8ed506 No.5981
I’m trying to learn about Platonism. I started a list of major Platonic philosophers and their works, but it feels short. Could you guys recommend any other texts to help me with this?
>Plato - complete works
>Plotinus - The Enneads
>Proclus - The Theology of Plato
>Damascius - Difficulties and Solutions of First Principles
That’s about it. There must be more. I’m also looking into Pseudo-Dionysius and John Scotus Eriugena, but I’m more interested in pre-christian platonists
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1dbd7f No.6046
Plato - Complete Works
Aristotle - I'd go with the Complete Works but you have to read at least Metaphysics: it's full of references to the unwritten doctrines. He's also very useful to have an insight on the early Academy (Xenocrates, Speusippus, etc.). Moreover, some modern scholars consider him a Platonic philosopher.
Plutarch - Moralia. Essential readings are delphic dialogues (De Defectu Oraculorum, De E apud Delphos, De Pythiae Oraculis); On Isis and Osiris, On the Delay of Divine Vengeance, The Daemon of Socrates, On the Face of the Moon.
Plotinus - Enneads
Porphyry - Auxiliaries to the Perception on the Intelligibles nature (i.e. Sententiae: this is an essential text), On the Cave of the Nymphs and other things if you can put your hands on them.
Iamblichus - De Mysteriis, Pythagoric Life, and if you really feel like it the Theology of Arithmetic.
Proclus - The Theology of Plato, Commentary the Timaeus
Damascius - Difficulties and Solutions of First Principles
You can surely add something else by both Proclus and Damascius, but I don't know them as well as the others (I have reached the Iamblichus level of the list, more or less).
After that you can go with Augustine and Pletho, and after with with Italian Neoplatonists such as Ficino and (partly and if you are very interested in magic) Giordano Bruno.
At that point you should be ready to reach union with the One.
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1dbd7f No.6048
>>6046
Sorry, forgot another essential Plutarch that really helped me to understand the relation between matter and the Forms: De Animae Procreatione in Timaeo
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30e626 No.6052
Just study mathematics. Everything else is just mental clutter.
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05e5c6 No.6172
>>6046
Proclus' Elements of Theology is an excellent but rather technical summary of the Neoplatonic overal metaphysical system.
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ed4140 No.6188
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c04be9 No.6196
>>6052
What a simple mind, avoiding the bigger problems in life through mathematics. Yeah you can do your taxes with them, but how at the end of the day you will know you spent your day well? Eh?
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ed4140 No.6202
>>6196
That's not very pragmatic of you
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ee1d9a No.6204
>>6196
There are no "bigger problems".
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a12faf No.6286
>>6046
Pretty good list, but I would also add Chaldean Oracles.
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f21c22 No.6681
>>6196
There is another branch of mathematics that holds platonic philosophy in high regard. Look at godel’s philosophical writings. Mathematics is at its core not a computation syntax, but a method of knowing. It’s the best we’ve got, and the dichotomy between math and philosophy is false
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b20105 No.6749
>>6196
Math is a valid pursuit. Even Proclus wrote a commentary on Euclid's Elements, faggot.
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6f6c89 No.6752
>>5981
I would definitely recommend Pseudo-Dionysius. Eriugena is a bit atypical for Neoplatonism though, and his Periphysion is very long so I wouldn't bother.
Proclus also wrote a book called the Elements of Theology that tries to systematize Neoplatonic metaphysics by deriving it all from a basic set of axioms and historically it was influential.
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bb33a5 No.6760
>>6749
Naw, only Hegel is valid.
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9f0dc3 No.6766
Since this thread is semi-relevent, I was gonna ask, is platonism and Aristotelianism simply different ways of arriving at the same truths? Is classical theism essentially the same?
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6f6c89 No.6774
>>6766
Aristotle developed a good number of his ideas as reactions against some of the ideas of Plato and even when he isn't critiquing Plato, he clearly takes different positions than him.
That being said, there is a long tradition among Neoplatonists of reinterpreting Aristotle in a way that makes it easier to harmonize their views. Usually this would be done by saying that Aristotle presents his teachings just as an explanation of the world around us, and that it is Plato who teaches the truths of higher realities.
The different western theological traditions vary quite a bit in their approach to Greek philosophy. Some of these philosophical ideas were very appealing, such as the existence of a single utterly simple and transcendent God, and were adopted eagerly. Other ideas, like the idea of an eternal universe were much more controversial. Some figures adopted them (like Avicenna or Averroes) others had a moderate rejection of them that nonetheless showed respect to the philosophical traditions (Such as Maimonides or Aquinas) and others vigorously rejected and condemned what they saw as the error of the Philosophers.
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125ce8 No.6841
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bc253a No.6850
>>6760
Niggle was the most basic philosopher in the world no thanks.
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80b0fe No.6912
>Plato did not have children, and it is assumed based on textual evidence that he never married. He did have a number of siblings, however: three brothers, Glaucon, Antiphon, and Adeimantus of Collytus, and one sister, Potone. His father, Ariston of Athens, died when he was young, and his mother, Perictione, remarried with her uncle Pyrilampes.
Plato was either gay or an incel, wasn't he?
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633b1e No.6954
>>>6912
>He condemned faggotry in his works, so it's very unlikely that he was gay. And by his bust one can tell that he probably was not ugly either (quite the opposite actually) and was not "incel" but would rather not have children and take care of his Academy instead.
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633b1e No.6955
>>6912
He condemned faggotry in his works, so it's very unlikely that he was gay. And by his bust one can tell that he probably was not ugly either (quite the opposite actually) and was not "incel" but would rather not have children and take care of his Academy instead.
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cfc439 No.6957
>>6955
what was his argumentation against faggotry?
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41da54 No.6962
>>6957
Plato defines moderation (one of the four virtues) as the ability to control your passions and appetites. Since the only reason why one would engage in a homossexual relationship is lust, homossexuality, by default is a sign of lack of self control and moderation, a lack of virtue. Furthermore it is a mean to undermine "animosity" (this word is used by Plato as synonym for agressiveness, which can be useful when it is dominated by rationality. Masculinity is not a bad synonym either.), making man more feminine, which leads to inversion of (gender) roles, which means lack of order and injustice (his very definition of injustice is inversion of roles, in a way).
The topic is discussed in more detail in The Laws, bu The Republic talks about it too.
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03632b No.6963
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03632b No.6964
>>6841
>Hur dur all Hegelians r mummies
Ok nigger
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cfc439 No.6968
>>6964
im more white than you amerimutt
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13cd7f No.6977
>>6964
>>6841
Not all Memelians are cummies, but all Memelians are faggots.
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03632b No.6984
>>6968
Yeah but your mother prefers my appendage to yours.
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b7843d No.7008
>>6955
>Fags condemning faggotry
>rare
Pick one
t.fag
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382b08 No.7012
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cd1b4b No.7015
>>6760
Hegel would never think that though
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933fc8 No.7021
>>7008
>implies someone was a faggot
>implies someone important who is dead was a faggot
>does is without evidence
>is a self-confessed faggot
Not suprised. Faggots always love to say everybody else, specialy hostorical figures, are /were faggots. I guess it makes you feel normal or something like that.
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9a0822 No.7162
>>6204
"How do you know?" is a bigger problem, you idiot. You can sit and focus only on what's before you, declaring it to be all that is, but you're only doing so to stave the existential dread you experience, because you're weak and stupid, from questioning otherwise.
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