streaming platform?

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