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>>24853

>undo

We are undoing nothing. Lucasfilm's writers did enough damage incompetently trying to sweep the whole event under the rug.

>>24854

But anon, he died a heroic death. Can you imagine how it would be if Disney wrote it?

>>24859

According to the story group before Disney, they decided that the Vong were no longer immune to the Force per George's wishes. That potentially changes a shit ton of things in the story regarding the Vong. Me thinks a rewrite was imminent.

Just dropping by to say before I do Noruun posts that, regardless of planned rewrites, I am sticking with the already written canon as it was until a wide-spread community decision chooses otherwise.

>>24884

Probably a good idea, especially for the big events. Although I personally wouldn't mind changing some of the details of established canon to be a little less retarded, e.g. Jacen Solo becoming Caedus because he was a gullible moron.

>>25135

I think there are retcons that could work and others, not so much. I think that's an easier retcon, but it still requires some thought.

Sorry for my absence anons. Personal stuff has to take priority right now. Will update as I get the chance.

>>24512

More than fair, anon. After Wredd, any Sith he missed would have learned to lay low. And so, during the story you have in mind, they would. Laying low does not mean inactive, though. I'll leave what they're up to in this time to you.

>>25498

That's a tempting offer. I'll have to plan out some details. Might not get too concrete, it all depends on how the project evolves.

Sorry about the lack of updates, anons. Been really busy this holiday season, but I've been finding time to intake some EU books I hadn't read/heard before. The tone is important to me, so I might have to compare some of the critically panned books to ensure I don't fuck up bad.

Will update and add more to this thread as I can. Doing some rough draft writing for a first chapter, but nothing I'd like to share yet.

Just finished the Hand of Thrawn duology. I've found an interesting way to integrate an effect he mentions in the books in which excess use of the Force through powers and abilities dulls one's connection to the nuances, subtle senses and foresight that lesser exertion allows.

It makes the Imperial Knight's actions a little more understandable, as his ability to gauge how his actions could lead down a path of pure tyranny becomes more and more distanced from him while he uses his powers to enact his plans. Any suggestions for some of the books with better/worse prose? I'll be checking out Vector Prime and the Crystal Star shortly, I just want to grow my overall scope.

As for Noruunian flora, the most famous of which being their unique trees that stretch outward(Taro'si Trees), they are several different shrubs and grasses that cover the parts of the planet untouched by devastation. One of the more rare plants is the Meladen shrub which produces a chemical that's been utilized in a local Spice variant produced in several Tombs. Noruu Spice has grown in popularity by certain thrill seekers for its out-of-body euphoric sensations, however it's caused further harm to the planet and its culture, as the Meladen shrub was used for generations in local rituals and rites. With Noruu Spice gaining a bit of a reputation, supplies of the already rare plant are dwindling further.

Noruunians are a humanoid species native to the planet. They have thick, baggy dark skin that folds in many place on their usually thin frames. They are 2.25 meters(approx. 7 feet tall) on average, They are a hairless species with three slender, pointed fingers and a stubby, fat thumb. They have a pair of somewhat small eyes beneath drooping lids. They have strong, pronounced jaws, but teeth that is rather ineffective at chewing thick gristle and muscle, making most meats far of more a delicacy in their culture due to the effort associated with preparing it. The Naruunian culture has always been focused on expansion through peace learning. Though there have been military conflicts on the planet, it was always considered barbaric to kill unnecessarily when prisoners could be taken. As a result, battle and weapons developed by Naruunians focuses far more on disarmament, skillful neutralizing of threats, and non-lethal martial arts. Unfortunately, the wishes of much of their culture to become more involved in interspecies societies and disperse across the galaxy have never truly panned out. Still, they hold onto some faith that their planet can be restored after recent attacks were brought to them, with their elders practicing healing rituals with the Meladen shrub.

In their culture, the young are placed above the elderly in importance. Elder Noruunians(around 150 years of age) are expected to leave positions of power and to not intervene or attempt to direct the actions of their younger kin. A key part of Noruun's native culture is the belief that ideas that transcend passing opinions of an era only reveal themselves if you put them in positions to be challenged. Their average lifespan is around 230 years.

>>24391

>>24392

based Skakoan poster

>>25566 (czech'd)

>chill sasquatch meat connoisseurs

I like it anon

>>26242

That's a good way of putting it.

Gonna be adding more stuff tonight. I might be able to premiere the rough draft of the first chapter soon. I've, at the very least, got it visualized. Just gotta write it all down and get it coherent.

Little aside things my sleep deprived brain can handle to elaborate currently:

>Ithor

Going to be at the very least mentioned. The restoration of the first complete forest has been finally completed by the start of the story and the atmosphere is restored to a breathable state. Still, there's a couple decades of work left on restoring the entire planet, but it is beginning to be a bit more recognizable in sections. It's still remaining largely uninhabited out of necessity and convenience.

>Lightsaber duels

Obviously, I am going to include at least a few. Regardless, there's a special feeling I want to retain, so I'll do my best not to overdue them or go into intense detail over techniques and etc. Still, as a book that will follow a young man beginning to join the fractured Jedi Order and his conflicts with the philosophy of the Jedi's desire for peace and his brief time as a soldier, defending his homeworld, lightsabers will need to be given a decent amount of focus. I've considered including the beginnings of an eighth form, but I honestly think that might be too tacky, so it'll like get shelved.

>Martial Arts

I want to explore this more after the suggestion in this thread. Specifically speaking of Teräs Käsi, it'd provide more nuanced insight into both the actual fighting style and the Force by extension. Plus, it adds a nice variety to the kinds of combat that can be seen in the conflict.

>Power levels

Gonna do my best to try and keep them reasonable. There's no reason to make Force users ridiculous so soon after the Second Jedi Purge. Additionally, if my story is deemed to be apart of Separatist Canon, the last thing I want to incentivize is another culling of the Jedi for power reasons.

>Main character

As mentioned before, I want his personal views to conflict with the Jedi's. I want to avoid him being a complete loose cannon, but there are certain pressures and inner struggles he needs to undergo to complete his arc of believing more in the Jedi ways. His experience with war and the devastation of his home planet gives him a different perspective to many in the Galaxy at this time and allows him to emphasize with the main antagonist in a believable way. When the protagonist senses the true plot at hand during the final confrontation with the Imperial Knight, he needs to be capable of holding that secret with him for the greater good of the Galaxy. What separates our hero from our villain is his refusal to justify further pain in the struggle for peace. Certainly, horrors will be undergone either way, but the protagonist will still actively avoid participating, despite his bitterness and hatred towards beings that ravage worlds. He grows to become a Padawan worth taking the trials at some point through his compassion for those living in the Galaxy. Still, he's not going to be a goody-two-shoes nor will he be intended to come off as some unworthy edgelord. He also won't be the super special Jedi who reunites the Order. Even as the hero of this story, he won't be the sole one, nor will he become something of inflated importance. He is designed to carry this story and it's themes of repair and reconstruction through compromise, sacrifice, and perseverance. I hope I can do this character justice.

>>26308

>martial arts

We talked about this briefly in the lightsaber thread. Sadly there isn't a whole lot of material to go on here. We basically have just Teras Kasi and Echani martial arts. The EU doesn't have enough detail about them to really say how they work. You're going to have to make up a lot of this yourself if you want martial arts to play a major part in your story.

>lightsaber duels

Obviously you want to avoid making your lightsaber duels a weapons manual. Everything should be driven by the storyline and the characters. Think of how the characters would act when writing duels instead of thinking about which technique would be "optimal". Combat training is really just a guideline. Feel free to break it when necessary.

>eighth lightsaber form

I'm trying to make up lightlance forms because none have been specified so far. I guess that makes me as tacky as sandals with socks. I don't see the need for any additional forms for the standard lightsaber, at least not with the system of the old Jedi Order, because the existing forms cover the full range of techniques it has available. Swordsmanship fundamentals, blaster deflection, and esoteric forms that incorporate the superhuman prowess of Force users are all present. If you wanted to add an additional form, it should be of the type seen in Jedi Academy, which are hybrids comprised of elements of two or more of the old forms. Since you aren't going to make any major changes to the existing Legacy era without a board consensus, you should look at Praetoria Ishu and Praetoria Vonil, the forms of the Imperial Knights. These forms have had very little development, so there's lots of room to maneuver.

>>26317

I'll probably look into expanding upon the Imperial Knight styles and Teräs Käsi although the former may not play as much importance in the long run of the story, but you bring up good points, anon. I'll do my best to not expand upon things in an unsatisfactory manner.

Also, I don't think lightlance forms are tacky.

As for expanding Teräs Käsi, I'll probably do a big post on it after I've done extensive research on a variety of martial arts, maybe focusing a but more on ones with a good amount of presence in film such as Wing Chun.

>>26320

Wing Chun is one of the martial arts I've studied from an actual martial arts instructor as opposed to on the internet, at least partly. He incorporated techniques from it into his native style. Wing Chun is a very interesting piece of work. You could call it more of a concept than a martial art in some ways. The movies rarely ever manage to do any martial art justice in terms of conveying the philosophy of the art. That's probably hard to accomplish without relying on excessive expository dialogue. Seeing Wing Chun as a concept allows it to be hybridized with other styles easily. You could always have a look at the animations in Masters of Teras Kasi and the KotOR games, but this won't yield a reliable picture of the styles by itself in the same way that watching only a single martial arts movie can't give you an accurate impression of the styles used by its actors.

You can learn the broad strokes of a style from martial arts movies, but you can also learn the wrong things from them. Jackie Chan admitted to embellishing his martial arts with elaborate movements without any regard for actual combat effectiveness because it looks cool in a movie. But there are also variations in how each school and each individual practitioner practices the styles. Bruce Lee was influenced by Wing Chun when he created Jeet Kune Do due to his training from Ip Man. Oddly enough, Ip Man was played in the eponymously titled movie about him by Donnie Yen, who was in Rogue One. I haven't bothered to watch Rogue One because I'm not interested in anything having to do with the kind of flagrant plagiarism it takes to name a new character Jyn Erso and have her steal the Death Star plans, so I couldn't tell you anything about any martial arts that Donnie Yen may or may not have done for it.

>>26323

Of course. I'd be very interested in discussing the philosophy of Wing Chun and other martial arts further with you, as I unfortunately don't have real world experience with any. It's true that film can embellish much of the true nature of all kinds of combat, and all sorts of things beyond that. My desire to focus a little on ones with film prominence are merely to more neatly fit new lore into the universe, as cinematic inspirations influenced Star Wars as much as real life ones.

Even if I can't fit the entirety of the philosophy of Teräs Käsi into the story, I still think if it's to be a large part of the main protagonist's training, fleshing it out believably will be key to informing those story decisions without seeming very disconnected.

I'd absolutely love if you had anything more to add on any martial arts you're experienced with. I know I may seem clumsy in my thought process from time to time, but I really do want to respect the universe, the fans I'm writing for, and any things I'm influenced by. I want it to be clear I put in effort and didn't cut corners for simplicity.

As an aside, I'm not going to go full Tolkien, but ensuring that subjects that service the story are done well is a priority for me.

Also, for future reference, I feel decided on a name for the main character: Dasiel Duskar.(Pronounced Da-seel Doo-scar)

Now I can stop referring to him as the protagonist.

>>26324

>My desire to focus a little on ones with film prominence are merely to more neatly fit new lore into the universe, as cinematic inspirations influenced Star Wars as much as real life ones.

I'm unsure that this would actually help. But if there's a movie that has something you think would translate well to Star Wars, go right ahead.

>I'd absolutely love if you had anything more to add on any martial arts you're experienced with.

I probably will at some point, but I don't have much else right now because I haven't seen what direction you plan on going.

I have to say that the overall arc of a character who unites the galaxy against him seems too similar to what they did with Jacen Solo. I thought the way they treated Jacen was dumb and his fall to the dark side was contrived and not believable. Hopefully you have a way to distinguish this from that.

>>26326

Well, it's true that it might not help. I might be overthinking it a bit in that regard.

I definitely see the Jacen Solo parallels and concerns. I have various plans onways to flesh out his actions to make him more distinct as a villain in comparison. I'll make another big post focused on him once I get a moment.

http://www.starwarstimeline.net/Supernatural_Encounters.htm With regards to future material, I found something which may be of interest to you.

>>26366

I'll be sure to check it out, Anon. Especially if it's decided the story needs a complete rehaul. On that note…

>On the matter of the main antagonist and keeping him distinct from Jacen and Revan

The Imperial Knight(who will remain unnamed until I can honestly find a name to fit him) is going to be undoubtedly the enemy in this story. He is ultimately causing the conflict in order to reunite the Galaxy. This has obviously been done in some fashions before, but how does it get accomplished here that makes it different in a way worthy of a story where he is the main antagonist? How can it be done here in a way that doesn't just retell the same events with different people? The short answer is by fundamentally changing how the outcome relates to their overall goals and character arcs.

Although, I must admit before I begin, I definitely am on the verge of changing the antagonist's motivations because it seems to similar for everyone's tastes and its beginning to seem that way to myself. So, in a way, this post is the final pitch for this antagonist done in this way.(I'm not going to switch to the Sith, but I'll definitely change the outline and overall conflict as needed.)

>Purpose in the story

While I plan to explore his point of view at some point during the story, I've had it planned for quite some time that his point of view chapters or scenes should only ever come after he is revealed as the true antagonist and has hijacked the Celestial Neutralizer. While there is supposed to be depth in his actions, he is ultimately the villain of this story and he is doing horrible things. He stands in contrast to our main protagonist, Dasiel. Whilst the Knight has had a lifetime of prestige, recognition, and duty, he still longs for an old era of peace. He admires the heroes who stabilized the Galaxy. Dasiel hasn't had any of that, coming from a war-torn world on the Outer Rim. He didn't live in an age of heroes, never was considered much intil his travelling merchant friend urges him to go the Jedi and train in his abilities in the Force. Dasiel has to change to really believe in a peaceful Galaxy despite scars of decades past still showing. He questions himself, he questions his teachings, and he doesn't apply any grand importance to figures of years past. For the Knight, the past is something to recapture not only on a level of wanting peace for the Galaxy, but on a deeply personal level. He doesn't cling to past ideas rigidly, but he cares about events long ago. It is only once Dasiel begins to grow that he sees what good the Jedi philosophy and methods can do, then taking it upon himself to be more than what he was. The Knight's belief in the heroes of old is proven somewhat correct and his true motives are kept hidden by Dasiel, lest an even greater conflict begin.

One of the most important aspects of this character to me is that he isn't motivated by foresight, but rather by his own deep concerns of losing all hope of a galaxy at peace. His ultimate catalyst for taking these extreme actions are discovering the secret plans to the Celestial Neutralizer and fearing how much destruction could happen, that the Jedi Order crumbles and fractures even further and war leads to a perilous life for everyone in the Galaxy's borders. It's a story about the lengths people will go for peace and how it can lead to greater suffering if handled wrongly. It's about the power individuals can hold and how doing the right thing isn't often easy because it's not always clear.

On top of this, the Knight has one important advantage in his whole scheme: he's fully aware of the past. Certainly, he doesn't know every nuance of Caedus's fall, but he's informed enough to know what it did and it informs his opinion of the importance of a grand threat. Another example that leads him down a dangerous path. He also doesn't achieve his goal entirely. The Jedi are still fractured, though working together, and while he's improved certain relations between the Triumvirate, it's not all completely perfect. He succeeds in his goal, but it's a temporary success, even as he witnesses it.

Still, if you're opposed to this villain and this plot, go ahead and bring it up, anons. I'm not too far into writing that the plot can't be completely rehauled and a great amount of the worldbuilding can be kept regardless. If enough people are opposed, I'll just begin anew. No hard feelings.

>>26531

I mulled over how to respond to this for a long time. I'm still unsure that it's the right way, but maybe we'll figure that out.

I've tried to help Sith-anon out in the TOR separatist canon thread, but this is a different animal. He's creating a more fleshed-out and consistent form of something that's already been done by the EU, while this is an original story with OC donut steel characters. It's set a very long time after RotJ, so anyone reading it will compare it to what Disney has done to a far greater extent than something from the KotOR era. You need to take advantage of this. That's why you should take the opportunity to do everything you ever thought should've been done with a sequel trilogy but wasn't. Or even things that you thought should have been done with other Star Wars stories that weren't. That's just about the only thing I can say for now. I probably wouldn't even be typing this if you hadn't said you wanted to make martial arts a big part of your story, so this is another thing that wouldn't otherwise have happened.

>>26531

I'm beginning to agree that "be evil to unite everyone against you" has started to play itself out, not just in Star Wars but other media as well this opinion may or may not be influenced by my recently finishing the Code Geass weebshit. However, I think it could still work if you approached it with a little self-awareness, and made a concerted effort to deconstruct the previous incarnations of this trope in Revan, Caedus, and all the rest. Caedus especially, having the Imperial Knight look further into his fall and the machinations behind it could serve to vindicate a lot of the people that had problems with his portrayal, without actually retconning anything major. Ambitious? Definitely. And if done wrong can come off as pretentious. But done right, you get KOTOR 2.

>>26583

I appreciate the honesty and I agree with the overall sentiment. It's things like this thread that make me happy I chose to discuss my ideas further with others. I will say, there's a certain deal of cynicism I feel from Disney's media that betrays a lot of the tone I find important to be a part of Star Wars. I'll take some time to really dig deep within myself to find the concepts that appeal to me and the ideas I want to see done in this universe.

>>26584

This is a very interesting concept that could definitely add both depth to the main antagonist and assist in distinguishing him. From this point in the timeline, it gives a good setting to examine and deconstruct some of the major themes of the universe(a la KOTOR 2, like you mentioned) and allow for some in-universe discussion of some of the more contentious parts of the canon(a la The Hand of Thrawn Duology). But there's still the discussion of complete overhaul to be made, so while I may make a few posts on further exploration of the Imperial Knight's new details in this new context, it still will be flexible and capable of being scrapped or changed.

As an aside, I read the post about that anon who made the Preacher comparison when it comes to himself and Luke Skywalker. I feel pretty bad that he was that effected by Disney's trash portrayal(if you even call it that). Perhaps I had grown too cynical personally, but I forgot how much their mishandling of the franchise is truly hurting people.

Not to sound like a self-righteous son of a bitch, but that shit tears me apart. I am going to do everything in my power to get this project done in some way and assist in any way I can with growing and reclaiming this universe for the fans. I will make videos if I have to, I'll likely need to take breaks, but I'm never going to stop advocating for the revival of Star Wars media being more than a pessimistic retread to line the pockets of rich asshats who pnly back certain views for income.

With this in mind, I'm going to try and post more consistently if possible and hopefully with more fleshed out, interesting, and exciting ideas. I also appreciate everyone lurking, providing criticism, and anyone enjoying the thread for any reason. Thank you.

>>26618

>but I forgot how much their mishandling of the franchise is truly hurting people.

You have no idea. They like to pretend that at least kids and girls enjoyed this shit, but they didn't, except for fat Reylo-loving chicks. Most of them were bawling their eyes out as they left the theater. Does anyone have that webm of fangirls crying miserably after seeing TLJ?

>>26756

Good fucking God. At the least, it's a motivator.

As an aside, I've been looking through a lot of the later EU stories and I've noticed a definite focus on examining the Star Wars universe in a somewhat cynical light. Breaking down and exploring the core elements to show the flaws of the balance of the universe and the nature of existence within the Galaxy Far, Far Away.

I don't have an issue with that approach, hell, I think a lot of franchises need the scrutiny after a while. However, seeing what Disney did with TLJ and how each time someone tried to only deconstruct the genre or setting it came back with diminishing returns, I'm making a concerted effort to not make something of that nature. I have no issue with diving deep into the various themes of the EU, but I don't want to leave the Galaxy in a darker, more exposed state when the story concludes. I really would prefer to build it up again and reinforce why people fell in love with the series to begin with. So, while I want to thoroughly examine elements of the universe, I want to do it in a different way.

I have a day off tomorrow, so I'll start rambling on about something tomorrow, likely an aspect I want to see covered more. Probably discussing how The Force is portrayed by Kreia and how I want to build upon her philosophy and other parts of the canon to show how her perspective is flawed. Of course, I'd only be providing my own point of view, but there are a lot of good points brought up in KOTOR 2 I want to address in some manner.

>>26758

> I have no issue with diving deep into the various themes of the EU, but I don't want to leave the Galaxy in a darker, more exposed state when the story concludes.

That sounds like a great idea. Deconstructing doesn't mean you need to be edgy and wreck shit just because you can. Nor does it mean you need to be a smug babyfaced little shit whose incoherent narrative jumps from one disconnected scene to another with no causality or internal logic behind the script that intentionally laughs in the face of understandable or even enjoyable storytelling because you're a narcissistic gasbag who thinks being deliberately incomprehensible is the same thing as being artsy and 'subversive,' I swear to God that miserable little shit deserves a buttfucking with a cheese grater…

Anyways you're quite correct, you don't need to be cynical to do a good deconstruction, I didn't mean to suggest otherwise.

To begin, I want to clarify that Kreia’s philosophy is not objectively correct or incorrect. I absolutely love the character and her portrayal, but I feel a lot of the arguments made in the game can be refuted and built upon to reveal more truths about the sentient beings in the Galaxy and the nature of life and the Force. I’ll try to go point by point, but I will be rambling, so I apologize if I delve into incoherency. I’ll make an attempt to cover these points in Dasiel training, however I’m unsure if I’ll be able to cover it all. Regardless, I’ll cross that road when it’s time. This has spoilers for KOTOR 2, but I’m pretty sure everyone has played or read up on the game to an absurd detail by now. Better to be safe.

>The Force and Its Will

Ah, now this is a subject I’ve considered quite heavily and am likely to shift in my opinion and views as time rages forward. Kreia held the belief that the Force needed to be uprooted from the Galaxy. That the existence of its will proved a great injustice to all life and stole the possibility of true free will from all beings. Beyond that, if the Force is viewed to have a guiding hand in all conflicts, then it is a cruel master and has no true regard for the inhabitants of the universe it holds such a profound influence over and has doomed unfathomable amounts of life to certain, planned doom. There is absolutely validity to this mentality, but I feel there are aspects that make this issue far more intriguing. Firstly, consider that the Force had cut off the Yuuzhan Vong. It makes little sense that The Force would punish a species for atrocities to life if it had no regard for the life lost in these grand incursions. Furthermore, it’s doubtful that if the Force had such power to dictate all things perfectly that it would place Traya in a place to nearly destroy Itself. So, does the Force only determine conflict that has a great influence in its use? Perhaps, perhaps not, but it still seems unlikely considering how much unnecessary cruelty was delivered by the Empire, oftentimes in perversions of the Force’s intent. Sidious and Plagueis acted strictly in defiance of the Force, attempting to impose their will upon it. Without the presence of some sense of free will, these events seem nigh impossible, if not merely implausible.

So, if free will coexists with The Force’s will in all beings, then what? Well, we can confirm that the Force doesn't hold supreme power over you, considering you can make your own choices. In that case, we have a new view of the living and their place in the Force. It's much more alike to the microbiome that exists within us. Tiny organisms that exist within us, are influenced by us, but not fully controllable. While not a perfect example, it does a good job of reminding the characters that exist as a part of the Force and vice versa. Just a piece of a greater whole. Some of the most heroic actions taken in the Galaxy have come from those defying the will of the Force. Her views come from a beginning point of self-interest, so while her concerns and frustrations are based in reality, what she interprets is a result of her personal experience and goals. Besides, Kreia manipulates people to achieve her goals, no matter how malicious the effects may be. It only makes sense she would assume a more powerful influence would do the same. It is ironic in a sense. That she can't comprehend The Force with a will without presuming it would take the kinds of actions she would in that position. That isn't to say that it's influence is perfect for the Galaxy or that Kreia is a bad character, rather that the Force isn't constraining, nor freeing anyone inherently. And while it may urge pieces to go into certain places, there's little to support the notion that It actively desires conflict and suffering.

>>26758

>tomorrow

Well?

>>26791

See:

>>26782

>>26782

>Firstly, consider that the Force had cut off the Yuuzhan Vong. It makes little sense that The Force would punish a species for atrocities to life if it had no regard for the life lost in these grand incursions.

The Force didn't cut off the Yuuzhan Vong. That was done by the consciousness of their living homeworld Yuuzhan'tar as punishment for their warmongering.

>Furthermore, it’s doubtful that if the Force had such power to dictate all things perfectly that it would place Traya in a place to nearly destroy Itself.

It's unknown whether or not Kreia's plan would actually have worked. She may have just been flailing uselessly.

>Sidious and Plagueis acted strictly in defiance of the Force, attempting to impose their will upon it.

The Force may have acquiesced to their will simply because they acquired enough power, politically and in terms of their Force abilities.

>>26809

Fair points on the first two, Anon. My bad for the Vong misstatement.

As for the third, I find this to be an interesting point of view. Would you mind going into a bit more detail on the Force choosing to allow something like that? It seemed to be much more of a despicable action than something the Force would merely allowed.

>>26809

>The Force may have acquiesced to their will simply because they acquired enough power, politically and in terms of their Force abilities.

Interesting perspective, but it begs the question of "why." Is there some specific reason that the Force (insofar as it's conscious at all) would allow individuals to defy it simply because they are powerful? The light side of the Force as we know it doesn't seem like it would be sympathetic to those who simply seek power. This also begs the question of why other darksiders who aren't that powerful are allowed to exist–Darth Plagueis suggests that even using the dark side requires you to bend the Force to your will and drive it like a pack animal, and countless other sources, including Lucas himself, suggest that anyone who uses the dark side is subverting the "proper" force and its will. Why does the Force acquiesce the will of these people, even when they are comparatively weak in either their secular or Forceful power?

>>26811

>Would you mind going into a bit more detail on the Force choosing to allow something like that?

This is more of my own speculation than anything officially stated in canon, but the Force seems to operate on a consensus reality. It forms a sort of collective consciousness of the galaxy/universe. Yoda tells Luke that he failed to lift the X-wing out of the swamp because he didn't believe in it enough. If he had just gone and gotten a crane, that wouldn't require a belief in the crane. Obi-Wan puts a blast shield over Luke's eyes and tells him to let go of his conscious self, which echoes the way Qui-Gon says to feel instead of thinking, to simply will a certain thing to happen instead of reasoning your way through it. This is reflected by a number of real-world occult doctrines, such as Thelema, which defines magick as the science and art of causing change to occur in conformity with will. The consensus reality interpretation of the Force also has the side effect of allowing the reconciliation of the Potentium view with the classical Jedi and Sith view. Since there were a slew of powerful Force users who believed that the Force operated on a light and dark dichotomy, it actually assumed that form. This allows you to get away with basically anything as long as you have enough Force power, and brings up a number of interesting consequences both philosophically and materially.

A potential challenge to the consensus reality interpretation of the Force is the fact that the Force was widely believed not to exist during the reign of Palpatine's Empire. However, the people who didn't believe in it had no aptitude for the Force. Vader, the Emperor, and leftover Jedi had a much higher level of Force aptitude and still believed in it. But there were at least two very powerful Force users who rejected the Force on some level. Those are Kreia and the Exile. Kreia's idea was to attack the Force through Force bonds. You might consider that everything about the Force is made up of Force bonds because the Force is what binds the galaxy together. A consensus is also a form of bonding, albeit on a societal scale. So if we go with the consensus reality interpretation, Kreia's method of killing the Force would have worked solely on the basis of Force users of sufficient power believing that it would work. But it would also render her plan unnecessary, since she could have simply gained enough power to bend the Force to her will.

This probably a preferable course of action considering that ending the Force may end all the life in the universe. But if you go with Thelema's definition of magick, any use of the Force would be an act of imposing your will on the universe, which is considered by the popular view to be a dark side act. Force usage has gotten its fair share of criticism from non-Force-using galactic citizens tired of being embroiled in Force user wars, exemplified by Kreia. This is why the Jedi strive to become servants of the Force. This allows Jedi to wriggle around the accusation of imposing their will by claiming to be acting as agents of the Force, and going by the consensus reality interpretation, fate may be made more real by the Jedi believing in it. Adopting Thelema's view of magic ironically makes Kreia the truest Jedi of all because of her belief that the Force shouldn't be used. But positing that the Force is a consensus reality means that you can't kill the Force without having to use the Force, to Kreia's consternation. However, she still gets to show up her philosophical rivals on the Jedi Council, because this means that all the things she hates about the Force are largely caused directly by the Jedi's belief in servitude to the will of the Force. It also means that given the scenario of KotOR 2, the Force may very well have acted exactly how Kreia would act due to there being so few Force users at that time, giving her an outsized influence over it.

>>26947

WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAGH

>>26947

Wait! We can't stop here!

This is Sith County!

hey 200 ABY-anon, with the vong out of the way and fighters such as >>24290 and >>24300 going increasingly electronic and expensive. Would it not make sense for pirates or otherwise minor factions to use ion cannon based anti-starfighter corvettes? they'd be attempting to disable and capture these highly advance fighters rather than destroy. It would also be a nice workaround the heavy hull and shields set up for them.

>>26987

Bump because this interests me.

>>26827

This is an interesting way of looking at it. There are a couple issues I see with it, however. It implies that, once there's enough of a disparity between the total power of darksiders versus the total power of lightsiders, it's all but impossible for the group out of power to get back into power. The in-power group would be imposing its will on the Force and, in doing so, would prevent the other side from gaining power by simple virtue of thinking the other side is weak or nonexistent. How could the Bane line of Sith have even survived the immediate aftermath of the Sith war with this mechanic in place? There were ten thousand Jedi in existence who fervently believed the Sith were extinct and that the dark side's influence in the galaxy was feeble and trivial, how could the Sith have ever gained enough power to depose them?

Also, what if someone in-universe finds out that if enough people think it be like it is, then it do? Suddenly, the Order would be overwhelmed with fedora-tipping vibrokatana wielders, because in their belief that they can use shoot Sith lightning and use dark side powers with no negative consequences, they make that to be so.

>>26992

>This is an interesting way of looking at it. There are a couple issues I see with it, however. It implies that, once there's enough of a disparity between the total power of darksiders versus the total power of lightsiders, it's all but impossible for the group out of power to get back into power. The in-power group would be imposing its will on the Force and, in doing so, would prevent the other side from gaining power by simple virtue of thinking the other side is weak or nonexistent.

Maybe this is why it takes so long for the Sith to come back. The Jedi have gone for hundreds or thousands of years at a time without having to fight a Sith. That's time enough for the Jedi to grow complacent in their victory. The ones who defeated the Sith originally wouldn't be around after 1000 years. Their replacements never had to deal with the trials that the old Jedi did. They wouldn't have the chance to actually see the Sith defeated, so they may not believe the Sith are really gone. Plus there's the problem of the Jedi adopting a bunch of policies that would draw the ire of the rest of the galaxy. All they have to do is point to one single instance of one of these complacent Jedi getting rekt. That would make the galaxy lose a lot of faith in the Jedi and therefore diminish their power, making it possible for the Sith to return. But given the arrogance of the Jedi, it's hard to say how much effect public opinion would have on their power. I don't expect the consensus reality interpretation to be seriously used here. It may be a better idea to just use it in part, if at all. It was intended to add an element that roughly reflects current culture, in the same way that both of Lucas's trilogies reflect the time they were made. The ubiquity of the internet has unlocked the power for anyone to make news and fake news. Disney's Star Wars hasn't had any updates at all. It just rehashes what Lucas did and adds social justice bullshit. But the use of a consensus reality may conflict with Lucas's other ideas about the Force, like the Whills, which should be drawn on here.

>Also, what if someone in-universe finds out that if enough people think it be like it is, then it do? Suddenly, the Order would be overwhelmed with fedora-tipping vibrokatana wielders, because in their belief that they can use shoot Sith lightning and use dark side powers with no negative consequences, they make that to be so.

The Jedi used to fight with a katana before lightsabers were invented, which is a strange choice considering that the proper style for a lightsaber is nowhere close to a katana style. Chances are that the people who wrote that bit of history didn't think it through all the way, but that discussion belongs in the lightsaber thread. Here, we just have to observe that at least some of these fedora tippers probably actually existed in the Order at some point, albeit only for a relatively short time before they were almost certainly expelled from it. The Jedi expelled the followers of the Potentium for much less. I can imagine that some Jedi in the proposed 200 ABY era may revive the fedora tipping katana tradition because the Order isn't nearly as regimented or strictly controlled as it used to be. That kind of makes me want a parody story about it in addition to whatever use they may get in serious stories. We need some of our own comedic Star Wars stories. We didn't spend an inordinate amount of time shitposting for nothing. Some more of the parody stuff they wrote for Star Wars Tales would be great.

I also meant to talk about some of the stuff having to do with how anti-Force user weapons will be handled in this time period. We don't have to have this discussion for the TOR separatist canon because the arsenals in use at the time are already fairly well-established or will be by TORanon in cases where they aren't. We had some talk in the lightsaber thread about pulse cannons being an excellent choice against lightsaber wielders. We originally put a focus on spread weapons like flamethrowers. Slugthrowers also have an application here. But those require a specialized ammo source. Pulse cannons are an energy-based weapon, meaning they use a type of ammo similar to the ever-present blasters, and have rapid fire and seem to dissipate on hit. This makes them very good against lightsabers. I also conceived of a new weapon which mixes the pulse cannon with the concussion rifle, shooting rapid streams of shots that explode instead of dissipating on impact. Explosive shots will defeat any defense a standard lightsaber can put up, and while shots from a concussion rifle can be Force pushed back, the rapid fire throws too much flak at the target to do this with any reliability. Only an abnormal kind of lightsaber setup can block them, and they can't be deflected back at the shooter. I further thought of arming droidekas with this weapon. Each individual shot lacks the power of a full-strength concussion rifle blast, but it's still enough to do a good deal more damage than a blaster in a radius. You may not have any use for this, but I thought I'd let you know it was there.

>>26987

That makes perfect sense, Anon. I'll have to explore this idea further. Unfortunately work has been shit and Christmas shit is getting in the way. I'll try to mass respond when I'm not exhausted and/or busy. Still, great idea.

Back. I've been reading up on wars and distancing myself a little so I don't get totally burnt out. I'll try to update a bit more often and communicate better overall.

>>24277

I really enjoyed your synopsis; it's rare that fan fiction can produce something so good. I like the idea of multiple Jedi orders; I like the idea of multiple governments in the galaxy; I like what you have done with the imperial knights - the idea of one of them engendering conflict in the way that you describe seems highly plausible. It all makes a great deal of sense given what has gone before.

My one gripe would be that you choose to ultimately go down the well trod path of "faction x vs. faction y + there is a super weapon." I understand this sort of conflict is the central theme of all Star Wars properties, but must you limit your story in this way? There are only so many times I can read an "us versus them" story-line in this universe without it getting boring. Conflict must play a role in any good narrative, especially a Star Wars narrative, but does it have to always be so much in the foreground?

What about discovery and new frontiers? What about colonisation? What about delving further into the mysteries of the force and the origins of life in this galaxy? What about introducing a viable timeline of linear technological progression (anathema to Stars Wars, I know, but it doesn't need to be).

Anyway, the overriding point is I think you've really got something.

>>28151

>I'll try to update a bit more often and communicate better overall.

Take your time. Best to not overdo it. Burning yourself out is not only bad for one's work but for their health too.