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068902 No.6873 [Open thread]

https://youtu.be/_-tlZY9NEMk

I watch the satire of his gibberish, and cant see any difference between when he praises Jesus, Christian archetypes, and western culture. He's the worst pseudo-philosopher of this century.

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d946e0 No.7090

>>7054

What about Christian Solipsism?

"You mean the Christ that exists in my mind because what I think is the only real possibility"

Hegel wins again

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9ef14c No.7095

>>7090

Atheism is an exclusively christian phenomena. It never arised out of any other religion, and we have a mistake to thank for that back in the 1400s, when nominalism was allowed to win over realism.

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343294 No.7128

>>6950

What Peterson was saying in that first link is similar to that people often say one thing but do another. Which, I hope, is obvious to you. But what he was saying was a bit deeper. That often times people think they believe one thing but their actions show that they do not.

What this man has done is spend a lifetime probing into the unconscious mind looking for answers. He acknowledges that he is also as faulty as everyone else and so instead of proclaiming that he believes what he believes like all you other fools who don't understand that you have a subconscious, he instead analysis his actions to see what it is he really believes. This is why he always says that he acts as though God exists instead of saying that he believes that God exists.

You are just not smart enough to understand him.

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99a4f1 No.7141

>>7128

He has spent a lifetime being religious. You're not smart enough to realize he's deluded like all religitards, and also attacks progressive causes for the sweet Prager University money.

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4cc5a2 No.7152

>>7128

>You are just not smart enough to understand him.

You are just too invested in him to see how full of shit he is,

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c0a1b5 No.7137 [Open thread]

Can it be defended?

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b75b0d No.7106 [Open thread]

How do you think , what is answer for this question ?

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d011a0 No.7110

>>7106

God can change the nature of Man.

Nothing else.

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66777f No.7114

The nature of mortality is plasticity and chaos. A man's nature changes innumerable times throughout his life, all in pursuit of an archetypal goal. The human pupa transforming as it matures.

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d6af08 No.7115

>>7106

what is nature?

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01577e No.7117

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432c98 No.7118

>>7117

nonhuman animals have knowledge as well

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11cdad No.4612 [Open thread]

Are there any philosophers who developed their own conception of the nature of the will (like shopenhauer/nietzsche)

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e790d6 No.5343

'Conception' don't real.

You can define things, then go check if they exist in reality.

You can look at reality, and try to define what you see there.

Neither of these things are conception. The first kind of definition is fully arbitrary. The second kind is almost equally arbitrary, despite making every effort to avoid that fate.

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ea808d No.6911

>>4613

this

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55f2cb No.7052

It's pretty cool hearing Bertrand Russel rip apart Nietzsche's philosophy.

https://youtu.be/HGDZcifLpdA

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16dc00 No.7058

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>>7052

Personally I'd like to rip Bertrand Russell's anus open along with Karl Popper. The twin idiots of utilitarian idiocy.

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b9a563 No.7098

jan stachniuk, i think

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de003e No.4736 [Open thread]

What's a will?

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6ce7e4 No.7074

>>4769

I'm Christian myself but never would say the same thing.

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613a3c No.7079

Your will is your heart. It is the spirit of oneself.

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6ce7e4 No.7080

To me will is ambition, a drive

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6ce7e4 No.7081

>>7069

I'm a compatibilist like Aquinas was. Apparently that's an unpopular stance.

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b9b96e No.7094

what most people call "consciounes"

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946651 No.7065 [Open thread]

How would I know if I have something unique to say in philosophy?

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6d1c4b No.7084

>>7083

>>7078

While you're at it you could just read the Bible, and see that it is pretty explicit that the church serves this function.

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851b57 No.7085

>>7084

>>7083

All of it?

Even the esoteric cycle specific and exclusive to secularism? And the heroic arch type modifying alongside the cycle change?

If my idea is not unique, but still self discovered, do I still have hope for developing it?

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6d1c4b No.7087

>>7085

>Even the esoteric cycle specific and exclusive to secularism? And the heroic arch type modifying alongside the cycle change?

I'm pretty sure its been articulated before. Even if it hasn't been you would still have to make a distinction between the institution of the church, and the ideal of the Church. Take your specific institution, and ask yourself "Has my church ever had a legitimate scandal, or failing?" The answer will most certainly be yes, and this is sufficient to begin identifying your cycles within the institution of that church. You could still say that these cycles tend upwards with regard to the church, and downwards with regard to the world. You could then differentiate between the two by way of the Church's archetypal heroic figure, Christ, and how conformity to Him manifests itself differently depending on where you are in the cycle.

>If my idea is not unique, but still self discovered, do I still have hope for developing it?

Sure you can develop it, but as I said, this has all been explored before and you can pick it up in the bargain dvds for like $8.99.

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946651 No.7089

>>7087

I use the Catholic church. Anything outside it would be considered "secular", paganism, judaism, buddhism, atheism, etc etc.

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7e974c No.7092

>>7083

St. Pol Pol will save us from the urban demiurge

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3243d8 No.7029 [Open thread]

>go on literally any philosopher board on earth

>people don't discuss philosophy, they just discuss writings of past philosophers

Might as well rename the board to esoteric historian jackoffs.

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97ce90 No.7033

>>7029

Well then you'll love it here because here we barely discuss philosophy to begin with.

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fd3e60 No.7068

>>7033 (bah-dum-chinged)

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3d8a0c No.7039 [Open thread]

>I basically cracked the code of secular ethics that philosophers have struggled with for thousands of years

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cdce3c No.7041

What's the secret molyjew?

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3d8a0c No.7048

>>7041

Reading my book on UPB and donating :^)

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8c9cdd No.6987 [Open thread]

I don't get it. a lot of people have called me an Ethical Solipsist yet even though (I'd wager) even though it came out of the enlightenment most of my beliefs pre-date the enlightenment, going back to Aristotle and St. Aquinas, so uh, wtf?

bear in mind my economics though are total post French Revolution. but this board isn't an economics board so yea.

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ab67ba No.7009

dude isn't thomism also st aquinas school of thought? thomism's ethics is the growth of many virtues in self perfection, a moral good could berate another human's moral good indifferently, however there is no indication that morality is ontologized in relations like later ethics, especially nietzsche's genealogy (how do we design an open-ended ethics?), or in the case of kant there is the earlier ontology which is about universalism, and then later on deontologized ethics (which purport rules rather than an universalism.)

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8c9cdd No.7017

>>7009

Well I've noticed how does one unite Thomism with Spinozaism? (used to be really against the latter)

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ab67ba No.7022

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145396 No.7026

They're butthurt because you haven't chosen to accept the obligation an altruists. Most altruists get butthurt when others don't accept their obligation because it's a system that requires mass acceptance to function correctly.

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8c9cdd No.7037

>>7026

I've noticed Epicureanism is sort of the root of this

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cc47bf No.6708 [Open thread]

What's the difference between objectively having meaning and having objective meaning?

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cc47bf No.6714

>>6713

It's ok not to understand a question; you don't have to accuse the asker of being arrogant.

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0787ba No.6716

In the objective/subjective dichotomy as a paradigm, you could objectively have meaning for yourself, objectively having a subjective meaning. Objective meaning would be counter to this, something that would be objective and beyond your self, a meaning more than just your own.

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d43726 No.6718

In order to find the difference of two abstracts, you must quantify them with definitions. Otherwise you can’t determine any sort of meaning. In order the provide the definitions, we have to look at the lexical structure of the english phrases.

Having objective meaning (verb, adjective, noun) Objective is describing the meaning in this context, and it is being possessed.

Objectively having meaning (adverb, verb, noun) Objectively is describing the verb having, so the subject is having meaning in an objective way.

So here’s the difference. Is the meaning itself objective? Then it is having objective meaning. Is there an objective way for something to have meaning? Then it is objectively having meaning.

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548204 No.7030

Objective means universal.

We all know what univeral meanings are.

But can you universally have meaning? The fuck does that mean?

Aren't all feelings objective? What the fuck is a subjective feeling.

Regardless of how you look at it, feelings are one or the other. You can't have subjective and objective feelings at the same time.

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d8f2ad No.7035

>>6708

The former is an object to which meaning is attached. The latter is a meaning that has a specific objective or goal.

>/thread

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4195ec No.7018 [Open thread]

More like Socrades nuts. lol

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5cee4d No.7019

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4195ec No.7023

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haha

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4ee7b6 No.7025

Like Diogenes?

How about you Diogenes this dick in your stomach.

What about Stilpo?

Cause this dick's stillpoking your asshole!

I bet your wife loves Bolus.

Cause she's sucking on my Bolus!

What about Sextus? Ya like him?

You'll love the Sextus I'm about to give you.

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c8e376 No.4806 [Open thread]

I was seeing Postmodernist "works" and I started to wonder what the hell was going through the minds of those people. Is this is the Nihilism that Nietzsche warned us about?

I mean, all the conditions are here. We're in a world of increasingly atheistic people that still cling to somewhat Christian morals(When they're not hedonists, that is). Nihilism is relatively popular compared to old times.

Question is, does Postmodernism actually hold any nihilist beliefs in itself? I don't know much other than those hipsters making shit art, so I went through https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Postmodernism for a minute in hopes of finding something.

Can anyone?

Lastly, does anyone have a tingling fear that Nietzsche was wrong on the "trans-valuation of values" and that there will be just more nihilism after we come past this ordeal?

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2035c0 No.6942

>>>4806

>Post-modernity is time we live in currently similar to how 19th to 20th centuries are considered modernity. It is usually signified by late capitalism, globalism, rapid technological advances, convergence culture and so on.

>So saying that you "was seeing postmodernist works" means nothing as everything we do is part of the post-modern age.

>This is the Jordan Peterson school of not understanding what he is talking about.

>Post-modernism isn't a school of thought.

>A lot of the philosophers and professors that have been labeled as "post-modern philosophers" like Baudrillard, Derrida and Foucault hated the moniker because it means nothing.

>"I am a philosopher of the now times". What a pointless phrase.

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aa8b8a No.6946

>>6889

so he was an individualist?

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93895b No.6973

>>6902

You can't just reject a philosophical position because it makes you feel uncomfortable or you think of it as nihillism. You have to show that the conclusions themselves are wrong.

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bf5514 No.6979

>>6090

True though some blame lies in Spinoza and Voltaire

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bf5514 No.6980

Karl Popper made it worse. My end goal is to oppose all those

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dad4cc No.6951 [Open thread]

>The third way is taken from possibility and necessity, and runs thus. We find in nature things that are possible to be and not to be, since they are found to be generated, and to corrupt, and consequently, they are possible to be and not to be. But it is impossible for these always to exist, for that which is possible not to be at some time is not. Therefore, if everything is possible not to be, then at one time there could have been nothing in existence. Now if this were true, even now there would be nothing in existence, because that which does not exist only begins to exist by something already existing. Therefore, if at one time nothing was in existence, it would have beenimpossible for anything to have begun to exist; and thus even now nothing would be in existence---which is absurd. Therefore, not all beings are merely possible, but there must exist something the existence of which is necessary. But every necessary thing either has its necessity caused by another, or not. Now it is impossible to go on to infinity in necessary things which have their necessity caused by another, as has been already proved in regard to efficient causes. Therefore we cannot but postulate the existence of some being having of itself its own necessity, and not receiving it from another, but rather causing in others their necessity. This all men speak of as God.

Is there any refutation to the Saint Thomas Aquinas's third way?

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36541a No.6974

>>6951

I think the most obvious problem is he follows the now widely discredited idea that all things that are eternally the case are necessary, and contingent things cannot be eternally the case. Just because the world is contingent it doesn't follow that the possibility of there being nothing at all has to be realized at some point in time.

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641b97 No.6978

I'm an advocate a no refutation from me

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b3fb83 No.5510 [Open thread]

Here is a form of atheism that you could explain to 4th century BC Greeks. Greeks were geniuses at abstract thinking and great at seeing through bullshit. Discuss.

https://elearning-gilman.remote-learner.net/pluginfile.php/54035/mod_resource/content/0/Ancient_Greece/Ancient_Greece_-_Critias_-_Fragment_on_Religion.pdf

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b3fb83 No.5513

>>5512

Because there is no God keeping everything working in our perfectly designed universe.

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2b2eb3 No.5542

>really implying The Greeks were secular in any sense of the word

simple refutation, they still believed in theocracy hierarchy.

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b3fb83 No.5544

>>5542

Can you read? Critias was allegedly an atheist and he was a greek, so whatever you're trying to say in bad English is false.

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b7761c No.6972

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>>5510

There's a popular new book on the history of atheism in ancient philosophy which might interest you. It's called "Battling the Gods: atheism in the ancient world."

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30bd7d No.7208

>>6972

>Empiricism has a claim over all other philosophy cause I say so

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958c15 No.6971 [Open thread]

Both the history of philosophy and the new logic should be sufficiently taught to philosophy students.

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