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63e020 No.41051 [Last50 Posts]

Imam Malik said that if a person resides in an Islamic land, an Islamic state, and Islamic Khilafah, however in this particular land, many corruptions are found and he is unable to change it, and he isa able to travel to another (Islamic) land which condemns corruption, then this is obligatory upon him!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KWFTYtBmulU

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63e020 No.41052

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cd9799 No.41057

>>41051

Imam Malik lived in a time where it was easy to just move around. Now, it's not so easy. Just "being Muslim" isn't enough to change your nation like it was in Malik's day.

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63e020 No.41060

>>41057

The basic principle is the same i.e. not living in a country filled with mushriks and where haram is practiced regularly. And it's not that hard to emigrate to a Muslim country, compared to how much effort and time Muslims spend to get into kaafir countries.

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9d8eaa No.41061

>>41060

>it's not that hard to emigrate to a Muslim country

Oh, yes it is. Long gone are the days when you can just pick up and move.

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63e020 No.41062

>>41061

If poor people living in the third world can put in enough effort and money into getting into West, they can definitely do that in the opposite direction too.

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4cc0f5 No.41065

If he rejects taghut and disavows what they do in his heart he is not a kaffir but sinner. But if he agrees with the kaffirs and lives like them then he is of them.

And yes it is preferred to live in muslim majority land even if the government is not islamic. Problem is it's very hard and unsafe in many arab muslim lands. And in non arab muslim lands, they often don't know anything about islam and mix jahil practices.

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5bfff8 No.41068

>>41060

Most Muslim countries today are either undeveloped third world nations or corrupt places themselves. From what I know too, some Arab countries wouldn't ever welcome me as one of their own, I'd never be a citizen even if I gave bayah (allegiance to Islamic state) which I don't even know is legit these days, the only hope would be for my childrens, children both being born there.

>No Thank You

I think a better discussion would be how to create our Muslim communities in our western countries, or even how we can navigate the governments to aid our communities. I know that we should reject democracy, but the fact is a lot of our Muslim communities that exist in the west wouldn't be as big and flourishing as they are if Muslims in the past didn't try to play the system.

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4cc0f5 No.41070

>>41068

You cant create a muslim community, you will still be limited by their laws. This is extremely unfair since in islam we allow them to rule by their law if they pay tax, but we pay tax and we have to rule by their law.

> try to play the system

the system plays you and turns you into a kafir

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63e020 No.41074

>>41068

The governments in those countries are not stupid. They will only tolerate Islam up to a certain level and not more e.g. niqab ban. Do you really think it would be that easy to "play the system"?

>Most Muslim countries today are either undeveloped third world nations

"Restrain thyself along with those who cry unto their Lord at morn and evening, seeking His Countenance; and let not thine eyes overlook them, desiring the pomp of the life of the world; and obey not him whose heart We have made heedless of Our remembrance, who followeth his own lust and whose case hath been abandoned." [18:28]

One of the reasons these Muslims countries are underdeveloped are that every skilled person applies for immigration as soon as he can to get out and go to some kaafir country, instead of staying back and trying to improve his own causing the so called "brain drain." People like these take up all the resources of their country up to their 20's, including education, transport, food and manpower, but don't return these back, instead going to the West to get rich quick.

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a09f55 No.41075

Honestly just make dua for the west to crumble it's a parasitic evil thing that propagates corruption there's almost nothing redeeming about it at all.

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41cacc No.41076

>>41074

>staying back and trying to improve his own

Fortunately, the US is my own, so I reckon I'll stay.

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4cc0f5 No.41081

>>41076

>the US is my own

This is false, once you become muslim, if your people are kaffir, you have to make hijrah to a valid islamic land.

You could argue there's no dar al islam to make hijrah to.

But let's say there is one, you can't use that excuse.

Allah (سبحانه وتعالىٰ) says:

Al-Anfal (The Spoils of War) 8:72

إِنَّ الَّذِينَ آمَنُواْ وَهَاجَرُواْ وَجَاهَدُواْ بِأَمْوَالِهِمْ وَأَنفُسِهِمْ فِي سَبِيلِ اللّهِ وَالَّذِينَ آوَواْ وَّنَصَرُواْ أُوْلَـئِكَ بَعْضُهُمْ أَوْلِيَاء بَعْضٍ وَالَّذِينَ آمَنُواْ وَلَمْ يُهَاجِرُواْ مَا لَكُم مِّن وَلاَيَتِهِم مِّن شَيْءٍ حَتَّى يُهَاجِرُواْ وَإِنِ اسْتَنصَرُوكُمْ فِي الدِّينِ فَعَلَيْكُمُ النَّصْرُ إِلاَّ عَلَى قَوْمٍ بَيْنَكُمْ وَبَيْنَهُم مِّيثَاقٌ وَاللّهُ بِمَا تَعْمَلُونَ بَصِيرٌ

Indeed, those who have believed and emigrated and fought with their wealth and lives in the cause of Allah and those who gave shelter and aided - they are allies of one another. But those who believed and did not emigrate - for you there is no guardianship of them until they emigrate. And if they seek help of you for the religion, then you must help, except against a people between yourselves and whom is a treaty. And Allah is Seeing of what you do.

>But those who believed and did not emigrate - for you there is no guardianship of them until they emigrate.

And the hadith

"I am not responsible for any Muslim who stays among polytheists. "

النَّبِيَّ صلى الله عليه وسلم فَأَمَرَ لَهُمْ بِنِصْفِ الْعَقْلِ وَقَالَ ‏"‏ أَنَا بَرِيءٌ مِنْ كُلِّ مُسْلِمٍ يُقِيمُ بَيْنَ أَظْهُرِ الْمُشْرِكِينَ ‏"

Sunan Abi Dawud 2645

Basically, if you convert and don't do hijrah, muslims have nothing to do with you. Meaning it's actually obligatory to do hijrah. But it's not kufr.

Don't forget your loyalty lies with islam and muslims, not the USA or your race.

لَا تَجِدُ قَوْمًا يُؤْمِنُونَ بِاللَّهِ وَالْيَوْمِ الْآخِرِ يُوَادُّونَ مَنْ حَادَّ اللَّهَ وَرَسُولَهُ وَلَوْ كَانُوا آبَاءهُمْ أَوْ أَبْنَاءهُمْ أَوْ إِخْوَانَهُمْ أَوْ عَشِيرَتَهُمْ أُوْلَئِكَ كَتَبَ فِي قُلُوبِهِمُ الْإِيمَانَ وَأَيَّدَهُم بِرُوحٍ مِّنْهُ وَيُدْخِلُهُمْ جَنَّاتٍ تَجْرِي مِن تَحْتِهَا الْأَنْهَارُ خَالِدِينَ فِيهَا رَضِيَ اللَّهُ عَنْهُمْ وَرَضُوا عَنْهُ أُوْلَئِكَ حِزْبُ اللَّهِ أَلَا إِنَّ حِزْبَ اللَّهِ هُمُ الْمُفْلِحُونَ

You will not find a people who believe in Allah and the Last Day having affection for those who oppose Allah and His Messenger, even if they were their fathers or their sons or their brothers or their kindred. Those - He has decreed within their hearts faith and supported them with spirit from Him. And We will admit them to gardens beneath which rivers flow, wherein they abide eternally. Allah is pleased with them, and they are pleased with Him - those are the party of Allah. Unquestionably, the party of Allah - they are the successful. 58:22

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41cacc No.41082

>>41081

>This is false, once you become muslim

My family has been here since before the Revolution, thus Allah has obviously decreed there be Muslims in America. American will eventually be a Muslim nation, so fleeing now would be a cowardly move.

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63e020 No.41084

>>41082

>Islamic takeover of Europe and America by reversions meme

I know Muslims like to boast about reversions and that a lot of people do revert, but actually thinking that kaafir nations are all going to convert without jihad is hilarious.

Muslims have been in India for a thousand years, yet still there are so many Hindus, and the Muslims that did concert were only after military invasions.

It's pretty ridiculous that the U.S constitution is going to change to Sharia just because of youtube videos and doing dawah in the streets.

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41cacc No.41085

>>41084

Allah does things in His own time. It is not for us to question, merely obey.

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5bfff8 No.41088

>>41084

>>41084

> and the Muslims that did concert were only after military invasions.

This is false and a western european interpretation of history through their lens. More recent analysis of historical evidence by historians show that the majority of people who converted to Islam did so because of sociopolitical reasons, such as the people around them influencing them and Islamic law giving more rights to them compared to their own laws.

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4cc0f5 No.41091

>>41082

>My family has been here since before the Revolution

Race is irrelevant. Once you become muslim, your loyalty lies with Islam and it's people and you are subject to shariah rulings.

>Allah has obviously decreed there be Muslims in America

So? Allah swt has also allowed satan to rebel, does not mean he agrees with him. Muslims in america are still subject to shariah law, which states you can't live in a kaffir majority ruled land.

>American will eventually be a Muslim nation

How can you know that? You don't know the future.

Maybe it will, or maybe muslims will get massacred.

Only Allah swt knows, we act based on what we know, not predictions of the future.

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4cc0f5 No.41092

>>41085

Your assuming you know what Allah swt will do tho, that's very arrogant of you.

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4cc0f5 No.41093

>>41088

>did so because of sociopolitical reasons, such as the people around them influencing them and Islamic law giving more rights to them compared to their own laws

right after being conquered …

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20ae2b No.41095

>>41091

>your loyalty lies with Islam and it's people

… unless they're White Americans, eh?

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63e020 No.41096

>>41095

Why are you trying to make this a race or anationalism thing when it's simply about living in dar ul kufr or dar ul islam?

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20ae2b No.41097

>>41096

The only thing that is a race issue here are the people who say, "Muslims gtfo!" when it comes to "western" nations. No nation was ever a Muslim nation until it was made one, either by conquest or conversion. The Prophet (pbuh) was not born in dar ul Islam. He was surrounded on all sides by degenerates and pagans and unbelievers. I forget what he did about it … did he run away from it or …. ?

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4cc0f5 No.41098

>>41097

Why do you ignore the evidence?

Once the islamic community has been established, such as in medina, it was incumbent upon all muslims to migrate to it and be around muslims.

The argument is if there is an islamic state, muslims are obliged to migrate to it. If there is none, it is better to live in majority muslim countries.

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63e020 No.41100

>>41097

Muslims can't practice their religion freely in the west, so they are obliged to migrate. And let's be honest almost all Western countries oppress Muslims.

You can't call the azaan, can't call homosexuals degenerates, niqab is banned, Muslims are treated badly in general and you can't wish death and destruction upon the kuffar in public.

"Lo! as for those whom the angels take (in death) while they wrong themselves, (the angels) will ask: In what were ye engaged? They will say: We were oppressed in the land. (The angels) will say: Was not Allah's earth spacious that ye could have migrated therein? As for such, their habitation will be hell, an evil journey's end;" [4:97]

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20ae2b No.41101

>>41100

>You can't call the azaan

We do it every day.

>can't call homosexuals degenerates

First Amendment, yes we can.

>niqab is banned

First Amendment, no it isn't.

>Muslims are treated badly in general

Nobody ever promised you a rose garden

>you can't wish death and destruction upon the kuffar in public

First Amendment, yes you can.

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5bfff8 No.41104

>>41100

>and you can't wish death and destruction upon the kuffar in public.

Bruh… Its not something you should be wishing

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20ae2b No.41105

>>41100

> [4:97]

Also, that's about people who abandon Islam in order to "fit in" and not be oppressed. A Muslim can live surrounded by degeneracy and still be a good Muslim. Just look at Lot.

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37c9e3 No.41107

File: 39313879e6fbcc2⋯.png (30.49 KB,660x480,11:8,Anti_Israel.png)

THE WORST PART ABOUT THIS ALL:

You might as well carve your name into the bullets that get shot at your brothers overseas because your tax money paid for them. Homeless in the US is legitimately better than paying taxes.

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4cc0f5 No.41110

>>41104

>Bruh… Its not something you should be wishing

وَيُرِيدُ اللّهُ أَن يُحِقَّ الحَقَّ بِكَلِمَاتِهِ وَيَقْطَعَ دَابِرَ الْكَافِرِينَ

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4cc0f5 No.41111

>>41101

But you pay tax to the biggest war machine in human history that lubricates with Muslim blood.

Have you no shame?

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4cc0f5 No.41112

>>41105

It's specifically about people joining the army of the kufar, and generally about muslims imitating the kafireen and living with them while being pleased of their way of life and system.

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63e020 No.41113

>>41105

Well, tafsir ibn Kathir says something else: http://www.alim.org/library/quran/AlQuran-tafsir/TIK/4/97

According to it, if you are killed by the Muslims in jihad while you are among the kuffar, then you will go to hell.

So for example if a Muslim group wants to spread the word of Allah and decides to wage jihad on an European country, the Muslims already living there who'll be killed will probably go to hell, since they'll be conscripted in the army.

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4cc0f5 No.41114

>>41113

If these muslims join the kaffir army, they die as kufar, but if they are living in kaffir land, and are killed by muslims by accident or in collateral damage, then it's half the blood money to his family.

>collateral case

The Messenger of Allah (ﷺ) sent an expedition to Khath'am. Some people sought protection by having recourse to prostration, and were hastily killed. When the Prophet (ﷺ) heard that, he ordered half the blood-wit to be paid for them, saying: I am not responsible for any Muslim who stays among polytheists. They asked: Why, Messenger of Allah? He said: Their fires should not be visible to one another.

>joining the army case

Narrated Abu Al-Aswad:

An army unit was being recruited from the people of Medina and my name was written among them. Then I met `Ikrima, and when I informed him about it, he discouraged me very strongly and said, "Ibn `Abbas told me that there were some Muslims who were with the pagans to increase their number against Allah's Messenger (ﷺ) (and the Muslim army) so arrows (from the Muslim army) would hit one of them and kill him or a Muslim would strike him (with his sword) and kill him. So Allah revealed:– 'Verily! As for those whom the angels take (in death) while they are wronging themselves (by staying among the disbelievers).' (4.97)

That's why scholars allowed muslim conquerors to catapult christian towns even if some muslims live in it.

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6bc059 No.41115

>>41111

>>41112

>Stay in the US and live a Muslim life and risk "maybe" getting killed as collateral damage in an invasion

>Spend life savings moving my family to a wahabbist craphole where I'll be beheaded on day one for mispronouncing a word during prayer or letting my wife show an ankle near a window

Yeah, no thanks. You're not going to radicalize me or anyone else on this board no matter how much you copypaste Arabic(Sinhi lol) and proclaim yourself to be the only arbiter and interpreter of the Sunnah.

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00d61a No.41116

>>41115

>defending America and throwing genuine Muslim-majority countries under the bus with /pol/ stereotypes

False flag or liberal?

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63e020 No.41117

Yasir Qadhi, from only the first generation of "Islamic" Western scholars, who is the most famous scholar in America and arguably the entire West, has made shaking hands with women, masturbating and democracy halal and also says that we should love homosexuals.

Really makes you think. I wonder what the coming generation of these Western "Islamic" scholars will be like.

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4cc0f5 No.41118

>>41115

>Arabic(Sinhi lol)

What's sinhi, do you mean sindhi, pls dont tell me your jahil enough to confuse the two.

>and proclaim yourself to be the only arbiter and interpreter

Where did I claim that? You seem insecure buddy.

So far I have not seen any counter argument or evidence from scriptures or even a scholars opinion that supports you. It is clear you are a complete jahil in deen and in logic as well.

Also, im not telling you to go to saudi, and even if you did, its not as bad as the media shows, plus, the important thing is that we live in a muslim majority.

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4cc0f5 No.41120

>>41117

To be fair the hanbalis & zahiris allow masturbation. Good point tho

>I wonder what the coming generation of these Western "Islamic" scholars will be like.

He jumped the muslim brotherhood train, they will do anything and stoop at any level just to get a whiff of power. But in that process they will lose their iman. They will have to do taqiyya and pretend to support LGBT, until their children unironically support LGBT. Their future is kufr, which is what we should expect when you need to assimilate.

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caeef4 No.41122

>>41117

Yasir Qadhi also promotes 'Wahed Invest". It is a supposed halal investment firm that actually states that investing 5% of their money into haram investments is halal. That is probably the stupidest thing I have ever heard coming from a Western Islamic organization. It is like eating a sandwich with 5% pork and saying that it is halal.

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6bc059 No.41123

>>41118

You don't know the difference between haram and makruh and you call others jahil? HA! Here's a fine example:

>>41117

>shaking hands with women

Is permissible. The Prophet(pbuh) avoided it, but just because he avoided something doesn't make it haram. He also didn't eat lizard meat, but it IS permissible to eat lizard meat. Declaring haram that which Allah has made halal is an absolute sin.

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caeef4 No.41124

>>41123

Do you have any proofs from the hadith that shaking hands with non-mahram women is permissible? There are clear proofs from the hadith that eating lizard meat is permissible, because on several occasions the Prophet PBUH was asked about it after the Sahaba noticed him not eating it. In all of those instances he clearly stated that it is allowed.

The Messenger of Allah PBUH said: “If one of you were to be struck in the head with an iron needle, it would be better for him than if he were to touch a woman he is not allowed to.” [Saheeh al-Jaami 5045]

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4cc0f5 No.41127

>>41123

>You don't know the difference between haram and makruh

Proof?

>The Prophet(pbuh) avoided it, but just because he avoided something doesn't make it haram

That's literally what sunnah is, what he says but also what he consents to or what he avoids. You complete jahil.

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4cc0f5 No.41128

>>41124

>The Messenger of Allah PBUH said: “If one of you were to be struck in the head with an iron needle, it would be better for him than if he were to touch a woman he is not allowed to.” [Saheeh al-Jaami 5045]

You literally blew him out of the water with simple hadith everyone knows, this guy is a complete ignoramus with a huge ego. What we call the dunning kruger syndrome

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4cc0f5 No.41129

>>41122

lol i remember that cringefest

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5bfff8 No.41143

>>41110

>quoting without context to justify your arguments

This is very dangerous brother, read the whole surah, read the tafsir, don't follow ISIS, follow what Allah (SWT) has said and the teachings of our Prophet (SAW).

As Muslims we should only be defending ourselves when we're attacked, we should not be wishing death upon non believers without just cause. We should be inviting non Muslims to the righteous path of Islam.

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339c53 No.41146

>>41143

Seeing as we're literally getting attacked in almost every Muslim majority country physically, culturally, financially or spiritually you should be in agreement with him.

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4df258 No.41151

>>41146

>we

Nobody has ever attacked me for my religion. Are you suggesting I hop on a plane and wage ceaseless jihad every time someone gets made fun of for their hijab anywhere in the world?

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5bfff8 No.41153

>>41146

>we're literally getting attacked

>physically

A few bad non Muslim apples try to hurt Muslims, so we have to kill all non Muslims? What is this logic brother? In the Quran it clearly makes the distinction between combatant non Muslims that try to kill us where we can defend ourselves and kill them, and non combatant non Muslims.

>culturally, financially or spiritually

If thats true then wage cultural/financial/spiritual jihad, how does that necessitate killing innocent people?

This is what ISIS does, skewing the words of Allah, the vast majority of scholars disagree with these types of interpretations that justify the killings of innocent lives. Look up the 2014 open letter to Baghdadi signed by many of the prominent Islamic scholars of today who condemned and refuted the justifications given by ISIS. Are you guys claiming to know better than the scholars and ulama of today and history?

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4cc0f5 No.41159

>>41151

So your brothers suffering does not matter to you? When china arrests a muslim it is like if they arrest all muslims.

>>41153

nobody is saying kill innocents

but actually it is allowed to defend yourself in islam

i dont agree with attacking innocents

but the goal of islam is to eliminate shirk

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63e020 No.41162

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>>41153

'Letter to Baghdadi' cosigned by many of our top 'scholars' including Hamza Yusuf and Yasir Qadhi. kek

“It’s Forbidden to declare a caliphate with the consensus from all Muslims”

Did these buffoons read anything about the previous great jurists have said about this “consensus” and why it’s not always binding. Ibn Hazm was clear on that.

All points after top 6 is hilariously stupid. Even a child who went to the madrasah and knows the basic tenets of the religion would be able to refute them on. Specially the last point is unbelievably foolish as there’s a clear cut Hadith commanding to make Hijrah until last day

Dkm kek that whole list gotta go, tell me how people can say they follow those scholars with a straight face. I feel like the only question about this statement is whether it takes the intellectual ability of a 4 year old or a 6 year old to demolish it.

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4df258 No.41165

>>41159

>When china arrests a muslim it is like if they arrest all muslims.

And what if they arrested that muslim for murder? Sorry, brother, but that muslim deserves prison. There's a reason we have courts and don't just go off saber rattling and gnashing our teeth.

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63e020 No.41166

>>41165

But they're not arresting them for murder, they're arresting and killing them for being Muslim.

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4df258 No.41167

>>41166

So why haven't you booked a flight to China to wage jihad?

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4cc0f5 No.41168

>>41165

I mean those who are being oppressed based on their religion.

>>41167

subhanAllah, why do you deflect, answer the question please

at least this brother I assume condemns it and prays for our brothers and hates chinese regime in his heart, that is the minimum of all muslims, unlike you who just dont care and sit on your couch as long as you can pray and eat

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63e020 No.41177

>>41168

I think it's pretty hard for Muslims who have grown up in the West to cope with the fact that the system and government they lived and believed in for their entire lives is actually haraam.

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4cc0f5 No.41186

>>41177

It's a big cope, I understand, I used to be like them, its very hard to cope living in this time if you know the reality, if you are asleep its easy to go along with the masses

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0eef7c No.41213

>>41177

Akhi, I believe it's mostly the amount of change and loss they'd have to experience to properly practice. Basically they desire the life of this world as it seems, and don't truly believe.

2:208

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6655b7 No.41215

>>41162

WWWWWWHHHAAAAAAATTTTT

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caeef4 No.41227

>>41162

Some of those points are incredibly stupid. However, they didn’t make the point that randomly killing civilian non-combatants thousands of miles away from any battlefield not only serves no military purpose, but it doesn’t even come close to having a historical precedent in Islamic history. Just because the people writing this open letter against ISIS are somewhat full of sh*t doesn’t make ISIS in the right.

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63e020 No.41229

>>41227

If a Muslim group implements sharia, no matter how much I disagree with them, I would be very afraid to criticize them publicly.

Because my words would become part of a propaganda war to remove Allah's law from the earth and replace it with human made laws, which is kufr.

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63e020 No.41230

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From the justice of Islam is that the severity of a crime is not lessened by the number of people who commit it. If a group conspires to do an evil, all bear equal responsibility, is in the example of the story of Umar ibn Khattab (radhi Allahu anhu), when he carried out the hadd on a group of men in Yemen who had conspired to commit a murder.

This has interesting implications when it comes to warfare. Modern, industrial war machines are only enabled by elaborate bureaucracies and taxation bases. Also, travel has now become easier than ever, which lessens the threshold for which tax payers can claim that they have no choice but to pay taxes to a state that is at war with Muslims.

Furthermore, even in a state like America, it is very possible to avoid paying taxes, but it requires living a very simple life (less than $11,000 USD per year). This basically means being homeless or sharing a very small house or apartment with many people. But you can still live and pray.

But what this means is that even those Muslims who are not able to leave the society which is at war with Muslims are still not obligated to support the war effort financially. It will not threaten their life or their religion to do so, although it would mean being looked down upon by the society.

But this social pressure is part of how the entire establishment is upheld. And I don't think having people look down on you or make fun of you qualifies as compulsion in sharia.

Tax rates today are MUCH higher than in the past, when you consider economic activities that were once non-monetized are now monetized. Food preparation, medical care, child care, textiles production, and many other activities which were once contained with in the household are now taxed, in addition to income tax, making the taxation rate much higher than was once the case. State bureaucracies are also much more deeply involved in ideological warfare on the level of aqeeda through education systems and humanitarian programs.

So I don't really understand how anyone can make the excuse today that contributing to the war efforts of NATO members is not willful.

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4cc0f5 No.41232

>>41227

Yeah but it shows the argument

>but muh ulama said X

is batil, since majority isn't evidence, neither are palace scholars and dogs of dictators.

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4cc0f5 No.41233

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>>41230

Won't the state forces shoot / arrest those who don't pay taxes? The IRS is ruthless. What about muslims who leech welfare? And those who pay taxes are murtadin?

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caeef4 No.41244

>>41230

Living in the west, one can not just up and leave and be able to easily immigrate to a Muslim majority country. There are restrictions from doing it, and it would be deliberately putting ones family into poverty. It’s not like there is anywhere on earth that is practicing Sharia Law, even Saudi Arabia. Everywhere is darl ul kufr. If you go around publicly in the United States or Europe saying that you want Sharia Law implemented immediately, nothing will happen to you. If you do the same thing in certain Muslim majority countries you will be imprisoned for a very long time.

I personally have elderly parents in the US who are still Christians (may Allah guide them). Taking care of one’s parents when they reach old age is strongly emphasized in Islam. There are even hadith that talk about a man that wanted to go for jihad and the Prophet PBUH told him to take care of his elderly mother instead.

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5bfff8 No.41249

>>41244

>Sharia Law

Its just "Sharia" brother, sharia already means "Islamic Law", you're basically saying "Islamic Law Law", lol

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