/islam/ - 8kun Masjid

>>41083

Its not, I agree with the other brother, its different to the democratic definition of election, with Caliphs the decision is made by a group of experts on the matter of Sharia, not the population with no knowledge on the topic like with democracy

>>41102

>>41080

Who selects/elects these councils and scholars?

>>41103

It can be the current caliph himself, like in the case of Abu Bakr (ra) selecting Umar (ra), or by conquest like the abbasids. These scholars would have to be experts in their field and warriors with jihad experience, they must have knowledge, can't have bad character, be liars, done any major sin in the past. And if the ummah is scattered, it is enough for a few muslims to pledge to a scholar and it is compulsory on the rest of the ummah, to preserve unity. In the end the scholars & the caliph are held accountable to shariah, if they disobey it they face the consequences equally as a peasant. Honest scholars are few and not much known, but they exist.

So it's the complete opposite to liberal democracy, since the muslims cannot change or add in shariah law.

>>41083

>muh Wahhabis

Salafis live in your head rent free. Is it really so bothersome to advocate a return to the true foundations of Islam and to follow the Sunnah?

>>41126

It's a concept that some people can't grasp. I know a lot of people who came to Islam through Sufi teachings and figured Islam was more a spiritual awakening and less of a physical journey. While I realize that there is no wrong way to come to Islam, the people who show up at the mosque with the "hippie watered down" version in their heads are often shocked by how it really works and leave immediately. And, no, that's not a slam against Sufism or the Sufi scholars and teachers, but people in the west don't seem to realize that you can't just be Sufi - that it's not a branch of Islam - and when you try to explain it to them, they can't wrap their heads around it and return to their familiar Christian churches.

>>40809

Yes. This board has daily activity.

>>40809

Wassalam, yes. This board is fairly active.

Hullo

>>41022

hallo

There are sometimes days of zero activity, then a sudden burst of posts will happen. It's not a steady stream of activity, but adult Muslims tend to have jobs and families and other obligations keeping us from constantly sitting on the internet. I doubt that any serious Islam related board would have constant activity unless there are a lot of users.

Depends on your intentions, it seems you want to see Islam prevail, which is good. But know that hardships does not even begin to describe it, most won't even accept Imam Mahdi, they will call him terrorist khariji for conquering the middle east. Then those with him, 1/3 will run away in the malhama, and they won't be forgiven. Then after those fitnas, the biggest fitna dajjal, where nobody can be safe of his iman. Then he will siege the muslims and shrink their control. Until only a few survivors are left with Al Mahdi, then Isa (PBUH) comes. These few, maybe hundreds, will get to see him.

>Also any reliable hadith on the apocalypse is appreciated I want to learn.

Yes there are many. But they aren't in story format. If you put them together you get this.

>3 successive princes in arabia fight for power none will win

>chaos ensues

>Muhammad ibn Abdullah, Mahdi, before he knows who he is, will try to find refuge in mecca

>there people recognize him and force him to accept their pledge and be their leader

>Allah (swt) rectifies him overnight and gives him knowledge

>Expands his caliphate in the hejaz and all of arabia

>makes a non aggression treaty with the romans and fights common enemy

>Conquers Iran

>Joins up with the khurasan army and they pledge allegiance to him

>roman treaty is broken

>war is declared in dabiq between them and Mahdi invades anatolia (byzantine rome area) with the goal of taking Constantinople

>malhama happens, 1/3 muslims die, 1/3 runs away, 1/3 survives the war

>muslims win, they take constantinople without bloodshed only using takbeer

>while they share the war spoils, they hear dajjal has appeared

>dajjal comes from isfahan iran, many persian jews follow him and he is based in jerusalem (modern day israel)

>>41025

>Is wishing to see the apocalypse haraam?

Not in and of itself, no; but I'm not so sure you really want that. I mean, there are a lot of people in the world today who want to see it end, but very few think about what it means. They sit in a bubble of sorts, thinking "Well, *I* will survive, of course!" The reality, though, is that it won't be super happy fun time where you can sit on your computer and watch from the comfort of the internet while eating chicken tendies and wrapped in a weighted snuggie.

>>41030

Excellent summation.

>>41030

I really want to die with imam mahdi, jihad is never clear cut and scholars always differ. It'll be so fulfilling to raise my sword for and take commands from a ruler clear cut guided and Muslim.

>>41087

>jihad is never clear cut

"‏ لاَ تَزَالُ طَائِفَةٌ مِنْ أُمَّتِي يُقَاتِلُونَ عَلَى الْحَقِّ ظَاهِرِينَ عَلَى مَنْ نَاوَأَهُمْ حَتَّى يُقَاتِلَ آخِرُهُمُ الْمَسِيحَ الدَّجَّالَ ‏"‏

Narrated Imran ibn Husayn:

The Prophet (ﷺ) said: A group of my ummah will continue to fight for the truth and manifest (on truth) over their opponents till the last of them fights with the Antichrist.

Sunan Abi Dawud 2484

اَ تَزَالُ طَائِفَةٌ مِنْ أُمَّتِي عَلَى الْحَقِّ ظَاهِرِينَ لاَ يَضُرُّهُمْ مَنْ يَخْذُلُهُمْ حَتَّى يَأْتِيَ أَمْرُ اللَّهِ ‏"

Thawban narrated that the Messenger of Allah(s.a.w) said:

"I only fear for my Ummah from the misguiding A'immah." He said that the Messenger of Allah(s.a.w) said: "There will never cease to be a group from my Ummah manifest upon the truth, they will not be harmed by those who forsake them until Allah's Decree comes."

Jami` at-Tirmidhi 2229

It was narrated that Salamah bin Nufail Al-Kindi said:

"I was sitting with the Messenger of Allah when a man said: 'O Messenger of Allah! The people have lost interest in horses and put down their weapons, and they say there is no Jihad, and that war has ended.' The Messenger of Allah turned to face him and said: 'They are lying, now the fighting is to come. There will always be a group among my Ummah who will fight for the truth, for whom Allah will cause some people to deviate, and grant them provision from them, until the Hour begins and until the promise of Allah comes. Goodness is tied to the forelocks of horses until the Day of Resurrection. It has been revealed to me that I am going to die and will not stay long, and you will follow me group after group, striking one another's necks. And the place of safety for the believers is Ash-Sham.'"

"‏ كَذَبُوا الآنَ الآنَ جَاءَ الْقِتَالُ وَلاَ يَزَالُ مِنْ أPost too long. Click here to view the full text.

Almost always when it comes to these things it becomes a question of when to end.

Do we tan the hide for our specific breed goat hide kufi the exact way the bedouins did 1300 years ago and hire a bedioun trained to stitch the kufi together the exact way or we just cover our head?

I believe most benefit in the sunnah is in wearing humbling non-flashy clothing that covers your skin, particularly your thighs, and it becomes wasteful to continue to chase such things.

Allahu 'alim, I'm no scholar.

As long as it covers your awrah, is loose enough, comfortable and clean, then it's allowed. The cloth should not drag on the ground but be above ankles. Knees to belly button should be hidden for men.

>>40899

I didn't, I was talking about modern yoga, meaning the physical exercise, not the Hindu spiritual practice

>>40949

I get your intention brother, but this comparison implies Islam can learn something about yoga.

In fact hindus should learn from muslims.

It's possible that yoga is a bastardized version of salat, which indians forgot.

>>40910

All of those are shoot offs and adaptations to a previously existing religion except wicca which is just satanism.

>>40965

Well if every religion is founded in truth, then Satanism is founded in truth … according to >>40906

>>40968

I mean I don't agree with him but wouldn't satanism be based on the truth that satan is real?

>>37699

Former slaves of Russian Empire(russians, ukranians, belorussians, volga-finnish nations) did October revolution and Russian Civil war against russian nobleity(other russians, tatars, russian-germans). But why black americans don't blame for slavery bantu, what selled their ancestors to New World?

>>37730

Many African Americans are disconnected from their roots

>>37749

Sadly many black brothers have muslim names like khilafa or abdullah but they forgot their roots of muslim slave. They should be more humble and come back to islam, not nation of islam crap or hip hop.

>>37372

The sad thing is that those pepes are not palestinian, and the palestinians are still living in horrible conditions.

>>37679

>In shariah slaves are prisoners of war

Including long distance slaver raids upon populations that don't even know who assaults them. Is this somehow above other cultures' acquisition of slaves?

>The non-muslims torture their prisoners

Is removal of genitals - testicles, penis and all - preferable to "torture" in "other cultures", whatever that means? You think PoVs didn't get worked outside of Islam? To begin with a prisoner can be compelled to work on account of being a prisoner serving his time, as in being condemned for something specific. That is encompassed within most cultures' idea of imprisonment/punishment.

>>37677

>abolishment of slavery after getting rich off it and then when no longer needing it replacing it with labour in china

>instead of taking war captives they just murder them all in bombings

Is this brazen lying or legitimate display of your level of knowledge?

>>40927

Do we just read the Quraan blindly without questioning the morality or reasoning behind each verse and carry on with our day?

Doesn't sound fair tbh.

>>40938

We do not question God. He commands, we obey. That's it.

>>40938

We can question but I don't think anyone that truly seek the answer and believe in Allah will go away from the folds of Islam.

Like what >>40939 said, He commands, we obey. There are usually context behind verses so that we can reason on how to implement them correctly in our time but that's it.

>>40926

Heres some ways to navigate these problems

>Strengthen your Iman (faith) first

There is going to be stuff in Islam that is not going to be compatible with modern western liberalism, as Muslims we should know that what Islam tells us is right and true, not modern western liberals, we should not look at it with a western lens.

Mohammed Hijab and Hamza Tzortzis are two who I think argue these topics really well, since they are more learned on philosophy and history than a lot of scholars, so a lot of their own arguments come from philosophical logic and rationality, idk what this boards opinion of them is though, and not to knock other scholars, its just that the way traditional scholars make arguments, most non religious people would just see as 'religious jargon', and dismiss them.

So both these guys lay good foundations by trying to determine where morality lies in ideologies first, what determines morality, and is it objective. When we look at western liberalism we see its based on the principle that 'everyone should have the freedom to do what they want so long as they're not hurting anybody', Im not well read on it myself but Hijab says that this thought comes from Thomas Hobbes who's often cited as the father of modern liberalism. Ultimately this principle is flawed and limited in view, just because we can't see any direct effect of an action, doesn't mean its foolproof, many times we cannot see the greater impact on society especially through time, and what if theres harm to oneself, how much autonomy is given there? But most importantly there is no objective morality there, how do we know according to liberalism that this is right, we can't, and we see that in history too, things that once were accepted are eventually not accepted anymore, slavery in the US was once widely accepted, women couldn't vote, no gay rights, even just a decade ago transgenderism was still seen as a mental disorder, according to liberalism at some point these laws were good and right (im not saying they are or not according to Islam, just pointing out the hypocrisy with liberalism). So essentially morality is decided by public opinion or dPost too long. Click here to view the full text.

https://8kun.top/islam/res/40926.html#q40955

Makes a perfect sense with a proofs through the roofs. I bet there is a perfect sense in every verse?

I envy muslims, they are so lucky, they are not persecuted like they persecute. West is stupid and inconsistent, I can agree with that.

PS: That changing in morality is due to Christian influence.

>>40958

Well, good for her. Stuck to her principles and got paid for it. Still, though, shaking hands is just silly and really has no function in the modern world.

>>40958

>>40953

lmao yall mfers larpin

No it's not

>>40964

What's not?

>>40908

No, you do not have the right to go kill them.

>>40901

It's not just for medina, we have other examples of both offensive & defensive jihad in the quran.

Defensive jihad is to defend your life, family, wealth, home, honor.

Offensive jihad is when you have the ability to conquer and is with the goal of extinguishing idolatry wherever it is found.

>>40908

Yes satanists would fall into that, and those who promote homosexuality, and other degeneracy.

But It's not wise to kill them in a country where you can get arrested.

If they were in an islamic land, of course they would not last long.

>>40896

To add to what everyone else has said, people often say Islam was spread by the sword, Mohammed Hijab explains it well in this video (https://youtu.be/2DoGwF9DX-g?t=966) (@16:07).

Its more complicated than that, basically, yes the Islamic empire was expanded with their military, because they had to, that was the nature of empires, if you don't expand your empire, then you will be swallowed whole by another expanding empire, it was always the case. If Islam didn't expand their empire, it would've been taken over.

But no, non Muslims, by and large, were not forced to covert (obviously there were probably a minority that were, those who forced it upon people were going against what Islamic law says) forced conversions are considered rare in Islamic history. Early historians attributed forced conversions to Islam due to western lens put on to it, where they tried to draw influence from other events in 'western history'. (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Forced_conversion#Islam)

In reality a lot of them would convert to Islam because of faith, but also due to sociopolitical reasons since people are more likely to adopt the culture around them, and also many opted to use Islamic law and courts because of rights that were provided that their own communities/cultures did not provide, such as rights to women like inheritance, or rights for slaves.

>>40957

Basically the Islamic empire did spread by the sword, but Islam itself, did not. In many places, muslims were the minority & ruling it for centuries. Like spain & egypt.

>>40877

I forgot to post the link

https://issuu.com/tbmmadana/docs/islamofobi_en

>>>40879

Apart from Pacman, the other games are pretty blatant.

>>40879

watch the videos

>>40881

Not really. It's just looking for devils in the dishwater. It's like conservative evangelical christians hearing satanic messages when they play a record backwards. It's stupid and we're above this kind of behavior.

>>40882

No.

>>40873

Inshallah your deen will improve this Ramadan!

>>40873

>>40874

Not OP, I hope the same as well. I am thinking of reading one juz daily for this month as an effort to get back up in reading quran.

>>40828

>his palate is sweet

He (saw) loved dates

>>40833

Where did you get that info from? /pol/? Some random reddit user in /r/exmoose or /r/atheism?

>learning about your faith from people that hates your beliefs

It's like going to a trump supporter to learn about multiculturalism or going to a leftist and to learn about border control or pro life or going to an engineer to learn about medicine.

>religion is based on violence and hate

oh, because the prophet called upon muslims to defend themselves from people that are hell bent into killing them, suddenly he's a violent psychopath? Bloody hell you sound like a redditor.

>ayesha or something.

please brother see the islamic sources and websites and research more, strengthen your faith. it's like >>40842 said

Satan comes to you through men (surah 114) and is tempting you whenever you read almost anything written by disbelievers online.

The way you're looking at and measuring Islam uses the ruler and looking glass of the disbelievers aka literally the satan.

A truly peaceful religion needs methods to keep the peace.

Aisha was never raped and was never abused, she loved the prophet (pbuh) and he loved her.

At the time of the prophet (pbuh) it was commonplace from Asia all the way to Europe to marry children off to adults as soon as they can have children, the greatest Christian kings and Chinese emperors had child brides, and anything that singled out Muhammad (saw) is a flagrant attack on Islam. It's also worth mentioning that only very recently has such marriages become culturally unacceptable.

Concern troll.

Also, BO, this image is a christian caligraphy, it contains shirk.

Pls remove it inshaAllah.