/islam/ - 8kun Masjid

>>37041

>The dangers of the murji'a

Murji'ah don't exist anymore.

>the shirk of democracy

I for one am glad I get to choose my representatives. If I don't stand up and choose, then someone else will choose them for me. We've been down that road and it's a nasty one.

>>37048

>Murji'ah don't exist anymore.

indeed they do they are those who don't takfir the mushrikeen and make excuses for murtadeen

>I for one am glad I get to choose my representatives. If I don't stand up and choose, then someone else will choose them for me. We've been down that road and it's a nasty one.

that is false, check the video

>>37050

not true, this is what albani really says, only ikhwani mushrikeen will claim its wajib

>>37052

>reply is 9 minutes after my post

Did you read all the fatawa?

>what al-Albani meant

The Sheikh was against democracy in muslim countries because they already have muslim populations and the capacity for shura, sharia, sultan. He explicitly distinguishes this from the non-muslim world. This is why I said I am American muslim, democracy and voting for least bad persons are the best available option to me and others in the west.

>>37052

>>37053

>>37054

>>37055

Feels like the fatawa I posted have been ignored and I’m not going to watch four videos when I post the fatawa and they are not addressed. Again it appears you are ignoring the fatawa of al-Albani or accusing him of contradicting yourself. Do I support democracy in a muslim country? No. But muslims must vote outside muslim countries, according to the ulema.

>>37056

>>37057

I read them, want me to address each one? What's the point if you will be close minded and not watch these videos?

>>37062

>read them

You said only ikhwan al muflisoon says voting can be wajib but so did Ibn Uthaimeen.

I will check out the vids. After I checkout your vids later today I will try to find the al-albani statement that differentiates between muslim and non-muslim countries. Trading sharia for democracy is not acceptable, only when sharia is not an option is it ok to vote.

As with all politics threads, this will be the following:

1] Nobody listens to others because "only I am right"

2] Everyone shouts into an indifferent void

3] Insults are inevitable

>>37071

Things can’t get worse for Sunnis from a war with Iran. Having four sunni countries dominated by Iranian militias/death squads is not a status quo worth preserving. If the regime gets knocked out it helps Sunnis in Syria, Iraq, Lebanon, Yemen. Any risk is worth taking to get rid of this cancerous regime.

>>37064

In the doc you shared, the scholars say only when voting does not involve legislating. If it does, it's shirk 100%. But you agree democracy in principle is against tawheed right? And do you know it is a taghut?

>>37069

Getting ahead of yourself here.

>>37071

I think a conflict between iran and the house of saud is inevitable, but it won't drag russia or any of the strong countries in the war. It will be similar to the iran iraq war, except that both sides will be backed by the strong countries. It would be devastating and would be bigger than syria for sure. But it is certain, within 5 years. We already see the signs today, iran is threatening the arabs with blocking hormuz because if it can't sell oil nobody will. The war would obviously be aimed at controlling eachothers oil regions, iran and saudis both are near the gulf coast and that region has millions of shiites which could be turned into fifth column militias against their monarchs by iran. Islamic State is also very present in that area and the najd/riyadh. If saudis fail sunnis will be desperate, I will leave that to your imagination.

>NEW: Iran or Iranian-backed proxies used explosives to blow holes in four ships – two Saudi oil tankers and two others – near the Strait of Hormuz, according to an initial assessment of the U.S. team sent to investigate, @CBSDavidMartin confirms.

https://twitter.com/CBSEveningNews/status/1128063926120472576

>>37076

Iran are the new Qarmatians. If they try to take the haramain then we will see what muslims can do when the US does not interfere and call us “terrorists” for fighting the rafida enemy.

>>37076

The Saudis haven’t been able to defeat a group of Shiite militias in Yemen that don’t even have heavy weapons (even with all the billions KSA spends purchasing American weapons) for years. There is no way they would be able to fight Iran on their own. There would almost certainly have to be US intervention, which would make Russia and China very angry. The United States has been pushing for a war with Iran for a very, very long time. Russia and China have gotten tired of US regime change after what happened in Libya. They didn’t let regime change go through in Syria or in Venezuela, and they certainly aren’t going to let it go through (unchallenged) in Iran. If they don’t openly go to war, they could easily supply Iran with air defense systems and other weapons.

>>37084

The Houthis control an insignificant amount of territory and the reason they still exist is because Saudi and allies fight as a conventional army and is monitored by UN/ NGO’s unlike Iran and their shia death squads that ethnically cleanse entire cities. And if you think millions of Sunnis will not volunteer to stop kaaba falling to shia then that is deep denial. They only need some assurance they will not be arrested as “terrorists”. Sunnis have not been able to recruit fighters legally since the Soviet invasion of Afghanistan. Meanwhile every Shia country and region openly recruits for their death squads.

>>37087

The kaaba is a very long ways away from Iran. The Iranian military’s offensive capabilities would be rendered completely inept from a US bombing campaign. Thinking that the United States isn’t going to get directly involved in a war with Iran after the smallest possible provocation is delusional. War with Iran has been what the neo-cons have wanted the most of all. It would however be a complete bloodbath for the United States when they tried to physically occupy the country.

>>37079

yup

>>37084

Politics is not about being "angry", russia and china have NO interest in iran, and china has done nothing against US intervention, in fact allowed it when china and russia did not veto the US decision on libya. Only reason russia is in syria is because of STRATEGIC interests, the only thing that guides states in politics. As much as you would love to think, russia or china aren't the anti imperialist good guys /pol/ make them out to be. Yes saudis will probably lose a war with iran, yes iran and saudi will be armed by their respective allies, but NO direct intervention will happen, theres simply no strategic interests for the top players.

>>37090

If Iran attacks Saudi be sure that Pakistan will unleash hell upon Iran from the east. Two front war for Team Majoos.

>>37094

They have india to worry about. Plus their pathetic generals visit iran and salute them. Their gwadar port is getting cucked by iran and indian joint projects. But im sure saudi will get some paki nukes since they funded their nuclear program.

>>37100

All the ISI has to do is help Balochis destabilize eastern Iran, Gulf countries help Ahwazis, and the Kurds will do their thing. And then Europe can take the Iranian refugees. Overnight Assad, Houthis, Puppet Iraq disintegrate.

>>37102

baloch and ahwaz have been quite active… wondering if turkey + azerbajan will back azeri nationalists in iran would be interesting

>>37130

Iran will reap what it sows, terror. As if the floods were not enough of a warning from Allah.

>>37151

mossad puppets are here to stay, you're right.

>>37148

I dont think that beach ever opened did it? Did they build the mushrik temple for the guest laborers? Maybe. I was very upset about the driving, how they caved to the feminazis, but after researching the Vietnam war specifically the Ho Chi Minh trail I see having female drivers is quite useful in a war situation. What do we all think of the kaffira murtada Rahaf? I would crush her trachea and watch her retarded face go blank..

>>37161

Ignore him, but whatever you do don't try to vote him out of office because voting is totes shirk, guise.

>>37162

>voting is shirk

nope

>>37152

Don't slander.

>>37161

Defend yourself.

>>37162

>>37163

Yes it's shirk, watch vids above. Fear Allah (swt) and do not follow other deens.

>>37166

>Yes it's shirk

No, it isn't; but you'll never agree with me so enjoy your clown leaders put in place by people who actually do vote.

>>37166

Shirk is the worst possible sin in Islam. Committing murder and adultery inside the Haram during Ramadan are ridiculously horrible sins, but they aren’t shirk. Are you saying that voting is worse than those acts, since voting is shirk?

>>37167

Watch videos above if you don't believe me. Check out the arguments at least before rushing towards jahanam.

>>37171

Yes, since it is shirk al uluhiya, because candidates claim to be legislators on any front, including moral ones, which makes them create laws that contradict Allah's laws. This makes them claimants of an attribute of Allah (swt), al Hakam (the legislator). Voting for them means you accept them as a valid legistlator, and thus take them as gods besides Allah, making you a mushrik kaffir in the act.

>>37173

On the authority Abi Ab’dillahi al-Nu’man ibn Basheer RA who said: I heard the Messenger of Allah SAW say: “That which is lawful is clear and that which is unlawful is clear and between the two of them are doubtful [or ambiguous] matters about which not many people are knowledgeable. Thus, he who avoids these doubtful matters certainly clears himself in regard to his religion and his honor. But he who falls into the doubtful matters falls into that which is unlawful like the shepherd who pastures around a sanctuary, all but grazing therein”

The fact that there are notable Islamic scholars (some mentioned above) that came to the conclusion that voting in a democracy is not only acceptable, but is something that should be done in order to bring about better conditions for the Muslims living in that country, means that this issue has not been made clear. Issues that have been made clear would not have disagreements. For instance, there is no disagreement about whether eating pork or drinking alcohol is haram.

You are suggesting that there is a matter (voting) that is more sinful than committing the most egregious sins in the most holy place during the most holy month, and that Allah and his Messenger SAW did not make this matter crystal clear to the Muslims? You don’t see reasonable people arguing whether astrology, zina, robbery, murder or usury are allowed..do you?

>>37212

So, what you're saying is that Allah appointed Trump as President of the United States and that even if a true and pious Muslim were to run against him that we should not vote against Trump?

>>37215

>A true and pious muslim, running for presidency in the usa

lol,

We'll just "vote in" the khilafah my brothers. Up until the next vote in 5 years ofc, when the majority of votes decide to usher in atheist rule and we moazlems happily hand over the rule to them.

If you unironically believe that your "muslim representatives" will enforce the sharia in kuffar countires if you vote them in power, you're wrong. Not only will they sin by accepting and enforcing the law of the land that is based on the whims of the kuffar and the people in that land, you might also incur sin by aiding them.

The act of voting itself may not be shirk. But it can very well become it. In a democracy, people vote for representatives in hopes that they'll give them certain things in the form of laws, rules and regulation. Thus, mans whims are given precedence over divine law.

There are plently of "democratic muslims countries" out there where people vote in their rulers. Go ask yourself why those people don't enforce the sharia and instead occupy themselves with other worldly matters.

>>37215

No true muslim would even come near it, as signing up as a candidate means they have to pledge allegiance to the shirk system itself, taking them out of Islam. By becoming candidates they set themselves up as rivals to Allah (SWT) and his laws. They claim implicitly that they hold the right to legislate and that they are only beholden to what kuffar vote and the kaffir man made constitution. Democracy is a deen, it's another religion, it's god is man and his intellect, it says Allah (SWT) has NO right to dictate to us the laws we will make them instead we know what's best. This is the implicit religion those who participate in or vote enter without knowledge.

>>37223

A kaafir is a kaafir, he will always try to kill you. What does Allah SWT say how to deal with them? Jihad, not voting, not begging them or playing their game :

"And what is [the matter] with you that you fight not in the cause of Allah and [for] the oppressed among men, women, and children who say, "Our Lord, take us out of this city of oppressive people and appoint for us from Yourself a protector and appoint for us from Yourself a helper?"" 4:75

Are you gonna tell a bosnian family who fell victim to these kaffara mujrimeen, that they should have voted better to avoid their slaughter?

And majority vote can never guide :

"And if you obey most of those upon the earth, they will mislead you from the way of Allah. They follow not except assumption, and they are not but falsifying." 6:116

>>37173

>calling millions of Muslims all over the world who have participated in voting kufar

>>37166

>hey guise don’t slander ISIS

>>37255

Whoever takes as legislators men whom rule by which Allah (swt) has not given any authority, then he has taken them as lords besides Allah (swt), and both the candidate and the voter are mushrikin, and the candidate is the taghut adversary to Allah (swt). Also those who fight to defend the democratic taghuti system, such as the army and police, are also mushrikin murtadin.

Second point, slandering muslims is a huge sin, even if you disagree with them or hate them. This is for your own good, lest they absorb your good deeds and you fall disgraced.

>>37258

>Whoever takes as legislators men whom rule by which Allah (swt) has not given any authority, then he has taken them as lords besides Allah (swt)

>voting means you take the candidate as your new Lord in place of the Creator

voters are voting for a political leader, not a new Creator of the universe.

This is why "their" reasoning leads to errors.

>>37280

You are right in that they do not claim creation to them (tawhid al rububiyyah) but they are claiming the right to legislate anything which falls into shirk al uloohiyya. That is like associating partners to Allah (swt) in making what is haram & halal, for example when a sahabi `Adi bin Hatim, may Allah be pleased with him, who became Christian during the time of Jahiliyyah, went to the Messenger of Allah (صلى الله عليه و سلم) wearing a silver cross around his neck. The Messenger of Allah (صلى الله عليه و سلم) recited this Ayah;

"They have taken their scholars and monks as lords besides Allah , and [also] the Messiah, the son of Mary. And they were not commanded except to worship one God; there is no deity except Him. Exalted is He above whatever they associate with Him." - 9:31

But `Adi bin Hatim was confused and said they (jews & christians) did not worship them.

But the prophet (صلى الله عليه و سلم) in his tafsir of this ayah said :

"Yes they did. They (rabbis and monks) made haram the halal for them (Christians and Jews) and allowed the haram, and they obeyed them. This is how they worshiped them."

>>37292

Political leaders do not always alter the religion of Islam. The priests and monks referred to in the Ayah changed their religions, making the halal haram and the haram halal. You don’t see many political leaders saying that they are going to change the Quran, or make Muslims renounce the belief that interest is sinful. Except for the case of certain religious leaders in Muslim majority counties during the British colonial era and others…they made great efforts to make the haram halal. Secular countries generally adhere to the principle of separation of church and state. If you follow some of the ‘modernist’ Muslim Imams, you are doing exactly what is warned about in the ayah (if you have the capability to know better.)

You do see Muslims so ignorant in their religion that they think that the interest you get from your bank account is A-OK and that they can get spiritual power from graves…and yet you choose to proclaim that voting is major shirk and if you vote you instantly become a kafir.

>>37305

>You don’t see many political leaders saying that they are going to change the Quran

What do you mean? It already happens in tunisia where they chose secular inheritance laws over quranic inheritance laws, and in UAE where they allow hindu mushriks to marry muslimahs. Many other examples of these shirki laws that go against Allah (swt) exist, you just need to do more research. But here I am discussing the principle of democracy, that is the right to legislate belongs to mankind alone not Allah (swt), that is definitively shirk, participating in it and agreeing with it does make you a mushrik. Why wouldn't it. If you took time to read the booklets or watch the videos I posted you would get a clearer picture inshaAllah.

>>37309

In that ballot there was not a single vote for anyone that would make any type of laws. You can write in f*cking Mickey Mouse, as long as you complete the ballot it counts. Then you can vote on single issues, many of which involve taxes and other issues. If you vote on single issues, making sure that every choice you make would be the better outcome for Muslims, how could it possibly be f*cking shirk? Do you pay taxes? Is paying taxes shirk? Is taking government benefits shirk? Is taking my money to pay someone else who doesn’t work shirk? I don’t know about you, but I would prefer to not pay higher taxes…and you know what? They give you the option to choose if you want to pay more taxes and other things. It is called VOTING.

>>37310

no sorry brother you do not have to be angry but this is not shirk as it is single issue voting, my arguments are not against voting, but democracy, there is a difference, as long as you don't elect a president or senator, mayor.. etc any candidate you are still muslim inshaAllah, less taxes is better, but it is better to avoid this completely and move to a muslim country

Indian muslims should renounce their citizenship and move to Bangladesh or Pakistan.

>>37307

Muslim can vote, that Jehowa's witnesses have forbid to vote and make blood transaction.

Many crymea tatars(also that lt of neo-baptists, charismats and Jehowa's witnesses from crymea tatars, but most of them are sunni muslims or bektashi sufi) and other ukranian muslims vote for Biletsky and Nazi-Socialist Corps in Ukraine, cfuse nazies(german and ukranian) and muslims always was allies.

>>37335

>move to Bangladesh

Pooriest and dirtist country in the world. No, thanks.

>or Pakistan

Nationalism, shia or talib teracts, fashist-ruled party. No, thanks.

>Pakistan.

>>37335

pakistan is better than india, but still not fully islamic sadly, indian muslims should go help their kashmiri brothers against hindu mushriks

>>37338

if you vote your a kafir, look at them they are nazis even definite kuffar , these muslim have been lost due to generations of secularism, sadly

>>37361

I don’t care about “fully islamic” anymore, bro. Not in a world where /pol/ytheist incel autist losers are gunning us down now like dogs in our mosques. Bangladesh and Pakistan are vastly superior to cow worshipping India and frankly I am embarrassed by indian muslims. They obviously need a new partition and while we are at it Sikhs should take southern Punjab as Khalestan. ☻ India.

>>37427

>tfw only one wife

>tfw no dank halal SEA food

>tfw live in GayCrosscuck country

>>38932

Im not even clicking that but if you Daeshis stop attacking random civilians and stop fighting Sunnis then idc, do your thing. If you try to destroy sunni governments then I will destroy you, if you fight Iran and its proxies I will pray for you.

>>38940

That was in 2011, so I wonder to what degree it can be attributed to MbS. Either way, before opening the vid I thought it would be about the niki minaj thing which would be more understandable, but the women you showed are all covered and the dancing quite tame.

>>38944

Sure it was, javed.

>>38946

Well he can't be all bad if he's making iranians seethe so much. Stop with your trigger happy khariji/rafidhi attitude and wait a little.

>>38949

You don't have to. You just have to not have animosity towards Saudi Arabia as a Muslim country in the face of rafidha. Even if MbS turns out to be a faajir then he might be one beneficial to Muslims never the less.

>>38949

>>38949

MBS allows concerts and lets women drive. Khameini hangs and shoots “vahappis” who don’t curse Abu Bakr and Omar. The fact you even hint at such a false equivalence is deeply troubling and shows you have given priority to political desires over real concern for the Muslims.

>>38988

Saudi is making the best of a bad situation brother. Without Saudi the khaleej would already be controlled by the Safawi-Zionist alliance. Saudi is forced to operate between the secret US Iran alliance and the open US Israel alliance and since 9/11 this has been excruciating for all Sunnis involved. Things are very bad, horrible, but they could be MUCH worse. The new Qarmatians (rafidi-leftist alliance) are much more evil than the average sunni dictator or king who is perhaps greedy and shortsighted but is not energized by the idea of destroying Islam.

Alright this is getting ridiculous. Anyone else bringing up ISIS at all gets permabanned.

>>39482

No one may punish using fire other than the Lord of the Fire.

>>39483

Wouldn't that apply to bombs too tho? I thought that hadith would only apply to literally burning people alive.

>>39484

Generally, bombs kill with shrapnel. Nuclear weapons kill with fire.

>>39482

>Israel has a large muslim population

>there are muslim children in israeli households

>It would ruin Palestine and the Holy Land

>It's literally haram

>>39482

I don't think you know the effects of such weapons.

>>39488

normal bombs cause fire as well

>>39483

Punishing=/=Fighting

>>39497

>It would ruin Palestine and the Holy Land

Palestine would eventually be inhabitable and you could just avoid Jerusalem.

>>39504

What about the extremist Sufis that worship graves and call upon their saints? That is what I am worried about. One of these Sufis will get all hopped up on wine and start telling children about the time Abdul-Qadir Gilani rescued a little girl by throwing his shoe up into the air and it hitting her attacker hundreds of miles away. Then all the kids will think they can go out at night into dangerous places because Abdul-Qadir Gilani will be there watching over them with his shoe throwing powers.

>>39522

>not believing in the holy shoe of protection

Bro …

>>39522

>denying karaamaat

t. mu'tazili

>>39522

sunnë vohaby detected

>>39537

That isn’t going to happen. Even your picture cannot conform to the natural laws of Allah SWT with its flags blowing in all different directions.

>>39538

Keep telling that to yourself, Wahhabi Takfiri. The flag of Imam Ali AS and the Ahlul Bayt will fly over the Kaabah

>>39538

What the f*ck did you just f*cking say about ṣhiism, you wahhabi terrorist? I'll have you know I have made pilgrimage to every holy imam grave reaching a spiritual level where I no longer need to pray or mud bathe, and I call upon the 14 infallibles daily. I am trained in fire walking and I'm the top rafidi in all of the hawzat. You are nothing to me but just another sunnë mukhalif. I will debate you with precision the likes of which has never been seen before on this Earth, mark my fcking words. You think you can get away with saying that sh*t over the Internet? Think again, f*cker. As we speak I am doing ziyarat to imam Al-Mahdi in his secret cave and he is using his knowledge of the unseen to pinpoint your location so you better prepare for the storm, nasiby. The storm that enlightens the pathetic little thing you call your Aqidah. You're fcking mysticised, kid. My 12 imams can be anywhere, anytime, and I can call upon Hussein (AS) in over seven hundred ways, and that's just with my bare hands. Not only am I extensively trained in my marja of wilayat al faqih, but I have access to all of the powers of vali abu lu'lu' and I will use it to its full extent to call upon Hussein to spiritually heal your heart form karbala, you little sht. If only you could have known what holy asceticism your little "clever" comment was about to bring down upon you, maybe you would have held your fcking tongue. But you couldn't, you didn't, and now you're paying the price, you damn khariji. I will slap my blood all over you and you will drown in hepititis. You'll be listening to husseiniyats and smoking hashish by the end of the day, kiddo.

>>39540

Do Shiites actually believe this? I find it hard to believe that this is not completely satirical.

>>39543

Clearly you haven't noticed that 90% of this thread is satirical. Stop taking things so seriously.

>>39543

Yes. The iranian wars and expansionism in syria, iraq, yemen etc. is done under the name of taking revenge on Sunnis for what happened to al-Hussein(alayhi salam). According to shia rhetoric Saudi Arabia represent Banu Umayyah and such nonsense.

>>39543

Everyday is Ashura. Every city is Karbala. Your women for us, Bakri. Free Zakzaky.

>>39549

Chainsaw bin Salman is the new Yazid and yes the whole world knows Shia’at Ali are the good guys and they will support us agaijst nasibi terrorist. You are ahl al bida with your tarawih prayer, we are the sons of Abu Lulu and we coming for you now with help of Imam mahdi.

>>39555

This is unreasonable satire. The best satire has at least a small amount of truth to it.

>>39556

Imam Mahdi or his followers will go full hammertime at Karbala, if it doesn't happen before then.

>>39556

>implying khashoggi didn't deserve it

>>39556

>some ☻ jamal gets merked

normal day

>>39540

Indeed! Imom Hossain will now visit his father and have kehva with Allah in the kaabah. Allah won't even have to go to karbala anymore! Praise Ali!

>>39541

Underrated post

>>39579

And here we have the real reason for the shia hatred towards Abu Bakr, Omar and Arabs in general: the futuhaat and defeating the persian kafir empire.

>>39575

"And (as for) those of your women who have despaired of menstruation, if you have a doubt, their prescribed time shall be three months, and of those too who have not had their courses; […]"

[65:4]

i guess ilhan omar recently said some stuff against the death penalty (that it has no place in the world) and people have begun labeling this a statement of kufr.

i noticed some of the politically/socially active musilmahs you see the news often don't seem to care much about being alone with non-mahrams either, such as linda sarsour who recently said that the qur'an describes jesus as copper skinned with wooly hair.

wish that the muslimahs we saw in the news more didn't confuse the bible with the qur'an, or promote kuffar ideologies. but it seems like compromising on islamic values is a must if you want any social footing in these avenues

The "Muslim" brotherhood and their allies are hypocrites/munafiquun with multiple faces. To the Muslim world they portray themselves as traditionalist Muslims that are being targeted because they want even MORE sharia, whereas the Arab governments want to "modernize" and "secularize". But these same people will then turn around to the kafir english speaking world and say the exact opposite: namely that they're being targeted because they want even LESS sharia, and instead more western liberties like freedom of religion, democracy, women's rights, etc., in order to get kafir western states to put political pressure on Saudi Arabia. An example is the traitor salman al 'awdah who is championed as a martyr to both kuffar and Muslims, despite the opposite ideas, all by iran's media wing qatar. Or nimr al nimr, who in the west is portrayed as a martyr of democracy and religious freedom, whereas in reality he was a traitor that wanted to replace the saudi government with the persian wilayat al faqiih.

But none of these false faces represent their actual nature. The real reason the "Muslim" brotherhood is targeted is because they're an extension of iran's goal to spread their "islamic" revolution to the Arab world, and by "islamic" they mean the minority and extremely sectarian twelver shi'ism infused with persian nationalism.

>>39955

She is a kaffir, this is what happens when you don't reject taghut, in this case democracy.

>>39958

>Muhammad Morsi was deposed by the army because they were scared he would send troops to fight Assad and HezboLat

bruh murtad morsi sent his army to sinai to fight the farmers there and he allowed iran to use the suez lmao, no where would this pro iran cuck say he would fight hezbolhubal

>>39955

She's trying to come to power in a non muslim region.

“I disown every Muslim who settles among the mushrikeen.”

[Abu Daud]

>>39978

What else do you expect from the Yajuj wa Majuj?

>>39979

Democracy is shirk

>>39978

Brother we need to pressure the chinese in stopping oppressing them and encourage uyghurs to make hijrah to safer muslim lands. China is hard on the uyghurs because they are a risk to their belt and road initiative, like the silk road, central asia is vital for china's trade route.

>>39980

I expected nothing less from a country as vile as China, but that doesn't mean I'm any less angered by this.

>>39991

Yes, I agree. I'm doing what I can to let everyone know how reprehensible China is. The country is an enemy of our religion, so no Muslim is better off staying there than they are leaving. Our brothers and sisters are especially being demonized right now by Xi Jinping because it is the year of the pig.

>>40008

See >>39979

This hadith easily explains more than half of the problems experienced by muslims in our time. The world may be a global village but we'd rather take our sheep to the mountain top.

>>39991

>>40007

One of the best things we can do is to offer our Chinese brothers in Islam rooms in our mosque or in our homes and help them come to our countries legally. We can talk about it on the internet all day, but that doesn't really accomplish anything.

Does anyone here know Mandarin?

>>40010

The muslims in china being most persecuted have their own language. The mandarin speaking muslims are less of a target. Someone needs to knock these ChiComs down a peg, this is the result of a 20 year US foreign policy focus on killing brown muslim folks instead of containing russia and china.

>>40011

>Someone needs to knock these ChiComs down a peg,

See, that's just LARPing. What are you gonna do, make memes? Offering asylum to our brothers and sisters is what needs to happen.

>>40012

>Offering asylum to our brothers and sisters is what needs to happen.

China has severe restrictions on its internet. Even if the Chinese Muslims somehow had access to the internet, and even if you were able to somehow get a message through to them, and if they had enough money to get a passport, and if the government actually approved their passport, and if the government allowed them to travel outside of the country, and if they were able to get a visa for the country that you are offering the asylum in, and if they were somehow granted asylum by the US government (for instance, which Trump has placed severe restrictions on asylum seekers)

You expect the Chinese Muslims to leave the place where they were born and have lived all their lives to come live in a new country where they don’t even speak the language to live with complete strangers?

>>40012

Sweden already guaranteed asylum to all uighurs but it is very hard to leave China. I hope China is humbled, I dislike their atheistic insect society. Not trying to larp.

China wants to make sure that their belt and road initiative will be safe. They think that if they forcibly reeducate the Muslims to be subservient to the Chinese communist party instead of Allah, that the part of the transportation line that goes through that remote part of China will be safe. The things that they are doing might backfire horribly, especially if they are preventing people from performing the 5 daily prayers. Earlier they made many of the Christian churches in China remove their crosses and other symbols and replace them with a picture of the Chinese president.

>>40008

>"Thou wilt find the most vehement of mankind in hostility to those who believe (to be) the Jews and the idolaters. And thou wilt find the nearest of them in affection to those who believe (to be) those who say: Lo! We are Christians. That is because there are among them priests and monks, and because they are not proud." 5:82

>>40015

If a certain islamic group takeover tajikistan it would be an excellent pressure point on their project to get them to cooperate with muslims instead of oppressing them.

>>40013

Sounds like you're making excuses. Also, no Muslim is a stranger. All Muslims are my family.

>>40020

>just about the worst place for any Muslim is North America (besides Canada) and South America (besides Guyana).

Interesting, what other places are good in south america? What do you think of trinidad?

>Maybe one day we Muslims can fight the communist chinese and help our bros and sisters return home

I can imagine the soviet / afghan scenario repeating itself

>>40020

I don't know why people think the US is so terrible for Muslims. It's one of the few nations in the Western world where you can be Muslim and not get arrested for it and your status as a Muslim is protected. You can't be fired, kicked out of school, turned down for loans, or have rights taken away because you are Muslim.

>>40022

You can’t legally experience any of those things yet it happens all the time. I don’t think you understand the kind of lowkey bigotry and soft discrimination that is widespread, especially what working class muslims have to deal with.

This is just one example from my community and I face this garbage myself at my job.

https://www.mycentraljersey.com/story/news/education/2019/05/17/lawsuit-fired-palestinian-teacher-against-hunterdon-central-tossed/3705930002/

>>40025

I pray one day there will be a muslim country in the americas ameen.

>>40026

Allahumma Ameen.

the Islamic State is remaining! With the permission of Allah

>>40090

ISIS is a joke and needs to be wiped off the face of the earth for the good of all mankind.

>>40090

Lol. Supposed "Islamic State" doesnt controls any land on World. So they are can not be a state or caliphate. They are just a organization trying to become a state.

This is not qafir UN's opinion, its 1400yo islamic opinion for requirements for a real state and caliphate.

>2] Encourage people to declare allegiance to Abu Bakr Al-Baghdadi (lol dead).

>(lol dead)

how dare that kafir board owner sneer at a brothers death

>>40091

>>40094

>not valid arguments

I'd rather listen to scholars from the Islamic State than some kuffar larping as muslims.

Not once has the Islamic State fought for the sake of land, they fight only for the sake of Allah. Victory is dealt in turns.

You jeer and you jest about them but they are they only group working to establish a worldwide caliphate. What other group except that kafir sect ahmidiyyah. Al nusra, Al-Zawahiri's al qaeda, taliban's only reason for not joining is because they are greedy for power.

Osama bin Laden and Abdullah Yusuf Azzam(may Allah accept them) both fought to establish the khilifah.

What are you doing? Having peace talks with the kuffar? Making compremises upon your religion, voting? The shariah is the only law fit to rule the world.

With or without you, the ghurabaat will continue fighting to make Allah's word the highest.

O Allah destroy the murtadeen and the west

>>40109

>al-Baghdadi

>brother

Uh huh …

>>40110

>hiding behind TOR to endorse terrorists

Now that we're back on clearnet, I'm gonna laugh if BO turns off TOR posting.

>>40109

>sneer at a brothers death

I wouldn't sneer at a brother's death. I hate what Allah hates and Allah hates aggressors. Baghdadi and his followers are aggressors and deserve death.

>>40111

>turns off TOR posting

If people are using it to promote terrorism or to violate the laws of the United States, then I will turn it off as is my right.

>>37052

Who are you to go around calling people mushrik? And so vaguely? Do you know what you are doing, takfiri dog?

Youtube deletes videos on the regular. You should download videos and upload them as MP4 or WEBM.

>>41047

Are you perhaps a butthurt ikhwangee?

Do you know anything about the muslim brotherhood?

Why russia will become muslim.

>>37041

politics are immoral, we must surrender to God, this is a universal surrender which means we can no longer fight except in Jihad. At this point most people have surrendered, so it is no longer moral to use violence in Jihad as the surrender sweeps the world on its own

>>41326

The majority of the planet is kafir & they dominate the last time I checked.

>>41326

Is this the attempt to bring the "we win by doing nothing" garbage from /pnd/ here?

>>41328

Don't engage with it, brother, or soon it will start posting Islamic themed things like this: >>>/pnd/121509 as soon as they can wrap their heads around how to make a meme that we'll actually believe is Islamic.

>>41340

They're having a good time. I feel a bit happy for them.

>>37050

>1. Shaikh Muhammad bin Saalih al 'Uthaimeen (rahimahUllaah)

He said that it's wajib to vote by quoting Ar-Rum:1-4, but those ayahs don't explicitly state that it's wajib to vote.

He's arguing that it's wajib to vote because muslimins were supposed to rejoice over the victory of Romans (kuffaar) against Persians.

But no, those ayahs are not even saying it's wajib to rejoice over kuffaar, it just says that muslimins will rejoice over them (Allah predicting we will rejoice over them), not necessarily wajib.

>>41410

Ironically this verse is not even implying you should be happy or takes sides with kuffar who are closer to you, in this case christians. The ikhwanis love to use this as a justification to support kuffar. Actually the reason why Allah said believers would be happy is the victory of the romans happened at the same time as the victory of the muslims over the mushrikeen at badr. And so the two battles mirrored each-other and kept the big powers occupied.

>Ibn 'Abbas, Abu Said Khudri, Sufyan Thauri;, Suddi and others have stated that the Romans' victory against the Iranians and the Muslims' victory at Badr against the polytheists took place almost at the same time. The Muslims, therefore, were doubly pleased. The same is supported by the histories of Byzantium and Iran. 624 A.D. is the year in which the Battle of Badr was fought and the same is the year in which the Byzantine Emperor destroyed the birth-place of Zoroaster and ravaged the principal fire-temple of Iran.

For example when Trump (roman) killed iran's general (Shi'a) do we support america? Of course not, we are just happy they fight each-other.

>>41445