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 No.13637 [Open thread]

Why is /pol/ red pilled on everything, but Christianity? They act as if there Christianity is the same as mainstream Christianity. Just because /pol/ puts a nationalist spin on Christianity, it doesn't change that Christianity is inherently universalist.

Yet, any time someone tries to bring up Paganism they shout D&C, LARPER, or shill. Yes, Christianity was a major part of European culture, but so was Paganism before brother killed and tortured their brother for a foreign and semitic god. When they were done wiping out Pagans they turned to killing and persecuting other Christians.

So /asatru/ why does /pol/ remain ignorant of the Christian question?

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 No.13660

>>13649

Yes it's fantasy, and written by a Christian. But that is precisely why it is a valuable thing to read. By leading them astray we do not necessarily turn them into hedonists, what we do is cause the distance between their god and themselves to grow. When this happens they are more easily drawn away from the faith and perhaps to paganism. Do not discard it simply because it is written by a Christian.

>>13652

>>13653

While I will not argue your points I was mostly referring to things irl rather than on /pol/. I trust the board in general not to fall for jewish tricks. They've honed their jewdar to the point they can easily see kikery in the Semitic faiths.

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 No.13667

>>13659

If we can manage to remove jewish influence, our people will have no reason to drink poison. It's the great struggle, if we manage to do that we can stop the genocide of our people and we'll return to our natural ways. If we don't we die.

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 No.13669

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>>13659

>>13659

Yes but only after Ragnarök has taken place

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 No.14930

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 No.14935

>>13669

>>13659

It will take miracles, which will take charisma, goodwill and a big following.

>>14930

>Look at these mutts looking slightly white

>Jesus was one too except also jewish, that's why we paint him as a westerner

Nigger please

>>13637

They confuse the cancer with the salvation of Europe. They see the rise of Christianity and how it coincided to some extent with the rise of Europe, but they don't understand that Christianity was the beginning of the fall, that it was what reined in the horses rather than pushing them on.

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 No.9206 [Open thread]

I was walking on a trail pretty far back in the big south fork national park, and I was approached by an old man in a grey jacket with the hood up. While he was still about 45 feet away I saw him bend down and pick something up. As we got closer he said to me "I love this park, the trees are very nice." This is the point I noticed he only had one eye, he looked up at the trees and I saw that his right eye was glass, and didn't move. I told him that I liked the park as well, and that the trees were very nice. He started to take a step and stopped, he gave me a stone (what I'm assuming he picked up) and told me to keep it. This is the stone in the picture. Was I visited by Odin?

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 No.9248

Maybe. Maybe you projected Odin onto some old geologist who likes to do smalltalk when hiking. Either way is fine, the world needs more Odin.

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 No.14873

Good story anon. You are blessed with a magic stone.

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 No.14910

Always carry it with you.

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 No.14931

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>>9206

This >>14910

Magic or not, it's a pretty and useful crystal magic missile.

[spoiler]https://youtu[/spoiller].be/H8zitBN6ih0

"Away from his arms in the open field

A man should fare not a foot;

For never he knows when the need of a spear

Shall arise on the distant road." - Hávamál stanza 38

Hail!

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 No.14932

>>14931

Don't mind me while I fix my post… have a bump.

https://youtu.be/H8zitBN6ih0?t=58s

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 No.11026 [Open thread]

How do you all feel about translating Asatru names and terms to Modern English words?

I've heard a lot of arguments of "sacred" language and people saying "READ ELIADE'S THE SACRED AND PROFANE" but I personally don't buy it.

The ancient pre-Christian people were telling the myths in the language of the people, not in a "high church" style language. They all knew what the names of the gods/goddesses actually meant with multiple shades of meaning, etc.

I know that the Norreana Society tried to do this in their "Asatru Edda" but from the reviews I read, they only translated some words into modern English and left other words untranslated, which is pretty odd.

Thoughts on this?

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 No.14912

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 No.14787 [Open thread]

Stephen Mcnallen talks about the revival of Wotan's archetype

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vIeLW8OPomg

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 No.14796

I get the feeling with this guy that his boomer awareness is preventing him from fully embracing millenial heathens into his movement, or why would he not answer any email requests

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 No.14872

i could beat this guy up 1v1 and I'm Christian. not even joking

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 No.14906

YouTube embed. Click thumbnail to play.

McNallen defending The Confederacy.

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 No.14908

>>14906

Now this is kino

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 No.14877 [Open thread]

Are these wiccan-tier?

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 No.14880

>>14879

germania and the havamal as far as sticks, chanting and blood-staining goes

the specifics on how they were done i dont remember, its a runestone in norway that describes how the man erected the runestone by taking a stone that had never seen sunlight, carving it "without iron", chanting the runes' names onto them and staining them with the blood of a kinsmen to the dead man, who in that case was also the man erecting the stone. dont remember which specific runestone though, theyre all categorized with codenames and numbers most of the time

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 No.14881

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>>14880

woot 1488 get praise kek

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 No.14883

>>14880

Thanks

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 No.14896

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imo yes but thats subjective.

If you are religious you pray to something higher that it may shift fate a bit in your favour, make you bear your sins and being an icon of morality for you to relie on.

Magic used to be interwoven with that but even the roman intellectuals who were a very superstituous people themselves often argued whether stuff like oracles and direct questioning of the gods via the means of casting lots wouldnt be a bit too vain to assume having an impact. In the end, you expect something to happen because you demand it, why should the demand be met?

That comes from a time were we didnt know that much about the world and could fill the unknown with much more paranormal then there is to it. Whatever lower spiritism there is with which you seek to conjure ghosts to do stuff or do a ritual to influence someone else or see in the future it usually often only descends into vodoo niggery were communities get poisoned by paranoia that someone else might cast a lot against you or bogged down in loosing the trust in their own abilities as everthing must or can be divinated.

So..

For what purpose?

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 No.14904

>>14896

agreed, and the idea of using runestones like a oracle lot is a very wiccan idea. we arent entirely sure if the "blood-stained glyphs" mentioned in germania were runes, its very likely they were but there arent detailed descriptions of them. from what we know the runes were used as a sacred alphabet to write on gravestones, to record the deeds of the dead, to inscribe a sort of sacred chant or glyph thought to have protective qualities or to enchant a weapon with their power, as described in the Sigrdrífumál where Sigurd learns from a Valkyrie to carve Tiwaz runes on his sword to give it victory in all battles. there is no direct evidence they were used for divinitory purposes, their function is closer to a sacred alphabet.

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 No.13205 [Open thread][Last50 Posts]

>feel empty inside

>wonder if religion can help fill that void

>zero faith in the modern christian, catholicuck religions of today

>not nordic so looking up Norse Paganism feels kinda weird

>since I'm Scottish I look up Celtic Paganism

>wade through the LARPy Wiccan faggotry

>read about how bro-tier the Gods were and how their outlook was basically:

>"treat someone well, but if they fuck with you or your countrymen then make your revenge on them threefold"

>actually feels great studying this stuff even though I've always hated studying

>decide to look up and see if I wasn't the only one interested in this stuff

>turns out "Celtic Pagan Reconstructionism" is a thing

>over the fucking moon

>"finally, the place for m- oh fuck no"

http://www.paganachd.com/faq/misconceptions.html#racist

https://www.reddit.com/r/Paganacht/comments/5kb8ol/are_there_any_instances_of_gender_variance_or/

>it's tumblr buzzword bullshit LARP faggotry

>no doubt they saw an image of a Triquetra and decided to research it

>saw that Wiccanry was "too mainstream"

>thought they'd call themselves Pagan to be "fresher, cooler and even more special"

>only following parts they want to and ignoring the parts that go against there identity politics

>"Maybe I'm being to cynical, perhaps they just don't know any better?"

>decide to message these folk and correct their hypocracy and blatant lies

>"Fuck off racist I don't care! You're blocked!"Post too long. Click here to view the full text.

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 No.14860

You fucks need to read more metaphysics.

Týr is the same as Iu-pitar and Zeus exoterically, but not the same esoterically. You all need to realize that Aryan religions are not static but dynamic, as long as there is spiritual truth along a path it is considered a good religion. (Abrahamics do not have these, they are lunar religions).

Also for the Celtic dude, I feel so sorry for you. Here's a tip, Evola's "Mystery of the Grail" has tons of references and explanations about Celtic mythology until about chapter 13

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 No.14862

>>14688

>>14688

>I analised that and Tyr really seems not to be Mars but Venus.

>

>His opponent at Ragnarok is Garm which is scorpio, opposite sign is Taurus ->Tyr =God-Bull

Astronomy has nothing to do with the believes of our ancestors, srry.

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 No.14882

>>14339

The few sources for celtiberian paganism I've been able to find are for the most part in spanish, and if they're in english they reference spanish/portuguese source material, which is to be expected. I'm primarily of Iberian(spanish) descent and I've been looking into celtiberian paganism for a few months now. Eventually I'd like to translate some of the spanish source material on celtiberian beliefs into english, and also collect it all in one place probably a subreddit or something, Id want it to be easily accessible but I dont know how to host websites. Ideally I'd find people to help me translate and catalog information but for now its just me.

https://www.youtube.com/user/corvusbruxonemeton is a pretty good channel. as expected he goes the anti racism route but he does argue that ancestral religions are logically practiced by people who have a claim to that ancestry.

Here's some other resources I've found in the past few months:

https://nemetonkredimi.wordpress.com/

http://www.celticahispana.com

https://goldentrail.wordpress.com (this one is in english)

http://www.celtiberia.net/es/inicio/

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 No.14893

>>14862

yes it does, and a lot!

LOL

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 No.14895

>>14893

Most basic "astronomical aspects" of pagan believes which even nu-pagan retards like you can understand are gods of SUN and MOON

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 No.14793 [Open thread]

Do you consider ancestor tablets a suitable way to venerate them?

Also, ancestor veneration general I guess.

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 No.14843

>>14837

>the bible forbids ancestor worship

No one said become christian, just venerate your ancestors accordingly. Prior to 2000 years of recorded history all you can go off of is myth and folk superstitions….who knows.

Christian ancestors is a given fact and they form much of your important bloodline

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 No.14850

>>14842

>what my ancestors lived and died for

fuck you faggot , your god will always be of jewish origin, remember that you spiritual cuckold

im not venerating the faggot cuckolds that slaughtered their own brothers and tore down their fathers idols , the same way i am not venerating my faggot cuckold ancestors that went to germany and slaughtered my brothers, raped my sisters and paved the way for germany to become a mudslime shithole.

you know who the first ancestors that paved the way for all the shit we are dealing with now? the ones that decided to abandon thousands of years of aryan culture, abandon their own ancestors and take up a faggot jew god. that was what started the spiritual and psychological destruction of the white man, and you are its end result, a faggoty, womanly coward who would let muslims rape your women because at least theyre abrahamics. fuck you queer go kiss your jew god on his feet like a slave

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 No.14861

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>>14835

Unless you're actually European and not middle eastern, in which case your ancestors were christian for significantly less than 2000 years. I also adore how you kike-lovers are always willing to ignore the previous 500,000 years of folkish religion. You don't care about your ancestors any more than you care about your descendants, you throw away both and the natural world for your want of a celestial north korea. Now fuck off.

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 No.14865

>>14861

>500,000 years of folkish religion

Not the kike shill, but indo-european religions only reached europe after the end of the last ice age. (Furthermore, modern humans only evolved ~200K years ago so the 500K figure is way off unless you are implying that other homo species had our religion before we even evolved and we learned it from them somehow.)

Before that europe had cro-magnon religion, language, and culture.

Granted, that we are also part aryan, so those parts of our ancestry had a similar religion to ours for longer than that, and that cro-magnon religion was far closer in morality to ours than to semetic religions, but what you are saying isn't perfectly valid.

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 No.14871

>>14850

Holy shit you're a huge faggot. You think your ancestors knew what that war would lead to? You believe your regular joe white man raised in the 30's had the opportunity to learn or understand the jews or NS Germany like us? No, they saw what the news said, read the papers, went to work/school, flirted with girls, and went to fight for their leaders like anybody else. They followed the ways of their people and their fathers like our people do. Are you going to shit talk your ancestors who fought neighboring tribes because they killed their brothers? You'll never understand and appreciate your ancestors until you can look at their actions with respect to the information they had when making the decisions. Our ancestors were DECIEVED by jews. They didn't have /pol/ to consult.

Maybe you'll understand when you hit puberty how disgraceful you're being.

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 No.9101 [Open thread]

Like the page if you've got ZOGbook bruhfams

https://www.facebook.com/larpypaganmemes/

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 No.13833

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>>9101

Not explicitly asatru but still relevant

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 No.14540

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OC

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 No.14678

>>13715

>chastity being bad

Germanics weren't degenerates.

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 No.14867

>>14678

You're right, the word I should have used in place of chastity is celibacy.

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 No.14869

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 No.14825 [Open thread]

Other Aryan Religions include

>Other European Paganism

>Hinduism

>Zoroastrianism

>Jainism

>Buddhism

>Sikhism

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 No.14712 [Open thread]

Been seeing this terms pop up more often in my readings and I cant seem to find any consensus between authors on what they mean.

Same equate Magan and Hamingja as the same thing (ancestral luck) others say Magan is the Germanic term for mana.

Orlag as I understand it is layers of fate or personal deeds one contributes to the wells around Yggdrasil.

Wyrd is the most contentious of the 4 as I understand it it is potential fate like the threads themselves in the quilt of fate.

These authors keep alluding to them being related to fate but on the hand they say Germanic peoples did not believe in fate or had no concept of a "Future".

What do guys think?

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 No.14736

>>14733

Thanks for clarifying. Some of the books I have read on the subject ended up reading more like technical manuals then to say philosophy.

How do you feel about the theory that Germanics had no concept of "future"? Or that they were not concerned with what things may be?

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 No.14737

>>14736

>Thanks for clarifying.

No problem but keep in mind, it's just my personal interpretation.

Regretfully we have no sources explaining these concepts.

>How do you feel about the theory that Germanics had no concept of "future"?

They believed in prophecies and knew that there was an end to all things (death), so the idea that they didn't have a concept of future is silly.

Also, Skuld is literally the Norn of future.

Biologically speaking Germanic are low time preference white people, not high time preference niggers. Delayed gratification means you have a concept of future. They had to be in order to not starve in the winter.

If people say this kind of shit call them what they are, anti-white retards.

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 No.14747

This is way less complicated than it's made out to be.

Orlog is the parts of your fate that were set at birth. You're a fuckin white male, born in x country, etc.

Wyrd is fate that isn't set. You can alter it and so can the people/events in your life.

Hamingja is your ancestral inheritance of honor/luck. It is sometimes personified like a guardian angel.

Maegan is the luck you build up day to day by performing honorable actions, and determines the hamingja you pass to your children.

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 No.14750

>>14747

>This is way less complicated than it's made out to be.

You're just looking at this true a modernist's lens, simplifying and separating things in neat little packages to make them more digestible when most of these concepts are intertwined and are not supposed to be easily understood.

It's really regrettable that so little of the meta-physics and philosophies of the magical/priestly casts have survived.

>Orlog is the parts of your fate that were set at birth.

Except that Orlog isn't just the past, it's also the future and present. It's not a coincidence that Orlog is woven by past, present and future.

>Wyrd is fate that isn't set. You can alter it and so can the people/events in your life.

Except there are things you can never alter that are part of your wyrd, your birth and your death.

Frigg's ability to predict the future was because she could read the orlog. This caused her to try and change Baldur's wyrd, she failed because death is unchangeable.

>It is sometimes personified like a guardian angel.

This is just wrong, Hamingja, Fylgja and the Disir are not the same thing. They share aspects but they are not the same.

>Hamingja is your ancestral inheritance of honor/luck.

>Maegan is the luck you build up day to day by performing honorable actions, and determines the hamingja you pass to your children.

I don't know much about Magan but from the way you describe it it's part of Hamingja in the same way that the wyrd is part of Orlog.

Makes sense that there is this kind of continuation of themes.

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 No.14780

>>14750

I simplify because there's no need to explain these concepts with a wall of text.

Orlog means "original law". This needs no further exposition. The norns weave wyrd and you can affect it.. Not all of it, of course, but if your wyrd is 100% set, what's the point of doing anything?

Correct, hamingja, the disir and your fetch are not the same thing, but as I said, hamingja are sometimes personified as guardian spirits.

Regardless, these are concepts handed down to us from the bronze and iron ages. They don't really have set definitions and are always going to be murky and grey shaded. As you said it is a shame we don't have more left to us from the priestly caste.

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 No.14716 [Open thread]

Paganism/Heathenism are big umbrella terms that also encompass buddhism and its sects.

The greco-romans actually traded and dialogued with buddhists even hellenized the religion in some centuries.

So for those looking to reconstruct paganism by looking at runes or Odin myths don't worry, buddhism is still a pristine and complete pagan "path" to practice.

>As Buddhism expanded in Central Asia and fused with Hellenistic influences into Greco-Buddhism, the Greek hero Heracles was adopted to represent Vajrapāni. In that era, he was typically depicted as a hairy, muscular athlete, wielding a short "diamond" club. Buddhaghosa associated Vajrapāni with the deva king Indra.[13] Some authors considers that the deity which is depicted is actually Zeus, whose Classical attribute is the thunderbolt.[15]

pic related, heracles protecting buddha.

vid related, Evola on buddhism. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pbOgXfMcLoQ

Really buddha embodies the highest form of the pagan solar ideal, warrior ascetic mode.

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 No.14738

Yeah, but the problem with buddhism right now is that people want to apply the asian cultural aspect of it and apply in the west. There is NOTHING in buddhism that says that we shouldn't use our own cultural traditions on the pratice of buddhism. Maybe some based monk will finally create a new form of western buddhism (rip greco-buddhism) which most certainly would have a strong pagan basis.

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 No.14742

Buddhism is a matter of taste. Sidhartha Gautama was a visionary man in deriving Hinduism into a digestible and sensible format for mankind. But, some great tenets are absent from it that separates it from the others. Asatru removes the "slave" status from the relationship between the Universe and Man. Hellenism removes the Universe's involvement entirely, and lays blame upon the follies of the Gods. Buddhism suggests that what comes, comes. You can't change it. Other Gods and understandings say otherwise.

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 No.14746

>>14738

Pretty silly tbh considering how accomodating of other religions Buddhism is. Asians kept almost all of their native beliefs and simply applied a Buddhist perspective to them.

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 No.14748

>>14746

Buddhism is not so much accommodating of other religions as it is accommodating of the truths nested in those religions.

Buddha was very outspoken and energized when it came to rebuking false teachings and false paths and putting things into perspective, he even argued with Gods (and won).

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 No.14734 [Open thread]

Discovery of huge Viking camp reveals secrets of Norse armies in medieval England

Archaeologists have uncovered an enormous Viking encampment in eastern England, a discovery that reveals much about the Norse armies that invaded Britain in the 9th century.

>The new study by the universities of York and Sheffield shows that the Torksey camp on the River Trent in Lincolnshire was larger than most contemporary towns. Home to thousands of Viking warriors and their families, a force much larger than previously believed, the Norsemen are thought to have wintered in the area before launching a larger invasion.

“The Vikings had previously often raided exposed coastal monasteries and returned to Scandinavia in winter, but in the later 9th century they came in larger numbers, and decided to stay,” Professor Julian Richards from the University of York said.

“This sent a very clear message that they now planned not only to loot and raid – but to control and conquer.”

Scientists had known of the Torksey camp for years, although its size and exact location has been a source of much debate.

Now, the study reveals that the camp lay within a naturally defended area of higher ground, partially surrounded by marshes and bordered on its western side by the River Trent.

Using metal detectors, the researchers found evidence of Vikings repairing their boats and melting down looted gold and silver to make metal bars to trade. More than 300 lead game pieces were also found, suggesting the Vikings passed a lot of their time playing games, waiting for spring and the start of their next offensive.

The discovery forms the basis of a new virtual reality exhibition at Yorkshire Museum illustrating what life was like in the camp in the winter of 872-873 AD.

Professor Dawn Hadley, who led the research, said: “The Vikings’ camp at Torksey wPost too long. Click here to view the full text.

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 No.14735

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 No.14710 [Open thread]

Pagan Ireland and the Survival of the European Worldview

>altright.com/2017/05/15/pagan-ireland-and-the-survival-of-the-european-worldview/

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 No.14423 [Open thread]

So I have been thinking about taking up Yoga. Now I am not taking this up to be trendy. But after listening to several people talk about its benefits and thinking about it for some time I am considering taking it up.

I have had back issues for a year now and been doing stretches anyway for months for it. But I have always felt I am not getting a deep enough stretch.

Stephen McNallen even wrote a blurb about how he does Yoga and that swayed my opinion more in its favor.

Anyways what does everyone think?

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 No.14467

>>14456

>Where can I read about Danish gymnastics?

Try mid to late 19th century gymnastics manuals.

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 No.14554

Galdr and Seidr. More close to real yoga which is beyond exercises.

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 No.14646

>>14443

This, absolutely. Do bodyweight exercises to complement weight lifting. I do "plank" exercises combined with movement which strengthen my "core" muscles while giving me flexibility.

Slow stretching movements are essentially yoga, very important to do daily. Give it a at least fifteen minutes a day.

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 No.14704

>>14455

Yoga was invented by Aryans duck shit

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 No.14708

>>14704

>Yoga was invented by Aryans duck shit

The word, not the practise, which is European.

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 No.14692 [Open thread]

Thought you guys would appreciate this poem, which is also a small guide to Pounds' pagan thought.

https://www.counter-currents.com/2013/01/religio-or-the-childs-guide-to-knowledge/

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 No.14693

And "Axiomata" which is also a sort of catechism on Pound's paganism.

http://unterrified.blogspot.com/2016/11/ezra-pounds-axiomata-1921.html

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