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09b114 No.7584 [Open thread][Watch Thread][Show All Posts]

What's a lifespan?

It's a mosquitos fart compared to the evolution of our lifestyle.

Let's produce a show. About a Familly.

Scenario:

The builder of the pyramides extinct after a flood, caused by the end of the iceage

Some 'pharaos' survived in foreign countries, building monuments all over the world.

I want a show about their descendants, from then till now. After each episode, the next generation gets into the lead position.

A show through history, from the perspective of one single family.

How would this change the perspective of our own lifetime? How much could we learn, when we continue, start to write the story of our own future?

When we get in complete control of this monster called time.

Positive suggestion.

If you want to gain perspective, set it into relation.

Another story idea.

A man makes a plan to fly to the stars.

For him and his next 28 Generations.

He got the idea. Generation 3 & 4 make the money.

G 5 - 10 engineer the rockets, create the science.

Generation 12 lifts off, 248 People leave our planet.

The next 13 Generation live their lives in space, on an eternal travel.

At Generation 25 another human spaceship passes by, more advanced and much faster.

They knew about our guys and they have presents, new and better technology from far back home.

Generation 26 arrives at the new planet, faster than expected.

Generation 27 & 28 Set their Foundation for their new civilisation.

This film is the work of the head of the first generation, to visualize his vision. To inform & motivate every single descendant from him to work for this shared vision.

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83bea6 No.7583 [Open thread][Watch Thread][Show All Posts]

https://youtu.be/fabjooTef3I

What happens, when we educate a group of people to organize themself the old ways. All woman organazing together, the man fix problem and find solutions.

We could start experimantal companies, run that way.

Where We Go One We Go In Love.

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b0abfd No.7582 [Open thread][Watch Thread][Show All Posts]

The world has been divides, social progress has bin prohibited for the last 200 Years.

Now the times are changing.

So, what's next?

Liberalism, Capitalism, Nationalism, Communism, Democracy..

All this Ideas are so old. I want something new. Humanity learned so much over the last century. I'd like to use this knowledge. We invented so many devices, some of them are smarter than we are.

Let us use that shit.

So, what's next?

Let us gather ideas.

All of us. Let us compare and combine our ideas. Let us try them. Let us create a list of thousands of ways for humans to live together, locally, sustainable and peacefully.

And if you want to, you can support a specific idea, and when there are enough supporters, you can start to live in this society.

imo, humanities last mistake has been the limitation of possibilities.

There can only be good, or evil.

Strong or weak.

It's the only way.

Left or right?

This is not how evolution works.

Nature is always trying to create as many alternatives as possible.

We need diversity.

We have to create as many different possibilities as we can.

Time is gonna destroy a majority of them.

That's called evolution.

That's just the most efficient way to prepare for the unpreparable.

Where we go one, our futurest children will live.

Q - positron

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64a7f5 No.7527 [Open thread]>>7561 >>7562 >>7576 [Watch Thread][Show All Posts]

>One of the best Atheist Philosophers

>Recognizes Man's need for Self-esteem

>Holds reality to be an absolute.

>No mystified metaphysics and epistemology.

There seems to be something far deeper to Rand than her political philosophy. It's a shame that people don't know about it more.

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f43d68 No.7561>>7575

>>7527 (OP)

>Holds reality to be an absolute.

This is pure delusion as we only have limited perspective on reality

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f43d68 No.7562

>>7527 (OP)

also read kant

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64a7f5 No.7575

>>7561

She doesn't deny this. What unique about her is she states that one part of the reality cannot contradict the another. As if reality could contradict itself. A limited view is just as valid and can be build upon.

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01042b No.7576>>7578

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>>7527 (OP)

Ayn Rand was a Closed Individualist though, which is on shaky philosophical grounds.

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64a7f5 No.7578

>>7576

>Closed Individualism

This is philosophical mistake which materialist make as well. It's the failure of recognizing the difference between animate and inanimate thing in reality. The animate being living being, things capable of self-motion, from energy used that is stored with in their body which came from food. Closed Individuality is found. There's even a whole science dedicated to the study of life, biology.

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f5ee0c No.6768 [Open thread]>>6772 >>6776 [Watch Thread][Show All Posts]

https://youtu.be/h7BnyceWE5w

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e28DrQzlteI

I think he makes more sense than any of the Alt-Right lunatics that call themselves skeptics.

Skeptics community in 2008: Religion is bad

Skeptics community in 2018: On second thought religion is alright.

I like seeing him destroy Sargon of Akkad and Armored Skeptic.

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1b583e No.6772

>>6768 (OP)

This is not philosophy

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ce2715 No.6776>>6859

>>6768 (OP)

Wait so is this the Amazing Banana's new persona?

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749bf8 No.6859>>7515

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>>6776

The Amazing Atheist hasn't changed though he has stopped ranting about feminists as often because he recognizes the Trump cult/alt-right racists is a more serious threat to enlightenment rationality and democracy.

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5681e7 No.7515

>>6859

Pfffft. Don't make me laugh. There is no democracy but instead Edward Bernays style crowd control imposed on the inner desires of the people. The rich impose their will onto the people and they vote accordingly.

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73e4c2 No.7577

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4a3050 No.7566 [Open thread][Watch Thread][Show All Posts]

hi

need your help in giving arguments to support the idea that our human consciousness is somehow different from a toilet flush system. The discussion started on

https://alethe.me/alice_attarado/what%20is%20your%20consciousness%3F/0/1/ some time ago but somehow died out apparantly because it's quite evident that there is no qualitative difference.

If you know any please let me know on this threa or on alethe.

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1ecc83 No.7570>>7572

no, the question is really if they are qualitatively different. Both are made of interconnected particles, both react to incoming disturbances. So I don't see any difference. Do you?

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1ecc83 No.7571

did I just reply to my own post? How can I add further reply to a reply? It doesn't look like the most comfortable discussion engine...

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d5c13a No.7572

>>7570

You'll have to elaborate further, what does two things being made of the same material have to do for them being qualitatively different or not? Further, you'd have to justify the "both react to incoming disturbances", what exactly do you mean?

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1ecc83 No.7573>>7574

ok I see the question became rather meaningless. So again I have to bring a bit of context. Originally I wondered about consciousness which is usually thought to be confined in a humans' heads. And since everything is to comprehended by comparison I decided to compare it with a toilet flush and didn't find any qualitative differeneces. By qualitative I mean something that would be completely absent in one of the considered object.

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d5c13a No.7574

>>7573

If I might suggest so, we ought to follow the learned exampe of the Stranger from Elea and divide as we can along the real classes until we reach what we are interested in. Otherwise we should fall into the same trap, and place our statesman alongside the pig farmer. And that won't do, not at all for us.

So let's try to start from the top, at the highest level you can imagine, and we will divide each time until we reach our answer. You can choose if you'd like to approach first an attempt at consciousness, or if you'd like to locate the brain and toiler flusher in their appropriate places.

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42214d No.7563 [Open thread][Watch Thread][Show All Posts]

One must have heritage within the land that they live upon them in order to sensitively register its aesthetic properties.

In order to purge the depths of one's ethereal aesthetic inventory they must be receptive to the nature of their land. It is a matter of non-biological epigenetic evolution.

No nigger could fathom the holistic conceptual and physical beauty of the North-western European continent and thus could not acquire the sacred knowledge of the land's logic. Tolerance is for one to be able to communicate with another individual on ostensive matters, this is what a racially-mixed communion is. Yet, for one to truly, sensually communicate to progress knowledge and form a chain of ideas they must be connected to the land they are poised within. It is the momentum of productive communion.

It is not a matter of colour, it is a matter of heritage, yet I will not argue that there is a reverent utility in differentiation as the polarised colour of a nigger in relation to a European Man can guide one to garner conclusions in a similar function to how one may conclude that a piece of fruit is rotten from its colour. Love your home and raise your lands.

FUCK NATIONAL GOVERNMENT, AND LET RISE SEGREGATED, ANARCHISTICALLY-FOUNDED ARISTOCRACIES.

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f3adf6 No.7564>>7565

Can you back any of that up or is it cool to just spout off whatever we want without worry?

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67dfd6 No.7565

>>7564

Typical fallacious presumption of blind physicalised realism when regarding logic. Read up on G.E. Moore's concept of intuitionism before you moronically criticise logical ideas within the field of abstract aesthetic phenomenology on the basis of empirical inevidence. You can see the implicit contradiction there, and that you are entirely misunderstood you fucking kike.

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ac4d60 No.7474 [Open thread][Watch Thread][Show All Posts]

How the hell are all of these the same person?

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84f72d No.7476

Eh. For one to avoid the madness of krauts one must disguise.

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787f2c No.7488

The last one isn't. I don't remember where I saw it, but I too was bugged by the Kant portrait autism. And so was whoever set up that site tracking the portraits.

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787f2c No.7489

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2ea654 No.7507

the 4head lol

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32fd7a No.7554

It's the eighteenth century.

What are you expecting, a photograph?

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3e49db No.7551 [Open thread]>>7553 [Watch Thread][Show All Posts]

If people have a problem with conditionals with false antecedents and with true consequents always being true, why not just change it according to what is found to be more intuitive? Regarding equivalence with some disjunctions, every explanation I hear seems to make sense prima facie, but I think ultimately they make sense merely because it makes the whole system simple and easy to work with. For instance, (p->q)->(~pVq) is not as intuitively necessarily true as maybe (pVq)->(~p->q). Simply changing how implications behave reflects that some of these disjunctions, while equivalent with the material implication, would indeed cease to be equivalent. So again, why do we stick with the material implication? Is it because in it, they're equivalent to disjunctions and are therefore translatable by something like DeMorgan's Laws and provide for tidy simplifications?

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76acb3 No.7552>>7553

Because of application.

That which isn't a part of reality can not operate with in it, nor should it serve a representative of it. Anything that doesn't apply to reality is pure fantasy, nor mater how "intuitive" it is.

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50f567 No.7553

>>7552

What are you talking about anon?

>>7551 (OP)

I don't know, but I don't think these disjunctions are very useful anyways anymore. Perhaps you would be better served by dropping the system entirely?

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cbda3d No.7522 [Open thread][Watch Thread][Show All Posts]

If the question "Why is there something rather than nothing?" and the answer "There is no reason," does this answer fulfill the fullest potential of what an answer is, or does it lack any discernible thing to be such an answer other than perhaps not being satisfying to some? Why or why not?

I'm not interested in brainlet critiques of the positing of the question itself, rather critiques of this answer or other possible answers

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0aedf2 No.7546>>7547

>>7545

>2417 years since the death of Socrates

>still living the unexamined life

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143b5e No.7547>>7548

>>7546

Here I was sitting, unsatisfied with my non-affirmative negation, thinking "Who am I to object to that great thinker pythagorusiminides?" or whatever the fuck that faggot's name was, and then it hit me: Pfuckimitis presupposed the question "why," asked right now, implies the question or its implications would have to exist before something. We can ask any number of questions about the beginning of something and they wouldn't therefore magically exist before something by their mere utterance. "Why is there something rather than nothing?" therefore remains a perfectly valid -- and unanswered -- question.

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0aedf2 No.7548

>>7547

I am sorry for you anon. Perhaps one day you will come to be a philosopher.

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8eb091 No.7549>>7550

>>7545

>"why is there something physical, rather than nothing

You do realize you're still same question. You just transitioned the question to a specific characteristic of existence. It's no different that asking "why is there something blue, rather than nothing?". My answer would still be the same. In total, you're asking "why does existence exist?"

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8eb091 No.7550

>>7549

You're still asking the*

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0a6273 No.7526 [Open thread][Watch Thread][Show All Posts]

AKA philosophical dumping ground and inquiries.

Starting off: Can someone repost the three images in the second post of the sticky?

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8cf685 No.7331 [Open thread][Watch Thread][Show All Posts]

Why Is every goddamn female philosopher a fucking feminist?

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f93630 No.7490>>7497

>>7459

>I was on a /leftypol/

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8cf685 No.7497

>>7490

I never stated I enjoyed any minute of it but I have strong anticapitalist viewpoints. Everything else they disagreed with me on

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4a7a0e No.7516>>7517

Ayn Rand. As retarded as Objectivism is, it's at least one of the few positive contributions to philosophy in the 20th century. To her credit, she wasn't one of those female "philosophers" that only discussed political philosophy, particularly feminism. But yeah, women typically can't transcend gender and talk about anything out the terms of 'muh vagina'. The same also goes for black philosophers, and any minority that talks about race or sexuality too.

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db54e3 No.7517>>7521

>>7516

I've only ever seen objectivism shit on, can you explain a bit more why you consider it a positive contribution to philosophy?

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4a7a0e No.7521

>>7517

I was using the term positive in the sense that Rand creates an ethical system from the ground up, which is different from saying that it is a "good" contribution.

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d8186d No.7493 [Open thread]>>7514 [Watch Thread][Show All Posts]

You may say this is better for /pol/, but I figure the subject is deep enough for presence on /philosophy/.

Exactly as the subject line says. There's a small cottage industry of discussion as to his religious views....but I've never been satisfied with the results.

He clearly had a strong enough metaphysical fervor that he can't be described as a simple atheist. At the same time, whatever some may say about his upbringing in a Catholic household, he clearly wasn't a Christian. Take any quotation you can from him which mentions "God", and you can easily substitute it with "Fate", "Providence", "Destiny", etc. For those who contend he was a Catholic zealot, he had astonishingly little to say about Christ ameliorating Original Sin or Mary being the Queen of Heaven.

Shit, for those who present the argument of the "Gott Mit Uns" motto on SS belts, I have (will post pic if you want) a "Second Reich" coin from 1907 with that same motto inscribed on the side. So the phrase clearly predates the NSDAP period and had currency by inertia.

One can also come across sources which attest that Hitler frowned upon Himmler's attempt at neo-paganism. Thus, deism is the only conclusion we are left with by process of elimination, and it's quite a reasonable one.

When we think of "deist", we probably think of Thomas Jefferson, Ben Franklin, or other Enlightenment era figures. The M.O. of those thinkers was to observe the capacity of nature to carry out self-sustaining systems, as well as the capacity of people to carve out lives for themselves by innate talents of reasoning, so as to construe that a supreme creative force or governor intended for a universal order which could basically be described as classical liberalism.

Hitler similarly appealed to biology & history to demonstrate that there was an innate hierarchy of human races, with each one having a destiny as temporally erected by the time of its present circumstance.

The deist view is that there is a primary creative & intelligent input behind the Universe, but thaPost too long. Click here to view the full text.

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f496bb No.7495

I find Perennialism superior to Deism..they at least know they are all connected anyways. Except talmudic judaism. They worship satan. I admire the Voluntaryist attitude of Deism but it never makes any sort of connections Perennialists do. If everyone follows a universal order and uses that, like say in Pascals Wager that they reason and live as if God existed, but that's a very agnostic system that has too much basis in gross materialism. The entire scientific method is why we have child trannies existing

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388f8b No.7514

>>7493 (OP)

Pantheist if you ask me...

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406cf0 No.6748 [Open thread]>>7237 [Watch Thread][Show All Posts]

Why are the political boards here so shit? I get banned from /pol/ for anything I say, and the same applies to /leftypol/ too now.

In fact I get banned at pretty much every board here for just about anything. 8chan was supposed to be for free speech, but somehow it went to shit and is more restrictive than 4chan now. You can't even post about anime you like at /a/, or debate religion or literature on the relevant boards without hotpockets deleting your topic. This is the last board that could be good for arguing about ideas, if it weren't so dead. 8chan has become a major disappointment.

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6ffa65 No.7182

>>7093

Libertarianism is just a extension of Jewish overreach, theft, is a natural Jewish impulse, whether it be rent money, usury, taxes or land that is not their own, the ideas of other countries (Machiavellianism being a prime example), and the ideas of Socialism (was presented in the middle ages before Marx, using guilds)

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>>6748 (OP)

Take the weeb-pill.

>Back in the day (circa 2012), the joke was that people pretend to be alphas on their keyboards, bragging of exploits that never happened, often followed by "Please buy my book and subscribe to my channel." I guess, back then people were in cope-mode, unaware of their real (abysmally low) value on the sexual market. Back in 2012-2013, people hoped that with just more reading PUA blogs and so on, they would get the girl. Well, now in 2019, they realize that it was a pipe-dream; it was over all along.

>So now, instead of bragging about all the sex you get on a regular basis with 10/10s, you brag about all the sex you can't get even with fugly post-wall landwhales. Seems that people always need to signal that they aren't low status, and since we all became realistic about our lack of sex life, we now accord each other pity-points (really, status-points) for how celibate we are.

>Someone needs to send a memo to the Feminists (Tumblrinas, Twitterinas, and Buzzfeederati) that we no longer pretend to be Chads, but rather, we now emphasize our sexual frustration for purely Machiavellian reasons.

https://weebs.is/threads/its-kinda-ironic.2679/

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a4acca No.7504

lul

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5a5732 No.7511

>>7237

What is this garbage. You shouldn't be ruled by your libido and you shouldn't be physically unfit; just those two things (libido controlled, physically fit) makes it possible to get laid. The point is that you shouldn't construct yourself just to be attractive, unless a lot of what is attractive is just objectively good/better than the alternative (looking healthy because you're healthy, looking fit/athletic because you are, looking confident/assertive because you are, et cetera). A lot of what is attractive to women is just masculine and better than the alternative, despite the work required -- and we're men, so masculine things naturally interest us (unless you're damaged or have a complex surrounding it, such as trying to emotionally shut yourself off instead of just developing masculine emotions > motives?).

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5a5732 No.7512

/pol/ may not be coming back so you may get your wish.

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Sony Center in Toronto, on Friday, April 19.

Das it mane!

https://invidio.us/watch?v=Ij1J50nx9jY

No fireworks. Nevertheless, well worth a look.

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0cdf4a No.7240

A most satisfying engagement.

Initial impressions. Both Peterson and Žižek are accomplished in their mutual field, and their differing specialties. Žižek is, however, legendary, and for good reason. Naturally, this was viewed as a bit of a David versus Goliath match up.

Peterson was on the hunt for some blood sport with the topics of Marxism and postmodernism, but was taken off guard by his opponent's stance. Žižek is indeed an oddball Marxist to debate. Kudos to Žižek for employing his status to keep the audience in check, emphasizing to them the worthy seriousness of the subject matter over any potential to fall into a circus act. Both sides kept the discussion fairly down to Earth without going into full geek out mode. Both approached this professionally, in a lively manner, and acquitted themselves admirably. The moderator's summation was succinct: it should have gone on for another three hours. We need another match up!

This wasn't really an alt-right versus alt-left rumble. If you come at it expecting a meme war you will be disappointed. Otherwise, I think you will find their debate to be educational, exciting, and (philosophically speaking) thoroughly entertaining.

I may have more comments to come. I want a re-watch with proper note taking this time around, and dig up a written transcript if possible. I think we need a "Peterson resources" link to the board guide as well. I'm (BO here) open to suggestions.

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947570 No.7250>>7251

I think Peterson was too caught off guard for this to have been fruitful. It was interesting, but they were too constrained by time. It felt like it was over before they could even dig into anything deep. They should arrange a place where they can talk for an entire day, 6+ hours or so, with breaks in between. Otherwise it's just not going to go anywhere since both like to get side-tracked.

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947570 No.7251

>>7250

I should say I'd like to see lengthier debates/talks in general, not just from those two. ~3 hours is just too short.

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0cdf4a No.7304

derp?

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0cdf4a No.7505

Most recent philosophically interesting event bump.

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