e4c818 No.976
Hi guys, I just found out about this board and there's something that has been puzzling my mind for a while, and I think that here I could perhaps get some help...
Ever since high school I always had a few friends who could understand the subjects we were taught with much more ease than I could, for example, as they could easily understand the abstract ideias presented and everything, and I always wondered, how did they do that?
Is it because they had a deeper understanding of logic itself than I did? If so, do you think that that can be worked, or is it just something you are born with?
Maybe logic doesn't even have anything to do with that, but I still feel that my undestanding of logic is lacking, so I ask you guys, do you have any starting points I could follow as to start developing my logic skills? Such as recommendations of books, websites, anything really, as I am really lost hahaha.
Picture related I suppose, just google image'd logic and that was the first thing that popped up.
Thank you for the attention
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e4c818 No.977
>>976 start with the greeks
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e4c818 No.1001
>>976you have low IQ,
please reincarnate
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e4c818 No.1060
>>976Things like a good memory or quick grasp of ideas are not inherently linked to logic or even logic skills, though if you master the latter you might be able to facilitate your learning experience.
Logic itself comes with the implicit assumtion that it can (theoretically) be picked up and mastered by anyone, since all you actually need to do is accept axioms that are designed to be intuitively agreed upon anyway. From there, it's just a matter of how you piece the steps together - which is indeed something some people find easier than other, though that's more a difference in intellect as opposed to a difference in logic skills.
Read Frege if you are interested about the idea of logical systems. But any introductiory work, of which there are a few, should do.
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e4c818 No.1251
>>976>symbolic logicyou can probably check online for something. huge numbers of students sell their texts in order to save money.
>probability and inductive logicthis may be a good read:
"philosophical devices" proofs, probabilities, possibilities, and sets
oxford university press
david papineau
perhaps with this, you will have become logic? i dunno...
logic is difficult, and technical. perhaps you may be interested in a philosophy primer. something like:
>introduction to philosophy"the elements of philosophy" readings from past and present
oxford university press 2008.
tamar szabo gendler, susanna siegel, steven m. cahn.
>epistemology is the foundation of all academia, and thus the foundation of philosophy. try searching for some materials of that if interested.
also, watch the matrix. don't bother with 2 and 3.
>metaphysics is the next step. it's beyond physics. it's all about the world and how it works. pretty much everything is a subfield of it. perhaps check materials on it.
enjoy your studies
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e4c818 No.1252
>>976most of the material i've studied has been private online content. many professors are selective about their readings and post them to blackboard for their students.
there was a program we used called Logic 2010. it's a symbolic logic program. i'm not sure if you can purchase it or something. perhaps there's some other program like it for purchase.
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e4c818 No.1253
>>976also, don't be discouraged.
do the best you can with what you have. i can't stress enough how important it is to live by this.
you have your own standard, separate from anyone else.
try to improve yourself step by step, but not at the expense of your quality of life (short and farsighted).
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e4c818 No.1255
>>1060perhaps just engaging in intellectual activity is what's needed to improve intellect?
in other words, just reading, and constantly trying to comprehend material is what's needed for that kind of growth.
i would definitely choose philosophical material to that end, as it's about learning how to think.
i would also probably recommend just reading entertaining books, like LOTR. it's entertaining, thus encouraging reading. reading a lot can improve reading speed, efficiency, vocabulary, as well as foster the imagination.
people don't just automatically understand the concepts. philosophers tend to read the same thing over and over until we get it. many concepts can be difficult to understand, especially depending on the author.
thoughts?
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e4c818 No.1361
>>976Academic tasks just come naturally for some people. Don't be discouraged, it just means you're going to have to work much harder to be successful.
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e4c818 No.1365
>>976>Is it because they had a deeper understanding of logic itself than I did?It's possible it played a role but I believe it is also probably because of your comprehension and level of language.
>If so, do you think that that can be worked, or is it just something you are born with?Your comprehension of the words and the language can improve with time but what you lost as a child will always slow you down. You can thank you parents for that and make sure your child are stimulated at a young age (if you have any).
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e4c818 No.1398
stop with the fucking ponies oh my god
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e4c818 No.1452
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e4c818 No.1453
Perhaps this was merely an impression of yours, but it's hard to say what is it that concerns you. What subjects, in particular, you found in difficulty more often than your friends? Ask yourself this question first.
Your friends probably didn't have a "deeper" understanding of logic than you, but they could have had a more intuitive understanding of the subjects. Which is to say, for example, that they had a easier time following the steps of the a mathematical demonstration. This wasn't necessarily due to a familiarity with "logic", which is only a narrow field of knowledge, but rather their familiarity with definitions necessary to make such demonstrations, so that in their heads they were really "following" the teacher, rather than only being shown the steps.
Now, though I've said "logic" is only a particular field of knowledge, since you seem to be concerned with reasoning in general, there's no reason to avoid it. In fact, it might greatly beneficial. At a layman's level, Wikipedia suffices.
You could also try to dabble in philosophy, and to try to exercise your thought by understanding arguments. Platonic dialogues, though rather dull, portray philosophy in a very natural language, and characters present their viewpoints all in the form of arguments.
But really, anything you choose, so long as it's intellectually challenging, will be to your benefit.
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689ba5 No.5663
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5ebea4 No.5672
Mathematics is the true performance of the brain. It requires constant discipline and evaluation, and its results are directly proportionate with the amount of effort you put into it.
Very similar to body building, you can’t expect a beginner to bench their own weight, and if you stick with it the results will be obvious quickly, but take a lifetime to perfect.
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c10159 No.6269
Firstly, IQ is a thing, and it is likely that your friends have higher IQ than yours (no offence), explaining their quicker learning. Not to say that you can't learn, but perhaps just not as quickly.
As for understanding logic, I have found that watching the videos of Stefan Molyneux and Tom Woods has helped me understand logic and debate much better than I did before (also good for basic understanding of the modern world IMO), you might check them out and see if they work for you. Others would suggest Sam Harris on this count as well.
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