/philosophy/ - Philosophy

I'm against it because Aids Rand cuckolded her husband. Objectivists and Radlibs alike are usually upper class snobs who never had to hold down a job in their life because of the abundance of money. Worshipping money is a Jew move and highly heretical

>>6578

Finally someone actually responds to this.

Her husband agreed with it and their marriage still lasted (happily) to the end of the husband's life.

I'm not a fan of the idea of having a relationship with two people and it's a bit odd to me, myself - but evidently she made it work somehow.

(I wished we could discuss her person less than her ideas but w/e)

>Oists are upper class snobs who never had to hold down a job because they are rich

I know a bunch of Oists from all walks of life.

I'd say about 5% of Oists are exceptionally rich. The ones that are are usually very encouraging towards everyone else.

I come from a lower middle class context, myself. My dad wanted me to become a plumber - now I'm a Software Architect.

I know artists, teachers, philosophers, psychologists, lawyers, welders, antique-shop employees, McDonald's workers etc.

It's a very supportive and charitable community in my opinion.

>worshiping money

Objectivists strive for the achievement of their highest values - not for the achievement of value. Money is only a means to the achievement of other values.

Oists like money because it's a symbol of trade.

Trade itself being the proper means of interacting with others (the only, to-be-avoided, alternative being force).

1. Objectivism is regurgitated communism for people who don't like communism.

2. You began your post addressing arguments against Objectivism without explaining what it was.

>>6593

>2

I was assuming people had a relatively solid grasp on what it was they were rejecting outright

>1

what

>what is Objectivism

It's a philosophy.

Metaphysics:

Existence is as it is.

Contradictions can't exist

Epistemology:

Man is fallible, conceptual, volitional.

Taking fallibility into account, one can still be certain. Certainty simply describes the best possible state of knowledge - and one can achieve it via logical differentiation and integration.

Ethics:

Achieving one's own rational self-interest/happiness is one's moral purpose.

Ethics (social context):

You should view others as prospective traders.

You should be honest and supportive towards your good traders (in your own interest).

Politics:

The purpose of government is the protection of individual rights and the settling of disputes.

In other words:

Government guarantees that humans may live the human life (i.e. in accordance with their nature)

Aesthetics:

Art ought to idealize reality realistically.

>>6594

The market is an ideal circumstance in which we are all both trader and ware. It's crystallized liberalism. It's also a lot like marxism, basing the entirety of the world upon abstracted if A then B, if B then A formulas that form a circular closed loop. The great contradiction being that this leaves us with no freedom whatsoever, as we are bound to equalizing ourselves with the conclusions of said formulas; the Rand cult was, certainly in practice, a typical one in this.

>>6595

>we are 'ware' on the markets

I mean, in terms of jobs (trade relationships), but it's not like we're slaves

>everything is like 'if A then B' and vice versa

Oist epistemology doesn't purely make use of deduction. Oism, like Aristotle, embraces induction. The Oist understanding of induction is this:

Whenever you get one new fact from your senses or your experience - you integrate it with the whole of your knowledge. Your brain does the rest and effectively that new fact ends up conflicting/integrating with all knowledge that doesn't line up with that particular fact.

You are basically re-evaluating how everything is all the time. There is no 'set in stone' how everything is. There is only your current integration of all the facts you ever experienced.

You are the final judge of the truth.

(We do however say that, even though this is so, facts and concepts are objective - because the material by the senses is objective and objective facts form concepts)