/sw/ - Star Wars

this is what happens when you trade dark horse for nu marvel.

the cons of cutting costs.

>>266

Even that new Leia comic was an atrocity. Even at its worst, the old EU comics had a steady flow of good, decent and bad, but now its just consistently bad to occasionally mediocre.

>>325

>one of two sexes, or genders

Saying sexes and genders are the same thing? That's transphobic!

>>327

It actually used to say "and" instead of "or" but changed it because the new management and userbage thought it was transphobic unlike the old version of Sexes which never even treated genders as a real thing. Just as another word for sex so others wouldn't confuse it for the act of reproduction.

Is there any backup of the wiki before the cuckening of SW?

>>325

>facilitator drones

HOMESTUCK

>>412

Sadly no. Some thought of making a new wiki called disneystarwars wiki, but the bastards at wiki staff and that manipulative shit Brandon Rhea put a stop to any of that and basically overthrew any differing ideals. It was either submit or be gone. Only thing worse than the new almost empty or garbage replacers is that the old "Legends" articles are falling into disrepair…

>>466 (checked)

A few years ago I would have lambasted such a comment with the programming I had been taught.

But it's just so blatant now there is no way you can't say it.

The Jews killed Star Wars.

Just like the Jews killed Christ.

>>302

Typical SJW shit and delusion. They refuse to realize that gender has no phsyical component and is only for pronouns.>>266 They really should have least had the EU stuff be AU.

>>694

>Jews killed Star Wars

Highly true. But I think this analogy fits better:

JEWS KILLED STAR WARS

JUST AS THE JEWS KILLED ROME!

>>747

And that filthy fucker was a member of staff too so he could get away with changing whatever he wants and making others submit to his will. Fucker never even saw the original movies until he started watching Clone Wars.

>>789

Is he the same jerk who unilaterally decided that all of the articles about TOR would assume Light decisions were canon for Republic stories and Dark for Sith Empire, and who snarked and banned whoever offered something different?

>>794

Yep. That's the one.

>>789

Indeed. Also, what was the main motivation for the works of the Expanded Universe to all become non-canon? What does Disney have to fear from those works?

>>808

I guess they must've been afraid that EU authors might demand more royalties for referencing their media even though that's never been an issue before and only goes to show how moronically paranoid Disney is. Either that or they thought the EU was too triggering. Either way, reprinting definitely wasn't an issue since its exactly what those bastards are doing now. And also Brandon Rhea was a massive Disney shill. You couldn't question the guy or deny his demands without him writing some moronic counter-arguments or pretending to give up on the subject only to bring it up later. And he even had no issues using his friends on the moronic fanon wiki and central to have them shill or vote for his own ideas. The staff really whored out to the big media like Disney, they're even doing actual ads for them now… How sickening.

>>822

>The stated explanation was that they just wanted to write their own lore without having to accommodate thirty years of chronology or putting up with turbo nerds complaining that their material didn't jive with the rest of the EU.

and yet they stated that they would draw inspiration from it.

aka "we can't come up with anything as good as this, so we're gonna re-hash it by changing names and genders and then throw down retard logic because it's space magic lol fuck you racist sexist pigs"

>>838

The Lucasfilm story group, which last time I checked included Leland Che, Pablo Hidalgo, and Kathleen Kennedy, is supposed to just check over whatever EU writers create to make sure it doesn't conflict with anything established as canon after the Disney annexation.

In theory this lets veteran creatives use whatever they want from their prior works as long as nothing about it inherently challenges the movies or cartoons. James Luceno, for example, resurrected COMPNOR and imported plot points from his Plagueis novel without trouble. The problem is that somebody in that group, no points for guessing who, is making executive demands of these same writers to fulfill a diversity quota.

So theoretically somebody could write a new story about a Sith lord of yore and name him Naga Sadow but they'd get arm-twisted into mentioning or implying that he was bisexual and had a harem of slaves that included 5.5 genders.

>>826

>George Lucas should have held on to Lucasfilm a tad longer and either sold Lucasfilm to either 20th century Fox, a close friend of his, Paramount, or took ownership of it to his grave.

But that sadly wasn't the case and there's no way Disney will give up on Star Wars now. Fucking damn you Lucas.

>>826

>Doctor Who

Some of their worst EU autism was actually made canon with that one short episode with Paul McGann a few years back. For the most part though all the old fans are LONG GONE. Speaking as one myself, the hardcore guys left around the time of Tennant's first Christmas special and the hamfisted leftist drivel that was in it after being extremely underwhelmed with the last few stories from Chris' season.

>SW

I'd say that SW is pretty damn close to Dr. Who in this regard now, Disney is quite happy to scream from the rooftops that they want old fans to fuck off and many seem happy to oblige after TFA. Of course this means they have no autisticly loyal core audience due to this so as shitties keep getting released, the IP is going to look increasingly less attractive to produce anything for.

>Robotech

Can't really intelligently comment on this since I haven't been keeping up with this one.

And, you forgot something:

>Star Trek

This is actually somewhat healthier than SW at this point since they retired the old universe for a time and thus left the core storyline "safe" from modern Hollywood idiocy, and they made some money off of their Abrams films even if people now readily admit that Abrams first shot at it was mediocre at best and that Into Darkness and Beyond were re-fried trash. However since the primary universe for ST is set to return shortly with an online webshow that the producers are screaming from the rooftops will contain all sorts of faggotry and SocJus trash then look a fairly aggressive decline to occur soon.

>>901

>>901

Even Gourmanda is still canon, so really fans who complained that they wanted the EU gone solely because all they knew about it was the Holiday Special were sorely mistaken in thinking that Disney cared about retconning it. The damn thing was a big gathering of celebrities under one of the biggest IPs of all time during it birth and featured on the most popular holiday of the year. Of course its not something they're gonna toss away with ease. The shit is still around but they got rid of everything else that was worth a damn. Even the fags at The New Yorker realize that fanfiction is better written than Rogue One, hell if it had been an adaptation of Katarn's exploits that would've blown them all out of the water.

>>901

>>907

Who trolled you and said that the Holiday Special was still considered canon?

Everything that existed before the Disney buyout that wasn't the core six movies or CGI Clone Wars was wiped from the chronology. The Holiday Special isn't any more canon than Shadows of the Empire.

>>923

unpopular opinion here, but i enjoy the trek reboots (except the last one). i know into darkness was a shitty WoK remake, but the other subplot of admiral robocop planting false flag attacks on starfleet in order to force rapid militarization so he can have the all-out war with the klingons was good imo. had they kept john harrison as an original character, and simply the perpetrator of the attacks and not khan, i think it would have been a much stronger film.

>>925

It would have been less insulting. But, there would still be significant technical and production issues. The flat acting - was anyone really moved by nuPike dying or nuKirk's reaction to it? The disjointed plot, like how does a transport beam work better than a ship with a warp drive to get from Earth to IKS space, or indeed why not just teleport the torpedoes to IKS space and leave evidence in them that they are Fed devices…not even talking about points in the movie AFTER Khan is revealed or the stuff at the very beginning of the film either. And then there's uneven pacing (tense chase scene interrupted by a romance bitch fit for no reason, slow dialogue sections in bits with combat), and the Abrams well documented obsession with tacky post production details.

Honestly the only reason Into Darkness works is because Khan is the villain, but it's also the biggest problem with the film in general. At the very least it needed a complete re-write across the board.

>>927

>The flat acting

anyone who isn't a stage actor can't actually act.

you go look up all the best people you can think of, guaranteed they have theater experience.

>>447

There are things MUCH MORE worthy of blowing a gasket over than overt use of the word "swiveling". For example the "4 genders" bullshit that has little substance. I mean, what the hell are those 2 or more genders even called, if they are supposed exist in the galaxy?

>Muh GENDER IS NOT JUST a pronoun CISPIG!

Other than the Xi'Dec and their living relatives, the most sexes a species has are 2 or 3(Fnessians for example)! Talk about FUCKING TOKENISM AND BULLCRAP!

Also, some may sperg out at this, but I honestly think that at least some of the EU books and TV shows never deserved to become canon ever, eve if Kathleen "femicommie" Kennedy(and maybe current era Pablo) had never become part of Lucasfilm during the time of Disney buying the franchise from George. I thought "Shadows of the Empire" looked promising from what I skimmed of it, and Crystal Star might have good stuff in it for me, and I really liked the 2003 Tartakovsky Cartoon Cartoon Network mini-series. However Lucas went too far in how he allowed so many different authors to make novels and cartoon adaptations based on the main series, either because they aren't that good, or they contradict some major details in the movies. Ewoks cartoon, the Holiday special from 1978, some of the Kyle Katarn books(particularly the ones taking place just before "A New Hope") , Shadows of the Empire, the latter, if not both Ewok adventures TV specials, The Han Solo book Trilogy, and I will admit, the Emmy-winning Tartakovsky cartoon mini-series I am fine with being being not considered canon. The Zahn Novels, Lando books, some of the comics, maybe Crystal Star, and Splinter of the Minds Eye, I am not fine with.

>>928

That's not too inaccurate. I remember Charlton Heston said, a few years before he died, that he would always ask people if they had done any Shakespeare due to thoughts along those lines. He didn't think you had gotten your acting stripes unless you had done things of that caliber in the past.

>>963

Anywhere except wikia, otherwise (as noted above) Fagdon Rhea will whine and shut it down for no good reason.

Of course, there's the issue of finding a free alternative wiki builder…

>>964

How sure are you about Fucker Rhea would blow a gasket, whine and bitch about it and succeed at shutting it down even if current Disney CEO Bob Iger doesn't personally order for a C&D? There is a chance that they would end up going to court about it rather than instant shutdown. Disney has experienced a handful of court cases that they lost to the other side. One could make an entire new wiki based on Wikipedia's code, of build a new website based on C++ or Python code.

>>962

and for good reason, shakespeare lingo is so ridiculous, if you can remember all the err's and quo's, reading straight english is a fucking picnic. i tried that shit in 4th grade and it was a good challenge.

but the reason i say that is because doing stage brings a whole different slew of talent as opposed to someone just acting on a screen. you don't get to do takes during a performance, it's all or nothing.

>>968

I don't even know who the three in the middle are (and I'm taking that as a "good" thing)

>>1011

all disney ever wanted was shekels

>>1012

Like you even care about knowing the history of Disney and its founders.

>>912

Life Day has been referenced in the awful new EU as well as Gourmanda.

>>963

I would've preferred it if they had just made a disneystarwars.wikia.com for their shit new canon instead of messing up the quality of the wiki and dividing up the pages.

>>964

>>965

Rhea is without a doubt a whiny bitch and pretty abuses his status to insert his fist into every major SW wiki and make sure that it suits his preferences. Fucker should've just stayed in his fanfiction wiki containment zone.

>>1011

I wasn't suggesting that Disney was always jewed. I remember when they made good animated movies too. However, they are most definitely jewed now and they're unlikely to get unjewed any time soon.

>>1017

wait what, who

Why is Darth Vader there?

What's this from?

What year was it made?

>>1019

What happens when the "Legends" page is scuttled, I'm sure Disney might try that telling to take down all "their" content which happens to be all from the EU in order to shill Nu-Cannon.

>>261

>3 good movies, 3 average to mediocre movies, and 3 new films that are unoriginal and overhyped generic dirt

more like 3 average to mediocre movies, 3 childish shitfest movies, 3 new films that are unoriginal and overhyped

>>1035

>>>/out/

Everything is canon now so the comics and books can't stray too far from the future movies or intrude on anything future writers might come up with.

>>1039

What makes you so sure that Disney won't detonate the cannon again? The batch of fans into the Nu-Lore would probably be ok with it at as well.

They make three movies and then start in another galaxy or some shit and make three more movies not based on the previous but using all the classic imagery of Star Wars. They could probably keep that going for decades.

>>1014

if walt gave a fuck, he wouldn't have let the company fall into the kike's hands.

>>827

at this point, they're selectively re-canonizing old republic content when it fits their MO. a few planets and the hammerhead cruiser (redesigned) are all we've got so far.

>>1049

there was a revan figure made a few years ago, good luck finding one now though. the new one is practically impossible to find as well.

tbh anon, i caved and bought that new revan figure, it's so fucking fantastic and makes me glad that they at least recognized one thing the community agrees on; that revan is the shit and deserves to be canon

>>1065

I know

I was back in middle school when the Revan figure came out, and was just getting into Star Wars. I found the Malak figure at Toys'rus and spent almost 3 hours trying to find Revan, to no avail

I know that feel though

>>1065

Walt died in 1966 of Cancer. Some of his then-living blood relatives and at least one then-board member who was not related took charge of the Disney company at different times, with Roy being the first successor. It was not until 1984 when Jewish influence finally succeeded in taking control of most, if not all, higher offices(such as Katzenberg becoming a big roll in the primary animation department, and Michael Eisner taking the CEO position after Miller quit, respectively) in the company. Katzenberg later left in the mid-1990s, and Eisner decided to leave his CEO position in mid-2005, only to be replaced by another Jew, Bob Iger.

>>1065

>that revan is the shit and deserves to be canon

>deserves to be in Disney™ nuwars™ canon™

>>1049

>>1070

>actually wanting that

>not realizing what that would mean

>tbh revan does deserve that, he's a shit character to begin with

>>1017

>what is this crap

Nu-Star Wars, brought to you by Disney.

>>1071

kek

>>1070

no anon, if it had been in that episode of the clone wars pre-disney i would have been fine with it, but now that we're post-lucas, i have no desire to see anymore of the true canon become demagogues

>>1033

>What year was it made?

Current year of 2016. Some comic where Vader was working with a Mary Sue and where he bought an evil R2D2 and C3PO who were black…

>>1039

What bullshit are you spewing? The original Thrawn and Zahn novels are no longer canon as well as anything that messes with the shitty new movies.

Those bastards… Those fucking hypocrites shat on us for years for having wolfman and centaur-based life forms, yet these DisneyEU fucks add elves and pixies and suddenly all those complaints go out the window. Fuck every last one of these hypocritical Disney fans.

http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Elf

>>1116

He means that everything created after Disney purchased the IP is part of a unified canon without varying degrees of authenticity as existed with the old tier system before. Unless stated otherwise, every novel, source book, cartoon, or whatever in the new expanded universe is supposed to be checked over to make sure it's consistent with the lore as a whole. That was part of the agenda with rebooting the lore.

Lucas was pretty absolute and anal about Star Wars being a certain kind of story and gave no fucks about retconning what he didn't like as soon as it came to his attention even years after it was established in EU material. Much of the creative freedom enjoyed by Legends era EU authors was because Lucas just didn't pay attention and Leland Che was rather open-minded unless something violated the broad strokes of Lucas' ideals.

With Disney's new unified and equal canon, though, things are going to be much more tightly controlled in the beginning. I think they're naive if they believe the new EU won't get comparably tangled in the future, though. At some point contradictions are overlooked and retcons have to be issued. There just get to be too many pots and cooks in the kitchen.

>>1143

Disney likely gives even less fucks about continuity than Lucas and will end up making an even bigger mess in the long run.

Wikis are run by turbo autists and while in practice normal people should be able to contribute they never do because the turbo autists keep it locked down. The whole concept is a sham.

>>1974

How did that work? What did he threaten you with?

>>4136

Was that really supposed to be a Rakata, or was it just some kind of Easter egg thing like Goofy being in the Geonosian arena audience?

>>4162

According to the author, it was the real deal…

>>4168

>author

NAME

>>1992

> didn't even spell impeached correctly

Disgusting.

>>4682

Yes! But how?

>>4750

All the articles on Wookieepedia fall under the CC-BY-SA license (http://www.wikia.com/Licensing), so we could copy 6 paste all the old articles into a new wiki, right? Not sure if Disney would be OK with using pictures, soundfiles, &c., though.

Hell, they might even try to shut it down nonetheless, give us a cease and desist warning from their lawyers.

I think it’d be nice to have a fully working SW wiki that is free of anything Disney-related though.

>>4751

There's a full dump of all articles about a week ago here:

http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Special:Statistics

There's even one with the full edit history.

Wikia is not as pleasant about mirroring as Wikipedia, but it uses the same software, and some wikis have dumps available.

>>4765

What would the new wiki be called?

>>4768

You're spriraling into the logo-hole. Don't do that.

>>4768

Jedipedia.

>>4785

Wikia doesn't even own the content, and the content is explicitly licensed in a way that allows you to do that.

Make clear where you got it from and you're good to go, as far as I know.

>>4228

>Charles Soule

Alright, so we have someone to blame now. Was the rest of the writing okay?

>>4785

HoloNet sounds best.

Funny, isn't it? How Disney sets up an organization called the "Resistance" as heroes, and yet our works are more akin to what that title means.

>>4785

Wikia never gave two shits when fanon wikis would copy shit off the official wikis before the whole shitty site was re-branded "FANDOM".

>>4814

Wookieepedia was literally one of the biggest (if not the biggest) fucking fanbased encyclopedias out there. Now look at them.

>>4824

>she screams in interviews over Kylo Ren shirtless and identifies as a Finn/Poe shipper.

She deserved every edit tbh vortfam.

>>4824

Well damn it, they deleted the edits themselves. Even Wikipedia bothers to archive past edits even when they're vandalism. Fuck. http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Rose_Tico

>>4824

I wish I could take credit for it, but I'm pretty sure only people who get paid by Disney update Wookieepedia any longer.

>>4827

Brendon Rhea can attest to that since the dirty fucker and his cronies have even been gotten interviews with officials at Disney and the site went from being the "fan-based" encyclopedia to "the official" encyclopedia. Disney bought out these wiki fuckers.

>>4814

Wikipedia mirrors exist.

>>4131

thanks I'm now vomiting uncontrollably

>>4785

I would like to impregnate Juno Eclipse

>>4873

Well then, when and how do we get started?

>>4924

I would think that the Wookiepedia old guard would be interested, yes. From what I understand, the Canon/Legends introduction was and continues to be a frustrating clusterfuck for any of them who cares. All the old Star Wars fora are recruiting grounds for this effort, even The Gungan Council, if they're still around. A glance into The Force forums tells me folk have been there since the days of the Prequel trilogy (at least Episode II with one), which in turn gives me reason to think that men of character (or at least those disgruntled with the current state of affairs) are among them. We'll need all the help we can get, and a clear message that we answer to no one once the effort gets going.

>old articles

I suggest we keep ones like Death, as funny things happen with that in the Galaxy.

>>4927

>>4924

But chairs and rodian with a jacket were what brought some light-hearted humor to the wiki's usually no-nonsense smug attitude.

>>4924

>Wikia is probably our best option

Wikia is shit.

Maybe Shoutwiki.

>>4937

Why there?

>>4935

True, Wookiepedia did have a sense of humor.

>>5000

Not to mention the current wookieepedia deleted all of its humorous articles. Including Chairs, Rodio with a jacket and tables. Only one left is "Catboy" which they butchered to shit last time I checked.

>>4937

>Wikia

Absolutely not. That shit hole is now riddled with ads and awful advertisements for their blogs which all revolve around the latest progressive elements in media or "muh PICKLE RICK".

>>827

cuz the sith species myth reflects banking clan and khazars too much

>>5055

Sorry dubsman /pol/, but no.

>At least 6,000 years before the Clone Wars[12] after the Hundred-Year Darkness[14]

Still part of the Dis-Sith.

>>5034

Do we have the old articles archived? Man, Disney sure is humorless when they want to be.

Also, how do we begin the recruitment drive for this effort?

http://www.shoutwiki.com/wiki/Main_Page

It says ad-supported. I take this is different for lacking all those silly blogs and stuff?

>>4824

> Writer Bryan Young, who posted a screenshot of the racist attacks on Twitter, told Newsweek that he was alerted to the changes by a friend on Tuesday.

I think it's pretty clear that it's that guy who did it.

>>5092

Shoutwiki is definitely a better alternative than Wikia. And just so you know, Wikia is no longer called Wikia. They renamed themselves FANDOM, as some kind of branding/merchandise thing.

>>5120

Anyone here got any experience with Shoutwiki?

Do they use the same license as Wikia?

>>5120

>>5128

Alright, so we've settled on Shoutwiki as the medium we'll use. So, how will we go about staffing this project, and how will we mirror the data over?

One thing I suggest is calling the discussion forum of this place "Byss," just to hammer home what we are.

>>968

>Only good looking modern star wars girl on the frontpage

Oh well, at least people still have a modicum of taste

>>5470

Why not "Bastion"? The Wiki would be a bastion for the old EU and share the same name as the capital of the Imperial Remnant post-Coruscant.

This is why you fuckers need a Warhammer 40k style canon. All works are canon, but not all are true.

>>5477

Point. Also, Bastion was never lost, let alone blown up.

>>5478

That'd be great, but how do you implement that?

>>5479

Same way 40k's wiki does. Just write everything in, even if it is self-contradictory and give references. Or just prioritize the films in the same way 40k fans prioritize codexes. If not directly contradicted by recent lore, consider it canon. Or just pull an Ollanius Pius and consider it canon anyways because its cooler than new lore.

There is an issue though. In 40k's case it makes sense that not everything is true, because the human imperium is a facist orwellian hellhole, and most of the other races are worse. So anything could be propaganda

>>5479

Hell, speaking of 40k, if you want an idea of what an imageboard-based wiki looks like, look no further than 1d4chan. It's a wiki created by /tg/ to cover tabletop gaming. It contains everything from articles about 40k canon, to pages about the origin of /tg/ memes, to miniature painting tutorials and archives of notable threads

>>5481

even with all of the memes and silliness, 1d4chan is a good go to for 40k because it's also really fucking anal about cannon and lore, even with all of the angry marine memes and such. Basis a wiki off of the same sort of organization that 1d4chan is based off of isn't a half bad idea.

You guys do realise the old canon stuff is preserved under the One True Lore tab on most pages right? That said I'm all for distancing from the new canon. A lot of the One True Lore pages actually haven't been edited in while and don't account for Fate of the Jedi/Crucible stories.

Would also like to point out that Halo, for example, has two distinct big wikis:

https://www.halopedia.org

http://halo.wikia.com/wiki/Halo_Nation

If anybody wants to actually do this I'd be happy to help. We can probably outclass them by getting better quality images straight from the source and actually finishing the synopsis of old canon stories.

The question is, Clone Wars is One True Lore even if it did brazenly rewrite the era. Do we include that? How about Rebels? It's Disney and it's shit, but it does at least continue the stories of Ahsoka and Rex, making it a somewhat necessary addition if you accept Clone Wars.

www.mediawiki.org

>>5483

we can always mark 09 wars as semi-EU due to being made pre-purchase but having rewrote quite a fair bit of lore post-purchase.

>>5490

The Force unleashed novels pretty much rewrote the story to make Starkiller less OP and fit with the canon. Instead of taking on AT St walkers in a straight fight on Kashyyk he sneaks around and mind tricks the drivers. Instead of bringing down a star destroyer with the force he just uses the ore cannon. Stuff like that. Agree with continuity bubble idea.

>>5490

should we include any Disney era stuff such as the books, "Tarkin" and "Thrawn" in it's own separate bubble as "approved" Disney lore that isn't total shit?

>>5493

so we're considering Sheev as canon then if we're taking Tarkin as canceled Media?

As for Thrawn, while it was written under Disney rule, it was written by Zahn and is actually pretty true to Thrawn's character and with a bit of change to some mentioned events it could easily be an EU novel. The two biggest offenders are replacing Pellaeon with Eli (though it does take place BBY so it's not as bad as it could be.) and offhandedly mentioning Lothal that there's been rebel activity there. Remove Lothal and I could easily believe it to be an EU novel.

>>5490

Someone posted a link on here once to a site that was supposedly a guideline to the EU. Anyone bother to save it or know which thread its on?

>>5493

The Thrawn novel was more of a tie-in for Rebels with no real relevance to the overall old SW lore tbh.

With all the shit Wookieepedia has deleted, I'm surprised they still have the breasts article.

>>5496

yes it was a tie in but to be fair, it was mostly self-contained with only a few references to Rebels. Not standing for it to be considering EU or anything, but i think it does Thrawn's character well and him enough justice for it to be mentioned if we're doing an "approved Disney" tag.

>>5503

Those few references to Rebels are still irksome though. But still, I guess if we can just dismiss it as him having crushed that little insurgence on Lothal, then all is good.

>>5495

Probably this: http://www.starwarstimeline.net/

>>5490

>continuity bubbles

Run with that thought. Strictly speaking, the Disney "canon" is one sizeable bubble isolated from everything else.

>>5482

Question is, though, how did 1D4chan start?

>>5515

bunch of ta/tg/uys started it to document memes and board culture back in /tg/'s early days, as well as to save writefaggotry. it spun off to later include a bunch of 40k lore and other /tg/ related hobbies.

>>5516

I just wish 40k didn't encompass 79% of the content.

>>5523

Obviously that won't be a problem on the HoloNet.

ONE HUNDRED PERCENT STAR WARS, ZERO PERCENT DISNEY

>>5509

This will need to be a regular fallback for awhile, methinks. It might be nice to make it an article on the HoloNet.

>>5525

I used to be a regular wiki guy myself with admin status on several wikis, but stopped because of the Canon and FANDOM shit and also because my job stole my free time. If you guys start this wiki, expect me to edit there (I've been eager to write some stuff related to Droids, the games and a few novels that never got made on Wookieepedia), but I can't guarantee I'll be 100% devoted since my job pretty much keeps me restrained.

>>5526

What kind of material do you have which never got in?

>>5537

Is that the comic about Han's wife?

>>5537

>>5540

Yet another thing stolen and then mangled from the EU: http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Salla_Zend

>>5542

And somehow made worse. Worst still is not-Salla is now dicking around with that Dr. Aphra Sue.

>>5550

just be straight up honest and be reasonable. it's better for the man to know now rather than find out in the middle of the project and freak out.

>>5550

>>5551

Honestly, how much does he really need to know? Collectively we're just a bunch of concerned Star Wars fans who discovered common cause on some anonymous chat. If the question "like 4chan?" comes up, the answer is just "something like that."

>>5556

And really it's not that much from the truth. So if he finds out it's not like he's going to feel lied too or anything. I think I can agree with this.

>>5550

i don't see the harm in telling him we come from a niche board that hates the nucanon. this board is so far removed outside the usual 8chan boards that it might as well be its own site.

I used to own a couple of reasonably sized wikis and was top contributor on those and a couple more. Can help out. Has something been set up on shoutwiki yet? What should we be called?

I was thinking starwarseu seeing as http://starwars.shoutwiki.com/wiki/ is taken

Would like to also add that wookieepedia isn't very good at cataloguing merch. My go-to is rebelscum.com

>>5558

True, the most /pol/ opinion you'll get on here is that ideological pox doesn't belong in Star Wars.

>>5559

I think we were going for HoloNet or something along those lines, maybe with the subtitle of "Expanded Universe-Only Expanded Universe."

>>5560

That might be a good angle to pursue for new content.

>>5561

>*Expanded Universe-only Expanded Universe

Kark

>>5576

Funny thing is her species was never mentioned outside the guides, and the audiobook implied she wasn't human what with that growling shit she did.

>>5588

What are the chances that she was some backwater evocci descendant?

>>5576

Let's just say that Han's taste in women got an order of magnitude better and leave it at that.

Reminds me, though, do the Japs have their own Star Wars wiki or equivalent?

>>5588 (checked)

A wee bit late for that.

>>5561

>True, the most /pol/ opinion you'll get on here is that ideological pox doesn't belong in Star Wars.

tbh this isn't even a /pol/ opinion anymore, even normalfags are aware of the agenda shoveling they're doing in these movies.

>>5602

>>5608

All of this reinforces the argument I heard the other day, that they're trying and failing to make another Disney Princess story, with the addition that Kennedy is trying to agenda-push on the side. Thing is, the mission is so split by objectives that it's not succeeding either way, on top of the various incompetence involved through most of the enterprise. Honestly, Disney would have made a near-flawless mint on everything if they'd never put that harpy in charge.

Additionally, all this bad press means an increasingly Disney-skeptical public, which come Bob Iger's election bid means an army of potential muckrakers (Dem, Pub, or Trump loyalist, all will be looking). All kinds of nasty stuff will be dug up about Disney from over Iger's tenure, and even if the press scrambles to cover for them, it will be too late. Where there could have been a loving throng, there is now a bitter mob.

Anyway, has anyone contacted folks or begun preparations for mirroring?

>>5773

>Sam Witwer commented on the OP factor in the Let's Play stream of TFU, saying that, at least he imagined the story to be a tall tale, so an in universe explanation would be that Rebels who told the story of his exploits would exaggerate certain elements of the story, but that the key elements did happen.

i like the sound of that. vader having a crazy op apprentice certainly was silly, if rebel troopers simply exaggerated his abilities, it would make sense.

>>5773

>I like the idea of a canceled media tag/category on articles that feature content that began before the Disney takeover and continued into it.

That would be a great idea. Would be a nice way to incorporate the Tarkin novel. But what do we do about shit in Clone Wars that fucked with the old lore a bit too much, like homeworld changes (like the Talz), species changes (Asajj and her backstory) or other general lore changes like Morriband, siths not having ghosts, Bane's mask, the clone chips, etc etc?

>>261

>write trump and clinton into a book as long as it makes money Mr. Wendig

Wait, fucking really?

>encyclopedia gets taken over by Disney

Wookieepedia is Disney-owned now? Of fucking course it would be; they can’t have anyone talk about their properties in ways they don’t like.

>>5811

Wikia is now called FANDOM and they made some kind of deal with actual corporations. Even the "Unofficial Disney Wiki" is now called the Disney Wiki. That should be enough of a hint of what's going on there. Also, they have a huge amount of people from IGN working for them now.

>>5880

>I think an article covering Eps VII, VIII & IX should fall under this ‘cancelled media’ category as well, and focus on what George had envisioned for the continuation. Anything by Disney should be contained to the one Disney article. If we don’t bother about being perfectly neutral either, we could focus on the promise of a ‘return to practical effects’, the disappointing (for Disney) toy sales, and the backlash against TLJ, Disney’s feminist/SJW agenda and their complete and utter destruction of the EU.

Sounds good.

>>5880

>make a WebM of it?

Yes.

>Maybe someone over at theforce.net

Wasn't the Jedi Council Forums the first bunch of fags to jump on Disney's dick? We're better off asking TOR forums.

Ok, so http://holonet.shoutwiki.com/wiki/ also appears to be taken.

Couple of things:

Firstly, there's a Finnish shoutwiki site, Jedipedia, which is a pretty damn good copy of Wookieepedia (http://fi.starwars.shoutwiki.com/wiki/Etusivu)

Secondly, I've been playing around trying to at least get the format for character pages down. So far, this is the Luke page: http://swholonet.shoutwiki.com/wiki/Luke_Skywalker for whatever reason the infobox is fucking massive

Wookieepedia had an overhaul with these complicated templates a couple of years ago, so I'm copying their older method for infoboxes involving Template:infocell and Template:infoboxframe.

>>5903

>blog written by Final Fantasy Wiki Admin, BlueHighwind (Eric Fuchs)

>Gunpla Builder, House Lannister-supporter, Nice Jewish Boy that Your Mom Will Love, and a Capricorn.

I used to know about this faggot. One of the most obnoxious bossy twats on FF wiki.

>>5904

What purpose does that holonet wiki even have? It doesn't even have a mainpage. Can't we contact someone over at shoutwiki and ask if the domain name can be used by a group with an actual purpose for it?

>>5903

<Gamers are dead.

>t. Video game periodical journalists

<Fans are dead.

>t. Fandom wiki curators

>>5923

Ever since wikia rebranded itself into fandom, the whole place has gone down the shitter. If its not ads, its shit-tons of links to shitty blogs by ex-IGN fags, virtue signalling shit or Pickle Rick maymays.

>>5941

>So we'll just mirror all articles before the Disney takeover, and add to the articles that continued afterward?

Yeah I was thinking mirror pages up until mid-to-late 2014, or maybe earlier depending on the release date of the content in question. Then from there we can add our own flair, get rid of anything really poorly written and build on the pages. As always, if you look at most of the pages for comics, often you don't even get a synopsis, and even now if you go on Wookieepedia, a lot of articles aren't up to date with the later novels and comics released in the old canon.

Plus yeah, we could do the whole cancelled media thing. The games, the unfinished Clone Wars episodes, including Dark Disciple. Early concept art for the Disneyshit too, like the Darth Talon pics.

What's funny is that any of the GOOD nu-canon stuff, which isn't much, is written mostly to fit with the old canon. Just started reading Thrawn and already it implicitly foreshadows the Vong coming.

>>5904

Well m8, if you mirrored/filled every single redlink on that article, you would have a pretty solid foundation going forward, at least for the Galactic Civil War era and onwards. Spokes of a wheel leading to everywhere else. Something like that.

>>5941

I know there are. Look for anyone disgruntled with TLJ who's older, and they're fairly easy to find.

>>5944

Filling in seems prudent. Why is the current crop of editors so incompetent?

> is written mostly to fit with the old canon

Almost like there's no direction really given for the new stuff. Or that they're already feeling that it won't last. God willing, even Wendig will fall away.

>>5917

Ah, it's an RPG wiki or something. Maybe it's invite-only for that group.

>>5958

>I know there are. Look for anyone disgruntled with TLJ who's older, and they're fairly easy to find.

I used to know a guy there many years ago who had an Even Piell avatar and a signature about the beauty of life. An older fan who told me he liked the EU, a friendly and informative fellow. I couldn't believe my eyes when he was praising Disney's decision to eliminate the EU and then shilling TFA all over the place, all he could tell me was the same kind of bullshit found in this post's link >>5941

It's like he was a completely different person. Made all the more worse since he was one of the few people one could have friendly conversations with and seemingly wasn't a douche in any sense of the word.

>>5982

>in this post's link >>5941

Fuck, I meant this one >>5903

>>5982

Well, if you're friendly acquaintances with the guy, ask if he's alright. Compare and contrast, but in a way that's not too nosy. I'm kinda curious if this new behavior is a front for appearances, or if things have changed.

I figure some of these "elders" are paranoid about losing Star Wars as a whole, and have misguidedly taken on the shilling duties in an effort to keep it going.

>>5984

Haven't you been paying attention? Johnson threw a hydrospanner the size of the Galaxy Gun into Disney's paint-over Canon. I half-expect even Abrams to quit because he was handed a mess and knows he can't do endings.

>>5880

>what George had envisioned for the continuation

i do wish he would release his stories for the sequel trilogy, so we could take them and make them our own.

http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Rathtar

WHAT IDIOT FROM THE SWTOR STAFF MADE THESE ABOMINATIONS A PART OF LEGENDS?

>>6063

https://swtor.jedipedia.net/en/cdx/alliance-intelligence-report-gethul Whoever wrote on patch 5.1.0.

>>6063

>>6064

Must've been a TFA-loving intern. Fuck.

>>6096

The Disney nonsense should be referred to as the FU (FanfictionUniverse) tbh.

http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Droid_rebellion Well, here's one stub we could work with.

>>6126

There are quite a few EU stubs I'm itching to expand but never did due to the Disney takeover of the wiki.

From another thread:

>Also on an unrelated note, I like how the Battlefront Wiki doesn't use "Canon" and "Legends" tags and simply calls them "Reboot" and "Original". And they even use "Original" as the default rather than "Reboot". Now these fuckers are uncompromising and I love it.

> http://battlefront.wikia.com/wiki/AT-AT

>>6232

The correct labels would be "Canon" and "Disney", with "Disney" simply linking to a page that said: "Fuck you!"

http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/The_Eye

Is this /tg/?

What if someone made a Firefox extension to automatically go to "Legends" article if there is one?

>>6419

Nah, I think we're better off going on with the mirroring project. Wikia is fucked up beyond repair at this point - it requires too many scripts to run, and Wookieepedia is controlled by Disney.

>>6425

Not to mention all those fucking blog ads and the shitty page redesigns.

http://boards.theforce.net/threads/the-official-list-your-complaints-about-the-last-jedi-discussion-thread.50047246/

Well gents, pick your men. You'll know them by what they skewer and why.

>>6063

'Legends' is not the EU, Legends = everything that's not considered apart of Disney's (DU) doesn't matter whether it's pre or post Disney buyout This was actually obvious that all it already meant 'anything in Legends = non-(DU) related to begin with just by looking at how they treated things whether it was in what was already deemed apart of the (DU) or not.

>>6691

>>6687

Can the HoloNet site be modified to take that style? I have a nasty feeling the Mouse will attack the Lucasfilm site.

>>6694

Yes. Just edit this: http://swholonet.shoutwiki.com/wiki/MediaWiki:Monobook.css

Copy the MediaWiki:Monobook.css of an older version of wookieepedia, either from an archive or its history

http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/MediaWiki:Monobook.css?action=history

>>6694

Also the mouse can't do jack as long as we aren't uploading movies and spoilers of their shit-tastic media. However, we can offer download links and torrents of older EU media on the site (as long as they're hosted on a site unrelated to us, like piratebay) to get newfag fans interested. Or legit links to sites like ebay or amazon in case they wanna get into the EU fair and square.

>>6722

Nope, I'll do it. Asking now.

http://swholonet.shoutwiki.com/wiki/Palpatine

Ha ha, time for Sheev the Emperor.

Fook, that's a lot of images needed.

>>6730

I mean if they were to ever make a Maul standalone (Pretty likely because as much as (((they))) hate to admit it because he's from the prequels, people fucking love Maul) I could see them casting him. He can do live action and tbh I don't know if Ray Park is still game for it? I could be wrong but phantom menace was twenty years ago after all.

>>6744

doubtful they would get park back, but witwer is absolutely their go-to for his voice.

>>6760

all i know is he cameos in tfa as a stormtrooper and dislikes rogue one, as he prefers dark forces and operation skyhook. dunno if he likes or dislikes tfa or tlj (it's a good bet that he does if he didn't like rogue one).

>>6722

>>6726

Done. Anyone here just post on my talk page and I'll give you admin rights.

Hopefully somebody knows how to fix the fucked up infoboxes.

I find that copying the source from 2012-2013 wookieepedia history tends to be ok, just need to get templates like template:quote set up. The newfangled modules and such are probably best avoided.

>>6767 (checked)

Alright, css has been edited. Anyone see the change?

>>6744

Doubtful because Maul is a bad guy and bad guys need to be one dimensional spergs.

>>6782

Maul has always been overrated anyway. People only liked him because he was the first character in the movies to have a non-standard lightsaber configuration. His backstory is not interesting, and the post-Naboo plotline where he gets robot legs is fucking retarded.

>>6792

What, not his cool appearance? Not his fighting prowess, showing the first two-on-one lightsaber duel? Not his cool vehicles, the Sith Infiltrator and the Bloodfin bike? He's a blunt instrument, alright, but a cool one.

>>6794

All of that contributed, sure, and in a lot of ways that makes him similar to characters like Boba Fett. The main difference is that the EU took Fett in some really interesting directions, whereas Maul remained internally bland and uninteresting.

>>6814

Also End Game by James Luceno. Darth Plagueis gives some insight into him as well.

>>6792

his retconned backstory is trash yeah. stupid to put him with the dathomiri. it was better prior to clone wars.

>>6787

Never said the numbers lie. I once had a pic showing a meter of the number of fans of the light side/dark side based on country, and the majority of countries preferred the Empire. And Maul has tons of potential, which I feel TCW failed to properly develop, since they had to link him with Dathomir for whatever reason. But at least they tried, unlike Disney, where every villain is just a soulless one-dimensional evil-doer. Just look at Snoke. Boba is honestly better off dead in the nu-canon.

>>6767

I was gonna hit you up on it but work is keeping me too busy…

>>8588

This.

>>8581

Speaking of templates, the Information, Appearances, and Sources boxes are transforming into useless red blurbs whenever used. It'd be fucking great if someone who knows what they're doing could find a way to fix that.

Despite this setback, I've put down entries for all major governments from the Clone Wars up until just before the Yuuzhan Vong. In order to cut down on the Canon/Legends hassle, I've taken all my entries from April 2014, and will update Sheev's accordingly. Until I've figured out how to not screw up pictures, I won't touch Luke's page.

I think I'll also put down some sourcebooks to give us a broader array of events and characters to work with. Right now, our wiki is Redlink city, but the more we have, the more we can fill in either at whim or on a concentrated area.

>>9137

To fix that we'd need all of the templates on Wookieepedia to be copied and exported over to the new wiki. Plus updating its CSS which the founder over there claims to have done, but there's still issues. There's a way to copy and transfer all of a wiki's contents from one to another, but I'm not what the process is. The founder said that a foreign language wiki was able to copy and transfer wookieepedia's info. Although I'm not sure if he's asked them to help him with that.

>>9139

I don't know a whole lot about wikis, but from my experience editing 1d4chan I'd guess the templates are saved as their own pages somewhere.

Yeah, here's the "Eras" template, which I found by copy-pasting the raw text from the editor into the search box, and making sure it was searching under the "everything" label, not the "articles" label:

http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Template:Eras

>>9149

http://swholonet.shoutwiki.com/wiki/Timeline_of_Star_Wars_Media

Speaking of eras, this page turned out a lot more functional than I expected it to look.

>>9139

You might want to prod him on that, as we need all the expertise we can get.

>>9149

Well we shouldn't rush him. He's probably working on improving the new logo.

>>9249

Rush who? To do what? I was just trying to figure out where on Wookiepedia they stored the templates.

>>9251

Sorry. My post was meant for >>9155

>>9380

They probably have not read it.

>>9382

They did. Lewisr is pretty much the nu-EU faggot archiver for the site who verifies everything about the nu-novels. He's been on there for only 2 years yet he has as many edits as the oldfags. The guy edits night and day nonstop with no breaks. He verified my edit then added "Gas" to the Join the Rebellion book's Misc section.

>>9383

Sounds like Wookiepedia's own Ryulong, only less bitchy and ideologically-deranged.

>>9384

I've seen Lewisr too. He's definitely a lot like Ryulong except he hardly talks. He just showed up one day and started adding a ton of stuff from Disney Wars, even shit that was still fresh in stores. And he conveniently showed up when Wookieepedia started committing to its major changes and adding more disney spam/ads. He also does a shite ton of edits in less than a minute. One second he's doing small edits here and there, but he can just as quickly write huge paragraphs in less than a minute. I swear the account must be handled by multiple people or the guy has a dozen tabs open and doing edits on each as quickly as possible. I'm almost tempted to believe he may actually be the account used by the fucks over at StarWars.com or Disney employees since Wikia technically is now made up of "official content" and the "Unofficial Disney Wiki" was changed to "The Disney Wiki".

>>9389

good job. it fits like wookiepedia logo aesthetically

>>9389

Do you think we should change the layout and color scheme of the wiki to fit the holocron's color scheme?

>>9392

Can it be done? Do we know how to do it?

>>9389

As the guy who applied the monobook.css, I have no idea if it's even working, or if there's some necessary trigger that it's lacking right now.

>>9387

Weird. Has anyone tried to make him open up?

>>9398

>Can it be done? Do we know how to do it?

I know how to do it, but only on monobook but I have too much work and I'm really bad at handling my free time since today was my day off and I spent 80% of it shitposting and trying to see if I could make Fallout 4 not be a pile of shit. If I stop being a procrastinating piece of shit, I'll head on over and edit the monobook when I get the chance, but it also depends on whether or not the swholonet founder wants to change the color scheme to match the holocron or if he wants to do something different. Now excuse me, I gotta take a shit.

>>9389

anon that is fucking fantastic

you got it in a bigger res?

>>9446

Wookieepedia changed its background to "honor" Rebels and the Gas article is now the stupidest article on the wiki, even more so than the old Charis article (which was at least funny, but now its gone).

>>9465

>Charis

I meant chairs. Fuck.

>>9446

The mouse now owns Wookieepedia. It should come as no surprise since now they own some parts of Wikia and you can see a shit ton of ads and official contests by Disney on their now.

>>747

>Brandon Rhea

>with his "haha your EU's not canon anymore, deal with it :)))" attitude

can I get a quick rundown? I think I've seen him like once in the JCF before I got banned

>>6792

>>6824

clone wars or the dathomiri stuff didn't really change Mauls backstory at all. Haven't you guys read Plagueis? Everything remains intact

>>17043

Which one of you loveable cunts did this? Was it the guy who did the Gas edit?

>>17047

Someone already talked about him in detail in one of the other threads discussing the wiki. Its hard to find among all the topics, but here's one I did find >>11450

I swear Disney's got legit shills or shitposters ONLY PRETENDING to be shills. Not just on the Wiki, but other places. Reddit's been bought out for years now by media interests, and even halfchan/tg/ which is fairly decent at times is chock full of the unironic "Solo was an amazing movie" types.

>>17048

This.

READ PLAGUEIS

>>6792

>>6824

>>17113

>>17048

Well except for the fact that he was now born on Dathomir. But in actuality, the actual major changes Dathomir brought were to Ventress. Such as retconing her into a Dathomirian Zabrak, changing her homeworld and backstory significantly, Rattatakis no longer existed as we knew them and instead Rattataki is just another word for Siniteens, etc.

>>6787

>Lightsider is at the top of the mountain.

>Darksiders don't have force absorbtion since thats a light side master only power.

Force Push all day, Obi Wan easily.

>>17134

The oldschool bald-human rattataki still remained canon in the EU at least. I guess it just means they share their homeworld with siniteen.

default skin is now monobook.

Wookiepedia used to be a great resource, now it's gone to shit. I'm glad I'm not the only one who's noticed this.

also, I can confirm that Wikia is a terrible company that exploits and mistreats many fanbases, which is why a number of them have split off to create their own sites. of course, Wikia refuses to delete the old content after a fork, because they don't understand any form of human decency.

>>20975

I was thinking, maybe the SWholonet could import content from Wookiepedia that predates nuwars, eg 2012 revisions. that way it would be comprehensive, and I could browse through the content I used to read without any mouse droppings, and without the canon/legends split.

>>20988

Alright. It looks like the plan was to move the wook's entire content over (prolly via >>4765 ) and then have the nu canon pages removed automatically. They asked the shoutwiki staff for access to the page to do that but didn't get a response

>May

http://swholonet.shoutwiki.com/wiki/User_talk:SpasticColon#Import_Permission

I don't know if this is the only option for a mass import. And if mass importing isn't an option where does that leave us?

We could get organized and try to move at least the bare bones over. You know, move from era to era and media to media. Work out what templates to use when moving stuff over, like >>5904 . Stuff like that.

>>21038

mass importing should definitely be an option. there are various tools out there for dumping/forking wikis. it's just a matter of how complete & efficient the process will be.

>>21120

there will be alot to sort out, but it's a start.

>>21557

Honestly it was the best method we had. Support is fucking useless. Have unbanned you, really appreciate the effort you put in.

>>24060

Not much of a controversy. More like a light argument. Still, glad to see those fucks haven't lost all of their scruples.

>>24066

Its actually far bigger than it looks. In 2011 that shit was filled to the brim with faggotry, and Disneyfags have recently dredged this up after so long to finally get rid of the last of the old guard on Wookieepedia and remove all traces of Legends. This is all the more reason why we need to get our Holonet wiki up and running. Once Wookieepedia begins to collapse, it'll be up to us to be the last protected outlet for Star Wars info.

>>24067

So that's why that one e-celeb faggot recently made a video about it. I'd contribute to Holonet, but my collection of Star Wars books is surprisingly minimal at the moment- though I do have a TCW CYOA book, that may be worth mining for wiki material. i thought I had Rebel Force: Target as well, but it currently eludes me.

>>302

>Galactic Basic

>"Zhe"

What in the blue fuck?

>>24067

>we need to get our Holonet wiki up and running. Once Wookieepedia begins to collapse, it'll be up to us to be the last protected outlet for Star Wars info.

yes.

and in the meantime, I'd like to be able to look up Star Wars info without being exposed to the viral load on there.

>>24069

>i thought I had Rebel Force: Target as well, but it currently eludes me.

I have Rebel Force Target in epub format if that helps.

Wookieepedia just changed the url from wikia to fandom to bury the old wiki even more.

https://starwars.fandom.com/wiki/Gatalenta

Jesus Christ this is bad

>>32305

WTF?? I didnt see that.

Why Bioware??? Star Wars TOR is not as good as KOTOR but a decent Star Wars game

While i agree modern star wars sucks more ass than 9gag, id take The Farce Awakens over attack of the clones ANY day of the week.

>>32339

Also try not to be an uninformed faggot and realize that Jew Jew basically shat over Hamill almost as much as Rian. At least Lucas treated Hamill like an equal instead of a piece of shit.

http://archive.is/fhnSh

By defending TFA you're defending their right to trample over and insult Mark and his legacy. The man was practically bullied by those ratfinks for trying to fix Disney's mess.

>>32339

>being this much of a brain dead soy faggot

<defending anything disney wars related

You are one of the many reasons why Star Wars went to shit.

>>32339

0/10

>>32339

Force Awakens is such a bad rehash with no world building that even the prequels look good compression