/islam/ - 8kun Masjid

It's cancerous, but alhamdulillah people are slowly waking up.

>>38978

>there is no in between

Ok, bro.

>>38979

lol good troll, man

>>38978

Leave america ASAP akhi. This is not good for you. Anyone who stays in america will be a sinner, or accept their creeds of lgbt and democracy and become a kaffir, or their children will be kaffir, or if a race war comes, be genocided. This is the belly of the beast, this is not a good place to raise muslim children.

>>38983

You:

>run away! D: D: D:

Qur'an:

"And fight with them until there is no more persecution and religion should be only for Allah; but if they desist, then surely Allah sees what they do." [8:39]

Gee …

>>38984

I don't see you fighting larper… I see you supporting america … i see you post online about fighting .. but opposing muslims in every thread.

>>38986

You oppose anyone who isn't sucking al-Wahhab dick. Nobody here cares about your opinion.

>>38990

>vote comes up to outlaw Islam

<if I don't vote, the kufr win

<if I do vote, I am kufr

lol good troll, man

>>38983

Rural parts of the United States have less fitna than many cities in Islamic countries. Except for maybe Saudi Arabia, and how could someone find any good work there when they don’t speak Arabic. The purpose of Hijrah is to leave a place where it is hard to practice one’s religion and go to a place where it is easy to practice your religion. Despite some individual islamophobia in parts of the United States there is no institutionalized persecution of Muslims. It is easy for Muslims to practice their religion where I live, so why should I go to some where it is more difficult just because there are more Muslims there.

Try going around saying things calling for Sharia and calling democracy shirk in a Muslim majority country and you likely be arrested and thrown in prison. You are able to do that in the United States because of the freedom of speech.

>>38999

>completely missing the point

I'm guessing you dropped out of school around, what, 7th grade?

>>39002

English is an official language of Pakistan.

>>38995

>vote comes up to outlaw Islam

>if I don't vote, the kufr win

>if I do vote, I am kufr

>lol good troll, man

This is a strawman argument.

>You oppose anyone who isn't sucking al-Wahhab dick.

This is making a homosexual metaphor implying that Muhammad Ibn al-Wahhab was the source of anti-democratic beliefs when that is not the case. When you label any Muslim that disagrees with you a ‘wahabbi’ you are engaging a logical fallacy. Insults are not arguments. They do nothing to convince someone of your opinions or even present them in a reasonable manner, they only make the person making the insults look bad.

>>39004

Moving to a foreign country would create significant hardship and there is no reason to move when it is easy to practice Islam and there is little fitna in the place where the person already lives.

>>39002

>"DUDE MUSLIMS AND BROWN PEOPLE ARE BAD"

>*wins election*

I'm ever so grateful democracy allows me to have a president that represents me.

>>39002

scholars say even if you have less freedom, it is better to live around muslims than non muslims

as >>39004 said pakistan speak english, so does indonesia, malaysia, etc.. plenty of countries if you search imo

>>38995

ok and nobody cares about anyone's opinion when it comes to islam, all that matters is quran and sunnah, your the one following your VALI's fee fees and calling everyone who disagrees with sufi westernized islam a vahappi !!!

>>39005

If you save money and marry a local muslim girl you can have a secure hijra. The problem is the muslims with the most zeal to make hijra are usually young and as a result usually poor and sadly it is usually a very difficult process - more difficult than it has to be.

>>39014

If you can call everyone who disagrees with you kafr/Khawarij, I can call everyone who disagrees with me a Wahabbi. Don't be a hypocrite.

>>39011

All democracy does is allow the person with the most money and 'charisma' to get elected by persuading the biggest section of the non-partisan voters to come over to their side. Generally the worst kinds of people are attracted to positions of power. There is little difference between the political parties except for a couple social issues. Major issues like budgetary plans and foreign policy are usually not talked about and are the same regardless of party. You shouldn't be too concerned about who gets elected, the only thing that would be different is the rhetoric that is used.

>>39014

I live in a rural part of the United States where people don't lock their doors and are trustworthy. I have seen a total of 2 transgendered people in my life. One was at the Minneapolis airport and the other was in a town of about 6k people that is about 25 miles away from where I live. It was surprising to see, since things like that are very uncommon here. The closest strip club is over 200 miles away, I have never heard of a openly gay bar even remotely close, and I have never even seen a prostitute. These are just a few examples. You would have to see the area to know how little fitna there is here.

>>39016

I am already married.

>>39019

Regardless of what Sufis and others have said about him, Muhammad ibn Abd al-Wahhab never even called the Sufis and Shiites non-Muslims. There are many writings that falsely claim that the Wahabbis were an extremist sect that called anyone who didn't agree with them kufar. This is a blatant lie. The term 'wahabbi' was originally used by British colonials to refer to any group of Muslims they didn't like. They tried to make it a negative label to slander Muhammad ibn Abd al-Wahhab and turn people away from his teachings. Now most people use the term to refer to any kind of extremist Muslim group, no matter who they are or what they preach. All Wahhab did was tell people to return their practices to the Quran and Sunnah.

>>39030

Cool, well you're on an American website hosted in an American state and on a board owned by an American.

>>39019

>If you can call everyone who disagrees with you kafr/Khawarij

I don't, I think you're confusing me with another.

>>39022

>I live in a rural part of the United States

Where will your kids study for 10+ years of their life? You think they won't get influenced?

>>38978

Then ignore them. Look I'm not living in America but one thing's for sure, politics are the bane of everyone's existence..not just America. I've seen families grow apart just because one member has a different political belief. And really, doesn't Islam taught us about always think good of others, regardless if they are kafr or not? What's this I see with fellow brothers arguing among each other and just outright hatred of non-Muslims? Are we going to stoop to the level of the stereotypical redneck? Or are we gonna be better than this? I mean, the Prophet Muhammad SAW never once speak ill of the kafr who harmed Him..we can at least show that level of tolerance, right?

>>39037

Then it should be his job as a parent to guide them. A little parental guidance works wonders, ya know?

>>39033

I thought the servers were in the Philippines?

>>39034

I'm just sayin'. It's tough to avoid talk about America when you're in America.

>>39044

Nope. California. The owner lives/lived in the Philippines, but the servers are in California.

>>39043

There are no Sharia courts in the US, so there's that; and I'm not moving. Qur'an tells us to stay and fight and make where we live a better place, not run away like a scared little girl.

>>39046

Are you calling our beloved Prophet (peace be upon him) a little girl? He made hijra! There is nothing cowardly about leaving dar al-harb to take refuge in dar al-islam. Get over it and accept the fact that Islam is not a "turn the other cheek" religion, no matter how much you want it to be. Think twice before making such irresponsible statements.

>>39048

He fights other Muslims online everyday with his assortment of insults, homosexual references, misinterpretations of the Quran, and takfir.

>>39050

From Mecca to Medina is not the same as from the United States to Saudi Arabia. I will stay in the US and fight to make it better for Muslims while you encourage running away like a scared little girl to a place that is already convenient.

I am getting a huge chuckle out of all the board-wide (1)s showing up and arguing. Hopping IPs to create a false consensus doesn't fool anyone. When I see a post by someone who has literally never posted on the board before, I immediately know it's either a troll or it's someone desperately trying to validate their own opinion.

>>39055

I am not saying anyone should move to Saudi Arabia. I don't have favourable opinions towards the Saudi state. And those who make hijra to join the Islamic State, for instance, certainly aren't doing it for the sake of convenience.

>>39056

My ID changes automatically ever few hours. Nothing I can do about it.

>>39054

>yelling "STOP!" = jihad

How is that working out for you so far?'

>also the "jihad only means struggle" meme

I hope you realize that the term kufr literally just means 'to cover' and was originally an agricultural term. If this is how we're going to do Qur'anic exegesis, then apparently we should struggle not against disbelief but against the agricultural industry.

>>39059

The greatest jihad is to battle your own soul, to fight the evil within yourself.

I'm sorry you think jihad can only be guns blazing and heads being chopped off for photo-ops, but you're wrong. Go read Qur'an. Just stfu and go read it. Don't claim to have done so because I know you're lying. Go read it. Now.

>>39059

"The best Jihad is the word of Justice in front of the oppressive sultan." - cited by Ibn Nuhaas and narrated by Ibn Habbaan

>>39058

>ID changes automatically ever few hours

Phoneposting is haram.

>>39060

>The greatest jihad is to battle your own soul, to fight the evil within yourself.

That hadith is fabricated. Trying to nullify the outer form of the shari'a in favour of a supposed inner meaning is a Sufi/Batini heresy.

https://archive.org/details/100FabricatedHadith-IslamicEnglishBook.pdf

>>39061

Words alone aren't enough.

>It was narrated that ‘Amr bin ‘Abasah said: "I came to the Prophet (ﷺ) and said: 'O Messenger of Allah, which Jihad is best?' He said: '(That of a man) whose blood is shed and his horse is wounded.'"

https://sunnah.com/urn/1276430

>>39063

>Sufi/Batini heresy

<everything I don't like is Sufi/Khawarij/Rafidi/JIDF …

>horse is wounded

I don't have a horse. I guess I can never jihad. Gosh. How's your horse?

>>39064

It literally is a Sufi/Shi'i idea if you have the most basic understanding of these groups' beliefs. They despised the shari'a so they sought a way out of it through mystical interpretations, saying for instance that jihad was just a spiritual struggle, fasting was only abstaining from evil, the hajj was just disassociating from wrongdoers. These are the types of beliefs which the Sufis, the Druze, the Ismailis, the Nusayris, etc. unapologetically hold.

>I don't have a horse. I guess I can never jihad. Gosh. How's your horse?

>being this pedantic

inb4 you argue that because people don't fight with swords anymore, the mujahideen are not following the sunnah

>>39065

You're the one who brought up the Sunnah to prove that bloody conflict is the true jihad. Your lack of a horse means you can never jihad. So sad for you.

>>39068

The Sahaba RA used to wipe their butts with rocks. You aren't performing a true cleaning by using toilet paper, it isn't from the Sunnah.

>>39083

>>39084

>replied twice

>forgot to turn on VPN

Good job.

>>39085

>wipe their butts with rocks

No they didn't.

>>39086

You speak without knowledge a lot. Did you know that toilet paper didn't exist during the time of the Prophet PBUH? Crazy huh. People in the middle ages used to wipe their butts with rags and then wash them so they could be reused. But that practice would probably be considered unclean from an Islamic perspective.

That once he was in the company of the Prophet (ﷺ) carrying a water pot for his ablution and for cleaning his private parts. While he was following him carrying it (i.e. the pot), the Prophet (ﷺ) said, "Who is this?" He said, "I am Abu Huraira." The Prophet (ﷺ) said, "Bring me stones in order to clean my private parts, and do not bring any bones or animal dung."

https://sunnah.com/bukhari/63/86

>>39087

Oh … you're actually serious. You genuinely believe that … I'm just gonna shake my head and walk away from this one. You've bested me at the art of trolling. I tip my hat to you.

>>39089

What did the Sahaba RA use to wipe their butts? Please enlighten us with your knowledge, oh great scholar.

>>39069

>quotes dalil from scholars and sunnah

>"waaah stop telling me how to interpret qur'an!!!!"

>>39089

do you just disregard any hadith whose matn you don't like?

>>39091

Maybe he is a Quranist who thinks that the Sahaba RA had indoor plumbing and bidets. Whenever he gets proven wrong with evidence he pretends that it isn't real, makes a derisive remark, and shuts up. His posting style is so predictable it is almost like he is a bot. Watch him not respond to this post because I am not replying to him.

>>39041

90% of the influence on kids is their peers and life outside the home, because they spend most of their time outside around kaffirs and get immerses in their habits, except whom Allah shows mercy and saves from the dark ocean of kufr.

>>39040

Do not make lies on the prophet (SAW).

>>39046

>>39054

>>39055

>>39060

>The greatest jihad is to battle your own soul, to fight the evil within yourself.

stop larping, and stop using fake hadith, you have been warned its fabricated, using it again will win you a seat in the hellfire, that is the punishment for lairs upon the prophet (PBUH)

if you live like a ppl, imitate them, you will raise with them on the day of resurrection

>>39103

>Do not make lies on the prophet (SAW).

He said ‘the Prophet Muhammad SAW never once speak ill of the kafr who harmed Him’.

Can you provide a single piece of evidence that says that the Prophet PBUH insulted or slandered anyone, ever?

>>39106

Abu Huraira reported:

The Messenger of Allah (ﷺ) said: Let there be curse of Allah upon the Jews and the Christians for they have taken the graves of their apostles as places of worship.

‏ "‏ لَعَنَ اللَّهُ الْيَهُودَ وَالنَّصَارَى اتَّخَذُوا قُبُورَ أَنْبِيَائِهِمْ مَسَاجِدَ ‏"‏ ‏.‏

Reference : Sahih Muslim 530 b

>>39092

Nope, not a bot, sorry. Not a Qur'anist either.

>>39091

The beauty of hadith is that it not only can be, but is encouraged to be, questioned. What would our world be like if we had to accept every single hadith anyone ever put out there?

>>39110

He PBUH cursed some people, but I don’t think he ever insulted anyone. It is a matter of opinion.

>>39111

Explain why you denied that Sahih hadith that is in Sahih Bukhari and explain why you deny the historical and technological factors that the Sahaba were faced with. Why do you think it is acceptable choose to accept some hadith and deny others based on your own personal preference?

>>39089

>You've bested me at the art of trolling

Are you admitting that you are trolling? That would make sense considering your inconsistencies and illogical behavior. You never explain the reasons you continue to deny things after you are presented with evidence. You never even dispute the evidence, you just ignore it and pretend like you were never proven wrong in the first place.

>>39115

Well, think about it. If the greatest jihad involves having a horse (according to the words of the Prophet), but that can be interpreted to not necessarily mean having a horse (because modern times); then why does using a rock to wipe your ass have to be interpreted verbatim without allowing for modern times?

It will never cease to amaze me how LARPers can never handle someone disagreeing with them. After all, I must be a Quranist or a bot because - GOD FORBID - someone actually call you out on your retarded bullsh-t.

>>39116

This here. >>39086

>wipe their butts with rocks

No they didn't.

Then here >>39089

Oh … you're actually serious. You genuinely believe that … I'm just gonna shake my head and walk away from this one. You've bested me at the art of trolling. I tip my hat to you.

Why did you deny this hadith here >>39087

That once he was in the company of the Prophet (ﷺ) carrying a water pot for his ablution and for cleaning his private parts. While he was following him carrying it (i.e. the pot), the Prophet (ﷺ) said, "Who is this?" He said, "I am Abu Huraira." The Prophet (ﷺ) said, "Bring me stones in order to clean my private parts, and do not bring any bones or animal dung."

https://sunnah.com/bukhari/63/86

Stop trying to throw in the hadith about horses to explain your behavior, it doesn't. Answer why you denied this. The Prophet PBUH lived in the 6th century. What do you think people did for THOUSANDS OF YEARS before the invention of cloth and toilet paper?

>>39116

It is easy to confound you. All you have to do is mention some obscure fact that is vaguely related to what is being talked about and then wait for you say that it isn’t true. Then you just have to prove that the obscure fact was true by providing the evidence. This makes it obvious to anyone that you are speaking without knowledge, which the Prophet PBUH has compared to being a liar.

>>39112

>The beauty of hadith is that it not only can be, but is encouraged to be, questioned.

That's the job of qualified ulama, not laymen.

>>39117

Why are you continuing this conversation? You're an idiot, we know that, but are you also so autistic that you think getting the last word means you win? Move on. I'm filtering your ID.

>>39119

Do you think >>39117 that idiot is qualified?

>>39120

Start name fagging and I will never respond to you again.

>>39121

The hadith are sahih. It requires no qualifications to see that that is how the scholars classify them. But if you're going to cast doubt on the classifications of other scholars, then you need qualifications.

>>39058

>My ID changes automatically ever few hours

A few hours later …

>>39119

Same ID.

Found the IP hopping liar.

>>39124

Your IP doesn't have to change for the ID to change.

>>39123

>there is literally no possible way for new scholars to arrive in the world

Qur'an is complete and sealed. Hadith must always be questioned, studied, and argued.

>>39125

Your ID is based on your IP. If your IP changes, your ID changes.

>>39127

No, it's not. That's how the ID's on 4chan work. On 8chan the ID's change to protect anonymity.

O juhal, instead of trolling the brother, read and know about the importance of Jihad:

Surat An-Nisā' (The Women) - سورة النساء [ Surah 4:95-101 ]

>Not equal are those believers remaining [at home] - other than the disabled - and the mujahideen, [who strive and fight] in the cause of Allah with their wealth and their lives. Allah has preferred the mujahideen through their wealth and their lives over those who remain [behind], by degrees. And to both Allah has promised the best [reward]. But Allah has preferred the mujahideen over those who remain [behind] with a great reward - 4/95

>Degrees [of high position] from Him and forgiveness and mercy. And Allah is ever Forgiving and Merciful. 4/96

>Indeed, those whom the angels take [in death] while wronging themselves - [the angels] will say, "In what [condition] were you?" They will say, "We were oppressed in the land." The angels will say, "Was not the earth of Allah spacious [enough] for you to emigrate therein?" For those, their refuge is Hell - and evil it is as a destination. 4/97

>Except for the oppressed among men, women and children who cannot devise a plan nor are they directed to a way - 4/98

>For those it is expected that Allah will pardon them, and Allah is ever Pardoning and Forgiving. 4/99

>And whoever emigrates for the cause of Allah will find on the earth many [alternative] locations and abundance. And whoever leaves his home as an emigrant to Allah and His Messenger and then death overtakes him - his reward has already become incumbent upon Allah . And Allah is ever Forgiving and Merciful. 4/100

>And when you travel throughout the land, there is no blame upon you for shortening the prayer, [especially] if you fear that those who disbelieve may disrupt [or attack] you. Indeed, the disbelievers are ever to you a clear enemy. 4/101

This exactly applies today.

>The believers are only the ones who have believed in Allah and His Messenger and then doubt not but strive with their properties and their lives in the cause of Allah . It is those who are the truthful. 49:15

>And what is [the matter] with you that you fight not in the cause of Allah and [for] the oppressed among men, women, and children who say, "Our Lord, take us out of this city of oppressive people and appoint for us from Yourself a protector and appoint for us from Yourself a helper?" 4:75

>Those who believe fight in the cause of Allah , and those who disbelieve fight in the cause of Taghut. So fight against the allies of Satan. Indeed, the plot of Satan has ever been weak. 4:76

>O you who have believed, do not take My enemies and your enemies as allies, extending to them affection while they have disbelieved in what came to you of the truth, having driven out the Prophet and yourselves [only] because you believe in Allah , your Lord. If you have come out for jihad in My cause and seeking means to My approval, [take them not as friends]. You confide to them affection, but I am most knowing of what you have concealed and what you have declared. And whoever does it among you has certainly strayed from the soundness of the way. 60:1

>Narrated Abdullah ibn Umar:

I heard the Messenger of Allah, (ﷺ) say: When you enter into the inah transaction, hold the tails of oxen, are pleased with agriculture, and give up conducting jihad. Allah will make disgrace prevail over you, and will not withdraw it until you return to your original religion. Sunan Abi Dawud 3462

>On the authority of Muadh bin Jabal (may Allah be pleased with him) who said:

“Shall I not inform you of the head of the matter, its pillar and its peak?” I said, “Yes, O Messenger of Allah.” He (peace and blessings of Allah be upon him) said, “The head of the matter is Islam, its pillar is the prayer and its peak is jihad.” 40 Hadith Nawawi 29

>>39131

Uh, no … your ID in a thread is based on your IP. I'll show you using a tripcode. See this ID and tripcode? Now I'll turn on a VPN and change my ID. My ID is now a9b609.

>>39134

Now my ID will change.

>>39135

Now my ID is back to what it was.

Further, the BO and Vols can see an IP hash that identifies you across the entire board. Your ID will change from thread to thread, but the BO and Vols can still see your IP hash and know what you've posted in every thread.

>>39141

Those UK brothers always bring a smile to my face.

>>39141

I don't get how people who claim to be anti-degeneracy can hate these guys.

>>39141

Absolutely based.

>>39144

Same. Muhammad Hijab has been a drama queen lately tho and deserves to be called out for it

>>39151

Let's not backbite now.

>>39149

cuz they are brown, unlike the based civic nationalist tranny !!

>>39160

I'm really only against mass-immigration and Jews subverting European countries. If Islam was accepted by whites I think a lot of our problems would end overnight, at least based on my impressions of Islam. I need to get around to reading the Quran

>>39163

You really should.

>>39163

>I need to get around to reading the Quran

Yes! Do it now. Do not hesitate or make excuses.

>>39163

Whites have accepted LGBT and jews into their hearts. You're already a race traitor ;)

>>39165

>>39169

I already have a copy on my bookshelf, I guess I could start at it tonight. I've heard the order of the Quran is a bit odd, do you just read it right through?

>>39172

Yes. You should just read it right through sooner rather than later.

>>39172

Read it as it is at first. Don't try to jump into algebra before you learn how to add.

>>39173

>>39177

Thank you for the help, anons.

>>38978

Most of us in USA are simply pro- individual freedom. If you want to conduct your life in accordance with your religious convictions, with your prophet, as long as you aren't harming other people, GOOD for you, more power to you. Live your life and tend to YOUR struggle within yourself, instead of trying to police other people. You will be stronger and better respected for this.

You have to make ba'raa from both of these extreme people.

Be aware and don't participate in their politics / army / system.

If you are there then make da'wah to the polite non muslims who will listen.

>>40761

>this is what liberals actually believe

Or atheist. Whatever, it thinks it's okay to chop your dick off.

Repeat After Me: There is nothing about liberalism that is compatible with Actual Islam. The observation that so many Western countries are telling kids its okay to be a man who 🤬s other men up the ass or chop your dick off while both are regarded as something to be loudly opposed in Islam is but one example of this.

>>41593

Actually the entire election thing is kinda compatible.

I'm sunni and think Ali and his line should have succeeded because how America does its elections. Also worth mentioning Jewish leadership was inherited by blood according to Quran. Also mahdi is a decendent of Fatimah, the only guaranteed second caliph.

Shi'a are misguided though.

>>41595

"Democracy" is a meme. Every society has an entrenched "elite" who acts and moves society from it regardless of what the hay shovelers and desk jockeys on the bottom think.

>Also, you can't mix this islamic method with the kafir democracy which is a system of rule by humans for humans without the guidance of Allah, where they can change the halal and haram according to the whims of the majority.

Ye even when Muslims used election, it was only the top scholars who had a say in it, not the unqualified, inexperienced, non specialist, general population, which even classical Greek philosophers like Socrates criticized democracy for being, and was executed for preaching.

>>39069

if Muhammad PBUH and his sahabah didn't interpret it that way then don't interpret it that way

Trump

>>41639

I love how you discuss how I interpret this, or that, 14 centuries ago, and ignore what I say when you have me alive:

https://8kun.top/islam/res/41809.html

https://8kun.top/x/res/58439.html