/sw/ - Star Wars

>>1089

oh, and for the sake of a proper timeline and all, i suggest we do try to start from as early as we possibly can.

As for the 2d versus 3d clone wars, I'd say all of the 2d clone wars should be canon, and only certain episodes of the 3d should be.

>>1091

He is…

oh, you meant he needs to be raped my bad

So basically, it comes down to separating Clone Wars media into a 2003 and a 2008 continuity.

>>1089

>(personally i think there exists a possible balance of the 2d and 3d shows).

I always thought they fit rather snugly together in the order of:

>Attack of the Clones

>first half of 2D Clone Wars

>3D Clone Wars

>second half of 2D Clone Wars

And then leading directly in to Revenge of the Sith. There's a lot of pruning that can be done with 3D Clone Wars since it has plenty of weird stuff. You will also have to decide whether Ahsoka should die in the purge rather than surviving into the GCW.

It might also be a good idea to decide on a set list of jedi that survived Order 66 just to bring down the enormous number that apparently did. It diminishes Ben and Yoda's standing as the last of the jedi in the movies if there are too many getting involved in galactic affairs around that time. Either they should survive a few years after Revenge of the Sith and then getting killed by the empire or if they survive longer they should have a good reason to be in hiding (like Qu Rahn and the Valley of the Jedi or Echuu and his holocron) before also getting killed by the empire.

Some of the video games would be a pretty good addition to the lore. Things like TIE Fight and Dark Forces/Jedi Knight go without saying at this point. I don't think the Force Unleashed should be included because it's more of a self-contained story that follows it's own force-physics rather than blending itself with the rest of the universe. Also if you want Knights of the Old Republic back then you will have to decide on what the canon route of both games is, otherwise you won't be able to refer back to their events properly.

>>1103

anon, you literally read my mind.

as far as ahsoka goes, i don't mind her being around post order 66, but she absolutely has to die by vader's hand prior to episode 4. however, i'm not taking rebels into account here, so that's entirely up to us on how to close it out. also, asajj ventress doesn't die her bullshit death in that ahsoka book, and instead sticks to her old canon end by simply leaving the conflict for the uncharted regions. also, i don't think ahsoka should at all be anakin's apprentice, but rather another padawan that anakin formed a tight friendship with. i mean wtf, why and how would an apprentice take on an apprentice, this isn't darth vader plotting to overthrow the emperor/expose the emperor's enemies.

oh, some of you will most likely dislike me for this, but i want rogue one to be included in this canon, however rewritten to be kyle and jan and not the minority bullshit. just the two of them infiltrating with a skeleton crew of rebel troops at an imperial data center on scarif (none of those stupid ATATs, just regular old imperial supply ships), and escaping the planet by a hair. galen erso will go back to being qwi xux and bevel lemelisk. i'll have to go into further details on this in a separate post.

What if Lucas is actually engaged in a Sith-tier plot to consolidate creative control of SW? He sold a strong series to the highest bidder, they have devalued the franchise and annoyed many fans with their changes. Once the slew of new media has sufficiently lowered the overall quality, it won't be as much of a cash-cow. They may then look to sell it, at which point Lord Lucas emerges from the shadows with his massive disney paycheque to take command again.

Maybe just wishful thinking.

>>1124

If he lasts another ten years he might be able to buy Disney itself. He has the money for life-extension wizardry and heart transplants so it all depends on whether he wants to live that long or whether he feels finished with life already.

>>1126

>>1124

I want to think that but his new wife will probably off him in the next few years for all her family members and then Lucas dynasty will be a Kang dynasty.

Perhaps she forced him to sell it off in the first place?

>>1105

We're missing a post from you, anon.

Alright, how much of the old EU novels should remain canon? Personally I'd say keep the Vong, but build more on the consequences of their invasion and don't try to sweep it all under the rug.

>>2828

i think we can do without han solo fighting a giant otter or skippy the jedi droid though.

>>2828 (checked)

Sounds reasonable. But… can we please, please do something to make the Celestials more interesting and less derpy? Speaking of that, the war between them and the Rakatans deserves some expansion, perhaps even including TOR material like the World Razer and that equine race of spess mongols.

>>2851

Its from the Ewoks comics issue 14, I think its a Trandoshan. The message is an important lesson about taking the "gifts" of outlanders.

>>2842

My selonianigga

>>2843

Why not? I like dem slugs.

Okay folks, how much KotOR and TOR stuff do we want to remain canon? And no, dumping it all in the trash is not an acceptable answer. I like the comics and TSL, thank you much.

>>3965

everything but swtor is fine. or keep the main swtor shit and not the expansions.

http://www.starwarstimeline.net/

If this site is accurate enough, it'd be a good timeline to start from.

>>1089

I'm up for it.

Are we doing any OC donut steel ayys or are we just sticking to preexisting species for the most part? New ones would be nice, but we don't want oversaturation or Disney potato aliens.

>>3966

What went wrong with the expansions? I'm considering giving the game a whirl in the new year, despite its pitfalls.

>>3968

Both are fine, though expanding some of the cooler but rare ones is fun too. Yoda's Species is… well, best if we talk more about what they do in the Galaxy than what they get up to on their homeworld. Personally, looking into the Krevaaki could be fun.

>>3969

I'm all for exploring the preexisting ones. What are some ayys that would be neat to flesh out?

honestly, Yoda's species should continue to be really fucking rare and mysterious

>Krevaaki

Those guys really remind me of Grievous's robot body for some reason.

>>3973

http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/True_Covenant We should also try and answer what happened with these guys, and maybe even go into the Rogue Moon Project, Zayne's people I want him and Jarael to stay a couple, dagnabbit. Little loose threads to work with.

>Krevaaki

Hnn, looking at the face, I can see what you mean. I once used a Krevaaki Grey Jedi for a short-lived rpg, had him be a demolitions expert who used the Force to handle his bombs where his tentacles couldn't, and had no problem using a blaster on Sith novices. It was fun while it lasted.

How about the Devaronians and the Abyssin (devils and cyclops ogres, respectively)?

Oh also, feast your ears on this hunk of cheese. You get to hear the voices of both Masters Arca Jeth and Vodo-Siosk Baas in here. The latter is surprisingly soothing.

>>3977

That frustrated you too, eh? It would have done much to explain how the Jedi Order recovered so well after the events of TSL. Or why it recovered at all. Maybe even why it recovered after the Galactic Civil War.

>>3969

>What went wrong with the expansions?

they did revan and the exile dirty.

>>3981

Aaaah. Yes, we badly need to remedy that. But how? I'm not too familiar with that part of TOR, unfortunately, but I know something better needs doing with the Exile at least.

>>3980

You would think something as pivotal as the recovery of the JO would've at least been fairly covered. Its not like these were some of the usual nobodies that got fucked up.

>>3981

Bioware, EA and SWTOR was a mistake.

>>3997

>Revan is now a humorless scaled up Bond villain obsessed with vengeance and betrayal

Really now? I mean, I got from this vid here that he turns into a massive ham when speechifying, but when talking too? Someone didn't get that if you want to make Revan back into a villain, he'd be much more intimidating if you kept his wicked sense of humor and contrasted that with what he's trying to do. Of course, attempting to wipe the entire Sith Empire from the Galaxy with a genocidal swarm of droids is so impractical and un-Revan that it's almost funny. It'd be much better if he just dropped onto Dromund Kaas one day with a party of misfits, then started cheerily murderhoboing and looting his way toward the Capital before sewer-sneaking right into the Citadel while you're off dealing with the army of freed slaves and scum he's gathered. Bonus if every single named character on his side is a bundle of talents and personality issues (good old HK having accompanied his master on the sneak).

>recovery

You would think. There were thousands of Jedi about by the time of Lord Kaan, and still plenty of them about by Episode I. TOR also shows hundreds if not thousands active during the Cold War. A little under three hundred years is not enough for under ten individuals to bring it all back without help. Thus, the True Covenant. Perhaps in combination with the Rogue Moon Project, they ensure that a fair number of Jedi survive the Hunt, but in such a way that they themselves remain secret.

Honestly, I like the initial setup of TOR, being a fragile and unfaithful peace between Republic and Empire after a savage war bleeds both badly. The Sacking of Coruscant especially makes me grin every time I see it. I don't even really mind Vitiate, so long as he remains inferior to Palpatine in some respects. But it's the details from there that make a mess. Personally, I wouldn't mind if it turned out the two polities eventually merged together, hence the markings and ship designs of the Late Republic/Galactic Empire.

>>3968

http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Draethos_(species)

http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Celegian

Here's a couple of weird ones.

>Vitiate

>Sidious

Aha. Perhaps while Vitiate has a long reach and hideous potential power, Sidious can manipulate fate itself, and is far better at subterfuge.

>>3969

The expansion stories were fine, Revan fanboi entitlement aside, up until the Knights of the Fallen Empire/Eternal Throne sagas. They were launched after the Disney buyout and it's highly apparent that the writers at BioWare Austin decided that if Disney wasn't going to consider their game canon that they could feel free to write whatever the fuck they want and to hell with whether or not it jived with anything further in the future of the Legends continuity. That or they took the concept for a Space Opera game that never made it far in production and painted it with Star Wars like how Dinosaur Planet became Starfox Adventures.

I suppose on the whole it's not the craziest type of liberty taken with the lore in EU history, but it still feels like it creates its own timeline.

>>1091

I remember that storytime of /co/ of those comics. Good times, let them be. Enjoy them for what they are.

http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Yevetha

I loved these guys. They deserve to not only be eternally canonical, but also still running around trying to revitalize their race after the Vong. I refuse to believe they've been wiped out completely.

>>4286

Well they were and Disney will never give us anything good. Even the guys behind Rebels are more concerned with fellating their own particular shit.

>>4540

Understandable. Would've been pretty interesting to have gotten something really alien to us in terms of storytelling concerning the jedi/sith views on the origin of life, but beggars can't be choosers, especially now, when considering the current state of affairs.

Did you ever wonder why the Republic never carpet-bombed Korriban to a ball of glass? Well, I have an answer to that: they tried already and it failed miserably. Which is to say, in the lull between one war or another (not long before the rise of Darth Ruin, ideally), the Republic amassed a fleet above Korriban to solve the Sith artifact problem once and for all. Nothing planetside would be left standing. No crime would be committed, since no one lived there anymore. What they didn't count on was the locals having none of that. Every single Sith spirit below pooled their efforts on the fleet above, assailing bridge and gunnery crews with hallucinations, sourceless terrors, and bouts of extreme paranoia. Before long, one crew snapped and fired on its fellow, things escalated from there, and the whole fleet descended into anarchic friendly fire. By the time the "engagement" was over, not a single shot had hit the planet (plenty of shattered hulls, though), and only a tiny fraction of the fleet remained to retreat into hyperspace. The message was clear enough for the following generations.

A True Sith Never Dies

>so, who's down?

I am. I once suggested something like that on /tg/, but the thread didn't go anywhere.

Also, I agree with >>2828. We should just keep all of the old canon since it's the lowest common denominator. Maybe we can rework some of the worse parts.

Also, I kinda like the idea of us creating our own little Star Wars era that takes place at some point in the 3000 years between the Old Republic and Darth Bane. I might make a thread on this later once I gathered a few thoughts.

>entire EU is full of secret Sith and secret Vader and Palpatine apprentices despite the OT and PT hammering us with a nail to tell people there are only two

Please no secret Sith orders.

>>5004

Ever since they've only been referenced in a shitty mobile game and were renamed "Undead Troopers" cuz muh Disney and their shitty new Rogue One trooper variant with the same name.

>>5038

the deathtroopers were the only good part of rogue one

>>4994

I take it this meets your approval. Very well, then I have more.

While the Madness over Korriban would become an infamous tragedy for centuries, it did not end with the orbital battle. Dozens of escape pods and at least one Hammerhead-class cruiser (the Hydrax) reached the planet's surface relatively intact. While the Hydrax transmitted its distress signals and its remaining crew worked frantically to repair thrusters, they obtained contact with the other survivors. While at first successful, reports came in of aggressive Tuk'ata and Wraid, of strange sounds from nowhere, and some Republic personnel seemingly vanishing once out of sight. Enough of the survivors were armed that these problems were not considered critical. The situation worsened from thereon.

Animal attacks increased in frequency, men were rent apart by invisible jaws when away from their encampments, and sourceless sounds became half-heard whispers. Across Korriban, the winds blew with greater intensity by the hour, filling the air with an impenetrable murk of dust. Transmission quality degraded rapidly in some places, such that comlinks became borderline useless. A report from the Valley of Golg spoke of shadows which did not match the local architecture, of robed figures moving in the distance which disappeared when approached. A crewman thought that the old bell atop one such tomb was speaking to him before contact was lost. Those who found shelter in the decades-abandoned settlement of Dreshdae came under attack by a motley assortment of ancient war droids from multiple eras, seemingly rising out of the town foundations. Some of these droids should not have functioned at all, but were held together nonetheless.

None truly know what befell the poor beings who landed in the Valley of the Sith Lords, as their communications broke down shortly after arrival. While they were seen shambling or confidently striding out of that place by other survivors, none of them could be considered themselves (or properly alive, for that matter). We know this by the audio reports of the Dreshdae group when they attempted to link up with other survivors. These "flame-eyed" former personnel walked among the war droids unharmed, followed by countless dusty suits of armor and bone marching around without support. They spoke in both Basic and another older language, always in the same mocking tone: "Are we understood?"

Evidently, this message was intended for the those listening in, as all members of the Dreshdae group were later found dead. Rescue would not come for a standard week. By the time it did, the Hydrax crew had begun spotting the shapes of banners and hearing the sound of war horns and endless stamping boots on the horizon. At the crew's insistence, the Republic expedition searched the area, but found nothing aside from dust and rusted scrap. Of the four hundred and fifty estimated beings which had come down in escape pods, only eighteen were ever rescued. The vast majority of that number could not be found for burial.

>>1089

Incidentally, folks, this is now our writefaggotry thread unless >>5024 makes one (and even if he does, it can still be one).

>>5095

That's because they are the chink rip-off of Dark Troopers. There is no physical way you can fuck up Dark Troopers.

>>5131

Pretty much this. To think if Clone Wars had gone on just a little longer we could've had proto Dark Troopers.

>>5109

Following the rescue, Korriban would ideally be left to its ghosts. From that moment on, the Republic would leave that haunted world alone. No passage could be chartered there, and the Jedi Order declared the entire Horuset system as unsafe for travel. However, the rumors of an entire fleet's worth of wreckage and scrap metal was too much of a lure for the assorted scum of the Galaxy. Within weeks of the Republic's departure, hundreds of salvagers and dozens of ships arrived to scavenge from the destruction. These efforts went on in orbit and planetside, monied interests returning to Dreshdae in order to provide for the scavengers. Little shanty-towns sprang up around especially sizeable wrecks, but only Dreshdae became a small city.

Meanwhile, Korriban's Madness dogged its survivors long after they had left. All of them experienced waking nightmares, and unintelligible whispers in their dreams which were not. These beings suffered greatly, and often in silence. But one exception, a Herglic Jedi Knight by the name of Shiran Noru, made sure the Galaxy knew. Having tried and failed to confront the horrors he had seen in the Force above Korriban (and frustrated without end by the outcome of the incident), Noru went rogue. Leaving his favored temple, the Herglic Knight took over a band of pirates and then began a campaign of subversion in the Darpa sector. Every raid and pillaging he committed, Noru declared with the authority of the Jedi Order, his men dressed in crude mockeries of Jedi robes. His pirates operated for months without Republic forces even glimpsing their ships, until the Jedi took over the pursuit. Noru's former Master, Krez Tooak, led the effort, a cat-and-mouse hunt which Noru's diary declared he enjoyed. Finally, eight standard months after the campaign began, Master Tooak caught and disabled Noru's flagship over one of the moons of Ralltiir. While Republic troops battled pirates in the hallways, master and apprentice fought on the bridge. In the end, Tooak struck the rogue Knight down, his last words a lament that the cycle of the Sith and the Jedi would never truly end, even if Korriban was destroyed.

>>5213

Thank you, thank you. If I'm not called a faggot yet, I presume that I've done well. And now, a perspective shift.

This place. This place is home, however wearisome. It is not as quiet as one would think. For eons you keep the same neighbors, the same gathering places. They argue there over the same things, and compare the same old glories. Every once in a while, one of us finds some excitement in prophecy and just Has to share it with the rest of us. Debates over what they mean can last decades at a sitting. We have all the time in the Galaxy to argue the minutia.

Hmmm?

Them? Do not insult me, child. I can hardly call the first of them "upstarts", let alone the hallowed title of SITH'ARI. They were mere game pieces anyway, however powerful they became. Those whom we did not consume long ago for their weakness remain our servants. "Master of the Academy" indeed, though at least he knows his place. Now, old Tenebrae coming back was something to behold. I could Smell the blood of our kind in the Force years before he brought his Empire with him. It was a great pity that he was so mad, but what grandeur he brought to our name. It became so very Loud during those centuries. So many new souls to know and to subjugate and yes, to guide. It is why we spoke so loudly and so much in those days. Apart from the sport of it, the Sith in the flesh would have destroyed themselves without a push from us. We humor the best of them even now, when they have something worth hearing.

…What? Dead? The Sith are dead? The Empire is gone? My fellow Lords and Ladies, do you hear this?

Hnnnhmhhahahahahahah, AHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAH

You realize how precious little that Matters, child, even as you cry out. You would not be in this predicament if your blighted Order was not afraid of us as we are. You would not drift above our home staring at the corpses of your crew unless we had the power you witnessed. And You would not tremble at our voices unless you realized the depth of your Republic's mistake. Empires come and go like the suns, but the Sith are always and for Ever. Even if your fleet had succeeded, reduced the Valley of the Lords to fine glass and powder, we would not disappear from the Galaxy. It would be as laughable as destroying the vaunted Jedi by burning all the trees on Typhon. Our influences are spread too far across the cosmos for a "simple" answer. One rises, and the other rises to fight it. It is the way of things. The beginning of your latest end will come soon, child, though you will not live to see it. It will even spring from your own Order, as is also the way of things. Do not bother trying to prevent it. They will not know what to do. Our foresight has the practice of millennia, and we know the deaths of you all.

Fare Well In What Time You Have Left, Jedi.

>>5251

Bretty good 9/10. Sith shit is always a good read

>>5109

>>5203

>>5251

Look at how easy you make this shit look. Why is it so hard for Disney?

>>5319

>>5295

You do me too much honor.

>Why is it so hard for Disney

Because while they prize obedience, they do not prize ambition and strength. That is their weakness.

I hope the subtle manipulation and faux-doddering old man a la Palpatine was clear enough in that last part. You could have that be any Sith Lord you want, though my bet is Ludo Kressh.

Since we're writefagging now, here's a small sample of something I'm sort of working on right now. It's a little scene I came up with while at work yesterday. I'm thinking about putting an Edge of the Empire campaign I once wrote (See >>>/tg/350555) into a little story.

Bal Orson was the epitome of a middle-aged corporate drone, with his only goal in life being his job; ensuring that things went smoothy on Cestros V. Naturally he was not thrilled at the prospect of having Imperial authority anywhere near his mining operation, even if it came in the less than inofficial shape of a ragtag team of mercenaries, hired by a local governor who was obviously on his way out, tasked to do force knows what.

"This meeting is a courtesy", Orson said as Ren and his crew walked into his office, a small building on the far side of the strip mine that looked a lot more like an utility room. "I will comply as far as company protocol dictates."

"Bold move", Ren said and casually sat down on the chair in front of Orson's desks. "What if the moff hears of this?"

"If things don't turn around for the moff he'll be gone within the week", Orson said. "And so will the Empire in this sector." The overseer folded his hands and leaned forward. "I will not lie. I don't want you on this planet. I'm just doing what the brass tells me."

>>5371

morriband in our canon should be just korriban but with correlian accent

>>5366

I'm seeing some familiar style here. Keep going.

>>5371

Why on Earth would I call it anything else? This is still the age when the home of the Sith is whispered about.

>>5374

>I'm seeing some familiar style here.

How so?

>>5042

the Rule of two was more of guideline, I like the Emperor's hands (Mara Jade espcially), the inquisitors, and the Red Guard, and Vader trying to train apprentices as that was what the apprentice was supposed to do, find the next one and then together take out the master

>>5449

That kind of traitorous backstabbing shit was always enjoyable.

>>5436

Your opening sentence reminds me of someone from the EU (or was it the Black Library?). I just can't remember who.

>>5319

>easy

It helps that the initial idea - The Republic indeed tried to destroy Korriban, only for the Sith spirits to drive their fleet insane - was something I've entertained for years. The rest was off-the-cuff after a couple days thinking.

All that said, I'd greatly appreciate someone writing an eyewitness account of the Madness itself, perhaps on the same bridge Sir Noru stood on, if that was the flagship. I believe that I might write of the events leading up to the incident. The Republic doesn't just do big operations like this without some provocation.

On another note…

https://web.archive.org/web/20140206141336/http://starwarsblog.starwars.com/2013/09/27/star-wars-the-essential-guide-to-warfare-authors-cut-the-celestials/ Ever read this? It carries some interesting ideas for the future.

>>5459

>It carries some interesting ideas for the future.

A shame no one outside this board will ever care. Last time I tried discussing anything EU related (almost a year ago), I got chewed out of my old forums. I then tried the shit hole that was the Jedi Council Forums. Fuck, what a mess of pretentious dickwads.

>>5464

Try on a TOR forum. Also, it might be amusing to see how many are receptive in the wake of TLJ.

Besides, why do you care what those spineless ingrates think? Write!

>>5467

I used to be somewhat regular there before 2012. There were always pretentious faggots on there, but they always kept their self-righteous prideful faggotry contained in the politic/off-topic sub-forums. Then it all started leaking all over the place (or maybe it was there all along and I was just too young and innocent to notice). Then the Disney shit came along and it was nothing but Disney fanboys, traitors, people who I thought shared my interest suddenly just shitting on everything I thought we liked because "lol who cares! new movies XDDD", and then there was the political spergs who just wouldn't shut up about how great these new films would be for progress, diversity, social justice, fedoraisms, tumblrisms, redditisms, etc, all that crap. I just wanted to talk about fucking SW and concepts, and see see what the future would have in store for us, like more detail on unexplored subjects of the films and eu or if we would ever get proper tv adaptations, even if they were cheap. After that I just dropped off there and went back to wookieepedia since they still had non-Disney shit as the default, but they eventually caved into the Disney shills because

<Ya gotta respect the canon! Its the truth! And wikis gotta honor the trooth!!!

So I fucked off, gave up on anything related to SW, wallowed in misery while watching animu. But then this mess with TLJ happened and my fucking heart skipped a beat. Then there was that beautiful link to /sw/ on the top and I knew I had found some place I belonged. It was like one of those Christmas Specials where a guy actually gets what he wanted most… a second chance at happiness.

>>5469

Well, sonny, you came to the right place for this kind of thing. This is a place where you can build, if you put your fingers to it.

>>261 Like this. We want to make an EU proper-only wiki using Shoutwiki, but we need to recruit the right people for the job. Now I ain't no administrator, I'm just a writefag and speaker, but I figure this one would interest you. What's more, since you've been a member on theforce.net, you might know the handful of "malcontents" who still inhabit that place. We need as many of these characters as we can get, so that it doesn't just turn into another Star Wars FANDOM mirror without annoying ads and articles.

Back on topic, what would you want to do with that link to the Celestials?

>>4992

>>5109

>>5203

>>5251

The Madness over Korriban took place 2,040 years before the Battle of Yavin, and some historians have put it forth as one of the contributing events to the Fourth Great Schism, the New Sith Wars. But the immediate root of that singular tragedy can be traced to events five years earlier.

Contrary to popular belief in the Republic Core Worlds, the various sects of the Sith yet survived in the Galaxy after the Empire's fall. One such sect, the Phobic Cult of Ensnaring Terror, had designs on the artifact trade to Coruscant. The Republic had set an embargo on those polities which still answered to the Sith name, and registered their artifacts as contraband. But this only ensured a black market demand for them. Wealthy politicians, nobles, and even officers saw the myriad trinkets as objects d'art or trophies. Most of them were harmless or replicas, devoid of the baleful Sith power. In fact, the Phobic Cult commissioned a large number of those facsimiles to replace the genuine articles, encouraging wild conjecture and embellishment of their origins. It had become a long game to make as many Jedi or CMBI investigations as possible end in the exasperating discovery of false artifacts.

This happened enough times and embarrassed enough of the well-to-do that the Senate passed a bill relaxing some restrictions on the trade, and many Jedi accepted it with a shrug. Others, such as Jedi Masters Krez Tooak, Sath Antilles, and Senator Keol Munc, strenuously objected on the grounds that even one genuine Sith artifact could wreak havoc in the wrong hands. Supreme Chancellor Zolanz Kar had none of it. The last serious confrontation with the Sith had been generations ago in the Desolous War, and any artifacts of real power were "probably" long destroyed. "Find me something scarier than a bronzium figurine with pointed horns, and then we might talk." Unfortunately for Zolanz (and the rest of the Senate), someone took him at his word.

Some years passed, and the fad for artifacts grew. In that time, the Phobic Cult readied its masterstroke. It was arranged that with his more mundane purchases on the black market, Staff Aide Cotan Kru would come into the possession of an "extra" item: a beautiful, surprisingly light mantle of aurodium and chromium wings with a perfect ruby set in the center. Strange and tiny characters were etched into the sides and back of the mantle with laser precision. Whatever the source, Cotan delighted in the trinket, giving it to his young daughter Shala without a thought. She in turn wore it everywhere afterward, all eyes on it more than its wearer. Six months later, her father made the fateful decision to bring her into a Senate session as his own aide.

As she mounted the platform with Cotan and the Supreme Chancellor, the next moments would be replayed for decades to come. Shala's widened with surprise and her hands went to the suddenly heavy mantle. The chromium wing-tips turned to a darker substance (later proven to be neuranium) and then clamped down on the ruby like a vise. The ruby cracked, then shattered. A sound like the screams of the damned filled the Senate, followed by an almost tangible wave of force projecting in all directions. In milliseconds, Shala, Staff Aide Cotan, Chancellor Zolanz, and the occupants of the thirty one platforms closest to them collapsed limply to the floor. Forty five others who looked on this sight without technological aid suffered violent gibbering seizures. The Rotunda's emergency lighting came on for the first time in centuries. Every Jedi on the planet felt a surge of Dark Side malevolence and anguish in the Force. By the time they and any fast-response teams arrived, however, the damage was already done: Over one hundred beings had died in under ten seconds, the Supreme Chancellor and his staff among them. Only his frantic Vice Chair remained to take over.

op here

i found a site with pretty much every book ever made, it's called hungry ewok. i won't post the link, just to be safe, but if you jewgle it, it's the first result to pop up.

>>5604

It checks out, OP. Might want to look into those Jedi Apprentice books, if only to gain some more flavor. Definitely looking after the Luceno and Zahn shorts.

http://www.theforce.net/swtc/walkers.html Oho.

Catalogue

[ultra-heavy walker #1]

[heavy walker #1]

⇒SPHA-T artillery

All Terrain Heavy Enforcer (AT-HE)

All Terrain Armoured Transport (AT-AT)

[motion |capacity |weaponry |armour]

AT-AT Swimmer

[heavy biped #2]

All Terrain Attack Vehicle (AT-AV)

All Terrain Tactical Enforcer (AT-TE)

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Alright, I wanted to make a new thread for this, but I think it's better to discuss this beforehand since I haven't thought it through yet, it's more of a pipe dream presently.

After giving it some thought, I came to the conclusion that, since Disney has pretty much abandoned the EU for better or worse, it may be time for us fans to take control of it. Now, while I can understand that it's tempting to pick and choose to make our own canon, but I don't think that's sensible, at least not for what I have in mind.

If you start picking and choosing you are about to alienate a great number of people, since some people like stuff about the EU that others didn't. That may work for a board the size of /sw/, but that's not what I personally am going for here, because I'm all for expanding this effort to the rest of 8chan, maybe even to other sites and the fanbase at large. I say take the entire EU with all its faults, because it's the lowest common denominator, a baseline. The only thing I'd do to change it is cleaning up any possible continuity issues.

Once that's done we could expand this with our own, fan-made stories. There's still a lot of blanks to fill between the Old Republic and the Galactic Civil War, or even in the far future. Of course, we somehow would have to decide what would become part of the EU, which is admittedly a similar problem that we'd have if we'd pick and choose from the existing material. There's a few options, but as I've said, I haven't really thought it through yet.

So yeah, your opinion?

>>6456

Sounds good, and any inconsistencies can be explained off with some decent writing like what Chee used to do before he became Disney's lapdog.

>>6456

Alright. How do we curate the canon, though?

Does my Korriban story fit?

>>6460

>Alright. How do we curate the canon, though?

That's the tough question. Maybe we can formulate certain criteria, the put things to a vote. Or we could go with a "first come, first serve" mentality. I'd favor a democratic solution, but that would be really difficult to pull off since we have no proper means of polling.

>>6463

We could use strawpolls.

>>6468

Or this since it sounds more fun.

>>6474

That may work on the board, but as stated before, I'd kinda like this to take off in some way.

I've thought about strawpolls, but they basically manipulate themselves.

>>6475

One question though, how would we add this shit and archive it somewhere for people to read? It's still basically our fanfiction, and it could've worked as EU continuations if Disney had completely killed off the EU, but SWTOR is still running so we have a problem there and risks of contradictions, and we can't add shit like that to the wiki without it going from being a pro-wiki to a fanfiction wiki. Unless, we make an article on the wiki exclusive to documenting SWEU fanfiction that falls in line with the canon and is written exclusively to fit within the EU and has no political/sjw shit.

>>6476

There's talk about forking Wookiepedia >>261. If these guys really come through I'd use that.

SWTOR is a bit of a concern, I agree. But it should be easy enough to steer clear of it until EA pulls the plug.

>Unless, we make an article on the wiki exclusive to documenting SWEU fanfiction that falls in line with the canon and is written exclusively to fit within the EU and has no political/sjw shit.

I like that idea, but I don't think it'll fly unless it's a major effort coming from large parts of the fanbase.

>>6478

Good point. Still, maybe we should set up two wikis. One for official, pre-disney canon and one for documenting our stories/ideas. Like a fan-EU or Neo-EU.

>>6483

I'm against that idea, it's imperative that we work together as closely as possible. Fanfiction entries would need to be sufficiently marked, of course.

>>6484

But with that idea comes a lot of trouble. If we allow our ideas to be featured on the wiki, than that means anyone's idea can also be dropped in. I mean what if some jackass writers a story seemingly faithful to the EU but is loaded with tumblrisms or even the "mansplaining" maymay? A separate wiki for fanfiction material would be the best way to handle that kind of faggotry and keeping it from directly affecting the main EU wiki, which should be a chronicle of the history of SW before Disney.

Think any /pol/acks here might like this:

>But the Order was already changing, growing doctrinaire. Its masters had fallen prey to the whisperings of the Snouts—the Caamasi, those ancient beguilers of humanity. And they had fallen prey to the whisperings of their own ambition–the collective ambition that seeks to deny that of the individual, so that the strong can be weakened and ruled more easily.

—Arden Lyn, Lettow Legionnaire

op here, i've been thinking about making a discord server for the board, to organize this shit a bit better. of course, if you'd prefer we don't do it, not a problem, but if it might help, i don't see the harm in it. thoughts?

>>6732

discord is a botnet and data-mining application. IRC would be preferrable

>>6784

Also, don't we have that video chat in the rules sticky?

>>6754

>>6784

alright, so who wants to set up an irc? never used one before so i have no experience with this type of shit.

>>6784

>>6833

>>6754

I still think we should use the cytube that was set up. We can even apply a password to it. https://cytu.be/r/star-wars

But if you are all insistent on an IRC, we could try the name #8/sw/.

>>6838

Come in already, the Hutt and I are talking in there, and the comfiest audiobook we got is playing.

>>5583

So when's the next story?

On the subject of curating the lore, can we get a reading guide going? Best novels of each era to start out with, maybe throw in a recommended order later? I'm still somewhat new to the EU myself, so I'm having trouble figuring out where to go after Thrawn. The fact that my first exposure to the EU were the last book in the Legacy of the Force series (the one with Caedus) and the last in the Bane trilogy probably doesn't help.

I was underage b&, saw them in a used book sale.

>>7492

So just books in general? I suggest reading anything else by Zahn or Luceno for starters and maybe some of the stories featured in this fine thread: >>4842

>>7404

Soon. I just need to figure out how to write up the actual Madness in orbit. I would appreciate someone finding some capital ships and fighters from the time period or, failing that, the Galactic War. I intend to go into a higher level of autism for this.

By the way, I found this in my copy of Darth Plagueis:

STAR WARS—The Expanded Universe

>You saw the movies. You watched the cartoon series, or maybe played some of the video games. But did you know …

>In The Empire Strikes Back, Princess Leia Organa said to Han Solo, “I love you.” Han said, “I know.” But did you know that they actually got married? And had three Jedi children: the twins, Jacen and Jaina, and a younger son, Anakin?

>Luke Skywalker was trained as a Jedi by Obi-Wan Kenobi and Yoda. But did you know that, years later, he went on to revive the Jedi Order and its commitment to defending the galaxy from evil and injustice?

>Obi-Wan said to Luke, “For over a thousand generations, the Jedi Knights were the guardians of peace and justice in the Old Republic. Before the dark times. Before the Empire.” Did you know that over those millennia, legendary Jedi and infamous Sith Lords were adding their names to the annals of Republic history?

>Yoda explained that the dreaded Sith tend to come in twos: “Always two, there are. No more, no less. A Master, and an apprentice.” But did you know that the Sith didn’t always exist in pairs? “That at one time in the ancient Republic there were as many Sith as Jedi, until a Sith Lord named Darth Bane was the lone survivor of a great Sith war and created the “Rule of Two”?

>All this and much, much more is brought to life in the many novels and comics of the Star Wars expanded universe. You’ve seen the movies and watched the cartoon. Now venture out into the wider worlds of Star Wars!

>>7822

Yeah, that blurb is in almost all of the EU books. Makes me a little mad each time I read it because I can't help but remember Disney torched it all in favor of Lensflare Wars.

>>7404

I'm still working on it, but it's getting out of hand. Now there are two of them.

But in all seriousness, I just wanted to write a little bit about the Galactic Civil War in a remote system, and it's turning into more of a Star Wars version of Apocalypse Now.

>>7846

>Sith Empire-anon vs Old Republic-anon

Well this is appropriate.

Alright, since I've got the time on my hands; this is another excerpt. I haven't integrated it into the story yet, and it's a rough draft, so keep that in mind.

"They're friendlies", 991 said. Ren lowered his blaster. For some reason, he was not so sure.

A figure appeared between the branches, clad in what could only be described as the remains of a stormtrooper armor. Here and there, bits and pieces had been chipped away, a large crack ran across the breastplate. He was covered in mud and, if Ren's eyes didn't decieve him, had painted his armor in a reddish substance that looked like blood. On his right thigh, Ren saw a few black marks, as if he had kept score.

"Glory to the Empire", the stormtrooper said and saluted.

"You're in an awfully cheerful mood, soldier. At ease", Ren replied.

"That's because of the weather, sir. It has only now ceased to rain", the trooper said as he relaxed a bit too much for Ren's taste.

"What's your designation?", Ren asked, trying to get a look at what was behind the trooper, but the thick undergrowth blocked his view.

"IL-221, sir", he replied. "Glad to answer."

"What's with the decals?", Ren asked. "Armor customization is against regulations."

"I know, sir. Apologies, sir. We just saw fit to adjust the regulations in light of our current situation. Sir."

Ren frowned. Whatever was going on with this 221, nothing about it was right.

"Are you part of Firebase Red?", Ren asked, hoping to get at least some information out of him.

"Yes sir", 221 replied. "Do you bring new orders?"

"We don't", Ren said. "Command lost contact with you, they don't even know you're still alive."

"Oh", 221 said, sounding almost disappointed. "Well, we are. Come on."

He turned around and disappeared between the trees.

"What the hell?", 622 murmured, but Ren silenced him by raising his hand.

"Let's follow him", he said. "But keep your guard up. Something is not right at all."

>>7854

The camp, if anyone could call it that, was a desolate sight. A single tent stood amongst debris and piles of junk, while six stormtroopers, all similar in appearence to 221 were sitting around a camplight in the mud. They all turned their heads as Ren's squad entered the battered barricade, but none of them make any effort to salute or even stand up. Ren felt uneasy. He had the feeling that he was only wrong move away from getting a blast to his back.

"Who's in charge here?", he asked as he looked around.

"The Sarge. He's over there", 221 replied, pointing at a pair of legs sticking out from under a pile of rubble. "Communications went out two weeks ago, ever since the rebels cut power to the bunker with the relay", 221 continued, seemingly unperturbed. "Since we haven't recieved any new orders, we just followed the previous ones."

"Which were?"

"Holding the line to the last man", 221 replied, his chest swelling with pride. "If you take count, you'll see that we're close to accomplishing that goal."

Ren shook his head. "Do you know anything about what happened to the men guarding the crashsite?"

"No sir. As I've mentioned, communications went out", 221 said.

"Alright." Ren turned to his men, but they offered little comfort. They just stared back at him. "Fine", he said and turned back to 221. "You stay here. Just … keep following your orders. We'll send someone once we return to HQ."

"Understood, sir. Thank you, sir", 221 said, and saluted.

>>7857

Suddenly, a blaster shot ripped through the air, hit a nearby tree and set it aflame. Instinctively, Ren and his squad took cover, while 221 just turned his head.

"Oh boy! Another attack."

More blaster shots came from the forest, hitting the barricade and the trees around them. "You better get out of here, sir. We'll take care of everything." 221 raised his blaster and returned fire, while the other stormtroopers, except one, who didn't move at all and just kept staring into the camplight, got up, took cover and did the same.

"Good idea", Ren said. "Move out!"

Keeping their heads down, his squad left the relative safety of the barricades and returned into the undergrowth. While trying to get away from the fighting, Ren heard a bonechilling laugh. As he turned back, he saw a stormtrooper, possibly 221, who had climbed on the barricade, randomly firing into the jungle, while the others cheered him on.

"For the Empire!"

Ren clenched his teeth and led his men away, deeper into the forest. As the sounds of battle grew faint in the distance and were absorbed into the background noise of the rainforest, the war crys of Red Squad kept echoing in his head.

"For the Empire!"

Bump.

It would be a shame if this thread would fall off.

What unexplored or sparsely explored time periods do you want to see writing in?

Would it make sense for the Alliance to prefer setting up bases on worlds that had large battles during the Clone Wars? It was established all the way back in WEG's D6 stuff (it also appears briefly in the Thrawn trilogy when Luke first meets Joruus in person) that it's possible to scan a planet for "modern" technology and safe worlds eschewed this to avoid being found. Would all the wreckage provide a mask for more active rebel activities? It's already established they put up bases on Dantooine and Geonosis.

>>10141

>Dantooine

I can understand making a base on some backwater agriculture world, but why did they fight over it back in the Clone Wars?

>>11039

hm, what if sev is training them on dantooine, where the rebellion's old base is located?

>>10144

You answered yourself. Agricultural world. Food supplier. Clones need to eat.

>>11040

Isn't said base a quest hub in Galaxies? Admittedly Galaxies canon is loose and most official mentions elsewhere are just "A group of spacers were hired to do this quest".

>>10144

>During said battle, the Confederacy of Independent Systems used Dantooine as a staging point to launch an attack against the assault ship blockade around the InterGalactic Banking Clan headquarters. However, Jedi Master Mace Windu learned of the Confederate presence on Dantooine, and left with a force of clone troopers to halt the progress of the Separatists.

With the citation being the Essential Atlas.

According to my map, Dantooine has a hyperspace route to Mygeeto, so that makes sense.

>>5024

>rework

What EU events do you have in mind, that you think need reworking? I heard Truce at Bakura was clumsily done, but not having read it, I don't know how true this is, just for instance.

>>12382

I think Dawn of the Jedi, and any other works that misinterpret the dark/light dichotomy of the Force as Eastern dualism instead of Western good and evil could do with a soft reboot. The Vong arc could also be reworked to be a little less full of skub I'm guessing that if they didn't BTFO so many fan favorite planets so completely and irrevocably they'd be a lot more accepted. BDSM Tyranids are still a little weird for Star Wars, but the galaxy (and beyond) is a big place, no?, and I'm guessing most anons would prefer to ignore most of TOR and its tie-in literature.

>>12407

>the dichotomy

Ah, this. I must disagree on the grounds that Star Wars wouldn't be what it is without the blend of East and West. On the contrary, I'd rather it stressed more that the Jedi and Sith are caught in a cycle of hatred over what they both did to each other in the past, and they are both also a flawed interpretation of each Side of the Force. It is the Sith who remember why they hate the Jedi, and the Jedi have forgotten that origin point, either deliberately or by accident.

>Vong

Wouldn't the horror of their invasion be made somewhat lame if they only went after planets made up for the occasion, though? I can agree on it needing revision, but if the objection is to change instead of bad writing, the complaint looks childish. What I really want is for the status quo after the Vong are defeated (perhaps involving the Silentium for maximum poetic justice) to be drastically different. No sweeping a Galaxy-shaking invasion under the rug like it barely happened, I want the Vong to be involved in the politics and wars endemic to place. What's more, that the various forces are on the lookout for things coming from beyond in addition to each other. I'd rather something be done with the Celestials other than that silliness with the Three, for instance. Something involving links to this: >>5459 The return of the Gods, in other words, good and evil beyond measure. Perhaps these Things can even access the great Force-users found in the Netherworld and Chaos for their purposes, bringing warriors from before the Jedi into contact with the present. Antediluvian forces, heh.

>TOR

I say again, the main premise is sound. What needs doing is redoing it with less silliness and better writing, especially for the Emperor. Less power-wank, more utter creepiness with a mask of charisma.

>>12410

>Ah, this. I must disagree on the grounds that Star Wars wouldn't be what it is without the blend of East and West.

Oh, don't take that the wrong way, I'm not suggesting that the Sith be reduced to cartoon-villain tier parodies of "evil." Nor do I think the Jedi should be put on some pedestal of perfection either, layered complexity and depth makes for better characterization, more believable worldbuilding, and lays the groundwork for far more interesting plots. I'm just annoyed at the hipsters who insist that only the Eastern facets hold prominence, and that Sith doctrine is just as valid and relatable as Jedi teachings. Or worse, fedora-tipping Grey Jedi going "LOL both sides are dumb, I'm smarter than everyone because my OC DONUT STEEL character with a silver lightsaber can sit on the fence." In my opinion, it works best when the Jedi are undeniably the "good guys," but with a few glaring flaws, and the Sith are indisputably the "bad guys," but with several relatable qualities and ambitions.

<Vong

I must admit that I've yet to read the Vong books (but they're on my list), I'm just doing my best to interpret the complaints of others as I've seen them

>Wouldn't the horror of their invasion be made somewhat lame if they only went after planets made up for the occasion, though?

These planets can still be attacked, and still marked by war. The impression I got is that people objected to the sheer degree that these places got rekt, becoming so completely changed that they may as well have been destroyed. I feel that this doesn't have near as much story potential as leaving these places intact after the war, but permanently changed. To tie into your next point, examining these places pre- and post-Vong as a case study in how the status quo changes would be much more interesting than just writing off these places as destroyed for some cheap shock value, or them being so different that there's no effective continuity between the pre-war and post-war planet.

Just for example, take Yavin 4 and Coruscant. The praxeum and Massassi temples on the moon were destroyed completely, and much of the native wildlife was replaced by Vong terraforming. Luke writes off the academy there as irrecoverable, dismisses any notion of rebuilding, and Yavin is never again mentioned in the EU in any meaningful capacity. Boring, right? Coruscant, however, was still largely intact but had noticeable changes. Parts of the world were still scorched by war, there were Vong bio-computers living in the underlevels, et cetera. Because the world is intact, but different, the worldbuilding potential is much more compelling.

>I say again, the main premise is sound. What needs doing is redoing it with less silliness and better writing, especially for the Emperor. Less power-wank, more utter creepiness with a mask of charisma

That's fair, I was talking more about what was done with the characters of Revan and the Exile though.

I would like to contribute that the Vratix bacta is made from their shit, not some bullshit "excretion" as it was later re-told in cannon sources.

>>1103

KoTOR

I thought it was pretty well established that KoTOR 1 is the "Jedi" route, and KoTOR 2 is the "Sith" route in terms of cannon? That always made the most sense to me, with Revan being a dude and the Exile being a grill.

So how much of the Zann consortium and the events of Empire at War are we considering cannon since it's legitimately one of the better Star Wars games?

>>12430

How much of the Zann stuff would you call too silly?

>>14879

I think having Zann and friends steal a super star destroyer under the Empire's nose is going too far tbh.

Personally I think Forces of Corruption was pretty good in content, but the campaign's story is too much of an edgy OC fanfic vibe. It's the same thing for me The Force Unleashed

I support the idea of getting a group together to continue the EU. Not excluding writers out of the group, but having the group be a quality control and writers simultaneously. Make it a three step program:

1. Establish the canon works in the context of this continuity.

2. Write a couple of short stories to open up new storylines.

3. Work with this main group to write a collaborative story arc. Once you've finished at least one arc, allow for people outside the main group to submit stories and either have the main group be quality control or have the community's reception be the main decider for this canon.

>>15159

Me again.

Realized I was stupid and needed to lurk more. Noticed other people have basically the same idea, but overall taking the old EU in its entirety. That and more focus on community, though there will need to be some central group of some capacity for the Neo-EU as far as a wiki is concerned.

I say we take as much shit as we can from Legends Wookiepedia pages and use that as a baseline for a pure EU wiki. We then have another wiki or just have one wiki for both the pure, old EU and our Neo-EU.

I also think we should decide on an easy name for our new continuity rather quickly so everyone is on the same page quickly. A combined community is a strong community. Has anyone set up this wiki project yet? I'd be willing to see what I could do as far as helping people start.

Admittedly, I'm not vehemently anti-Dis, but I'm entirely pro-EU, so I think there are much better choices for wiki mods and admins. It's just important to me that we keep this universe alive.

I support the idea, but in my opinion:

1. It needs to reach beyond 8ch and become a thing among the oldfag fandom everywhere, to actually succeed. If you keep it contained, you *could* succeed but only on a microscopic scale: this would please the loner autist who considers it his life's top achievement, but it would still be irrelevant in the grand scheme of things.

2. You need to dig your heels in the underlying motivation and wear it on your sleeve. Are you just making 8ch's own canon? Boohoo, as much as 20 people worldwide would be interested. Are you restoring Canon for the Disney dissenters? That would be bigger, but still rooted in the for-against dichotomy of contemporary activism, which never gets what it wants anyway. Go all the way in, make this into the self fulfilling prophecy it wants to be: make a Restoration Canon for the After Disney phase of Star Wars.

Make star wars great again.

>>15160

We already have wikis, the problem is nobody's bothered to import all the codes for proper template functionality.

>>15168

Ah. Now that's an issue, but not a huge hurdle by any means.

Let me see what I can do.

>>15163

I agree. Bring Back Legends had a pretty big influence throughout the community. I think you don't have to actively search for Disney dissenters, as they are going to be in the big community you need to strike: people who love the old EU. If you made this project look like a natural progression of BBL and call it Legends Never Die or something like that, you could make interest in a wider group of people.

We'll still need a name for our version of the continuity to make things simpler on people coming in.

Does anyone want to start a Discord to make this discussion a little easier?

>>15173

Me again, again.

Read that people distrust Discord. That's fine.

I made a freenode irc channel for this project: #starwarseu

Hope that helps.

>>15173

what if we call it "the alliance to restore the expanded universe"

>>15178

A little long winded, but I like it as a project name. I like it a lot.

I maintain that the continuity needs a branding to make it more accessible. I'm sure many people dislike it, but Legends is pretty good branding as far as being memorable, simple, and easy to distinguish from Dis-canon. I've been tossing around a few nanes in my head, but they all sound pretty tacky. We'll find something soon.

>>15176

It helps, but we still need to update our wiki so that templates can work. I edited there a bit as the jillsarian user, but none of the templates I brought in worked properly. I tried importing some codes myself but that only got them half working while leaving a lot of visible errors for the image. And I honestly can't edit until the templates are working right again and I have a lot of articles I need to get started on. Also, assuming if we get the thing up and running right, and managed to transfer every "Legends" material from wookieepedia while updating and correcting the mistakes or missing materials they never finished, we would probably need only one thing to make our wiki stand above there's and that's some missing in-universe "news" articles that were never properly archived which were related to the Shadows of the Empire media.

>>15194

Understood. I haven't done a lot with wiki templates in a while, but if that's the best action to go forward, I'll go after it. Thanks, Anon. I registered a throwaway gmail in case we want a jewgle doc for our plans so we can be organized. If that avenue is distasteful for most users, pastebin could work, too.

I'll get started on template fuckery asap. We're using the wiki in the sticky post, correct?

>>15195

That's the one.

I can't get rid of this shit

>Expression error: Unrecognized punctuation character "{".

I've tried too many times before and I have no idea why it won't recognize it.

>>15194

>>15197

Hey, I see what you mean. I've been checking out the Palpatine page and have been skimming through it.(Added an image just to see if anything serious would be affected by cosmetic changes.) I'll be spending the next couple of days off work, so when I have free time. Good work on what you were able to get up and running. It's nice to know we have people with that kind of devotion. I'm sorry I only now just got here. If we can get the majority of templates up and running, I'm sure the rest will be way easier. HoloNet's completion is more important than writefagging currently, though we still need some people continuing that.

>>15204

That is some horseshit. Is it from custom stuff you're writing or stuff transferred from the other wiki? Is there any chance it's an artifact of conversion?

>>15205

Stuff transferred from the other wiki. Not sure why it keeps happening. Could be related to any of the templates that are connected to the infoboxes, or maybe its something to do with shoutwiki being unable to recognize something. If its the latter then we'll probably have to make templates from scratch, which is a shame since I'm kind of fond of the original ones myself.

http://swholonet.shoutwiki.com/wiki/Template:Tl

>>15207

I agree. Every other template seems to be transferring alright, so let me run a few tests on my talk page. I've been trying to fix this problem, too.

>>15207

I think you fixed it, Anon. Now just to get the image working.

>>15209

I thought I fixed it, but no. Apparently the {{{images|}}} infocell is the cause of the problem. Removing it removes the error but altering it breaks the whole template.

>>15210

Weird. Let me grab the template straight from the other wiki and see if it works now.

>>15210

I have to admit, anon, this is literal hell. Everything I've tried is a big fat goose egg. I gotta go for a tad, but I'm thinking about checking the character template to see if that could be possibly reorganized to work with Galaxy templating.

>>15212

Now you see my problem. This irksome shit became infuriating for me at one point that I couldn't bring myself to edit for a while. All I can say for certain is that the images are too blame. I just wish I knew how to fix the damn thing.

>>15213

Okay I give up on trying to make this template work like it did on the old wiki. So instead I just went with the only image code for templates I know, and thankfully that seems to have done the trick and it also got rid of the error. Problem is we'll have to manually put image widths into the infobox. So if anyone is reading this, remember: When adding images to infoboxes keep them at around 250px or less.

>>15214

Alright. Thanks, dude. I'll try to transfer more templates and pages when I can. I might just finish Palpatine and it's images when I get the chance.

>>15216

Great job! If the admin becomes active again I think you should definitely be a mod. And now that there are at least two people working on this, the workload should appear more appealing to others.

Once we get the wiki to a completed state, we should make either a sister-wiki of implement a system similar to the wikia for our community to separate EU stuff from the community continuity.

I say then we focus on getting writers together and spreading to further reaches of the Star Wars community.

>>15173

>We'll still need a name for our version of the continuity

AD Canon = After Disney Canon

The name alone makes it fact that Disney's has ended and we want out.

>>15224

So, I've been mulling over this and while I think it's effective, I doubt it's the right approach. Like others have said before, this can't just be a /sw/ project if it's going to go anywhere. There are a lot of people out there actively despising the Mouse canon, but it seems most of them are already passionate EU fans. I personally believe that if you just focus on love for the original canon, you'll get these people and people who are just as enthusiastic about the EU, just not particularly hateful of Disney.

All that said, I absolutely think we should take a vote before deciding on a name when we have more ideas.

>>15234

>oy vey control your optics

>let's vote democratically

>>15236

I'm sorry if I came off as a shill. I wasn't saying AD wouldn't work or shouldn't be chosen. I was just stating my personal concerns with it. If it's what everyone here wants, then my opinion doesn't really mean shit, anon. That's why I said we should vote.

I'm sorry if you mistook my intent. I'll just focus on the wiki for now once I get back to my computer.

>>15234

>Like others have said before, this can't just be a /sw/ project if it's going to go anywhere.

Someone already linked to a forum in the Battlefront thread that actively supports the EU. Try and recruit from there but avoid mentioning 8chan, unless you have to. As for names, AD seems the most fitting, or EUAD. But there's no rush honestly, we still have to get the first wiki into decent shape before we begin the project, unless there's enough people on here to work on both projects. I am concerned though that if the EUAD is managed by fans for fans and the fact that it'll have easy access to the public, then we risk inviting writers more interested in a message (Kate Leths and Kennedy types) rather than love for the story and universe. But again, maybe I'm over thinking things and it probably will never get that bad. The only real message that matters is that stories should inspire ideas and creativity along with interest in lore, not political propaganda a la Disney and Marvel.

>>15244

100% this.

That concern of political pandering was what made me think having a central group that did quality control on the stories of the AD canon so that stories wouldn't seep through that were just pander fests. Plus, there is always the chance that totally community controlled could lead to it being derailed by people like that to begin with. It's a tough situation. I don't like having a closed circle in charge, but it is arguably more awful to allow SJW influence to derail it.

As for not mentioning 8chan, that's likely for the best. During this phase we need to grow and not let too much crap divide us.

Holonet and some early writefagging is gonna be the most effective, though planning for the future is still important.

>>15244

>>15259

Agree with both. It would be nice to be open with ideas but we can't risk some assholes hijacking the story-driven charity for personal gain. I'll just keep doing my wiki shit, you fucks focus on anything else. I've been working on articles and image downloads since this morning so I think we'll soon have the wiki in a decent 100 article state. But first we need to fix some of the articles already in place, like Palpatine which has too many Legends links.

As for the EUAD or whateverthefuckwecallit, all I wanna do for it something in a similar vain to the Essential Guides or a bestiary of sorts on the many under explored fauna and flora of the galaxy for others to use in their stories if need be. I've also always wanted to do a kind of entry on possibly white-furred wookiee tribes that may live in the far north/colder regions of Kashyyyk, who are more primitive and savage. Does that sound interesting?

>>15267

That sounds like an amazing idea. I think while the wiki is being built, writefags should be working on guides for EUDAYMCA so that we can get some consistency. I've considered throwing out some ideas for some Post-Legacy content later on. 200 ABY or something, but it's best to get the busywork finished first.

Bad news nobody. I found a way to transfer all of the EU content on Wookieepedia over to HoloNet in one go. Problem is the Special:Import option is only accessible to the "Staff" ie the owners of Shoutwiki. Whoever's the main head honcho of HoloNet needs to send them a message to give us the right upload said content on to the wiki.

>>15324

Fuck yeah. Good job, dude. After this, I suppose we'll have to check over some of the info and go over information that was missing so we can work on summarizing and adding it.

Once it hits, we can start on the beginning pieces of our new canon.

Should one of us try to set-up a site to host the stories and mission statement of our project? I can do it soon, but if we have other options, then we should at least consider them.

Gonna post this idea here because writefaggotry is gonna be important once Staff gets online and the mass import happens. Tell me what I should plan differently or if the idea should be scrapped entirely.

>Around 200 ABY

>Galactic Federation Triumverant still has rule over the Galaxy, though some conflicts have challenged them over the years.

>The Empire is the most stable, Empress Marasiah Fel still alive and ruling. The Imperial Knights are well organized and respected, acting as an extension of the Force and their Empress. Unfortunately, the Empire's military and political influence is spread thin to compensate for the lack of military power in the Jedi Order and the Galactic Alliance.

>The Galactic Alliance, though unstable, has been reorganizes its government and assisting in development across the galaxy. Unfortunately, the early decision to keep the Alliance and Empire separate entities in the GFT has allowed political games to halt progress and has left their navy smaller and less influential than recent years have necessitated. Thankfully, Alliance systems have brought new advancements to technology, military and otherwise.

>The Jedi Order has recently undergone a schism due to the conflicts the galaxy has been facing. Knowing a disbanding of the Order would prove disastrous, they've split into three branches with their own Grand Master. Each branch has a different opinion of how the Jedi should move forward, though they all believe that a divided Order could lead to terrible consequences. One branch believes in the more individual-focused teachings of Luke Skywalker's age, another bases its ideals on the Old Jedi Order and their strict devotion to the Jedi Code, whilst the third desires a more militarized Order reminiscent of the Clone Wars era to prevent further conflicts that have been straining the GFT.

>The story would likely follow a survivor of a world that was attacked in the last decade who has started discover his force sensitivity and his trader friend as they travel towards Coruscant and the Jedi Order. During their travel, the Empress would be killed mysteriously and cause major unrest in the galaxy.

If this all sounds dumb, just say so, anons.

>>15736

Tell us who the enemy is, you faggamuffin.

>>15745

The way I have it thought out:

>The GA begins secretly constructing a superweapon in defense of any future attacks. This is found out by a high ranking Inperial Knight.

>The Imperial Knight begins to be pulled to the dark as he becomes more disillusioned with his faith in The Force and the state of the galaxy. He begins to revere the early days of the GFT, convincing himself that the efficiency and order came from the immediate escape of the chaos that Darth Krayt and Wredd had caused. The relative disarray of the GA and Jedi only pushes this belief further. Seeing as the Empire was keeping the peace more than the other factions, he decides that's where he'll need to take action.

>Taking advantage of the suspicious nature of the GA's new superweapon project, he betrays his loyalty and assassinates the Empress, careful to make it appear like a GA or Jedi crime. The Empress' vengeful heirs begin to mobilize and demand complete transparency from its allies.

>The GA and Jedi attempt to comply, but their already unstable organizations just lead to further blame from the Empire.

>The new Empress, under suggestions from the Imperial Knight who started this conflict, demands that the Jedi are removed from the GFT. Fearing complete takeover from the Imperials in that scenario, the Alliance allies with the Jedi Order and prepares for war.

>The Imperial Knight begins to fall more to the dark, secretly gathering more dissident groups to prepare for a campaign against the warring GFT when the time is right.

>After many battles, several large scale ones, the GFT learns how it was deceived by the Knight.

>The Knight has begun openly commanding the opposition, foreseeing his discovery.

>The opposition takes control of the half-finished superweapon, devastating an Imperial controlled core world.

>The Jedi Order reunites for the remainder of the war, working the Empire and GA to push back campaign against them, overwhelming the dissenting forces, destroying the superweapon and confronting the Imperial Knight as he sees his dream of a more united, stronger galaxy fulfilled through his death.

>>4291

>The besieged Yevetha continued to refuse outside help, and were eventually rendered nearly extinct.[2] While many believed the species had been destroyed, it was speculated by some that their expansionist tendencies might have resulted in some colonies that escaped the notice of the Yuuzhan Vong.[1] In fact, after the fall of N'zoth, it was estimated that fewer than ten thousand Yevetha were still alive in the galaxy.[14]

Nah, there's some around somewhere. I have every bit of faith they'd try to renew their empire. Maybe come back to reclaim their homeworld or reform some aspect of themselves so they wouldn't end up on the losing side of another invasion. Or maybe there could be a story following a team or set of teams trying to locate an isolated location that best mimicked their homeworld. Or tried to unite the last few settlements into something formidably defensive.

>>15931

I like these ideas a lot. I'd love to read a story of the Yevetha sending small groups of their survivors to some Outer Rim, possibly even Unknown Regions, worlds, their xenophobia likely increasing massively after the devastation that the Vong wrought. I'd really like to see what some of our writefags here could cook up.

>>15946

I'd want it entirely from their point of view, too. I want to see them struggling with their culture, the fear of being found, the issue of subjugating a planet while faced with dwindling resources without getting sideswiped by any potential interlopers. Perhaps there's a brush with a scouting ship and the main character has to deal with the risks of bringing in the unwanted attention of a larger, stronger threat of whoever sent it. Show how they'd handle any captives to see what they can gain or be genuinely worried as to whether what little they have can stand up to whatever sent the scout ship. The higher number of lower castes vs. the bare minimum higher castes, society trying to reorient itself and all that amongst this threat, real or imagined.

>>15969

Though I don't think I could write either, having one anon write this side story and another writing a larger story encompassing more of the galaxy could work. They could work together so they're consistent with one another.

>>15736

>>15760

Bumping to see people's opinions on this proposed story.

>>16616

I honestly like it. If the wiki shit works out, the other wiki should cover it.

>>16621

Thank you. I can get to working on it soon, but I do want to see if people have suggestions for technology to be featured, things that could help it be more cohesive, or just plot points people think should be changed.

I'll have to come up with an interesting superweapon, regardless.

Also, I can assist in the wiki page. I have no issue, there.

I also want to propose something, I've thought about that for a while now. As far as I know, there's a 3000-year timespan between TOR and Darth Bane, where nothing is happening. I'm interested in fleshing that era out a bit, though I don't really have any concrete ideas on what would be going on in the galaxy at that time or how to seamlessly connect it with the EU.

Anyone interested in such an endeavour?

>>16904

3000 years a fuck long period for almost an infinite number of stories to take place in.

>>16905

My point exactly. I'd like to single out a timespan of about 10 years, and flesh it out a bit to use as a potential basis for stories.

>>16906

The guy doing the 200 ABY story here.

I'd be willing to reference a plot point or something you set up in a notable way. I've also been thinking about a few things you could explore that might fit into that gap.

>A group of explorers colonizing the outer rim or interacting with cultures. Perhaps headed by a few Jedi, maybe even a spiritual precursor to the Outbound Flight, keeping within the galaxy.

>Technological breakthroughs divide some of the galaxy, maybe heading a small revolt that some Sith capitalize on.

>Focus on an individual species attempting to connect with more of the galaxy, joining the Old Republic.

That's all I got right now.

>>16919

Some good ideas there. I'll think about it, maybe we can get a few guys from /tg/ on board to help with the setting.

Also, what do you think about creating a new board to keep track of individual projects and keeping this thread for meta discussion?

>>16946

Maybe. Splitting a small project up at the beginning is usually a bad choice and cripples it in the start from what I've seen, but if people here are dedicated enough to stay informed on two boards, I guess it's good dor organization.

>>16919

It's been about six months, but I'm back. I wrote a rough outline of the more complete story a while back and I'm gonna attempt to write and finish the 200 ABY idea. I'll probably toss a few chapters out and see what needs fixing now and again. Feels good to be back, /sw/

>>23938

Welcome back storyfag. Seems a lot of anons were on a six month-long break. This place has been jumping in activity this month compared to how dead it was.

>>23939

Thanks, Anon. I wonder why now all of a sudden. At the very least, we'll have more people discussing the EU, maybe even more if Disney does as expected and continues this line of failures.

Any suggestions for where to upload chapters as they're completed? I'd put them here, but the posts would be incredibly excessive due to the character limit.

>>23941

>where to upload

What happened to that wiki project some anons were working on?

>>23947

It's still up, but that's for EU info, not fanon. It would likely be better to find a hosting site or make them PDFs.

>>23942

This thread is discussing the concept and approach that should be taken to continue, refine, and add to the EU in a notable, organized fashion. Not sure how we would determine what is considered canon, but I'm sure we could devise a way. There were a few ideas thrown about, but nothing concrete as of yet. If you have any ideas for stories, feel free to share.

>>23941

>Any suggestions for where to upload chapters as they're completed?

i guess generally any fanfic site would do, so long as it allows for scifi content. might also consider linking on some of the normalfag websites to garner attention, just to make the lucasfilm and disney faggots ree for lulz.

>>23966

I like the old fashioned, "If it's good and it doesn't interfere with other good stories, it's canon. And if it's shit, or if it interferes with better stories (even if on its own it's okay) then it isn't canon. With the six Lucas films trumping everything since they are the core of the universe.

Out curiosity, what's your guys' stance on my TOR Separatist Canon thread? I've been trying to make it fit with Legends as much as possible as I'm currently only in the KOTOR-era, (not sure if I'll ever leave it to be honest) and I'm trying less to make my own canon and more to flesh out the bare-bones lore that is the Mando Wars leading into KOTOR proper.

>>23992

A good policy to have. I think having most of the works be digital will also work to assist good stories not getting thrown out over minor continuity errors. Edits can be made as needed, as long as they're not plot dependent on said errors. Overall, just having an active group of dedicated people discussing the lore assists in providing better quality and consistency of writing.

>>23994

I read through a bit of it. I think it's good idea to focus more on refining the established lore before moving onto creating more to fit into the universe. The ideas being discussed there to fill in some of the gaps seem solid. I need to reacquaint myself with the TOR lore again before I can start discussing it at length. My reason for attempting to expand the lore forward is to both give myself a reasonable era where I can tell a good story and give a lot of free space to other writers to tell better stories and explore subjects they can do justice to. Expanding forward also doesn't interfere with the EU as it was left, so it could be easily discarded or ignored by those who don't feel too much should be added. I am personally opposed to too much tampering with established lore, however, so the ideas in the TOR thread do catch my interest. It seems everything proposed there goes to the service the lore, rather than change or add pointlessly.

I'm planning on making a thread independent of this one for the 200 ABY stuff, so I can go into detail over all of the worldbuilding details and so that anons can call me out if I fuck something up. I'll likely sage most of the posts, so it doesn't shit up the front page needlessly.

As for this thread, I think for the time being, planning more additions to the lore or just trying to refine canon is a good place to continue. I'll try to stay involved and informed for discussion.

>>2829

>hating on Skippy

Fuck you!

>>24081

it's cute but it's for kids