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4509e7 No.4127 [Open thread]

Plato talked mad shit about the sophists, but he's got me generally curious about learning to appeal to people.

What can I read to become the modern day Gorgias? (I can't find any of his works, does anyone have a link?)

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4509e7 No.4998

File: 1c15d8d930d3e9b⋯.jpg (49.91 KB,850x400,17:8,quote-do-not-expect-plato-….jpg)

Recently the polls say that the number of young people who do not necessarily believe democracy is vital has risen in most countries, and there's a lot to say for that idea if you accept how many people are so incredibly stupid and unqualified to talk about politics that they shouldn't have any part in decision making which affects the rest of us-- (particularly when there are smarter or more educated people they refuse to even listen to, who could definitely make better decisions). The question then becomes of how to select those people so we get ruled by a meritocracy of the intelligentsia, instead of aristocracies run by unqualified "elites" that lack empathy towards the lives they're managing. Perhaps the best possible ruler would be a former selfless psychologist sent to law school, and then educated in the illusions and realities of world affairs, and mentored in good governance. Anyone who can't demonstrate community service can't be trusted to serve people of other classes and shouldn't lead.

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4509e7 No.5021

File: e7d83df15aca340⋯.jpg (77.85 KB,900x750,6:5,diogenes.jpg)

Plato didn't know shit.

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4509e7 No.5066

>>5021

>Fuck Diogenes

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56cf37 No.5390

>>5066

>small brain

>>5021

>normie brain

Plato and Diogenes are both badasses who could would feed you your children for breakfast...metaphorically speaking.

>>4127

Modern politicians are all practicing Sophists. If you want what Gorgias would say about a thing, just ask your local rep what they would say about it.

The difference is that Gorgias said things that appealed to local Greeks, whereas your local rep (or a revived Gorgias) will say things that appeal to your locals.

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6c66bb No.5565

>>4127

wasn't plato a sophist just more hypocritical though? he wrote 38 books to prove that black is white

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317a5c No.5102 [Open thread]

Post deep sayings.

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19fd15 No.5259

It ain't those parts of the Bible that I can't understand that bother me, it is the parts that I do understand. Mark Twain

It is never more difficult to make someone understand a concept than someone whose paycheque depends on them not understanding it.

Upton Sinclair

Voltaire's and Sagan's quotes are so similar:

“You can't convince a believer of anything; for their belief is not based on evidence, it's based on a deep seated need to believe”

Carl Sagan

It's difficult to reason a person out of a position they didn't reason themselves into.

- Someone probably

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c9bc12 No.5262

>>5259

wtf I hate Christianity now

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78fae9 No.5283

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5318a4 No.5550

File: c9f355c3183dcca⋯.jpg (36.58 KB,563x353,563:353,prof.Wolniewicz.jpg)

Out of all negative traits of the leftists the most apparent one is stupidity.

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f3688e No.5552

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2de83e No.2838 [Open thread]

Has anyone read Confused Man, I mean Confucius? Overall I don't like his philosophy, since he was hopelessly sexist, autocratic, and life denying. He made asians into drones that follow a hierarchy, preserved superstision and killed creativity. In English I call him confused man, but in Chinese I call him lao fu because it sounds like "loud fool."

http://jkllr.net/confucianism-at-a-glance/

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2de83e No.2870

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3e8911 No.5537

>hopelessly sexist, autocratic, and life denying

>being this much of an altruistic, cosmopolitan, humanist shill

nigger please.

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51b210 No.5538

File: 613cada0d1abeb8⋯.gif (2.06 MB,843x472,843:472,1458347552316.gif)

>>5537

>Christ flag bashing at people for being Altruistic

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3e8911 No.5541

>>5538

read up on Arianism, pls.

heresy that was condemned at Nicea that permeates itself thru Christian Liberalism and Secular Humanism alike.

you can kill an ideology's adherents but you can't kill an ideology itself, ipso facto.

Traditionalist Christianity has nothing whatsoever to do with that, and to imply that is a typical autheist making naked abstractions and universalist dialectics.

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fc6e39 No.5549

File: 674783814fc92f3⋯.jpg (300.69 KB,1873x1721,1873:1721,fvc.jpg)

>he was hopelessly sexist, autocratic, and life denying. He made asians into drones that follow a hierarchy, preserved superstision and killed creativity

He was only trying to stop everyone from being nihilistic warlords. Your anachronistic reading suggests to me you don't know his work or history enough

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f44e13 No.4871 [Open thread]

anything with philosophical content.

pic related: i suspect that the original gothic rock scene would have quite a bit of nihilism within it's lyrics, guessing from how many goths love to read the likes of byron, poe, lovecraft, shelly.

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f44e13 No.4875

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0b6338 No.5319

If you try to make art as philosophy, you get bad philosophy and worse art.

If you try to make a song that's philosophy first and a song second, you will get bad philosophy, and a worse song. If instead you let the song be the best song it can be, it will have very little in the way of philosophy left in it.

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4f87bb No.5543

industrial was very good at dialectics

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80bd9d No.4668 [Open thread]

what was his fucking problem?

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80bd9d No.4683

That he was forever separated from perfect knowledge of the good.

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5a9fda No.5334

The one with the problem is you, Anon. He was making a sincere attempt at breaking completely new ground. It's not easy.

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21673a No.5533

Aristotle was much better

he made it pretty clear why women make terrible rulers

Wherefore women are more compassionate and more readily made to weep, more jealous and querulous, founder of the railing, and more contentious. The female also is more subject to depression of spirits and despair than the male. She is also more shameless and false, more readily deceived, and more mindful of injury, more watchful, more idle, and on the whole less excitable than the male. On the contrary, the male is more ready to help, and, as it has been said, braver than the female; and even in malaria, if the sepia is struck with a trident, the male comes to help the female, but the female makes her escape if the male is struck."

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0f08ee No.5404 [Open thread]

Why am I so amazingly smart? QFT

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d17024 No.5405

You experience this illusion because you've been surrounded by your intellectual inferiors your whole life. Leave your home and find a place where you will frequently be the least intelligent person in the room, and you will be able to grow and learn far more than ever before.

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69cac5 No.5433

File: 5566d72aa829ab3⋯.jpg (140.94 KB,1493x1600,1493:1600,5566d72aa829ab3380e958b5b8….jpg)

>>5404

>absurdism

>intelligent

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6f1013 No.5436

>>5433

Its the default flag, so everyone gets it by default.

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885607 No.5532

because you enjoy pleasing yourself sexually.

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dca976 No.4664 [Open thread]

was he autistic?

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dca976 No.4677

>>4664

He was filled with the Spirit of the LORD

>>4666

Get thee behind me Satan

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dca976 No.4694

>>4664

I heard he was afraid of being anywhere near women. First MGTOW?

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dca976 No.4704

>>4694

I'm pretty sure he had a child out of wedlock, so no

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e5136e No.5330

Hey normie. What's up? GTFO.

>was he right?

Who cares! Maybe he had autism! And then we wouldn't have been able to have a beer together!

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2dc531 No.5531

falling down the rabbit hole into autism is the final red pill

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fe5acb No.4919 [Open thread]

So Philosophy I've been having a existential crisis. I'm afraid to break my solipsism habit. Everything in the universe revolves around me, Everything I see on tv, read in books, people talking to me. No matter how big the problem or small it is I can't seem to not notice it. because I have nothing more demanding in my life then such I can't stop it. I want to know it is me and still enjoy it. it's annoying me.

Am I being a coward?

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18f771 No.5422

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>>5418

Spot on. DSM won't help you with your depression.

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c10795 No.5424

>>5419

Not exactly. The TV laughter is a good example. The solipsist thinks, "It sounds like someone else laughing about something totally unrelated to me, but actually it's me laughing at me." OP thinks, "I know it's someone else laughing about something that isn't me, but it sounds like they're laughing at me."

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f9b021 No.5431

>>5424

That's what I get " it's me laughing at me" And that I think that laughter is malicious or something I have to improve myself to, my humility

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517474 No.5486

>>4919

Learn something you dont know that is difficult. Read or learn something beyond your capacity. It both makes you humble and cures solipsism. Shit, play a difficult video game

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d8489e No.5530

>>4919

no you are not alone. most Solipsists are maladjusts like you and I. Kafkatrapping is very real but the backfire from us can be worse. its like gaslighting by liberal idealists. the Enlightenment era created a lot of societal outcasts. the only answer to the eternal question is shooting us back to the dark ages. where the real ubermensch will show himself.

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946cb3 No.5265 [Open thread]

Hey guys on /philosophy/! I have a question for you:

If Adolf Hitler were actually real, would you rather play on his team or on the other team? Like if it happened. Who's team would you want to be on? Why or why not?

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251482 No.5267

I would play against him because I don't speak German.

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5785fb No.5268

>If Adolf Hitler were actually real

I thought this was a joke on holocaust not being real but then I started wondering what the FUCK you actually meant because I'm pretty sure people don't deny Adolf existing.

Anyways, probably against him. Yeah he's tough and all but socialism is no-go and he wouldn't have made all that money without trading with countries and then entering war with them..

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006014 No.5468

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bump xd

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d6edf5 No.5469

So far, he has a history of loosing wars. I'd probably not want to be on his side. However, I don't like picking sides. So I may or may not just flip a coin if I had to make the choice.

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3c9f02 No.5525

probably would rather act as a mediator.

>no third option.

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750506 No.4893 [Open thread]

Man, I'm just lost

What's the difference between continental and analytical philosophers? I've just been stumbling in the darkness learning basic things without seriously considering the differences.

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e932a2 No.5481

>>5479

>>5480

Okay so, where do I begin with this one

>People who do dumb things are continental, for continental philosophers are people who do dumb things. Trust me.

I would rather not!

>Emiya Shirou/Archer

So I googled this, result that comes most likely is http://typemoon.wikia.com/wiki/Shirou_Emiya

Why are you using japanese anime in a argument?

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5cebc2 No.5482

>>5481

Emiya Shirou has given more meaningful monologues than Jesus Christ and got followers, like an extreme Jesus, and of course any sef-sacrificing Jesus philosophy not grounded in logic will fail.

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4b23b5 No.5485

>>5482

>Some anime character has given monologues than Jesus Christ

Oh fuck, I have been hooked

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206b1b No.5490

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>>5485

Jesus is a highly overrated ignoramus, and anime philosophy is currently underrated except by intellectuals.

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2843f7 No.5523

>>4895

Dawkins is basically a modernist version of Janus Pifrons.

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c9ab94 No.5274 [Open thread]

What is the difference between Stoicism and Idealism?

I am personally a fan of Neoplatonism

General comparison of philosophy thread I guess

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3cfd80 No.5282

Stoicism is a life plan, and a subsidiary epistemology. Idealism is a cosmology.

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fa6107 No.5522

I've heard my beliefs being described as a mix of "pre-modernism" and "meta-modernism" not sure if that's idealistic or not. most quizzes give me Platonism.

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4e78f6 No.5517 [Open thread]

>Chinese writing actually used to have little guys with fat heads walking around.

This is the philosophy of simplification.

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5c919a No.5518

The latin alphabet used to as well. all written languages are hieroglyph shorthand

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ee980d No.5520

>>5518

And now we have emojis 🤡👹☠️👽☹️😷😩🤥😩🙁☹️🐟🐟🐈🐟🐲🦀🦂🍇🌔🏑🤾🏿‍♂️🏑🎱🏒

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ee980d No.5521

👳🏾👳🏾👳🏾👳🏾👳🏾🛩🛩🛩🏢🏢💣💣💣💣

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80ccae No.4079 [Open thread]

I like Crash Course and School of Life but I feel like maybe they are coloring my perceptions of philosophers and history a little too much, especially now that i've read a bit of Plato and I found there's so much more to him that what their 9 minute episodes could cover.

Do these two channels sucks? If so what channels don't suck?

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80ccae No.4164

>>4158

Funny, after posting that... post, I decided to check him out more in-depth, found HHH, and now I'm a few vids into it. This guy does rule.

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80ccae No.4165

>>4164

His Anselm vids are really good too. I learned a lot from him about Anselm

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b3861c No.5389

>>4082

>>4158

Sadler does seem to have potential. He might know something I don't know, but it just takes so long to wade through all the stuff I already know...

Anyone have a tip for something he covers that seems particular obscure?

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957310 No.5494

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05e23b No.5516

>>4079

>School of Life

Literal trash. The video on the mind body problem was something like

<It's when you, like, don't like the way you look

Don't watch youtube as a substitute for reading the actual book

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d66cd6 No.5183 [Open thread]

"If you can properly phrase the question, then the answer is the easy part, So, to the degree that we can better understand the universe, then we can better know what questions to ask."

-Elon Musk

What do you think the right question to life is?

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c3b33d No.5492

>>5491

We have good reason to not pay much attention to ideas that are unlikely to be true. There isn't time to give every crackpot an ear when he steps on the soapbox; atheists tend to think you need to earn respect and aren't automatically entitled it by virtue of being alive. Of course this is an anonymous image board, but I don't take this place or the posters here that seriously.

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48a781 No.5493

>>5492

That's a very fair position. For myself, I don't discount crackpots because some aspect of truth and some aspect of falsehood can be gleaned from nearly any statement, even if it's just something symbolic that you and your intuition made up. Like all good and mediocre Discordians, I hold the firm belief that I should hold no firm beliefs, but that includes the firm belief that somebody's firm belief is entirely false.

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c3b33d No.5505

>>5493

That's fine when you have the time, but I'd rather listen to rational people because I live in a large enough city that I can avoid the company of people I don't like. I have met too many easily offended Christians who throw a fit at anything you say, even if it has nothing to do with religion. They tend to be prejudiced crackpots with poor methodologies for reaching the truth.

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48a781 No.5507

>>5505

The time's going to pass anyways, and I'm in no rush. I spent 8 months going to hundreds of Bible studies and practicing Christianity, praying several times a day, and whatnot. There's definitely some learning to be done concerning matters that most atheist thinkers would never touch, but truth can definitely be found more quickly elsewhere.

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0dca54 No.5509

test post to update board index.

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4b0c51 No.5495 [Open thread]

but this in the sticky pls

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1y8_RRaZW5X3xwztjZ4p0XeRplqebYwpmuNNpaN_TkgM/mobilebasic

and maybe this too

magnet:?xt=urn:btih:C27562A243FEBE232A82669259C44EB171A255D0&dn=The%20story%20of%20philosophy%28pdf%29

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04bdb4 No.5508

Yeah.

I need to redo the board page anyway. Hang tight, I'm (BO) working on it.

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