/asatru/ - Asatru / Heathenry / Paganism

>>12887

"We should not call the most populous city the best, but that which best preserves the race of the original inhabitants."

- Isocrates

Fuck off shill.

>>12873

I mean, from a rational standpoint, there's nothing inherently wrong with race mixing. It's only a problem if your racial and cultural identity as a whole is under threat, in which case, you want to produce more pure breeds who will feel more compelled to defend your race/culture. And I do think European identity is under threat to a certain degree due to mass migration, which is why we're seeing an unprecedented resurgence of ethnonationalism in the West.

But hey, we're all here posting on a forum for an ancient snow nigger religion, no one said any of this had to be rational. If you feel there's spiritual value in racial purity, then go for it.

>>12902

>snow niggers

confirmed shill or troll

and yes there are rational reasons to not allow race mixing are you fucking stupid? you want your kids to be half nigger do you? good luck raising a bunch of dumbshits who are so different from you they might as well be another species

not to mention even if they didnt come out uglier than hell and dumber than shit, consider what its like to be a mulatto. one side of your ancestry raped and pillaged the other, the other side are a bunch of savage niggers with nothing in common with the former. which one do you align with? do you reject both and adopt a new culture? this is why most mulattos are rejected by blacks almost more than they are by whites, they go against tribal instinct. they are an inner threat because there isnt a sure way of telling where their loyalties lie

im explaining this mostly to other posters, you can fuck off and go back to /christ/ or JIDF

How do you figure that Mark Anthony and Cleopatra where of differing races?

I never bothered to get into Egyptian, maybe because of the names and hard to follow mythology. Still looks easier than trying to remember all of the Slavic gods.

It was on /fringe/ that I started seeing the greatness of Hermes, but that's about all I know from Greece aside from a few names of gods and titans. Greek mythology is introduced by the school system, so I don't feel too in the dark about it.

Rather than looking deeper into either of those, I first want to learn more of some other pagan gods and legends that I know nothing about, such as Finnish, Inuit, and Mongolian.

I'll have to take a serious look at Egyptian some time.

I'll eventually get around to everything.

>>12943

Brometheus is pretty ok

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Restorationism

Many Christian primitivists such as the Bible Students / Jehova's Witnesses correctly describe our customs as pagan, i.e. Germanic or Indo-European, in origin and therefore refuse to celebrate Yule and the other seasonal feasts, birthdays etc. and hold religious services devoid of art and beauty.

We can point to them when challenged about our reappropriation, but things should go smoothest if we simply accept the traditions in the shapes they currently have and step by step enhance their Germanic content by replacing overtly Christian elements with the Germanic equivalents they previously displaced. I think Red Ice achieved this rather nicely with their segment explaining the origins of the Lucia celebration.

I have noticed some Abrahamites trying to stir anti-Germanic sentiment on /pol/ by pretending to be followers of the old customs while rudely denouncing "Christmas" in all its forms. Since the only way to restore order is for each of us to become dominant in society, we must avoid to be seen as rebellious troublemakers and should instead take our cues from the kings of old, e.g. Athanareiks.

It's easy, just follow all the practices we know of due to the thoughtful and determined documentation by Christians. :^)

>>13070

>>13074

Thanks fam

Going back home to Europe until January, catching the plane in a few hours. I haven't been there in 5 years so I'm pretty hyped. Living in one of the most pozzed places in NA really takes a toll on you.

Today, I gathered a bottle of water from the nearest river source in exchange for a small ceramic bowl of rye and a coin I flipped into the karst spring. I plan to splash it around in a cleansing ritual involving the burning of dried herbs.

Today I finished decorating the Yule tree, adding a lot more lights to it and glass and pine cones and baubles from Nuremberg and a star-shaped light on top. I am going to be celebrating with my fam tbh fam.

>>13092

Wow, she's really beautiful. If that isn't channeling the gods, nothing is.

Is there much of difference between the organizations of Asatru?

I found someone from my city on www.irminsul.org/aw/awusase.html but the list was updated six years ago, lots of dead links. There is also http://www.asatru.org/aakindreds.php but nothing close by.

AFA shows someone from my state but I couldn't find his city anywhere, nor does his name lead me to any personal website of his.

This is the closest to me and this website looks like it hasn't been touched in a decade. http://www.angelfire.com/fl/hrimfaxi/

What does the AFA clergy do?

>>7874

Highly tempting as a prospect for the future, though I don't yet fit the requirements. The AFA is the best "mainstream" heathen organisation, to me, though I still think I'd like to just sort out my own little wholly autonomous group. More easily said than done, I suppose, given how sparse we are.

>bloodaxe

Isn't this guy like 1/2 spic or is that some other tripfag?

>>13011

Nope not a spic. Not even a drop of spic blood.

>>12871

>Thor & Hercules

>Fictitious

>>>/atheism/

>>>/christian/

>>>/bog/

>>>/reddit/

>>>/out/

>>>/winterchan/590

Btw OP I am a hardcore pagan and can't even properly think anymore in the sandnig worldview at all. The way I see the world is as alive, animated, mental, living, emotional, spirited, etc.

>>12870

>What is the place of religion in the modern world?

To re-instill basic the moral principles that Christianity has subverted:

Family/Blood

Strength

Nature/Crafts. Not living an artificial life in an artificial world.

Yeah i reckon he wouldn't mind red ice radio as long as they didn't ask him much about his metalhead past.

This guy seems to have deleted his network and all his podcasts from the internet.

>>12019

what do you mean, many people have the gift of prophecy today.

>>12551

>>12551

Actually what you're refering to is called precognition

>>8237

Defeatist kali yuga bullshit

The golden age has yet to come. Get ready to fight motherfucker

>>12884

>>12884

No ragnarök is greenpilled

Now up

>>8390

Collin is a great writer. Have any of you guys read his essay on politics and the connection to Asatru? he explains really nicely why dildo asatruism is fucking retarded

http://www.counter-currents.com/2012/10/asatru-and-the-political/

>>8394

The author makes it explicit that he thinks Asatru is only for Northwest Europeans. How do you think he would feel about someone who was, say, half German and half Italian, or half German and half Greek?

>>12905

If that person wanted to be a part of Asatru, I mean.

>>12906

Majority (more than half to be safe, half is pushing it but maybe still possible) NW Euro. For non-euro blood, 1/4 maximum, and any mixture must be with a non-garbage people. Patrilinear line is preferred in all cases.

Passing that benchmark would warrant individual consideration on a case-by-case basis.

Such individuals should breed back into NW Euro if they pass, and should stay as a small minority in any asatru group, an exception that proves the rule.

This is off the top of my head. Feel free to add your thoughts.

>>8129

likee muslimas?

well i celebrated sinterklaas today, which is clearly a form of worshipping woden.

a few weeks ago we wrote our names on notes, accompanied by stuff we'd like as a gift. then we closed our eyes and took one note each, we then had to prepare a gift with a funny poem about that person, and then on december the 5th we exchanged gifts, in name of st nicholas. the dutch myth around st nicholas is very like odin, he rides over the roofs on his horse at night (sleipnir and the wild hunt) acompanied by his black helpers(huginn and munin, though the fucking (((antiracist))) niggers in our country have us believing that they're slaves) and he brings gifts and chocolate letters (runes) to children. i think that if (((industrialists))) hadn't commercialised christmas so badly, this is probably what it would have looked like in america as wel.

>>8119

It's most likely learningchode/the anti-germanic spammer from 4chon. He constantly used this exact pic in the past for his shitposts there.

>>8119

>Its unclear if this is because wolves blood is sacred, or because it is cursed.

it's actually because frith must be maintained in sacred spaces, and drawing weapons and killing is a breach of frith.

>>8133

but it specifically says wolves blood, I dont remember the exact phrase but one of the gods suggests that they cannot kill the pup because "wolves blood" would stain asgard

>>8110

My opinion is the same as with any other kind of hunting. Hunt, but respect nature and don't be wasteful.

If they're endangered, don't hunt them at all. In general, I wouldn't do it unless they'd been a nuisance to your animals. If you do kill one, just make sure to make good use of its fur at least.

>>8110

1. Take what you need, use all you take respectfully, give back what can be given to ensure a balanced stability of abundance remains for your children. Protect your nest as any animal does, but do not prowl about seeking enemies where none have trespassed.

2. On the British side of my ancestry, I get my family name from a village near Cheshire England dating back to about the year 1100 CE. Our family crest is of a bloodied, disembodied wolf head as the eldest named patriarch of our lineage was a wolf slayer of legendary repute. This was by no means an isolated practice either, and it predates Cromwell by a full half millennia! I sincerely doubt my namesake elder was the first.

Keep in mind our mythology is a blend of exaggerated historical retellings, bland religious filler, and insightful allegories.

Try not to read too much into any particulars. Look at the myriad of names Odin has. The gods, much like ourselves, are a dynamic representation of a myriad of archetypes put forward in the form of stories.

Sometimes it helps to make cross cultural comparisons; Tiwaz is etymologically linked to Zeus and Deus. The Aesir-Vanir war has parallels to the war of the Titans where the Olympic gods overthrew an older set of gods.

Back to your question: Freyja and Frigg may be more like two sides of the same coin, as with Odr and Odin. I think the Vanir are generally symbolic of primal, cyclical forces and the Aesir symbolize higher aspects of the mind. There probably is some historicity to ancient tribal invasions. And sometimes stories are just stories.

http://norse-mythology.org/gods-and-creatures/the-aesir-gods-and-goddesses/frigg/

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>>8045

this

>>8030

Personally, I believe that Frigg and Freya are simply two aspects of the same goddess. Worthy of note: In Norse mythology, the Aesir-Vanir distinction is a thing, and we have both Frigg and Freya, whereas in Anglo-Saxon and continental sources, we see only Frigg/Frige/Frija and no mention of the Vanir as a group (though we do have gods and goddesses which the Norse considered Vanir, they're just mentioned as "gods" rather than "gods of the Vanir").

I think there might be something in the Aesir/Vanir split, I think it might relate to the religions of the R1a and R1b carrying Indo-European migrants (represented by the Aesir) and that of the I1 carrying indigenous northern European people (represented by the Vanir) but it's hard to know for sure.

>>8037

>>8045

Some good insight here; Tiwaz was once the chief god, somehow seemingly "usurped" by Wodanaz. We don't know much about Nerthuz unless I'm mistaken, something I'd read about her (I think having groves on sacred islands?) made me consider her as a goddess relating to water. I know some say that she might be Njörð, and that a change in perceived gender happened whenever for whatever reason, but some source mentions Njord having a wife who remains un-named - perhaps Nerthuz is Njörð's wife. If so, she could well be a goddess with a strong land or sea association; or both, given her island deal.

>I think the Vanir are generally symbolic of primal, cyclical forces and the Aesir symbolize higher aspects of the mind.

I like this, definitely agree. Interesting that the Vanir are associated with prophetic foresight and with the practice of seiðr, but still, the Vanir tend to have very "earthy" spheres, a lot of relation to fertility and bounty and "landedness", with Ingwia-Fraujaz being a good example in being a god of fertility of the land to be given offerings for good harvest, a god ofPost too long. Click here to view the full text.

>>8045

I would take this in a more pragmatic position by saying we need to bear in mind that the gods and spirits we know the most about are "late" era. post agricultural evolutions of something far older.

Earlier people personified the forces of nature as gods as they were so thoroughly at the mercy of a temperamental climate, rivers, animals, decays, disease, etc. As greater Germanic Europe became less nomadic/hunter gatherer, agricultural lifestyles retired or at least blunted many of these threats.

But the gods didn't go away. Mankind just reframed their definitions of the gods as something more in line with their changed world view. The gods were sometimes still associated with natural forces but were not the forces themselves anymore.

Given a very large view of historic behaviors it is very likely many of the gods are in fact the "same" as the primal forces earlier ancestors worshipped. That personas split or were combined by people in later eras is not surprising. You're not the first to suggest that Frigg and Freyja were probably the same deity in an earlier time.

This is what leads people like me to see the "god characters" more as archetypes than literal personas. There are hints of truth in there, but probably shouldn't be taken too literally. And it's always worth mentioning that we moderns' preoccupation with the gods is out of line with our ancestral world view. To the ancient heathens, the landvaettir and house wights, alfar, disir, and ancestral spirits would have been their day to day focus of practical worship. Even shamanic ritual, which did often base some of its validity in the cosmology surrounidng the actions of various deities, was just as often divorced from them entirely. Outside of shamanistic warrior god cults, the gods were more or less still distant forces that were above mankind the way we are above ants. They don't typically take notice of us and it's often for the best that they don't.

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>>8192

>implying I didn't say right after "TAKE WITH A GRAIN OF SALT"

>Implying it isn't obvious that snorri is embellishing or has his lore wrong

>implying even if he is right that he's referring to gooks and not Aryans from central Asia

>implying the medieval word Asia refers to gookland and not the middle east and the high steppes

and you call me a novice. Go read some fucking books walhaz.

>>8195

yes but lets be realistic here, if we formed an actual military made of dudes wearing animal pelts in the modern era it would be completely impractical. Maybe for elite or shock troops they could wear bear pelts over their armor, but that might cancel out the powers of it. Other than that the only way I see them being brought back is as a ceremonial position, done during rites or sacrifices to Odin and accompanied by spear dancing.

Why do congolese warriors wear charms loaded up by the power of rapemagic?

People were superstitious as fuck.

>>8183

I once read that in the swedish middleages people did not used certain pelts for cloth like those of wolves because they believed the properties of the animals fur might influence the wearer.

What was later on thought to make your character worse was first maybe used deliberately to dehumanize yourself to do the grisly work that is tribal warfare.

Because it's fucking cool.

Read Jungs book "Man and her symbols".

Talks a bit about the primitive mind.

Pagans survived for a long time in rural areas and with peasants and we are not sure for how long. So there likely aren't famous people because if they became known and pagan they would probably be killed. Like how many witches were pagans and how many were just an excuse to get rid of a certain woman. Even when it was eradicated as people talking explicitly about it, early christianity had lots of pagan elements and the folklore of most countries have pagan roots and some of them last all up to today.

>>7469

>based Himmler

>Baphomet, aka a Satanist (most of the time laveyan atheism-in-black-robes) symbol

anon pls, what's the adversary of abrahamic faiths got to do with *heathenry*? Surely the goal is to restore what's ours, not adopt the worldview and pantheon of them

Fuuuck forgot link

http://archive.is/EKz2U

Good question.

I can't think of anything that this explicitly means. You could use this as a chance to perform a blot for almost any reason, maybe as a celebration of nature, maybe for more personal esoteric reasons.

Normal months are by definition lunar, in contrast with solar year and seasons. There can only be black moons and blue moons if your month is just an arbitrary fraction of a year.