/sw/ - Star Wars

>>27347

>Why does a supposedly wise figure like Yoda cleave to the idea that personal love is necessarily evil, for example?

Does he ever say that? Like Anakin says in AotC, Jedi teachings encourage love and empathy and all of that gay stuff, it's only attachment which they discourage. Attaching yourself to one person provides a focusing point for very intense emotions, which are more difficult control, which makes you vulnerable to the dark side. Even if love is itself an ostensibly positive force, its influence can make you do crazy stuff. History's full of people abandoning their lives for the one they love, abandoning their principles in a fit of passion, even murdering in the name of love. And while the prequels don't expound on this in dialogue, you can clearly see the effects in Anakin. Love and attachment for his mother is what drove him to kill sand people in cold blood, attachment and fear for Padme is one of the factors that pushed him onto the dark path as he was terrified of her dying. The old order might have been heavy-handed in applying this policy, but the theory that "attachment=dangerous" does have truth in it.

>I would have preferred a little more world building in relation to how they became so dogmatic in the first place.

Agreed. You can infer that perhaps they had repeated instances of people becoming attached and falling in the past, but that isn't really shown explicitly. Dawn of the Jedi almost completely ignores this idea and goes for the big-brain centrist "dark and light are both needed for balance" interpretation, and even if you agree with that stance (I personally don't), it's certainly not the point of view of the Jedi.

>The general audience isn't really meant to see the Jedi as dogmatic

Admittedly, this could be a "the curtains were fucking blue" moment, and we can only speculate so far on what George wanted the audience to see. But even if John Q. Norman never saw this, I don't think it's an unreasonable expectation taken in the context of the prequels as a whole. Lucas made it clear that the Old Republic as a whole was dysfunctional and out of touch itsPost too long. Click here to view the full text.

>>27355

>t's only attachment which they discourage

Personal love comes under the heading of attachment. Compassion is merely love that is universal, unconditional and disembodied. The Jedi clearly favor compassion whilst scorning personal love. Naturally, personal love is not without its follies but neither is compassion. I suppose I find it hard to believe that a storied institution like the Jedi order would take such a dismissive and, ultimately, superstitious view of personal love. It would have been more compelling if they had some means of testing whether or not a love was genuine through the force and realized there was something dangerously wrong with Anakin's "love" for Padme. It would also have made more sense in-universe. The Jedi are in danger of coming across as sociopathic with that whole "we take kids from an extremely young age and teach them that they must never form attachments" angle." It doesn't stand up to scrutiny.

>Dawn of the Jedi almost completely ignores this idea

I feel like Dawn of the Jedi really confused things further. If the dark side truly is its own substance and one half of the force, then the Jedi are out and out tyrants and liars.

> it's not unreasonable to assume that he meant for the old Jedi Order to be out of touch itself

I still think this is pressing the point a little too far. Whilst the Republic is portrayed as corrupt in the films, the Jedi are universally portrayed as paragons and heroes. I don't think most audiences would come away with a nuanced interpretation of the Order, and I think that George intended for there to be little nuance in this respect. This makes the whole "no attachment" shtick seem doubly obscene.

>Does he really need to be?

To some extent, yes. I see what you mean about them stepping on Luke's toes narratively, but Yoda's and Obi-wan's constant inability to actually reflect on the order itself undermines the strength of their characterization. Reflection is the first step to wisdom, after all, and these two are meant to be extremely wise.

>>27463

>The Jedi are in danger of coming across as sociopathic with that whole "we take kids from an extremely young age and teach them that they must never form attachments" angle."

Parts of the EU, like the Baby Ludi controversy, actually take that angle and do a decent job of it. But if we're limiting ourselves to George's direct works, and we assume that he wanted the Jedi to be seen as unequivocally good, then you're correct that this comes to off as just a bit jarring.

>>27469

What ever did become of the whole Baby Ludi incident? I mean was there ever a followup story or was she killed by Anakin? And what happened to all the Jedi babies? Were they killed by Anakin too or did Palpatrips induct them into his future inquisition?

>>28375

There was never a follow up story, though it is interesting to speculate. She was transferred off world when things got too hot on Coruscant. I imagine she was either killed or inducted into the Empire at some point. There was that one episode of CW that showed Sheev collecting force sensitive infants. It's CW so the canon's a mess, but still.

I think the story itself is great. It does a lot to highlight the inherent hubris of the Jedi: they are a cult; they are backed financially by powerful institutions yet are in no way beholden to them; they can and do steal children from their parents without prior consent; they do raise those children from the earliest age possible to deny sentient nature by suppressing their emotions and any personal connection that cannot be universalized. It is no wonder that Sheev was able to wipe them out with little to no public reprisal.

I also meant to talk about some of the stuff having to do with how anti-Force user weapons will be handled in this time period. We don't have to have this discussion for the TOR separatist canon because the arsenals in use at the time are already fairly well-established or will be by TORanon in cases where they aren't. We had some talk in the lightsaber thread about pulse cannons being an excellent choice against lightsaber wielders. We originally put a focus on spread weapons like flamethrowers. Slugthrowers also have an application here. But those require a specialized ammo source. Pulse cannons are an energy-based weapon, meaning they use a type of ammo similar to the ever-present blasters, and have rapid fire and seem to dissipate on hit. This makes them very good against lightsabers. I also conceived of a new weapon which mixes the pulse cannon with the concussion rifle, shooting rapid streams of shots that explode instead of dissipating on impact. Explosive shots will defeat any defense a standard lightsaber can put up, and while shots from a concussion rifle can be Force pushed back, the rapid fire throws too much flak at the target to do this with any reliability. Only an abnormal kind of lightsaber setup can block them, and they can't be deflected back at the shooter. I further thought of arming droidekas with this weapon. Each individual shot lacks the power of a full-strength concussion rifle blast, but it's still enough to do a good deal more damage than a blaster in a radius. You may not have any use for this, but I thought I'd let you know it was there.

>>26987

That makes perfect sense, Anon. I'll have to explore this idea further. Unfortunately work has been shit and Christmas shit is getting in the way. I'll try to mass respond when I'm not exhausted and/or busy. Still, great idea.

Back. I've been reading up on wars and distancing myself a little so I don't get totally burnt out. I'll try to update a bit more often and communicate better overall.

>>24277

I really enjoyed your synopsis; it's rare that fan fiction can produce something so good. I like the idea of multiple Jedi orders; I like the idea of multiple governments in the galaxy; I like what you have done with the imperial knights - the idea of one of them engendering conflict in the way that you describe seems highly plausible. It all makes a great deal of sense given what has gone before.

My one gripe would be that you choose to ultimately go down the well trod path of "faction x vs. faction y + there is a super weapon." I understand this sort of conflict is the central theme of all Star Wars properties, but must you limit your story in this way? There are only so many times I can read an "us versus them" story-line in this universe without it getting boring. Conflict must play a role in any good narrative, especially a Star Wars narrative, but does it have to always be so much in the foreground?

What about discovery and new frontiers? What about colonisation? What about delving further into the mysteries of the force and the origins of life in this galaxy? What about introducing a viable timeline of linear technological progression (anathema to Stars Wars, I know, but it doesn't need to be).

Anyway, the overriding point is I think you've really got something.

>>28151

>I'll try to update a bit more often and communicate better overall.

Take your time. Best to not overdo it. Burning yourself out is not only bad for one's work but for their health too.

>>28147

y rnt mor peeple pizzed bout this

>>27551

>He sacrificed himself to confusingly buy time so that the people could leave

So Luke Skywalker killed himself for a bunch of nobodies that he doesn't even know. Once again, how is that brave? How is that logical? If he cares about the Resistance winning, why wouldn't he just go fight for them?

>>27551

>He sacrificed himself to confusingly buy time so that the people could leave through the secret crystal-fox hole

Imagine dying over this weird contrivance of a plot point. How did Luke even know to sacrifice himself at that point? How did he know the last remnants of the resistance had their backs against the wall at that exact moment in time on that exact planet? How did he know that Kylo would take the bait or that it would even matter if he did? Why did Luke sacrifice himself for approximately 200 nobodies? Wouldn't it have made more sense to sacrifice himself at an earlier point in the war when the resistance still stood a chance of winning and his death would have actually made a difference to the outcome? How could he have been so sure that these 200 or so grunts would be enough to "light the spark that will start the fire that will burn the first order down (ugh)" across galaxy? What exactly is so special about them? Why did he even bother sequestering himself on the island if he's just going to break from this decision and help the resistance when it's already too late? And, if he is going to help the resistance, at this late stage, why not simply jump to light speed in his x wing?

NONE of the Last Jedi's major plot points made ANY sense whatsoever.

>>27551

>Also I think that he died because he got stabbed while projecting, not because he projected.

Then why didn't he die from the nu-AT-At turbolaser barrage? This is retarded no matter how you slice it.

>>27783

Disney shills out in force coincidentally right before the rat releases the trailer to the next out of touch train wreck soywars "film".

You can not rehabilitate Dinsey starwar's image EP IX will fail.

>>27820

You're not wrong, but what does that have to do with what I posted?

>>27640

It's one of the better series in the EU, without a doubt it's worth reading.

Honestly if you want the Thrawn trilogy as a movie just listen to the audiobooks, the unabridged versions are great if you get the version voiced by Marc Thompson. The thing to keep in mind is that the unabridged audio books are like 14h each so any movie version would be cutting large sections so it would probably end up shit. It's not like Lord of the Rings where you cut out all the random singing and suddenly you have a solid movie.

>>27682

Not necessarily, remember that large parts of novels are just describing the scene. Two paragraphs of description that take a good minute to read to completion can exactly represented with a second or two of visuals.

>>7721

They would have had to rewrite the scripts so that Luke, Han, and Leia took secondary or even tertiary roles, and new characters filled in for them. I actually like that idea quite a bit, but I know that Disney would ruin it by casting more diversity hires.

At least the plot would have made more sense.

I think the problem with doing the Thrawn trilogy as movies now is too much time has passed. The entire story kind of hinges on it being shortly after RotJ, where the New Republic are struggling to get on their feet, where the Empire are weakened, but gradually pulling themselves together, Where Luke is established, but still young and naive about a lot of the finer details of the Jedi and the force.

So live action is off the table.

Animation is doable, and it could potentially make a great TV show, which is probably the better format for this kind of story. Thrawn is already an established character in the Disney canon, and there's always going to be an audience for more Luke Skywalker adventures.

It all hinges on whether Disney will ever decide to pull their fingers out and start treating this franchise properly, I guess, which seems like kind of a long shot at the moment,

>>27871

Is Bionicle still a thing?

>>27995

Sorry, that was meant for >>27926

>>17097

Apparently old-timey latin characters are part of unicode?

>>27369

Anon, your succor is here.

>>27372

So the secrets of Xim have been under my nose this whole time?

>>27692

In a word, yes.

>>12012

Kino post.

>>10517

>When you're a kid, it's nice to see, when you got past 30, it's awful to see.

age has nothing to do with it. Battle looks great, it's stylistically designed to be that way™.

>>10871

the battle is absolutely justifiable and it's an impressive sequence. "Technique" my ass.

>pure Hollywood

doesn't make sense nor does it mean anything. These aren't even hollywood films.

aotc is a beautiful work of art, there are no genuine flaws with the prequels besides them making the OT feel much more basic in comparison.

>>27654

This thread was a bunch of Disney shills whining and oy veying when they were called out.

Aside from the retarded snowspeeders attacking AT-ATs in the only direction they have guns, Hoth is actually pretty reasonable if you assume the weather prevents artillery and atmospheric bombing.

>Implying the invasion ever happened

>>24170

are those all real EU comics anon, or is there some disney shit spread in there?

Tales was definitely the best Star Wars comic.

>>26790

No, you aren't.

>>26790

The tentacles in their asses wouldn't be so bad if not for the corny hyperdrive engines sticking out of them, or their dreadful color schemes which look gaudy as shit. The new Marvel comics are mediocre, but at least they did the concept of space whales somewhat better (just barely though).

>>22959

IIRC, there was more of that stuff in ANH's original cut but it got removed because it slowed down the pacing.

>>26870

I don't see why there would be whales in space to begin with.

>>22961

They suck moisture out of the ground with machines. If the machines break, they repair them. They break a lot. What more do you need to know?

>>27536

Does tumblr allow censored lewds?

>>27546

As long as there aren't nipples, dicks, or clits, it's kosher.

>>25633

>Does anyone have the RPGs (West End Games, WotC, FFG) somewhere in a package?

It may not be a package, but I know where to find the PDFs.

for D6: http://www.d6holocron.com/

for everything else and D6: https://thetrove.net/Books/Star%20Wars/index.html

hope it helps.

>>27530

??? Do you want sauce on that pic or something? If so I think its from the third issue of the tales of the jedi comics. Here's a magnet link to them

magnet:?xt=urn:btih:9f4e0fc67f89470b504113744dcf3d7f28542da6&dn=Star+Wars+-+Tales+of+the+Jedi+%286x+Mini-Series%29+%281993+-+1998%29+%28Da&tr=udp%3A%2F%2Ftracker.leechers-paradise.org%3A6969&tr=udp%3A%2F%2Fzer0day.ch%3A1337&tr=udp%3A%2F%2Fopen.demonii.com%3A1337&tr=udp%3A%2F%2Ftracker.coppersurfer.tk%3A6969&tr=udp%3A%2F%2Fexodus.desync.com%3A6969

Where can I learn more about this guy?

>>27508

In the Tales of the Jedi comics. Ask in the Request thread if someone can give you a download or torrent link. Or do you just want a brief summary?

>>27493

Something about pictures of him escaping the Sarclaac always look epic.

>>27495

What species is Tsumo supposed to be?

>>18281

Reupload, you nigger.

>>18270

Whaddya want?

>>18281

>Also how do I upload audio?

Forgot to delete that. Oviously I am a genius who has mastered the art of

 ffmpeg -i "Karen_Traviss.jpg" -i "Ep_1_Karen_Traviss.mp3" "Ep_1_Karen_Traviss.mp4" 

>>18289

>>File is corrupt

Really? Damn, I'll fix it tomorrow; got to learn how to do these things properly. The picture is just some random pic of Karen Traviss off image search, you aren't missing anything.

>>16694

Did anyone download that?

Anyone feel like reading out parts from The Despotica?

>>18321

Anon? Did you ever fix that?