fda42c No.2419 [View All]
Thoughts on stirner and spooks?
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fda42c No.2654
>>2629
Does the egoist want to get thrown out of his apartment? No? Then why would he burn tires in it?
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fda42c No.2658
>>2629
>The very choice means I'm no longer being an egoist. If I choose to stop, it's by one's influence other than my own. If I leave the apartment and thereby the union, I leave not of my own will, but of that of another.
I don't think it was ever stated that egoists are immune to coercion.
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fda42c No.2662
>>2652
Other people might be non-persons, but they can still hurt you, just like an animal can. You wouldn't put your hand in a lion's mouth unless you wanted to lose it, right?
You don't care about others feelings, you only care about what's most beneficial to you. If burning tires is more important to you than housing, then you're free to do so. Just don't expect all the other egoists aka your property to put up with it.
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fda42c No.2669
>>2653
How so?
>>2654
Because he desires to, and he's unrestrained by the thoughts, feelings or desires of any other unless he himself desires to be restrained.
Think of a barbarian.
>>2658
The egoist should be performing the coercion.
In the example given, the person I entered into the union with is the egoist. He makes decisions based on his desires, sentiments and rational conclusions.
If I do anything but refuse his ultimatum all together, I'm his bitch, his "property" as Stirner would say because an egoist would stand for himself on principle.
This conflict would escalate until one leaves or one dies. Egoism is about being alpha as fuck. This is prison philosophy.
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fda42c No.2673
>>2669
>How so?
> social control of some form would necessarily arise.
>Because he desires to, and he's unrestrained by the thoughts, feelings or desires of any other unless he himself desires to be restrained.
Think of a barbarian.
Then he will be thrown out.
>The egoist should be performing the coercion.
In the example given, the person I entered into the union with is the egoist. He makes decisions based on his desires, sentiments and rational conclusions.
If I do anything but refuse his ultimatum all together, I'm his bitch, his "property" as Stirner would say because an egoist would stand for himself on principle.
This conflict would escalate until one leaves or one dies. Egoism is about being alpha as fuck. This is prison philosophy.
Does the egoist wish to die? Then why would he challenge the union in such a way?
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fda42c No.2680
>>2673
>>2653
How so?
>Then he will be thrown out.
Not if he has anything to say about it.
>Does the egoist wish to die? Then why would he challenge the union in such a way?
He wishes to apply his will on the union, and influence his property.
He wishes to burn tires indoors, and now that he's found a suitable home, he wishes to stay.
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fda42c No.2704
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fda42c No.2895
Apparently he was a very significant inflence on Karl Marx who wrote a rambling 300 page book that mostly criticizes Stirner, and yet was not published for fifty years. It makes sense when Marx wanted justification for why society would naturally go from anarchy to something better.
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fda42c No.2896
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fda42c No.2917
>>2895
They do seem like polar opposites. I'd like to see a stormy yaoi relationship between them.
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fda42c No.2918
>>2917
>S-Shut up Stirner! You filthy individualist scu-
>*Silences Marx by softly touching his commie lips*
>Marx... I
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fda42c No.2960
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fda42c No.2966
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fda42c No.3084
>>2680
>Not if he has anything to say about it.
Their 'argument' is more convincing
>He wishes to apply his will on the union, and influence his property.
>He wishes to burn tires indoors, and now that he's found a suitable home, he wishes to stay.
He will be killed and thrown in the street, your scenario is not egoist because it does not serve his interests.
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fda42c No.3088
Stirner was a sloppy writer but said some interesting stuff about how protestantism, and following atheist ideologies, internalized faith. Otherwise it's all purely conceptual masturbation that doesn't have anything to say about how people actually are, yet pathologizes all who do not conform to this form of the unique egoist.
Spooks are a /leftypol/ meme that indicates the fear people it's posters have of people turning out to be less one dimensional than being solely working class or bourgoise.
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fda42c No.3096
>>3088
Spooks are a /lit/ meme
You don't understand spooks, and there is no fear involved. The spooks represent abstractions that people hold and treat like they're real. For instance, /pol/ wants to fight for muh nation, but what is a nation? Have you seen one? Does it exist in anything but your head? Because it does not really exist, it's definition is subjective, we can see this phenomenon occur in christianity with the many denominations. Spooks cloud peoples vision of the world, and keeps them from seeing the truth about things.
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fda42c No.3100
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me and my own,
t3h Cr34TiV3 N07h1nG
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fda42c No.3110
>>3096
With the difference being that /leftypol/ uses it for everything that is not marxism, quite ironic, but that doesn't seem to bother them.
Something doesn't have to a tangible object to be real, or treated as real. The interpretation that arose from the pixels on the screen aren't, yet you responded to it as if there were meaning in it. It's this kind of philosophy that keeps you running in purity circles, with the only people who might truly be called true egoists without spooks being the severely mentally retarded who have no theory of mind or conception of anything that isn't a tangible object.
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fda42c No.3111
Stumped by Zarathushtra. Not talking about Nietzche, but Zarathushtra himself.
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fda42c No.3119
>>3088
>>3096
>>3100
tried to do a quentin style image, but i forgot to add the ad homenims until i got to the last one. i lack the autisim to do this any better.
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fda42c No.3126
>>3110
Your ignorance is not an argument.
/leftypol/ is majority anarchist, not marxist. /leftypol/ uses it against someone using abstractions as though they were real, i.e muh nation muh money muh God. If something cannot be detected with the use of our senses or through machines/science we should reject it's existence. To not do so would be an article of faith, a hallmark of religions.
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fda42c No.3129
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fda42c No.3132
>>3119
Beautiful /philosophy/ OC
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fda42c No.3134
>>3119
>the sophist pill
this has potential
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fda42c No.3143
>>3126
Since the term is defined by it's use, I used the definition of it's use on 8chan, the term as used by stirner would render anarchism and communism spooks as well, hence why he was not a communist and there being irony in the term as used by leftypol.
>If something cannot be detected with the use of our senses or through machines/science we should reject it's existence. To not do so would be an article of faith, a hallmark of religions.
Something not being a tangible object does not mean it doesn't exist, the comparison with deities is a false one. You responding to my post proves that you don't adhere to this logic yourself, as the meaning that you place upon the words I use is not tangible.
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fda42c No.3147
>>3143
The difference is that no one acts like ideas exist in a physical form
>Something not being a tangible object does not mean it doesn't exist, the comparison with deities is a false one.
It requires faith
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fda42c No.3150
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fda42c No.3151
>>3147
>The difference is that no one acts like ideas exist in a physical form
That would be irrelevent if not being tangible makes it non-existent.
>It requires faith
It does not require faith in any definition of faith that doesn't come down to solipist deduction, a deduction that be can be applied to any tangible object in the same manner.
A corporation, for example, is not a tangible object yet exists by it's definition, a deity does not.
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fda42c No.3152
>>3151
To elaborate on this.
A deity is a being that exists separately from us, it is intangible in this sense that we cannot sense or prove it. A corporation is intangible in the sense that it is a structure, there is no claim of the corporation as a being that exists separate from people. The equivalency is therefor false.
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fda42c No.3431
>>3152
>>3151
>A corporation is intangible in the sense that it is a structure, there is no claim of the corporation as a being that exists separate from people.
Whether a deity's existence is claimed to be independent of people is irrelevant. The belief in the existence of a deity can be put into the same category as a belief in a corporation or other mental construct. A rock or a gun has a material counterpart that will behave and affect you regardless of what anyone believes about it. Pulling a trigger or dropping a rock on you will result in injury. When someone commits a sin or breaks company policy, the rules and their consequences are a product of people's minds. The consequences in this case have results that depend on the states of mind of both the person in this position and the people around them. If I commit a sin, whether I am punished by feeling guilty depends on my state of mind, while whether I'm punished by being stoned depends on my neighbors' states of mind. If I violate company policy, whether I'm fired and subject to a non-disclosure agreement depends on my employers' states of mind. Whether I comply depends on my state of mind. These are artificial constructs that only carry weight because of people's beliefs in them. The exact nature of the belief isn't really the point. The contents of precisely nobody's mind is relevant to whether I die when a gun goes off and blows a hole in my head.
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fda42c No.3443
>>3431
>Whether a deity's existence is claimed to be independent of people is irrelevant.
No, it isn't. The claim that Odin exists is incomparable than claiming that microsoft produces software.
> The belief in the existence of a deity can be put into the same category as a belief in a corporation or other mental construct. A rock or a gun has a material counterpart that will behave and affect you regardless of what anyone believes about it. Pulling a trigger or dropping a rock on you will result in injury. When someone commits a sin or breaks company policy, the rules and their consequences are a product of people's minds.
That's a non-sequitur. As if someone getting fired is as fictious as Odin creating a thunder storm when he is pissed because rules are enforced by people. It's such a strange comparison, and done with such particular wording, that I think you read some standard philosophy and are now throwing around words.
>The consequences in this case have results that depend on the states of mind of both the person in this position and the people around them. If I commit a sin, whether I am punished by feeling guilty depends on my state of mind, while whether I'm punished by being stoned depends on my neighbors' states of mind.
Indeed, how people respond to you depends on how they are.
>These are artificial constructs that only carry weight because of people's beliefs in them. The exact nature of the belief isn't really the point. The contents of precisely nobody's mind is relevant to whether I die when a gun goes off and blows a hole in my head.
Artificial implies that there is a natural version of something that is recreated by people, like there are artificial lakes and artificial rock formations. If there are those "artificial constructs", then what are their natural versions?
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fda42c No.4390
I want to see a picture of stirner cross dressing case society is all spooks.
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fda42c No.4391
Is there a philosopher who hated religion as much as Stirner? He rants about it or the God-fearing in every chapter. I'm not even sure what more there is to learn from him, but his rants are entertaining.
>Wheels in the Head
"Man, your head is haunted; you have wheels in your head! You imagine great things, and depict to yourself a whole world of gods that has an existence for you, a spirit-realm to which you suppose yourself to be called, an ideal that beckons to you. You have a fixed idea!
Do not think that I am jesting or speaking figuratively when I regard those persons who cling to the Higher, and (because the vast majority belongs under this head) almost the whole world of men, as veritable fools, fools in a madhouse."
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fda42c No.4392
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fda42c No.4906
>>2421
>girlfriend
I sense a spook
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fda42c No.4946
If only Stirner had been born in ancient China, he could have stopped Confucius from enshrining hierarchies, collectivism at the expense of personal happiness, and ended millennia of bullshit which still chokes up asian languages to this very day.
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fda42c No.4950
So are the concepts of possesion or ownership spooks as well?
If so then how can something be my property?
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fda42c No.4957
>>4950
when you take something because might makes right then it is not a spook that it is your property i think
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fda42c No.4988
Guyz I need your help.
For the past four weeks I have been unable to sleep without masturbating to Max Stirner's philosophy. Nothing else gets me hard, what do I do? I think Stirner solicited me and he turned me gay?
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fda42c No.4991
>>4957
But how can you own something? Ownership is just an idea.
If you take something from someone else then you have it. But according to Stirners idea that you are only free to do what you are able to do then the second you put it down you give someone else the opportunity to take it, so then how can it still be yours?
I think to actually have things the Stirner way you would have to lock up all the things you want to have so that only you can get to them, making them actually only yours.
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fda42c No.4993
>>4991
>But how can you own something?
might makes right
also you can ask on /anarcho/ or /liberty/ or /leftypol/
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fda42c No.4995
>>4993
The "might" you're talking about is impractical. Its almost impossible to own something the Stirner way.
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fda42c No.5000
Stirner is bullshit. Don't know why somebody would like him.
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fda42c No.5004
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fda42c No.5005
>>5004
Seriously, Stirner is just irrelevant.
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fda42c No.5030
Stirner was a literal cuck and his philosophy never was about politics.
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fda42c No.5032
>>5030
>egoist
>cuck
pick one
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c5d914 No.6231
>>3119
>3rd one doesnt even explain his position
I mad.
>all taken on the same day
Impressive.jpeg
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be9312 No.6244
>>5030
why would you want politics in your philosophy
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e0cdb5 No.6248
>>5000
The same reason people like Diogenes.
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