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Besides the cinematic effect, that 'battle" does make sense? That military tactics would work? Simply marching foward under fire?
You can only see infantary running around and shooting, massive waves, some artillery and very light air support from the part of the Republic. How is that useful against an entrenched enemy, with terrain and home advantage?
Also… what kind of orders are those? "Concentrate all fire in the nearest ship"? You don't need to be a jedi or a "general" to say that.
How you would do the battle sequence to make it less Hollywoodian?
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No.10515
>>10513
>Yet we don't see a single Acclamator shot, they were just there, glorified transport ships
it probably has hoth style force field. i mean it should fucking have one, its a top secret superfactory, its only logical they would have them
>Ain't those factories planet wide?
nothing implies that. fuck even korelia and kuat arent planetwide factories mainly because kuat builds its ships in orbit
>Is that… wise?
its very, VERY risky but it also is very effective if done right. in fact it has been a tactic of frogs and some special forces for a long ass time
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No.10517
>>10515
If it had a shield… how those ships managed to enter the atmosphere? Shields had to be "open" to ships pass (Remember the rebels in Hoth had to lower their shields momentarily to their transports sneak out and their ion cannon to open fire)
>its very, VERY risky but it also is very effective if done right. in fact it has been a tactic of frogs and some special forces for a long ass time
For an extraction operation i agree, like the rescue of the senator and the jedi in that arena, really fitting to special forces. Besides that? Landing walkers, artilllery, gunships and infantary in a straight line? Just because? Makes no sense. They act like some ancient, non-long range weaponry battle. When you're a kid, it's nice to see, when you got past 30, it's awful to see.
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No.10518
Nice to see a good old fashioned war thread.
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No.10536
>>10513
>the idea was to extract the jedi and the senator from the arena
THAT WASN’T THE IDEA
The idea was that war had been declared and a Grand Army was commissioned to fight the Separatists. Geonosis was the headquarters of the droid factories and where the entire separatist movement was hanging out. The Clones were heading there to occupy and the separatists were trying to get the fuck out of dodge because they were caught with their pants down. Poggle was planning to take his people into the catacombs, implying they were expecting an occupation.
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No.10541
>>10536
The opening scene shows a cavalry rescue led by Yoda. Even if the idea was also occupy the planet, there was no reason to remove Padme and the Jedi from the battlefield.
And for fucks sake, if you are going to occupy a planet you don't march your troops into open field against an enemy with terrain advantage.
And for the occupation… there was no hint in later scenes or in the next movie that they occupied Geonosis.
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No.10544
>>10541
>The opening scene shows a cavalry rescue led by Yoda. Even if the idea was also occupy the planet, there was no reason to remove Padme and the Jedi from the battlefield.
Yoda took one landing craft to the arena and had a second strafe it. It was a small portion of his forces that he landed, extracted them, then got to the main battle.
>And for fucks sake, if you are going to occupy a planet you don't march your troops into open field against an enemy with terrain advantage.
If you have a million troops to bring to bear, you sure as shit can do that. Quantity has a quality all its own.
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No.10566
>>10544
> It was a small portion of his forces that he landed, extracted them, then got to the main battle.
Again, it only reinforces my point. They took a battered group, with an important politician, one of the leaders of the opposition, and instead of whisk them away to safety, they charge along to a battlefield.
>If you have a million troops to bring to bear, you sure as shit can do that. Quantity has a quality all its own.
200k units with a million more on the way. Lama Su never specified when that million extra would be ready. Also, throwing troops and equipment in the meat grinder is stupid in any ocasion. The Galactic Republic wasn't the WWII USSR or the Imperial Japan to perform human wave attacks.
It's a stupid tactic, specially against a droid army, which can't be intimidated by the effect of large numbers or being forced to go on melee.
If anything such tactic would be more useful on the droid army side.
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No.10571
It was a movie it was all fake none of it actually happened.
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No.10573
>>10571
Oh wow, somebody give this genius fuckwit a medal.
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No.10701
>>10573
"Concentrate all fire power on your enemy!" -Yoda.
I wonder how many years of specialized training it took to gain such a mastery of war. The only fuckwits here are the clones who need a green monkey to instruct them of their basic duties as laser fodder.
Fake movie fake war.
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No.10703
>>10701
Have a bad day at middle school, anon?
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No.10727
>literally what is a line battle
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No.10734
>>10703
1:32
"Attack those federation starships, quickly!"
Kudos to George Lucas in achieving the campy B-movie style he was apparently aiming for.
The minimalism is just unreal.
Sometimes I think star wars is more of a comedy than anything else.
Not trying to roast or anything.
But it's just too hilarious.
Do the clones even know how to dress themselves?
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No.10737
>>10727
Yes, because they were using muskets and napoleonic era tier rifles, they were also shooting in volleys. Can't you see all the smoke there is from the powder?
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No.10740
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>>10507
There was only a small amount of time between the Jedi Council discovering the existence of the clone army and mounting an invasion so I always assumed it was a desperate attempt to swarm the separatists with no forward planning or knowledge of the terrain. It was a Klendathu moment for the republic.
The second battle of Geonosis demonstrates how the republic learned from it's previous mistakes. Among other things, they brought flamethrowers to deal with the bugs.
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No.10785
>>10740
Now that is a serious attempt to give some real explanation, something that would make sense. Too bad it wasn't included in the movie. Like some scene in the temple after the battle.
Instead that senseless "Clone War has begun" (what fucking clone wars you gretchin? It wasn't a war caused by clones or against it, neither clones being used by both side. Yoda was really dumb sometimes) they should said something like
>Even if the battle was a unplanned chaotic event, the clones performance were indeed remarkable
Now some things that were terrible
>Aim above the fuel cells
Wait? Do you know the layout of Techo Union ships, Skywalker to the point of knowing where to strike and the exactly capabilities of those rockets against it?
>Attack those federation starships, quickly
Why? How those gunships would do shit against the core of a space carrier capable of resisting starfighter grade weaponry? Just because? What Obi-wan tried go achieve with that?
>Concentrate all your fire on the nearest starship
Genius, Yoda! Now you had a falling ship which caused a visible shockwave which should had pushed away all those artillery, troops and walkers away.
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No.10801
>>10785
>Do you know the layout of Techo Union ships, Skywalker to the point of knowing where to strike and the exactly capabilities of those rockets against it?
considering he built robot and quite good pod for racing all by himself at the age of like 5 or something, its possible. he is that kind of autist that reads space ship manuals and plans before going to bed
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No.10864
>>10801
Well… that makes sense. Guess Anakin should be in charge of that battle instead of Yoda.
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No.10865
>h-hey guys, aren’t those prequels stoopid?!
I wonder who is behind this post.
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No.10871
>>10865
Who said that? Not the point of thread. Don't tell me you agree that battle is well done or justifiable. It's pure Hollywood, all flash and no technique. Besides, the criticism is old, almost 20 years by now. All that CGI was criticized to hell and back.
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No.10872
>>10871
>whoa whoa whoa go-I mean, fellow star wars chauvinist! I’m just talking about THIS ONE area where the prequels were TOTALLY STUPID!
I smell your fear, Jew.
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No.10880
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>>10872
Ok kid, whatever fancies you. If you think that sequence is wonderful and that Lucas is a genius who wrote wonderful dialogues, who am i to say otherwise?
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No.10893
>>10880
>k-kid
You ruined star wars, manchild.
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No.10898
>>10893
Wait, is criticizing the doofier parts of the Prequels verboten now?
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No.10904
>>10893
Yes, because discussing and criticizing the prequels is automatically endorsing the new movies, which weren't even brought in the thread (actually i didn't even watched any of it). You seem obsessed with those new movies to the point taking any criticism of Lucas as an automatic endorsement of the Disney ones
>you guys ruined star wars
Seriously, are you being retarded on purpose? So criticizing a shit makes the pile of turd nearby valid?
>chauvinist
>jew
Go with your fat american mumbo jumbo back to 4chan or whatever/pol/ board you crawled from.
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No.10905
>>10904
I think it's just one or two autists; none of them have come after me, after all.
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No.10906
>>10904
>whatever/pol/ board you crawled from.
Knew you were a kike.
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No.10907
>>10904
>criticizing
Is that what you call it mike?
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No.10911
>>10880
>youtube embed with black squares on all sides
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No.10912
>>10906
>>10907
If you're gonna play this game, you might as well call me Rich as well.
>>10911
This dubsman gets it.
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No.10924
>>10912
>Call me Rich, please!
Are you a fat retard with a high-putched laugh?
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No.10929
>>10924
Fortunately, no. I'd just like you faggots to have some consistency.
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No.12012
>>10880
>haha he said sand how awful is this writing?
One, go back to reddit you fucking Muun; two, Anakin is an awkward yet cute and strong man that women love.
Consider how the man acts and what he does. One moment he flings himself off of a car to chase assassins without a second thought because he's brave and utterly confident in himself. The next he's completely out of his comfort zone trying to flirt but he's utterly sure this is what he wants. Women love that shit because they get a strong man out of this and the fucking rulership over the relationship. Not only that but last time she saw him he was a little child who managed to do an actually impossible feat twice; win a podrace as a human, and take out a Trade Federation Lucrehulk singlehandedly with a just starfighter. These two feats saved her ass.
Now he's a fit, attractive man who's assigned to keep her safe and is even more badass than before, and he's trying to flirt with her. Simply add in the allure of the forbidden and you have romance. All this bullshit about sand being a dumb line is just that, bullshit. it works because it doesn't and it's perfectly in character too, as the Jedi don't exactly teach flirting 101 and he has no parental figure to go to for help.
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No.12013
>>12012
For the most part, I agree. However, as underrated as the prequels are I think we occasionally overlook some of the genuine flaws in an effort to defend them against sperging redditors. The "sand" line is a bit stilted, but it's clear no one takes issue with that, as Padme's "I love the water" is equally stilted but completely ignored. If anything the plainness of the comment contributes to the air of awkwardness Anakin has about him. I think the problem comes in with Hayden Christensen's wooden performance. The written dialogue conveys that air of unsure innocence, but the way it's said is completely without the emotion that would make the awkward flirting seem passionate and genuine. Instead he sounds like–well, like he's reading script.
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No.12015
>>12013
I agree, Hayden is a good actor but he can't do awkward well without it being awkward in a bad way ironically. In his defense though, it's hard to do awkward well. The line itself however works perfectly because it doesn't.
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No.12106
>>10737
i'm talking more the formations the clones use is akin to a line battle. hell, the droid army in the arena simply marches in before the jedi use guerilla warfare to take them out. it was conventional warfare all around.
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No.12108
>>12013
>>12015
>hayden's acting
it's george directing him to be stiff you dingus. you literally just read the reason for why he comes off as autistic around padme and still go "agh the acting" and don't realize he's literally playing that shit up because it's what george wants.
only a moron says acting is bad. no, directing is bad. but is it bad directing if it fits the director's vision? no, it's them completing their objective. not every fucking scene has to be "here's looking at you, kid".
and again, remember that anakin is a jedi. emotions are not supposed to be present, and he's clearly doing his hardest to not let them get the best of him, as stated above he has no idea how scoring works.
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No.12111
>>12108
At risk of getting into autistic pedantry, there's a difference between sounding deliberately awkward and just reading the script in a monotone. Maybe it's just a manner of preference, but I just couldn't empathize with Anakin feeling awkward and confused in that particular seen. To me, his tone just sounded bored.
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No.12112
>>12111
I have to side with the Sheevposter. Hayden is actually a good actor. Problem is George wanted him to sound and act like that because its what he thought Anakin would sound like. I don't like it and I think it caused people to see Hayden in a bad light sadly, but at least he went in doing just as the director wanted.
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No.12113
>>12112
I don't necessarily disagree, nor am I trying to belittle Christensen's acting talent. Just relaying my personal impressions after that scene. I do agree with you both that the issue is more in the script and what the directing called for and less in acting ability, since Christensen pulled off other scenes rather well.
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No.12129
>>12128
You just now figured out this board exists? Then again, your comments back on /tg/ were poorly-made bait too.
>le Russian human wave meme
Die.
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No.12141
>>12128
>Soy Wars was ALWAYS bad
you came from /tv/ or something? i mean christ, i haven't seen such a lack of effort since i last did so myself.
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No.12146
>>12141
Most likely he did come from /tv/. He made similar posts on other threads and over on /tg/ within the same time frame of that post, and its obvious its him since all of them have shit spelling, complaining about SW and acting like a newfag trying too hard to fit into the /tv/-/pol/ culture.
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No.12149
>>12129
Look at what Timoshenko, Zhukov, and others did with their offensive operations & then explain how it was not "human wave" attacks.
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No.12150
>>10737
man-fireable blasters seem to have poor rate of fire and soldiers are better armored then soldiers in our history so i see no reason why they shouldnt take more risks and use formations that enable them to concentrate fire more effectivly.
i always thought that clones are fighting like pre-great war france, always advancing, in loose formation, shooting every 10 seconds
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No.27641
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No.27654
>>10517
>When you're a kid, it's nice to see, when you got past 30, it's awful to see.
age has nothing to do with it. Battle looks great, it's stylistically designed to be that way™.
>>10871
the battle is absolutely justifiable and it's an impressive sequence. "Technique" my ass.
>pure Hollywood
doesn't make sense nor does it mean anything. These aren't even hollywood films.
aotc is a beautiful work of art, there are no genuine flaws with the prequels besides them making the OT feel much more basic in comparison.
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No.27661
>>27654
This thread was a bunch of Disney shills whining and oy veying when they were called out.
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No.27686
Aside from the retarded snowspeeders attacking AT-ATs in the only direction they have guns, Hoth is actually pretty reasonable if you assume the weather prevents artillery and atmospheric bombing.
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No.27703
>Implying the invasion ever happened
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