5302f0 No.5816
Why is the majority of modern philosophy so awful? I feel like this started around the 1700's, with madmen like Marquis de Sade being touted around as "philosophers". It only got worse in the 1800's with philosophers like Marx coming about and basing their entire ideals on scientific theories (i.e. primitive communism) which were since superseded.
In the modern era philosophy seems to be mostly centred on the self; reality doesn't exist, don't care about others, happiness is the only thing that truly matters, etc. If it's not on the self, it's on the culture or the people, as with Marxist philosophies.
Why does it have to be this way?
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72525b No.5822
Read Guenon and you will have all these questions answered.
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484ffe No.5824
>>5816
Philosophy veered off into Post-Modernism. Best thing is to go back and look at scholars in antiquity.
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625240 No.5838
>>5816
what kind of mouthbreather would call Marquis de Sade a philosopher?
whats his philosophy? being an asshole?
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5302f0 No.5901
>>5838
He let a "philosophic movement" about being a morally devoid degenerate.
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625240 No.5902
>>5901
even as degenerates go, Sade was a class-A piece of shit
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79cb89 No.5907
>>5902
Diogenes wishes he could be Sade
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42bb40 No.5926
>>5816
Because modern philosophers have life too easy. They have to think less about others, and have more time for themselves.
Also personal freedom. Modern philosophers always use the "Live and let live" thinking. Nobody should judge your way of thought, you can make your own preferences, there is nothing the common society can agree on.
The ==CURRENT YEAR== thinking is flawed, because there is just so much discord and complaing and talking. But nobody to listen. Philosophers have given up on changing the world, they want everyone to stand on their own.
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170208 No.5928
This entire thread is embarrassing.
>>5816
>Marquis de Sade being touted around as "philosophers"
He is generally considered a precursor to the West's interest in nihilism. Within the field of philosophy alone he has had considerable influence on both Stirner and Nietszche. His ethics alone are interesting because they offer an inversion of Kant. That being said, I have NEVER read any serious literature that suggested his work should be a personal moral compass, even when the cadence of modern capitalistic society is solipsistic hedonism.
>Marx coming about and basing their entire ideals on scientific theories (i.e. primitive communism) which were since superseded
Say what you want about Marx's body of critique on Capitalism (I have my own grievances with his forethought), but there is no denying that the most well regarded works of historical analysis in the 21st century have been born from the use of Marxist historiography (see: Hobsbawn, Hilton, Hill, Thompson, etc). This method is prominant because of its effectiveness, and is even seeing a resurgance in the wider literature for this reason.
>>5824
>Best thing is to go back and look at scholars in antiquity.
Aristotelian virtue ethics has LITERALLY been going through a revival/improvement since the 1950's. The ancient thinkers have been scrutinised to to oblivion, with a huge amount of modern scholarship being focused on (and a reaction to) dealing with the problems found in their works. To think the ancients have further means to be right just because they lived in antiquity is an embarassing fallacy to make.
>>5926
>They have to think less about others, and have more time for themselves.
I disagree. The field of ethics has exploded in the last century due to pressing legal, sociological, environmental, and bioethical concerns.
In contast, the birthplace of ancient Greek philosophy was the symposium (bed of wine and homosex). Even the greek word for school (σχολῆς) has etymological ties to leisure. You must remember that the philosophy that arose from it was ego driven, with it's starting point being the improvement of the individual.
>you can make your own preferences, there is nothing the common society can agree on.
This has been a staple of human discourse going back all the way to the multiplicity of different schools in ancient Greece.
>Philosophers have given up on changing the world, they want everyone to stand on their own.
Application of philosophical thinking, be it through the Enlightenment philosophers or Marx, culminated into the most bloody century of humanity's history. Philosophers have a right to sit back and be critical/skeptical to any answers they may come up with.
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170208 No.5929
>>5928
>21st century
Sorry, I mean the *20th
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c94d6f No.5930
>I disagree with Marx therefore he is an idiot
That is why philosophy died.
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c94d6f No.5931
Meant to include Sade as well.
>flags
Fucking...
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dc5fac No.5934
Modern philosophers are the only good ones tho.
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4f83d0 No.5935
Modern philosophy is working within a framework of a society that doesn't actually value genuine philosophy (which itself brings up all sorts of philosophical problems), and as a result can only really ever act as a "bandaid-on-the-wound" on the social and intellectual bullshit we inevitably get ourselves into.
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5302f0 No.5938
>>5930
I never said Marx was an idiot. There are many things I disagree with him about, but it's understandable that his beliefs would be the way they were when it was still believed that primitive humans lived in an ownershipless society, but since the 1880's science has changed and we now know that humans did have a sense of ownership over objects and land even during caveman times.
My issue comes from people still treating his words with such legitimacy when it goes against human nature and when most attempts at implementing his philosophies have ended in disaster.
>>5935
Surely we can't maintain this current state of society? Things are already falling apart at the seams, either we change our ways or the US and EU will go the way of the Roman empire.
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c58bef No.5946
>>5816
>Why is the majority of modern philosophy so awful?
Because you don't know anything lmao
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5d0084 No.5955
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ff947f No.5960
>>5816
when they ditched metaphysics shit got real
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9f8e2d No.5963
>>5816
> Read history as well as philosophy so you know who the "philosophers" were and what their goals were rather than just reading about one mans life at a time. Many were Illuminati/Freemason so they all have a general philosophy that they based their texts on, which is why socialism, communism, fascism, and atheism became such an undercurrent with "modern" philosophy. Descartes whole goal was to attack the pope and Christianity, he started the Illuminati.
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49ffee No.6045
>>5816
>idk
KEEP PUSHING ON
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087e23 No.6151
Heidegger isn't awful, and he was 20th century
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c94d6f No.6158
>"In the modern era philosophy seems to be mostly centred on the self; reality doesn't exist, don't care about others, happiness is the only thing that truly matters, etc."
This differs significantly from early western philosophy (solipsism, egoism, hedonism, ect) how exactly? I fail to see how this is a symptom of "modern" philosophy rather than just some of the major recurring themes in the western tradition.
Also mate, just because you don't like whatever trends are in vogue at the moment doesn't mean that they are 'awful'. Really modern philosophy is actually quite well off these days as philosophy is no longer largely relegated to a privileged few and dissemination of ideas is basically cost free. Even with the dominance of natural philosophy you can still find authors publishing in just about every major school of thought.
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ed85af No.6162
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7a94e2 No.6227
>>5938
>t was still believed that primitive humans lived in an ownershipless society, but since the 1880's science has changed and we now know that humans did have a sense of ownership over objects and land even during caveman times.
you're probably misunderstanding what marxists mean by property/ownership. it's about private ownership of the means of production, i.e. factories, machines and such. not about owning "objects" in the sense of your house or toothbrush. (= private and personal property respectively)
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