/islam/ - 8kun Masjid

>due to my lack of knowledge about Islam

You got that right.

Sharia literally means law. It is the law sent to us by God. Therefor Sharia is 'God's Law'.

God ordered us to enjoin what is good and forbid the evil.

They who turn (to Allah), who serve (Him), who praise (Him), who fast, who bow down, who prostrate themselves, who enjoin what is good and forbid what is evil, and who keep the limits of Allah; and give good news to the believers. [Quran 9:112]

That means preventing people from having the freedom to do bad things and giving them the means to do more good things.

>I consider a test in which you're not constantly told what to do to be more fitting for his plan than a test in which you're constantly led by the hand of a government

If you think that living in the west is some kind of supreme trial, you are mistaken. Imagine living somewhere like Yemen, where you are struggling in a bombed out war zone watching your family starve to death. Using your logic, wouldn't that be a preferable society because you would be tried harder?

>>41537

To set forth a simile to make what

>>41539

has said about preventing bad to allow good a bit more expansive;

The west has two sides of the road, speed limits, and traffic laws to give drivers more freedom by keeping things safe. They have the FDA and DEA and the SEC to protect consumers and give them more freedom.

Humans are incapable of forbearing past note to immediate dangers, but Allah is. Sexual immorality, gambling, shirk, and all that which is outlawed by Shariah are dangering to society just like a speeding car except in a more long term way.

Allahu 'alim.

>>41537

>We then come to the "problem" of Sharia law, in which are the laws of the Qur'an as they are interpreted by scholars.

So these aren't just 'wise elders' that make assumptions based on their opinions, Islamic academic studies are extensive intricate fields that have spanned centuries, I'd say that they arguably are more detailed and based on rationale than any other religious studies. If we just look at the sciences of Hadith (teachings of the Prophet (PBUH)) are really substantial, in order to prove a teaching is authentic they had to identify a chain of narration, who passed down the teaching to who, and within that chain who is trust worthy, so they had to create research and create biographies for everyone in the chain of narration. These works that the scholars of the past did are still held in high regard by general academia today.

So when we talk about interpretation by scholars its still done by evidence and rationale, the major laws have unanimous consensus and no debate, but the minor ones that are especially dependent on time periods we don't deny there can be mistakes. Such is how there was a time in history when coffee was fairly new, it was forbidden, this was since they didn't know about the specific effects it had on a persons mind, and they assumed it did have a level of intoxication, but with time and research they realized was ok to consume.

>I personally believe that Western society is more fitting to test a person, and closer to God's ideal than a society governed by Sharia law because it allows a person more freedom, something that God himself has given us.

Sharia is more so to protect the community rather than police the individual, contrary to the west. In sharia in order for you to be punished, there are strict requirements for evidence that are needed to be convicted, such as for adultery there needs to be 4 witnesses that see the act of penetration, which is incredibly rare to happen, unless the act is being done in a public setting. And so in a private setting if its done, its between you and God, if its in public setting, then it becomes a problem because you're causing trouble within the community and even may be promoting these acts, so you may be punished.

>Freedom of the West

This is more so an illusion, they too have an ideology and they're pushing it on the rest of the world by force, you have the illusion of Freedom.

Like a small example, in many parts of the west by law you need to wear your seatbelt in the car, but why? It doesn't harm anyone else but yourself in an accident, yet the government forces you to wear the seatbelt, is this freedom?

Another bigger example, most of the west doesn't permit the practice of polygamy (specifically Islamic polygyny), but why? They're literally saying its completely fine for you to sleep around with different people, to use them and abuse them, to even have different kids about of wed lock, but if you want to take care of more than one woman, pledge yourself to them, if you want to have responsibility for them, to provide for them, to have children with them that you love and care for them too, according to them no this is gone too far, illegal.

Its not just the law either, but you see its pretty apparent how the law promotes certain ideologies, sure there may be "free speech", but certain laws have made certain ideals forbidden, legally you may have free speech, but if you were to even show distaste for the acts of LGBT, not a call for violence but just disapprove of their ways, you will be shunned from society.

And like I said they're spreading this by force, they did with colonialism, by "liberating" countries, they ruined all these nations, turned much of their populations against each other and now they have the audacity to turn and say 'oh look at those barbaric people with their barbaric ways, adopt democracy and liberalism and save yourselves'. But all those poor african and third world countries who have adopted liberalism, are they doing any better? Compare that to how ever society that accepted Islam in history has flourished. So does the west really stand for freedom?

I really recommend watching this video by MuslimSkeptic https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sST1pfb1c3I

>But no, by your Lord, they will not [truly] believe until they make you, [O Muhammad], judge concerning that over which they dispute among themselves and then find within themselves no discomfort from what you have judged and submit in [full, willing] submission. 4:65

>It is not for a believing man or a believing woman, when Allah and His Messenger have decided a matter, that they should [thereafter] have any choice about their affair. And whoever disobeys Allah and His Messenger has certainly strayed into clear error. 33:36

Allah's SWT laws are as clear as day in the quran and they are perfect.

When he tells us to collect zakat, establish salat, enforce good forbid evil, ban alcohol, usury, gambling, punish the adulterer, the thief, the corrupter of the land, we do it, because Allah (swt) knows best and we recognize we are slaves with temporary free will to obey his command.

Actually there is no freedom of choice under shariah law, anyone who breaks it is punished, whether he is jew, christian or muslim.

Human being are slaves, there is no freedom of speech, there is no freedom of association in Islam.

Under shariah law we will not allow you to insult islam, or speak ill or be filthy.

This is a man made invention that we were conditioned in so we believe that's how it should be.

When you enter Islam, you enter it fully.

Either you submit your forehead on the floor in this life willingly, or you get dragged on your forehead into hell forcefully in the hereafter.

There will always be insincere hypocrites, but under the shade of shariah, they will fear to show their kufr, so they will hide it and not spread it.

The difference is in the west those hypocrites are then allowed to spread their evil freely.

>>41543

>The difference is in the west those hypocrites are then allowed to spread their evil freely.

This.

The hypocrites and the 'modernization' of Islam is the greatest threat to Islam. If allowed to continue, there will be nothing of the religion left. I think I remember a hadith saying that the first thing to go will be the code of laws and the last thing to go will be the prayer. We are already seeing

The Messenger of Allah PBUH said: “Among my ummah there will be people who will regard as permissible adultery, silk, alcohol and musical instruments.” [Bukhari 5590]

>>41544

“The bonds of Islam will be undone one by one. Each time one bond is undone, the people will move to the next one (and adhere to that). The first bond to be undone will be ruling (al-hukm) and the last one will be prayer (al-salaah).”

Hukm is the caliphate which was the first loss in the islamic dark age which fits with the hadith on the prophetic methodology caliphate emerging in the end times.