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344ced No.7242 [Open thread]

San Fransisco Failed, Germany Failed, Iceland Failed, there have been countless attempts to ban infant male circumcision that have failed despite having a majority support in the area? Areas where religious minorities are at an all time low, circumcision rates are essentially non-existent. Yet non-medically justified, routine genital mutilation (religious or not) continues to occur despite the gender counter part being forbidden by law.

What message does it send where males are violated at birth, while females have their bodies protected by law? Iceland hospitals refused to conduct infant circumcision and had signed agreements among the hospitals across the country to refuse such services as medically unjustified. As a result a vote to illegalize the practice was initiated which resulted in international uproar.

It's an extremely simple topic that people have an illogical habit of complicating. The right to inflict bodily injury on another persons body without their consent. Religiously motivated or not. I cant religiously mutilate animals. It's considered animal abuse.

The main contention I have, is to put the practice into perspective to see the true tragedy and the reason why it's not complicated to see why it should be illegal. To turn the infant, into a grown adult, and keep the situation identical.

You are 25 years old. Your parents have decided to take you against your will to the doctors, where people over power you, forcefully strap you onto an operating table, strap your legs and arms down so you can't move, and without anesthesia, take a knife to your genitals, cutting the most private part of your body as you scream in pain. This is something you'd expect in a scene from the Saw movie franchise. Not something we would callously turn a blind eye happening to infants.

So what are you thoughts on why so many countries have failed their own children to protect them from genital mutilation.

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e8ea4b No.7326

>>7295

They only speak when spoken to

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e8ea4b No.7327

>>7324

Since when have women had sympathy for anyone but themselves. Schopenhauer called them children and rightfully so

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e8ea4b No.7337

>>7295

Also zioprot women are fucking idiots too.

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4558b9 No.7343

>>7263

With my brain. I want to enjoy sexual pleasure as much as possible because it's enjoyable, that is very simple. You seem to think that's somehow a bad thing which it isn't, and is in no way for you to thrust on anyone else against their will.

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52d715 No.7588

>>7324

>uncut men don't really have significant sympathy for people complaining about their lost foreskin

I have what might be termed survivor's guilt on this issue. Maybe not true survivor's guilt in the PTSD sense, but anytime this topic gets brought up or I think of it randomly, my blood boils to think of all my friends and family, and compatriots who I will never meet, who had this done to them. You're right that most people don't think it's a big enough issue to warrant such strong emotion, but given what I know (namely how conniving the medical establishment can be, and how religion pseudojustifications factor into it), I certainly feel warranted in my strong emotions.

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a2de08 No.7581 [Open thread]

Why do we lie? It’s the source to every other evil on our planet.

Naturally, we wouldn’t lie. When we have everything we need, when we get everything we want, we don’t have to lie. We wouldn’t have to betray.

Is the pressure on every single one of us way to large? Can’t we handle our existence, whitout lying? Are we just coping the behavior of our fellow humans? Are we hidden in a negative spyrale, because the best liers have the best chances for might and power?

Isn’t this spreading just like cancer? Is our planet like the first cancer cell in a human body? When’s the moment you differ? Now, it’s a healthy cell, fighting the cancer whitin. Now it’s a comlete cancer cell, ready to infiltrate other cells, ready to spread.

We are currently planning to invade our neighbor cell, Mars.

On the other side. How easy would it be, to heal this cancer. When we just delete the negative factor.

We can just start to erfüllen the needs of the next smaler cells. For the human body, that would be some proteins i think, for our world it is a little more complicated.

The next smaller would be the continents, the nations, the regions, the cities and villages, the families and then the humans, you and me.

That’s just the natural order, a pattern i find everywhere.

If a cell is sick, satisfy it’s needs.

If our planet is sick, satisfy every humans needs.

To eleminate all the corruption, all the wars, all the deaths, all the thefts, wheter it’s nations stealing from other nations, or people stealing from other people, or people stealing from everyone.

All we have to do, is fulfill our needs and be happy.

But everyone has to know and do this.

Everyone has to see the vision.

Anyone has to know, where he wants to go.

Some of us have to lead the way.

Where We Go One We Go All. Let's start pointing at directions.

Q - positron

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31ae46 No.7586

Naturally one can't assume the nature of truth.

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a53cc8 No.7587

>>7581

Might want to look into this: https://serendipstudio.org/exchange/molly-tamulevich/oh-cruel-world-evolution-cruelty-human-beings

"In Our Inner Ape, De Waal provides example after example of empathy and cruelty among chimps and bonobos. Empathy, the ability to understand and perceive the emotions of others is another trait that assumes theory of mind, and he argues that a wide range of animals from dogs and cats to chimpanzees and bonobos possess this trait. Waal describes a female bonobo's empathetic attempts to assist a stunned bird to fly again. She spread its wings with her fingers and tossed the bird into the air. When the bird fell to the ground, she sat with it until it recovered and could fly on its own. This compassion for a different species is not as remarkable as the fact that the bonobo tailored her efforts to fit what she had observed of birds, that they fly and that they spread their wings to do so. The bonobo demonstrates a high level of intelligence in realizing the plight of the "other," especially because it is unlike her.

Because bonobos possess empathy; they are aware of an animal's pain, which establishes that they are also aware of cruelty. Chimps posses this theory of mind as well. De Waal describes a game that a group of captive chimpanzees played in which they lured chickens to them with bread and then poked them with sharp wire for fun. The chimpanzees utilized thier physical and intellectual power over the weaker, less intelligent chickens to inflict pain upon them. The chicken's pain amused the chimps, illustrating the chimps' capacity for cruelty. Chimps also attack others in pairs, one holding the victim down and the other beating the helpless captive. In making their victim immobile in order to inflict more pain upon them, chimps exhibit a premeditated agenda to do harm. The infliction of pain releases endorphins in the chimps, rewarding them for their cruelty. In these ways, both chimps and bonobos exhibit traits that suggest a theory of mind, and because chimps, bonobos and humans are closely liPost too long. Click here to view the full text.

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bc8360 No.7604

>>7581

Because men's rights = LOL

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cca320 No.7585 [Open thread]

That's what humanity's best at.

There were so many informations, produced by human minds, from the moment we invented the word 'idea' til now.

Every generation learnt their forefathers facts, connected them, found similarities and compressed the information into the next larger piece of the puzzle called nature.

Our generation is gonna create an explosion of knowledge. We got the internet.

Try it for yourself.

Jordan Peterson:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W8e_dvbXoCQ

1000 books of our intellectuel ancestors, compressed to 5h from one of the smartest guys around.

Your turn's next. Try to compress this information into a 1 minute video.

Where We Go One We Wonnna Know

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09b114 No.7584 [Open thread]

What's a lifespan?

It's a mosquitos fart compared to the evolution of our lifestyle.

Let's produce a show. About a Familly.

Scenario:

The builder of the pyramides extinct after a flood, caused by the end of the iceage

Some 'pharaos' survived in foreign countries, building monuments all over the world.

I want a show about their descendants, from then till now. After each episode, the next generation gets into the lead position.

A show through history, from the perspective of one single family.

How would this change the perspective of our own lifetime? How much could we learn, when we continue, start to write the story of our own future?

When we get in complete control of this monster called time.

Positive suggestion.

If you want to gain perspective, set it into relation.

Another story idea.

A man makes a plan to fly to the stars.

For him and his next 28 Generations.

He got the idea. Generation 3 & 4 make the money.

G 5 - 10 engineer the rockets, create the science.

Generation 12 lifts off, 248 People leave our planet.

The next 13 Generation live their lives in space, on an eternal travel.

At Generation 25 another human spaceship passes by, more advanced and much faster.

They knew about our guys and they have presents, new and better technology from far back home.

Generation 26 arrives at the new planet, faster than expected.

Generation 27 & 28 Set their Foundation for their new civilisation.

This film is the work of the head of the first generation, to visualize his vision. To inform & motivate every single descendant from him to work for this shared vision.

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83bea6 No.7583 [Open thread]

https://youtu.be/fabjooTef3I

What happens, when we educate a group of people to organize themself the old ways. All woman organazing together, the man fix problem and find solutions.

We could start experimantal companies, run that way.

Where We Go One We Go In Love.

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b0abfd No.7582 [Open thread]

The world has been divides, social progress has bin prohibited for the last 200 Years.

Now the times are changing.

So, what's next?

Liberalism, Capitalism, Nationalism, Communism, Democracy..

All this Ideas are so old. I want something new. Humanity learned so much over the last century. I'd like to use this knowledge. We invented so many devices, some of them are smarter than we are.

Let us use that shit.

So, what's next?

Let us gather ideas.

All of us. Let us compare and combine our ideas. Let us try them. Let us create a list of thousands of ways for humans to live together, locally, sustainable and peacefully.

And if you want to, you can support a specific idea, and when there are enough supporters, you can start to live in this society.

imo, humanities last mistake has been the limitation of possibilities.

There can only be good, or evil.

Strong or weak.

It's the only way.

Left or right?

This is not how evolution works.

Nature is always trying to create as many alternatives as possible.

We need diversity.

We have to create as many different possibilities as we can.

Time is gonna destroy a majority of them.

That's called evolution.

That's just the most efficient way to prepare for the unpreparable.

Where we go one, our futurest children will live.

Q - positron

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64a7f5 No.7527 [Open thread]

>One of the best Atheist Philosophers

>Recognizes Man's need for Self-esteem

>Holds reality to be an absolute.

>No mystified metaphysics and epistemology.

There seems to be something far deeper to Rand than her political philosophy. It's a shame that people don't know about it more.

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f43d68 No.7561

>>7527

>Holds reality to be an absolute.

This is pure delusion as we only have limited perspective on reality

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f43d68 No.7562

>>7527

also read kant

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64a7f5 No.7575

>>7561

She doesn't deny this. What unique about her is she states that one part of the reality cannot contradict the another. As if reality could contradict itself. A limited view is just as valid and can be build upon.

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01042b No.7576

YouTube embed. Click thumbnail to play.

>>7527

Ayn Rand was a Closed Individualist though, which is on shaky philosophical grounds.

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64a7f5 No.7578

>>7576

>Closed Individualism

This is philosophical mistake which materialist make as well. It's the failure of recognizing the difference between animate and inanimate thing in reality. The animate being living being, things capable of self-motion, from energy used that is stored with in their body which came from food. Closed Individuality is found. There's even a whole science dedicated to the study of life, biology.

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f5ee0c No.6768 [Open thread]

https://youtu.be/h7BnyceWE5w

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e28DrQzlteI

I think he makes more sense than any of the Alt-Right lunatics that call themselves skeptics.

Skeptics community in 2008: Religion is bad

Skeptics community in 2018: On second thought religion is alright.

I like seeing him destroy Sargon of Akkad and Armored Skeptic.

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1b583e No.6772

>>6768

This is not philosophy

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ce2715 No.6776

>>6768

Wait so is this the Amazing Banana's new persona?

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749bf8 No.6859

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>>6776

The Amazing Atheist hasn't changed though he has stopped ranting about feminists as often because he recognizes the Trump cult/alt-right racists is a more serious threat to enlightenment rationality and democracy.

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5681e7 No.7515

>>6859

Pfffft. Don't make me laugh. There is no democracy but instead Edward Bernays style crowd control imposed on the inner desires of the people. The rich impose their will onto the people and they vote accordingly.

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73e4c2 No.7577

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4a3050 No.7566 [Open thread]

hi

need your help in giving arguments to support the idea that our human consciousness is somehow different from a toilet flush system. The discussion started on

https://alethe.me/alice_attarado/what%20is%20your%20consciousness%3F/0/1/ some time ago but somehow died out apparantly because it's quite evident that there is no qualitative difference.

If you know any please let me know on this threa or on alethe.

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1ecc83 No.7570

no, the question is really if they are qualitatively different. Both are made of interconnected particles, both react to incoming disturbances. So I don't see any difference. Do you?

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1ecc83 No.7571

did I just reply to my own post? How can I add further reply to a reply? It doesn't look like the most comfortable discussion engine...

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d5c13a No.7572

>>7570

You'll have to elaborate further, what does two things being made of the same material have to do for them being qualitatively different or not? Further, you'd have to justify the "both react to incoming disturbances", what exactly do you mean?

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1ecc83 No.7573

ok I see the question became rather meaningless. So again I have to bring a bit of context. Originally I wondered about consciousness which is usually thought to be confined in a humans' heads. And since everything is to comprehended by comparison I decided to compare it with a toilet flush and didn't find any qualitative differeneces. By qualitative I mean something that would be completely absent in one of the considered object.

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d5c13a No.7574

>>7573

If I might suggest so, we ought to follow the learned exampe of the Stranger from Elea and divide as we can along the real classes until we reach what we are interested in. Otherwise we should fall into the same trap, and place our statesman alongside the pig farmer. And that won't do, not at all for us.

So let's try to start from the top, at the highest level you can imagine, and we will divide each time until we reach our answer. You can choose if you'd like to approach first an attempt at consciousness, or if you'd like to locate the brain and toiler flusher in their appropriate places.

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42214d No.7563 [Open thread]

One must have heritage within the land that they live upon them in order to sensitively register its aesthetic properties.

In order to purge the depths of one's ethereal aesthetic inventory they must be receptive to the nature of their land. It is a matter of non-biological epigenetic evolution.

No nigger could fathom the holistic conceptual and physical beauty of the North-western European continent and thus could not acquire the sacred knowledge of the land's logic. Tolerance is for one to be able to communicate with another individual on ostensive matters, this is what a racially-mixed communion is. Yet, for one to truly, sensually communicate to progress knowledge and form a chain of ideas they must be connected to the land they are poised within. It is the momentum of productive communion.

It is not a matter of colour, it is a matter of heritage, yet I will not argue that there is a reverent utility in differentiation as the polarised colour of a nigger in relation to a European Man can guide one to garner conclusions in a similar function to how one may conclude that a piece of fruit is rotten from its colour. Love your home and raise your lands.

FUCK NATIONAL GOVERNMENT, AND LET RISE SEGREGATED, ANARCHISTICALLY-FOUNDED ARISTOCRACIES.

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f3adf6 No.7564

Can you back any of that up or is it cool to just spout off whatever we want without worry?

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67dfd6 No.7565

>>7564

Typical fallacious presumption of blind physicalised realism when regarding logic. Read up on G.E. Moore's concept of intuitionism before you moronically criticise logical ideas within the field of abstract aesthetic phenomenology on the basis of empirical inevidence. You can see the implicit contradiction there, and that you are entirely misunderstood you fucking kike.

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ac4d60 No.7474 [Open thread]

How the hell are all of these the same person?

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84f72d No.7476

Eh. For one to avoid the madness of krauts one must disguise.

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787f2c No.7488

The last one isn't. I don't remember where I saw it, but I too was bugged by the Kant portrait autism. And so was whoever set up that site tracking the portraits.

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787f2c No.7489

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2ea654 No.7507

the 4head lol

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32fd7a No.7554

It's the eighteenth century.

What are you expecting, a photograph?

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3e49db No.7551 [Open thread]

If people have a problem with conditionals with false antecedents and with true consequents always being true, why not just change it according to what is found to be more intuitive? Regarding equivalence with some disjunctions, every explanation I hear seems to make sense prima facie, but I think ultimately they make sense merely because it makes the whole system simple and easy to work with. For instance, (p->q)->(~pVq) is not as intuitively necessarily true as maybe (pVq)->(~p->q). Simply changing how implications behave reflects that some of these disjunctions, while equivalent with the material implication, would indeed cease to be equivalent. So again, why do we stick with the material implication? Is it because in it, they're equivalent to disjunctions and are therefore translatable by something like DeMorgan's Laws and provide for tidy simplifications?

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76acb3 No.7552

Because of application.

That which isn't a part of reality can not operate with in it, nor should it serve a representative of it. Anything that doesn't apply to reality is pure fantasy, nor mater how "intuitive" it is.

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50f567 No.7553

>>7552

What are you talking about anon?

>>7551

I don't know, but I don't think these disjunctions are very useful anyways anymore. Perhaps you would be better served by dropping the system entirely?

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cbda3d No.7522 [Open thread]

If the question "Why is there something rather than nothing?" and the answer "There is no reason," does this answer fulfill the fullest potential of what an answer is, or does it lack any discernible thing to be such an answer other than perhaps not being satisfying to some? Why or why not?

I'm not interested in brainlet critiques of the positing of the question itself, rather critiques of this answer or other possible answers

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0aedf2 No.7546

>>7545

>2417 years since the death of Socrates

>still living the unexamined life

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143b5e No.7547

>>7546

Here I was sitting, unsatisfied with my non-affirmative negation, thinking "Who am I to object to that great thinker pythagorusiminides?" or whatever the fuck that faggot's name was, and then it hit me: Pfuckimitis presupposed the question "why," asked right now, implies the question or its implications would have to exist before something. We can ask any number of questions about the beginning of something and they wouldn't therefore magically exist before something by their mere utterance. "Why is there something rather than nothing?" therefore remains a perfectly valid -- and unanswered -- question.

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0aedf2 No.7548

>>7547

I am sorry for you anon. Perhaps one day you will come to be a philosopher.

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8eb091 No.7549

>>7545

>"why is there something physical, rather than nothing

You do realize you're still same question. You just transitioned the question to a specific characteristic of existence. It's no different that asking "why is there something blue, rather than nothing?". My answer would still be the same. In total, you're asking "why does existence exist?"

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8eb091 No.7550

>>7549

You're still asking the*

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0a6273 No.7526 [Open thread]

AKA philosophical dumping ground and inquiries.

Starting off: Can someone repost the three images in the second post of the sticky?

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8cf685 No.7331 [Open thread]

Why Is every goddamn female philosopher a fucking feminist?

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f93630 No.7490

>>7459

>I was on a /leftypol/

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8cf685 No.7497

>>7490

I never stated I enjoyed any minute of it but I have strong anticapitalist viewpoints. Everything else they disagreed with me on

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4a7a0e No.7516

Ayn Rand. As retarded as Objectivism is, it's at least one of the few positive contributions to philosophy in the 20th century. To her credit, she wasn't one of those female "philosophers" that only discussed political philosophy, particularly feminism. But yeah, women typically can't transcend gender and talk about anything out the terms of 'muh vagina'. The same also goes for black philosophers, and any minority that talks about race or sexuality too.

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db54e3 No.7517

>>7516

I've only ever seen objectivism shit on, can you explain a bit more why you consider it a positive contribution to philosophy?

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4a7a0e No.7521

>>7517

I was using the term positive in the sense that Rand creates an ethical system from the ground up, which is different from saying that it is a "good" contribution.

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