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>>13661

I always thought the Vanir were the gods of the hunter-gatherer and horticultural Europeans, and the Aesir were the gods of the Aryans.

>>13661

That's an interesting interpretation.

I kind of intuited that the Vanir are peacetime gods, while the Aesir are wartime gods. The Aesir's superiority over the Vanir is perhaps a reminder that readiness for war is necessary to preserve peace.

>>13654

I don't think there's any precedent for neglecting one clan or the other. In fact, the Aesir-Vanir distinction is only attested in Norse sources. In Anglo-Saxon and continental sources, there are only mentions of the gods. Absence of evidence is not necessarily evidence of absence, mind; it's possible that continental and insular Germanic people did have a conception of the Aesir and Vanir as two distinct groups, but it doesn't seem to be shown anywhere. Anyway, whatever your personal thoughts on the validity or legitimacy of a distinction between two groups of gods, I'd say that there's nothing wrong with - indeed, precedents in all Indo-European traditions - for cults of particular single deities, but being part of a group who tend to a sacred grove to Nerthuz isn't the same thing as being "Asatru or Vanatru".

>>13643

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>>13664

All really interesting ideas. I've considered and seen posited by others the idea that the Vanir might be the gods of pre-Aryan indigenous northern Europeans whereas the Vanir are the gods of the invading/migrating Aryans of the period just before the Nordic bronze age, as >>13663 said, but I don't know how solidly supported this idea is. I definitely see and agree with the sense of the Vanir being more primitive, more earthy and more material, They tend to have spheres relating to land, fertility, bounty, wealth, whereas the Aesir tend to have more to do with either martial or philosophical/artistic doPost too long. Click here to view the full text.

>>13787

>Sir William Francis Butler: 'The nation that will insist upon drawing a broad line of demarcation between the fighting man and the thinking man is liable to find its fighting done by fools and its thinking by cowards.'

Thanks for the attribution. I had assumed that quote was from some Greek philosopher.

The Aesir always seemed to me to not even have domains in the strictest sense. Thor isn't the god OF thunder, thunder is just what happens when he rides his chariot around and kills giants. Odin isn't the god OF knowledge, he just has a lot of it. They are later assigned these domains, perhaps by occult-minded medieval writers. Somebody in another thread said wiccans treated their gods like pokemon, maybe the same thing was going on there.

Anyway, interesting analysis. Can you recommend a good beginner book on Hinduism?

>>13788

>Odin isn't the god OF knowledge, he just has a lot of it

Actually the older continental form of him was mainly conected to storms, death and agriculture.

His argument, from what I've read thus far, is that polytheism is too fragmented in interpretations, and too split because there are multiple Gods. I *could* understand this argument if it weren't for the fact that our goal should be to reach a consensus that clearly states the values different Gods have in their pantheons, as well as the implications those values have in terms of theological development. Another goal should be to reach a consensus that acknowledges the value to a shared European heritage that different European pantheons and the cultures surrounding them have.

I'll read the rest later, but I'd like to add that the YHWH of the Bible, as followed by Orthodoxy, Catholicism, etc. is still Semitic in origin, and still centers its chosen holy places in the Middle East. YHWH is not a good God - It's the exact kind of demon you should expect Levantine hooknoses to worship. Read the false Book of Exodus to see its true nature.

Okay, finished.

tl;dr 'pagan' myths about forced conversions are false, 'pagans' lack Holy Texts that aren't fabricated by conmen, and there's a positive spiritual presence felt at Churches even by 'pagans'. Plus anecdotal evidence via a miracle, as well as contemplation that all 40+ Christian generations in Russia were traitors and what that entails.

Ye, I'll let someone dissect these points a little, then I'll add my thoughts.

>'pagan' myths about forced conversions are false

lol, literally exactly the same what muslims say when confronted on their warmongering in asia minor and north africa. let's ignore all charlemagne's coercion in saxony, slavic lands of the wends, the various scandinavian christians who forcefully drove out indigenous norse spiritualism, the many cases of christians force converting each other to the TRUE sect etc

>Holy Texts that aren't fabricated by conmen

all the wicca crap is crap, any modern books or texts trying to add to the scoured traditions of our forebears are crap, yes i agree. really the only way our folkish ethno-faiths will return is to get rid of Jewish modernity and live agrarian lives like our ancestors. or to use a National Socialist state to organically invoke a new blood religion - which will inevitably draw on the old faiths. it must be organic, not forced.

>and there's a positive spiritual presence felt at Churches even by 'pagans'

catholics and orthodox directly appropriated pagan art and temples (the ones they didnt destroy in their Jewish iconoclasm), so it's exploiting the plunder taken from gentiles. i do not feel mystified going into a protestant church, which is the closest sect of christianity to its original teachings and scripture - free of most of the pagan adoptions of catholicism and orthodoxy

>that all 40+ Christian generations in Russia were traitors and what that entails.

nah they were just peasants going along with the realpolitik and geopolitical machinations of their masters

>>13553

>polytheism is too fragmented in interpretations

Is this nigga for real? There are 15 different Christian churches within as many miles of my house some of them double as synagogues on Saturday

Christians just want to suck their own dicks, regardless of reality. Can we stop making these threads about them? What new has been said?

>>13533

After reading this, it sounds like the guy went back to Orthodoxy due to disillusionment from the Slavic Pagan scene being mostly a Universalist/Wiccan/Liberal hot mess.

I wonder if he would've stayed if he had gotten up with the Slavic equivalent of the AFA or Odinic Rite.

>>13290

Some info from the author

AUTHOR’S NOTE ON THE TEXT

I have structured this book, perhaps, in an odd manner. Information on how to make beers is in here, but this is not a simple manual. Probably the closest thing to a step-by-step instruction to making beer is contained in appendix one. This book is primarily intended to share the poetry and beauty of ancient fermentation and only secondarily to share recipes, some more than 2,000 years old, for making ancient sacred and healing beers. Any recipe in this book that calls for malted barley can be altered by the use of canned (unhopped) malt extract or a combination of brown sugar and molasses (see appendix one for the details). And since so many people keep asking: No, I haven’t made all these beers, but I have made more than one.

>>12253

I've had nothing but good fortune with apple. It must have some vitamin or something in it that the yeast love.

Started a new batch, following a recipe very closely. I guess it can be referred to as a cyser. Total volume is a little bit over 11 liters right now, aiming to have around 10 liters after racking.

It includes:

2.2 kg honey

4 liters of apple juice

4 grated apples

water to a total of around 11 liters

This time I didn't some new things:

I added tannin hopping it will lead to a better taste and easier clearing. I think it also helps to prevents oxidization?

I adjusted the acidity to around 6.5 gram/liter using lactic and citric acid.

I added an antigelling agent to help dissolve the grated apples I also added.

The plan is to wait till the all the sugar is used up. Then I will measure the alcohol and slowly work my way to the yeast theoretical tolerance. First with 1% steps, then in smaller steps. Once I notice the sugar/honey I had doesn't lead to any further fermentation, I will adjust for the sweetness.

It's the first batch I made with some more planning and much more reading beforehand. I really hope it will turn out well.

>>13462

>The plan is to wait till the all the sugar is used up. Then I will measure the alcohol and slowly work my way to the yeast theoretical tolerance.

I hope you succeed. I tried to do this but found it to be a real pain. A few problems I ran into…

1. Mixing in the honey/sugar. I don't know of a good way to do this with a mash already under way without agitating the whole thing and whipping the dregs back into the body. Transferring it to another pot to heat up (so far the only way I can get honey to stay in solution) seems like it would fuck with the yeast. All of these options seem labor intensive.

2. Measuring the alcohol content with a traditional hydrometer. Seems to open up the mash and increase the drastically odds of contamination compared to set-it-and-forget-it. Was thinking of getting something like this: https://www.amazon.com/Refractometer-GoerTek-Refractometers-Temperature-Compensation/dp/B01G6T11KG/

I do like a very stiff mead, so if you have any luck be sure to let us know.

>>13472

I usually measure the abv when I rack it this is also when I check the pH. You would not have to do either that often anyways just once in a while to see how it is doing.

I've already done this a few times, but not with just anybody. This place is an acquired taste, that much is for sure.

Ásatrúar outside of this place, even the folkish ones, are mostly Norse Quakers who are not even prepped for the return of the sacred kings! Let's grow slowly by adding people worth listening to and send the rest to Rán.

>>13454

For a long time 4chan was able to assimilate newfags because these were only a few newfags at any given time and they were typically gradeschool script-kiddies mocking autistic kids on /b/ during class.

4chan got hit too hard this election. It took on too many posters from the rest of the internet too fast, and has become just porn, clickbait scams, forced memes, and shilling.

don't make the same mikstake here

>>13984

Yes, to some extend.

But not everything christian must be bad and there are other sources as well.

How you level up is different. Druids have to join an initiate order. Your saving throws and armor class are different. Otherwise they are very similar.

>>13989

I don't think the Odalist +2 to Hit mud people is anything to ignore.

Its the same thing

>>13973

>mfw the icelandic naming comitee exists

BASED more countries should have this, here most of our traditional names have been supplanted by english or hebraic ones.

He wrote he is icelandic, I didnt knew about the naming thing. Breno is some celtiberian name it seems.

>>13974

I don't wish the kid any malice, but the collective people come before the individual (even assuming he really is the very model of an asatrur). The collective people are in huge danger right now, it doesn't really matter if it's his fault or not.

And that's a huge assumption, frankly. Right now his major qualification is that he lives in Iceland and one of his treasonous parents is descended from vikings. Big whoop. If his faceberg likes go away and he starts facing consequences for his "beliefs," will he backpeddle into the land of libshitism? Will he be giving speeches in 10 years about how he used to be a nationalist and here's how you fight nationalism and we're all one race the human race?

>>13983

We wuz vikins an shiet mang I swer to gods!

>>13407

That is exactly what I was thinking

Christ-Stain evangelists will always be around to try to destroy everything in their path. I seriously doubt they'll be able to do anything over at >>>/pol/, they're too paranoid to be shilled.

>>13406

I have a hard time accepting this, tbh fam.

I think Bismark once said something like most wars are initiated by the defenders, because an aggressor simply acts and then expects others to submit without struggle. The war is the victim refusing to submit. if anybody has the exact quote, please let me know A mugger or a rapist doesn't want a fight or a struggle, they just want to get what they want without any risk or harm, as easily as possible. The target is the one who starts fighting. We recognize this for the individual, but fail to see the exact same process occurring on a national or cultural level.

Marxists, Jews, and Christians only get "persecuted" after they subvert a culture. Their persecution is actually the targets of subversion defending themselves with the means available. The Christians are simply crying out as they stab somebody in the back. They attack somebody, then try to deny the victims any claim to defense at all. What an insidious thing it is!

An example of this would be the US South in the 50s and 60s. Protests for desegregation were happening, giving the public the impression that these hippies were trying to bring down the system and desegregate things. Of course, those hippies and activists were the system. The system had already won the war 100 years before that, and these protests were just a means they were using to exert their authority over the south.

>>13416

Yes, and pagans were their targets. Now is time for round 2. The intercession is over the fight to determine the fate of the European people They've become weak, become complacent. Theyand Islamhave dominated the world religiously for several hundred years now and grown used to no challenge. The end of this great struggle can only come with the death of either all non-Abrahamic religions or with us pushing them back into the lands from whence they came. And as we are few in number i believe we are nearly forced into a guerilla war of sorts.

Another experience I had was walking down the road I gazed up into the clouds and at first I saw a infant with a serpent in his hand struggling against it later the same cloud form turned into a bearded man then the men opened his mouth and there was what looked like a wolf in one of his eyes then the whole thing turned into a wolf eventually it all dissipated.

>>12933

It has started happening at least biweekly now. Very frequent. Nothing important.

>>12933

Usually I just end up dreaming about it. But it's a lot like just a single frame of a day in the future. Haven't had one in a while though

It seems we all have similar experiences. I've noticed also that some day they can see "snapshots" or very short scenes of the future, and then they happen. For Some, they happen as often as once a week, while others experience them much fewer. Is anyone firmiliar with what anons are experiencing?

>>13256

That's true yeah.

>>13264

Bible has already been suggested. Can you stop with the "the heathen must be converted" autism?

Here's the thread for our official pdf collection:

>>9731

>>13196

I've just read it numerous times when scouring the internet for information, but thanks for the info anon, I'll definitely read through those links

Had a personal blot to Freya today and even though I didn't get quite the same feeling I got with my first blot I was still feeling wired for a good hour or so. Are you meant to feel something when doing a blot?

>>13292

What's a blot?

>>13297

A blot (pronounced bloat) is an offering to the gods or a particular god/goddess in order to honor them and build a relationship with them. It basically one of the main rituals of Asatru

http://www.vikinganswerlady.com/resume/worksamples/NorseDrinkingTraditions.pdf

Was reading this and tried the part where every time you take a sip you toast a god first. From what I can gather they would toast Odin first and foremost and the last toast they reserved for Freya. I did it on New Year's Eve with some Mulled Wine felt pretty good afterwards.

Part two of the three parts.

Part three of the three parts.

I believe this great presentation has a place on this board.

>>4884

Noone using the pseudo-word "cuck" has any place preaching on religious philosophy. Let your testicles drop before you speak on the subject next.

Fucking trump-worshipping sacks of shit.

Happy new years, I got a new seax and will be blooding it tonight at 12 , and taking a shot of jager

what about you friends?

>>12093

Spendlerian autism is the waifu of shitlordism

t. Anonwald Spergler

Yeah, that Christian theologian Karl Marx sure was a great, great Christian and not in any way (((something entirely different))).

>>13165

>Implying christians, jews, communists and muslims aren't all heads of the same foul beast.

>>7942

Communism isn't Christian, though. There was a similar redistribution of resources in Acts, when the apostles had a small community of Christians. But everyone gave their belongings willingly, without governmental obligation. That, and nobody held means of production that could be seized or controlled in any way. Calling Communism Christian is a silly meme. Especially when over 80% of the Bolsheviks were Jews, and nearly all Communist states in the present day and in the past have had state policies of atheism and heavily persecuted Christians.

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