99e9bc No.40980
Should we advertise this board to other places? Im pretty sure theres a lot of people that don't know 8ch came back up a while a go.
But at the same time it might bring in a different crowd of people, changing the tone of this place, that a lot of us may not like.
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47d574 No.40981
>>40980
If you want to bring people, bring people. Nobody's stopping you from advertising. As long as they follow the board rules, they're welcome.
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ee3197 No.40996
I agree with advertising. Plus, its hard to even look up 8chan on (google) now so the only stuff they can find is articles on Le EBIC Hacker Terrorist Chan Strikes Again. @Abu.anon on instagram is a person who advertises the /islam/ board, but it hasn't been extremely sucessful.
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95586c No.40998
>>40996
Well, 8chan doesn't exist anymore, so it's pointless to search for it. 8kun.top and 9chan.tw are the only two official /islam/ boards run by the original 8chan owner.
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95586c No.41002
>>40998
>run by the original 8chan owner
That is to say run by the original /islam/ BO, not the site owner. 9chan is not owned by Jim Watkins.
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99e9bc No.41020
>>40998
they don't even show up when googling, you have to use duckduckgo
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dbccee No.41024
I wish I had advertised this site or r/islamicsub before it got banned
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d35c10 No.41026
>>41024
>r/islamicsub
They know about us. People from there keep getting banned for coming here and screaming about how Shi'a should be put to death.
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563910 No.41028
>>41024
r/islamicsub was based
this site is pretty niche & degenerate
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3a7f49 No.41029
>>41028
You have that backwards. r/islamicsub was niche. It only allowed one specific kind of Muslim and all others were banned. Also, it was on reddit, the single most degenerate site on the entire internet. This board is inclusive of all Muslims, so it's not "niche".
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563910 No.41031
>>41029
I said "this site" not "board".
reddit is way less degenerate than this website thats why the "chans" have a stigma
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99e9bc No.41034
>>41028
>>41031
I agree with this brother >>41029, r/islamicsub was catered to a niche Islamic viewpoint, arguably an extremist view, where its members would rather see the death of those who opposed their views, rather than changing their hearts and minds. Though I also have to agree that there was still some good discussions there that were allowed to happen, unlike on the other muslim subs. But ultimately I'd have to say Reddit is far more degenerate, it promotes a singular liberal point of view, where whoever opposes is censored, and the nature of how its platform works discourages open discussion, encourages censorship. The subreddit r/AgainstHateSubreddit which got r/IslamicSub banned off the site, polices subs around reddit, and tries to get subs banned that oppose their leftist ideals. The way imageboards work, discourage intermingling between boards, at least relative to reddit, and other than some ideolgies and maybe snuff vids, there isn't anything on this site that you can't already see on reddit.
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563910 No.41035
>>41034
reddit you have a choice which sub you see
on this alt right website, there is pornography on the front page
>where its members would rather see the death of those who opposed
yeah that never happened
don't slander muslims
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99e9bc No.41036
>>41035
>reddit: front page full of western liberal clickbait propoganda
>this sites homepage: just an index of the different boards
and yes it did happen, some brothers saying death to homosexuals and that murtads should be executed, it wasn't the majority opinion of the sub, but it did attract those kinds of people. And even I admit reddit is really biased in how they choose to handle subs, r/IslamicSub was a small sub with a seemingly minority extremist following, so they had no issue banning them.
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3a7f49 No.41037
>>41035
>going to the front page
Who does that?
>don't slander muslims
Nobody's doing that. r/islamicsub was single minded and allowed extremist views.
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3a7f49 No.41038
>>41036
We had a brief thread about it here: >>40706
Someone pointed out the Google cache system and it works. r/islamicsub had a LOT of radical "death to everyone who isn't me" LARPers.
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ab02f0 No.41039
>>41038
>>41037
Do not spread slander against our brothers, anons. I was a user of /r/islamicsub and can attest that it was not this bad. They were much better off than the moderation here who have outright stated that they have no issues selling brothers out to the kuffar law-enforcement and refusing to call out clear instances of shirk (democracy, etc).
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204ef1 No.41040
>>41039
>mad about the BO reporting criminal activity
>mad about the BO not stating that voting is shirk
>believing that voting is shirk
>wants to freely commit cirmes
Mm hmm …
>I was a user of /r/islamicsub
It shows.
>Do not spread slander against our brothers
I am not your brother, criminal, and I will not bow to your "caliph" al-Baghdadi. Go be a criminal radical extremist somewhere else. Your kind is not welcome here.
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8e79ef No.41041
>>41039
>wants this board shut down by allowing daesh to freely post
No. Piss off.
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99e9bc No.41042
>>41039
>>41038
I agree with you brothers that it wasn't that bad, there were a lot of good brothers there that were really passionate, but it also attracted a few bad apples who were preaching "death to" so and so.
Whatever your opinion of it is, whether they were LARPing, the fact is that those comments were there, the moderation on the sub was loose enough to let those slip, whether you agree with it or not, if Reddit admins and site owners see this stuff they won't hesitate to bring down the hammer, their ideals are too left leaning and their views too PC, there is no fair trial with them, they've banned subs for lesser controversies.
All the popular muslim subs, r/Islam, r/MuslimLounge, r/MuslimMarriage, r/Izlam, are strict with their moderation both when it comes to extremist views/call to violence, and also about views that go against Islam, thats why those groups are still alive on reddit and growing.
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b2b1f1 No.41043
>>41040
Democracy and tawhid are irreconcilable. Legislation is for Allah alone. To prohibit the halal and permit the haram is akin to shirk. You’re being led astray and I hope that you will see the truth on these matters in time.
Allah knows best.
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563910 No.41044
>>41036
>death to homosexuals and that murtads should be executed
You disagree with the rulings of Islam?
There is nothing wrong with stating rulings of shariah.
>>41037
You are, bring evidence they are extremist.
Or may Allah (swt) cut your tongue.
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563910 No.41045
>>41042
reddit is a filthy place that only allows filth to grow
those who thrive in reddit have submitted to liberalism
this boards advantage is the freedom, but the disadvantages are the glowies and that it isnt that popular
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563910 No.41046
>>41040
Wait what.. you actually report muslims?
>I am not your brother, criminal
Are you maknig takfeer of this guy?
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e9ccd8 No.41048
>>41040
Why are you making takfir on this anon? It’s ironic how people like to throw around terms like “takfiri” or “wahhabi” or “khawarij dogs” and yet you instantly appear to takfir a brother based on a post which didn’t even say that daesh should be allowed to post here or that he supports it, but rather questioned this idea of giving info to the FBI. We know that the BO has been visited by the FBI is this anon merely crazy? I think not.
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999eb6 No.41049
Stepping in to clarify a couple of things:
1] Yes, I WILL report criminal activity, even if it's a Muslim. If I see a Muslim robbing a bank or stealing a car, I will call the cops. If someone is posting on this board about committing a crime, the post will be reported if I feel it is a credible post.
2] People from r/islamicsub are welcome on this board, provided they follow the rules. r/islamicsub tends to be anti-Shi'a, though, and this board welcomes Shi'a. However, being sectarian does not nullify one's deen.
3] Exercising your right to vote in a democratic nation is not shirk. It is the only way to effect change and have one's voice heard. Standing idly by and letting your country oppress Islam when you had the chance to vote the person/policy down isn't shirk either, but it is you being as asshat. In a country like the US, legislation isn't made by Allah, it's made by people. Those people are voted into office. It is the duty of every Muslim American who cannot move to an Islamic nation to vote.
4] Anyone may advertise this board anywhere. I don't mind.
I think that's all.
Edited to clarify [3].
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99e9bc No.41069
>>41044
Whether you agree with executing them or not is not the point. If your goal is to keep a subreddit alive, you can't have people making statements like that, the reddit admins will be quick to ban your sub for it.
Aside from that, its an ignorant statement to make, "death to so and so", as Muslims we should not be taking pride in executing people.
>>41049
JazakAllah BO
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563910 No.41071
>>41049
>In a country like the US, legislation isn't made by Allah, it's made by people
which is exactly what you should avoid if you feared Allah
>>41069
I agree that reddit is not a stable place for islamic fundamentalism, it will be considered hate speech by the liberals
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e495a6 No.41072
>>41071
So, if the US proposes a law declaring Qur'an illegal and the execution of Muslims, I should just sit there and do nothing instead of, you know, going to vote down that law? Or should I wait until the law is passed and have to watch my brothers live in fear?
Evil triumphs when good men refuse to act.
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563910 No.41073
>>41072
>So, if the US proposes a law declaring Qur'an illegal and the execution of Muslims, I should just sit there
no you should arm yourself and defend yourself, as you are able
>Evil triumphs when good men refuse to act.
yes and you are not acting by the shariah, but by your whims
evil (kufr) has triumphed because muslims do not act
This argument is pretty weak, since the prophet PBUH said :
«فَلَنْ أَسْتَعِينَ بِمُشْرِكٍ» “I do not seek help from a polytheist (Mushrik)” (reported by Muslim from Aisha (ra)).
And from Aisha(ra) in Abu Dawud and Ibn Maja: «إِنَّا لا نَسْتَعِينُ بِمُشْرِكٍ» “We do not want any help from a polytheist (Mushrik)”
and his words: «لاَ نَسْتَعِينُ بِالْكُفَّارِ عَلَى الْمُشْرِكِينَ» “We do not seek help from the disbelievers against the polytheists” (reported by Ibn Abi Shayba from Sa’id b. Al- Mundhir)
Therefore, it is forbidden to seek the assistance of the disbelievers (Mushrikeen) as a state or to have alliance with them for the above-mentioned evidences.
«خرج رسول الله r حتى إذا خلَّف ثنيَّة الوداع إذا كتيبة قال: من هؤلاء؟ قالوا بني قينقاع وهو رهط عبد الله بن سلام قال: وأسلموا؟ قالوا: لا، بل هم على دينهم، قال: قولوا لهم فليرجعوا، فإنّا لا نستعين بالمشركين»
“The Messenger of Allah ﷺ went out until he passed Thaniyya al-Wada’ when there was a squadron. He said: ‘Who are these?’ They said: ‘Banu Qaynuqa and they are the company of Abdullah bin Salam.’ He said: ‘Have they embraced Islam?’ They said: ‘Rather they are on their deen.’ He said: ‘Tell them to return for we do not seek assistance from the polytheists.”
So basically, you can't rely on a kaffir to help you (i.e voting for him) against another kaffir. Pic related is more detailed in the exceptions when muslims are in power according to the 4 madhabs
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e495a6 No.41077
>>41073
Yeah, ok, but the Sunni say the Caliph is to be elected, while the Shi'a say the Caliph is to be an Imam chosen by Allah. I assume since you're against voting, you're Shi'a?
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563910 No.41080
>>41077
I am sunni, not rafidi.
And now, we sunnis do not believe the caliph is to be elected.
In fact, what we believe is that the shura council, which is composed of the best scholars with expertise, select the best from among them to rule.
It is not something applicable to secular liberal democracy.
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e495a6 No.41083
>>41080
Hmm … so you're desperately clinging to loopholes. I guess you must be the board's lone wahabbi that I've heard so much about. Wahabbists love loopholes and moving goalposts. Try not to behead anyone, eh?
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48041f No.41089
>>41042
A subreddit that i frequented is r/salafiyyah. It's not as popular as the rest but it is still on reddit.
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563910 No.41090
>>41083
Which loophole? Can you bring arguments and not ad-homs?
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99e9bc No.41102
>>41083
Its not, I agree with the other brother, its different to the democratic definition of election, with Caliphs the decision is made by a group of experts on the matter of Sharia, not the population with no knowledge on the topic like with democracy
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18fd90 No.41103
>>41102
>>41080
Who selects/elects these councils and scholars?
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563910 No.41108
>>41103
It can be the current caliph himself, like in the case of Abu Bakr (ra) selecting Umar (ra), or by conquest like the abbasids. These scholars would have to be experts in their field and warriors with jihad experience, they must have knowledge, can't have bad character, be liars, done any major sin in the past. And if the ummah is scattered, it is enough for a few muslims to pledge to a scholar and it is compulsory on the rest of the ummah, to preserve unity. In the end the scholars & the caliph are held accountable to shariah, if they disobey it they face the consequences equally as a peasant. Honest scholars are few and not much known, but they exist.
So it's the complete opposite to liberal democracy, since the muslims cannot change or add in shariah law.
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2566bc No.41126
>>41083
>muh Wahhabis
Salafis live in your head rent free. Is it really so bothersome to advocate a return to the true foundations of Islam and to follow the Sunnah?
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5f801a No.41198
>>41126
It's a concept that some people can't grasp. I know a lot of people who came to Islam through Sufi teachings and figured Islam was more a spiritual awakening and less of a physical journey. While I realize that there is no wrong way to come to Islam, the people who show up at the mosque with the "hippie watered down" version in their heads are often shocked by how it really works and leave immediately. And, no, that's not a slam against Sufism or the Sufi scholars and teachers, but people in the west don't seem to realize that you can't just be Sufi - that it's not a branch of Islam - and when you try to explain it to them, they can't wrap their heads around it and return to their familiar Christian churches.
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