/islam/ - 8kun Masjid

>>41596

>if you don't have the same man made politics as me, then you're not Muslim!

Go cry on Reddit.

>>41602

Where did the brother push man made politics?

>>41598

Okay liberal.

>>41601

Globohomo will not stop until the entire world is

gay.

>>41602

Found the atheist/protestant.

Keep this garbage in the politics general.

>Also, you can't mix this islamic method with the kafir democracy which is a system of rule by humans for humans without the guidance of Allah, where they can change the halal and haram according to the whims of the majority.

Ye even when Muslims used election, it was only the top scholars who had a say in it, not the unqualified, inexperienced, non specialist, general population, which even classical Greek philosophers like Socrates criticized democracy for being, and was executed for preaching.

>>39069

if Muhammad PBUH and his sahabah didn't interpret it that way then don't interpret it that way

Trump

>>41639

I love how you discuss how I interpret this, or that, 14 centuries ago, and ignore what I say when you have me alive:

https://8kun.top/islam/res/41809.html

https://8kun.top/x/res/58439.html

Saved from the edge of the board!

>>41572

why lol

Anime and video games are for children and you probably shouldn't be consuming them past the age of 16.

>>41589

Isn't your name from undertale?

>>41142

>Allah will give him perfect knowledge of Islam

That's prophet-like, I legitimately believe he will be given the Quran or a belief in it and the rest is a matter of the favour of Quran being completed upon him. The book is literally perfect and that implies he needs no more.

الله علم

>>41145

yeah that's what I mean

he will be the most knowledgeable apart from Isa (as)

>>41140

also there is a disagreement it the christians of who is the messiah but nobody knows the knowledge of the word. To know the word that would lead to the bible: The jewish man made concept of "messiah" is of a few verses of the bible talking about the mahdi but they attributed those to jesus who didn't do the verses (sorry if i explain further you will get confuse also i'm as well) jesus got attributed one verse of the suffering lamb while the mahdi and not jesus would be the "conseoulour" verse. Mahdi isn't the messiah but he is.

>>41560

Exactly akhi, if you read the scripture the jews attributes to the messiah they're clearly making arbitrary ties between verses and strictly abiding by it, when the tanakh contains all sorts of predictions of all sorts of prophets, they never strictly all mean one prophet except in the case of the prophecies they deem unfulfilled in which case the next prophet has to fill all of them???? Alhamdulillah we're not upon such misguidance akhi, we accept all prophets in humble submission to our Creator.

The Messiah is supposed to be a king for the Israelites (banu ishaq in hadith) who will vanquish the pagans and spread monotheism. That's what jews expected, it was never supposed to be god in the flesh like the pagan christians claim. Those who were not patient did not believe in him, his mission is to be complete in the end times with his reign as king after he defeats dajjal and goes on to conquer the rest of the world, until the lion lays down with the lamb. His symbolic importance is also to destroy both christianity & judaism, by proving he is only a man as he will die within 40 years, and as well killing the false messiah of the jews, dajjal.

>>41537

To set forth a simile to make what

>>41539

has said about preventing bad to allow good a bit more expansive;

The west has two sides of the road, speed limits, and traffic laws to give drivers more freedom by keeping things safe. They have the FDA and DEA and the SEC to protect consumers and give them more freedom.

Humans are incapable of forbearing past note to immediate dangers, but Allah is. Sexual immorality, gambling, shirk, and all that which is outlawed by Shariah are dangering to society just like a speeding car except in a more long term way.

Allahu 'alim.

>>41537

>We then come to the "problem" of Sharia law, in which are the laws of the Qur'an as they are interpreted by scholars.

So these aren't just 'wise elders' that make assumptions based on their opinions, Islamic academic studies are extensive intricate fields that have spanned centuries, I'd say that they arguably are more detailed and based on rationale than any other religious studies. If we just look at the sciences of Hadith (teachings of the Prophet (PBUH)) are really substantial, in order to prove a teaching is authentic they had to identify a chain of narration, who passed down the teaching to who, and within that chain who is trust worthy, so they had to create research and create biographies for everyone in the chain of narration. These works that the scholars of the past did are still held in high regard by general academia today.

So when we talk about interpretation by scholars its still done by evidence and rationale, the major laws have unanimous consensus and no debate, but the minor ones that are especially dependent on time periods we don't deny there can be mistakes. Such is how there was a time in history when coffee was fairly new, it was forbidden, this was since they didn't know about the specific effects it had on a persons mind, and they assumed it did have a level of intoxication, but with time and research they realized was ok to consume.

>I personally believe that Western society is more fitting to test a person, and closer to God's ideal than a society governed by Sharia law because it allows a person more freedom, something that God himself has given us.

Sharia is more so to protect the community rather than police the individual, contrary to the west. In sharia in order for you to be punished, there are strict requirements for evidence that are needed to be convicted, such as for adultery there needs to be 4 witnesses that see the act of penetration, which is incredibly rare to happen, unless the act is being done in a public setting. And so in a private setting if its done, its between you and God, if its in public setting, then it becomes a problem because you're causing trouble within Post too long. Click here to view the full text.

>But no, by your Lord, they will not [truly] believe until they make you, [O Muhammad], judge concerning that over which they dispute among themselves and then find within themselves no discomfort from what you have judged and submit in [full, willing] submission. 4:65

>It is not for a believing man or a believing woman, when Allah and His Messenger have decided a matter, that they should [thereafter] have any choice about their affair. And whoever disobeys Allah and His Messenger has certainly strayed into clear error. 33:36

Allah's SWT laws are as clear as day in the quran and they are perfect.

When he tells us to collect zakat, establish salat, enforce good forbid evil, ban alcohol, usury, gambling, punish the adulterer, the thief, the corrupter of the land, we do it, because Allah (swt) knows best and we recognize we are slaves with temporary free will to obey his command.

Actually there is no freedom of choice under shariah law, anyone who breaks it is punished, whether he is jew, christian or muslim.

Human being are slaves, there is no freedom of speech, there is no freedom of association in Islam.

Under shariah law we will not allow you to insult islam, or speak ill or be filthy.

This is a man made invention that we were conditioned in so we believe that's how it should be.

When you enter Islam, you enter it fully.

Either you submit your forehead on the floor in this life willingly, or you get dragged on your forehead into hell forcefully in the hereafter.

There will always be insincere hypocrites, but under the shade of shariah, they will fear to show their kufr, so they will hide it and not spread it.

The difference is in the west those hypocrites are then allowed to spread their evil freely.

>>41543

>The difference is in the west those hypocrites are then allowed to spread their evil freely.

This.

The hypocrites and the 'modernization' of Islam is the greatest threat to Islam. If allowed to continue, there will be nothing of the religion left. I think I remember a hadith saying that the first thing to go will be the code of laws and the last thing to go will be the prayer. We are already seeing

The Messenger of Allah PBUH said: “Among my ummah there will be people who will regard as permissible adultery, silk, alcohol and musical instruments.” [Bukhari 5590]

>>41544

“The bonds of Islam will be undone one by one. Each time one bond is undone, the people will move to the next one (and adhere to that). The first bond to be undone will be ruling (al-hukm) and the last one will be prayer (al-salaah).”

Hukm is the caliphate which was the first loss in the islamic dark age which fits with the hadith on the prophetic methodology caliphate emerging in the end times.

For example when Trump (roman) killed iran's general (Shi'a) do we support america? Of course not, we are just happy they fight each-other.

>>41445

>>41301

>not only heat, but extreme cold, high pressures, deep falls, you actually float, the sound is horrible & destroys your eardrums, the sights are terrifying but your eyes are ripped open

So … not much different from living in this world?

>>41302

Except for Allah's love, I mean. Obviously in this world Allah loves us perfectly, but the rest of that torture just sounds like every waking day.

>>41303

closest thing I would think is jumping in molten nuclear waste

>>41301

I've been told that after some time spent in hell Allah may find forgiveness and allow you to continue in Jannah but I wouldn't try it.

Just apologize to Allah and avoid further temptation, he has patience for all but the most obscene sins Subhanallah

>>41482

Yeah it's just for sinners with tawhid & who used to pray, will eventually be consumed by the fire except the forehead, taken out before the final closure of jahanam and healed in a river of paradise.

But as you said, none of us should ever wish to even see it. Or it seeing us.

>>41322

Boko Haram isn't implementing Sharia law to the letter. They are a criminal gang who's version of Sharia is 'do what I say or I will kill you'. Most of their victims are Muslims who live in that part of the country. They use hit and run style tactics to indiscriminately attack Muslim civilians, trying to force the government into a peace deal where their insane leader doesn't get into any trouble. Most of their fighters know little if anything about Islam.

Just because they declared themselves to be allied with ISIS doesn't mean they are anything like them. If you want to be pro-ISIS that is one thing, but Boko Haram in its current form is something completely different.

>>41323

I wasn't trying to be pro any group. I was just trying to say that literally any native group is better than the West, since at least that group will have to stay at the places they conquer, so their fortune is tied to the fortune of that place providing an incentive for development, even if that group were literally kaffirs that didn't even call themselves Muslims. Unlike the West, who just slaughter and take what they want and then go back home.

>>41323

Initially when their leader pledged to IS he was accepted until he started doing things against islam so IS fired him, so a part of boko is still with IS but another with loyal to their ex leader. But that leader still claims to be part of IS, even if IS reject him. So there's two types of boko haram now.

>>41325

Lmao, what could he have possibly done that even ISIS had to condemn it?

>>41334

Enslaving muslims I think.

ISIS does not believe muslims who live in kaffir lands deserve to be punished.

It might surprise you but they are very bureaucratic.

See: >>41223

Gonna have to try harder than that to track us.

All of you don't live in the West, right?

>>41260

I don't know about anyone else, but I live in the US.

>>41261

Most of us on this board live in the US.

Aren't they kaafirs? Isn't all this happening in a kaafir country? Shouldn't we celebrate what's happening, since internal strife will weaken that country?

>>41271

One can celebrate safely.

>>41275

>Just sit back and watch it unfold

That;s how I celebrate.

>>27226

Consistent prayer, even if routine, is still infinitely better for your soul (not even talking about the day of judgement, just here in this current life you're leading) than non-prayer; but obviously mindful prayer is also infinitely superior to algorithmic routine prayer.

>>27196

wow

[experience]: I had the same problem, when I pray I get very distracted, I would remember everything I've forgotten, in the middle of praying I would figure out the solution to every problem I've been facing, as if '`someone`' is distracting me, and after I go back to it I forget the solution again.. Weird right?, I can figure out the solution to whatever situation I've been trying to solve for a long time in the middle of my prayers, which sets me astray for a while

[mentality]: now I like to think of praying as a connection with Allah, who is looking down at you(as a great king) listening to you, I don't rush the words out of my mouth, I don't slow them down instead I focus on what they mean, trying to speak from my heart, not just as in praying and be done with it, but meet, thank, greet and ask Allah who has blessed me with so much, I would hate to be a hypocrite or a liar to my god I cannot guarantee if I can end this prayer alive, I would be doomed to meet my maker as a pretender

[say]: standing, "I seek protection in Allah from the accursed satan", then, "in the name of Allah the most beneficent, the merciful", bowing, "Oh God, I mean your obedience and good worship, Allah who you guide cannot be mislead and who you mislead cannot be guided, Glory Alrahman, my god write me with who you guide", "my maker for you I bow'd and in you I believe'd and for you I submit, my face bows for his creator, who enabled me to hear and see, Glory you I've wronged myself, guide me and have mercy on me you are the most merciful of all", "Glory you write me with those who are blessed to see your face I submit myself to you, my god I worship you without seeing you, but I know you see me, I bow to you alone, I ask you to reward me the greatest reward (seeing your holy face)"

[remember]: this is my experience, talk from your heart, when you're bowing on the ground you're closest to Allah

Good information bumping from the last page

For anyone else facing this;

Literally make du'a.

"Ya rabb please help me focus during my prayers"

Or

"Ya rabb please purify my prayers"

Furthermore gratitude can be extrapolated from anything. Alhamdulillah I'm capable of feeling sex, alhamdulillah I'm praying instead of fighting. Etc.

Just read it. If you don't understand some part and want to know more about it, look it up in the Tafsir Ibn Kathir. It is all online.

>>41214

It's very simple and straight forward, purposefully so. Sometimes people make errors in translation, but you can read more than one translation in order to help better understand it.

>>41214

There's meaning and there's context (like when the verse is mention and under what circumstance). To understand it fully you need to have both.

Anyways to answer your question, you can learn by yourself, but look at it this way, to fully understand a subject or a matter, you go to specialists or someone who is well verse in their fields like a doctor for health, a math teacher for math related questions and etc. And even then, you do not, matter fact, should not stop and ask from just one doctor, you ask plenty of them to have a concrete grasp on your health for example. And so forth. I hope you get what I mean. Even doctors/engineers/scholars of islam argue/debate and take info or lessons from each other. If these specialists needs references from one another, why do you think you can understand something all by yourself. If you're just googling, try to google from many different sources. But a teacher/specialists is still needed from time to time. That's just how learning is. Unless you're pioneering in something, information and knowledge flows from teachers to books and students.

https://quranx.com/tafsirs/1.1

>>41237

>Has man finally created life (through technology)?

No.

>what does this mean, theologically?

Nothing.

No not even close, nor will it happen.

We don't even understand consciousness or have powerful enough computers. You can never create life, since we don't know what the spark of life is, if you give them the materials for a cell, they wont be able to make one, if you give them a prebuilt cell, they wont be able to spark life into it.

it is a mere sci-fi fantasy, i mean sure it could be complex but it isn't sentient or has a soul

Oh look, /fringe/ came back and suddenly we have a (thinly disguised) transhumanism thread on /islam/ again.

>>41237

Nope, not even close. We don't have a clue about what makes us conscious, yet alone what would make an automata so. All life comes from Allah first of all, secondly it is incapable of feeling anything, or producing a sentient thought.

>>41227

Yeah but it shows the argument

>but muh ulama said X

is batil, since majority isn't evidence, neither are palace scholars and dogs of dictators.

>>41230

Won't the state forces shoot / arrest those who don't pay taxes? The IRS is ruthless. What about muslims who leech welfare? And those who pay taxes are murtadin?

>>41230

Living in the west, one can not just up and leave and be able to easily immigrate to a Muslim majority country. There are restrictions from doing it, and it would be deliberately putting ones family into poverty. It’s not like there is anywhere on earth that is practicing Sharia Law, even Saudi Arabia. Everywhere is darl ul kufr. If you go around publicly in the United States or Europe saying that you want Sharia Law implemented immediately, nothing will happen to you. If you do the same thing in certain Muslim majority countries you will be imprisoned for a very long time.

I personally have elderly parents in the US who are still Christians (may Allah guide them). Taking care of one’s parents when they reach old age is strongly emphasized in Islam. There are even hadith that talk about a man that wanted to go for jihad and the Prophet PBUH told him to take care of his elderly mother instead.

>>41244

>Sharia Law

Its just "Sharia" brother, sharia already means "Islamic Law", you're basically saying "Islamic Law Law", lol

Here's his actual invite idk what happened:

https://fbi.gov/rSDucZy

Alright, its on discord, but they replaced it with fbi, so it would be discord .gg / rSDucZy

I'm actually serious, this is a great place to 🤬post and discuss islam don't overlook it.

We don't use your honeypot, fed. We have our own means of communication that doesn't allow the FBI to watch us.