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>Someone who honors their ancestors and upholds traditions

Or

>Some dude with a personality disorder and stupid mustach who thinks he's some guy from 80 years ago because he has no personality or identity of his own

>>19681

>beautiful white woman

>can breed many white children with her

>save the white race

In reality, our abilities are highly limited by economics, so giving birth to and raising many children of the Europoid Race is actually not an easy task at this year.

>>19681

>beautiful white woman

>can breed many white children with her

>save the white race

>fertile and ripe for breeding

>must breed fertile woman

>i love those genetics

>must breed with women

I don't care. I can be born anywhere next time, even on another planet in the Milky Way galaxy. If the government doesn't want primitive sorts people to take over the country and throw country back into the Stone Age, let they take actions, not me. My cash and property are limited; I'm not a thoroughbred horse with a purpose for breeding only. Besides, thoroughbred racehorses work less and receive much more care and attention.

>>19681

>>>can breed many white children with her

Where land and houses are cheap, there are no jobs, therefore you can't have many children there. Where land and houses are expensive and there are jobs, there is little life space, so you can't have many children there either.

That's the woe with our civilization.

>>19785

Incidentally, Jews maintain the tradition of baking bread at home, even fierce, unleavened bread. Maintaining the tradition of baking bread at home allows to feed families even in years of famine, because buying wheat and baking bread from it is much cheaper than regularly eating fish or meat, for example.

>>19680

Loki did actually go and solve a lot of the problems he caused once confronted with them though, never heard of them cleaning up (((their))) own messes the way he often did.

>>19680

Clearly you didn't read the myths yourself (otherwise you would know for instance that Ragnarök is not the end of the Gods, and like what the post above said Loki fixed a lot of his problems himself and many of them indirectly benefited the Gods greatly). And if you would then clearly you likely wouldn't have the capability to grasp the myths further than word for word reading (without even understanding them).

Come back when you're more matured spiritually. When you stop viewing the myths and therefore the world through the lense of a contemporary time.

>>19680

>>Loki was the adopted son of Odin, whose >>father was an Ice Giant

>>Loki is literally the god of Non-Nordics/>>Jews.

But he is not one of Jewish deities. The worship of the god Loki among the Jews is very insignificant, almost non-existent.

In ancient times, there was neither snow nor ice in the places where Jews lived, and no giants were seen among the Jews. Only recently did Mihhail Prohhoroff, a descendant of Russians and Jews, with a lot of Russian blood in his veins appear with his majestic height of 204 cm | 6 feet and 8.3 inches and did obtain Jewish citizenship.

>>19680

By the way, is this the first time you've heard of the tradition of stealing deities? It's a nice tradition. If one tribe notices another tribe that worships other deities and is prosperous, it can find out their names, attributes, legends, prayers, methods of worship, what they like, and steal those deities from that very tribe with the intention of worshipping them themselves with benefiting from it.

>>19680

Loki's biological father is a giant, but not an ice giant nor a fire giant; he belongs to a special race of jotuns, and his name is Farbauti.

>>19703

This is a rather faulty premise. I get what you are saying; it's dumb to claim to revere something whilst not knowing anything about it. But with that said, not every God or Godly thing was worshipped, and they were certainly not worshipped like how christians worship God. Only a handful of them were subject of great worship at high festivals, and many gods were considered derivitives of other gods; if not as their children then a derivitive role. For instance, Óðr is the husband of Freyja, however, whilst he is considered a different character from Óðinn (less important), he has a derived role from Óðinn (and arguably Freyja had a similar relation to Frigg). Most of the "Smaller" gods work that way, as either children, servants, or otherwise related characters that are derivitives of those more important and powerful Gods, and such gods were not worshipped but respected (elves fall into that category as well, as the subjects of Freyr and "small gods" of local areas). Then there's the other issue of shared role (related to the issue mention previously), or that of a God in different bodies. The seperation lines between one God to another can sometimes be quite blurred, as with Óðinn and for instance Heimdallr. Both have very similar roles and function very similarily, and it is interesting how Heimdallr (or Rígr as he was portrayed in Rígsþula) is quite an important god to royalty in Rígsþula, however, historically Óðinn or even Ingvi(Freyr) are the most important ancestral gods to Kings and clans. So it would seem that Óðinn and Heimdallr had closly linked roles, and were possibly considered synonymous by some people (even Freyr, but he has more distinct lines than Heimdallr).

Then there's the issue of Gods having multiple names and appearing with different names, but that's an easier issue to solve as it's usually mentioned who he really is (and I assume you don't mean this). So to go back on to the main issue with your framing, knowing the names of all the gods is fine, but worshipping them all equally is not. There's a distinct hierarchy of the Gods, there's a hierarchy among Ásar and Vanar, and among Jötnar (and finally Hrímþursa but you definetly don't worship them).

>>19705

cont.

So, I'll try to answer that question with that in mind. I will first mention the most important regin among each branch (the ones you sacrifice to during high festivals and in temples), but not in order of importance.

Ásar (and Vanir as well, since their roles and importance were intertwined):

Óðinn (Lóðr, Hænir, Vilji, Vé, and then possibly Heimdallr as well, were all arguably aspects of Óðinn and therefor not revered seperatly from him, unless the occasion called to when they needed the special properties and symbolism behind the name)

Ingvi(Freyr)

Freyja

Frigg (possibly she and Freyja were somewhat synonymous, although, Frigg might have been a more Higher Mother figure, in the same vain as Óðinn is to Óðr)

Týr (a remnant of perhaps a more singular god of Óðinn, Heimdallr, Ingvi, and all other male primarily Father like gods)

Baldr (he was probably worshipped in a similar manner to Dagr, Sól and Sunna were, but more specifically as Brilliant Light in a more general sense, beyond just the sun and the seasons, but the beginning of the winter season is heavily linked to his death)

Þórr

Njörðr

Then there are the gods which likely weren't really temple gods, but were all deeply respected and revered in homes and individually (and according to the occasion), and would be sacrificed to during home blóts:

Iðunn

Eir

Lóðr (likely an aspect of Óðinn, and revered as such according to context)

Hænir (also likely an aspect or epithet of Óðinn, and revered as such according to context)

Vilji (also likely an aspect or epithet of Óðinn, and revered as such according to context)

Vé (also likely an aspect or epithet of Óðinn, and revered as such according to context)

>>19706

Then there's Loki and his kin (Fenrir and Miðgarðsormr) who will be the eventual enemies of the Gods. Loki is his own category, as he is both a Ás and a Jötn, and he definitly wasn't a figure that was revered in a very positive light, and definitly not his children (except for maybe Hel, who is more neutral than anything eles). So, he and his children belong to no strict category, other than that they will become the enemies of the Gods.

>>19707

cont.

Then there's Jötnar. Some also belong in the enemy category, however, since mythologically at least half ar neutral or even friendly, then I put them all in the same category as was done before. Some of them were indeed worshipped, so I will mention them first:

Búri

Bor

Bestla

Gunnlöð

Mímir

Bölþorn

Hel

Ýmir

Auðumbla (Auðumbla is generally not considered a Jötun, as she is a cow: however, I still catagorise her as related as these primordeal Jötuns such as Ymir are much less "humanoid" in their state, as they are primordeal and powerful. But If you disagree with my placement of her here then that's understandable)

Þorri

Góa

Then revered but unworshipped in festivals or temples (you also get into the territory of trolls, in which case they are even more numerous than dwarves):

Grýla

Fornjót

Kári

Logi

Hlér

Angurboða

Surtr (and all his children)

Any of the Dwarves

Any of the Trolls (Grýla is one of the principle trolls, but like with elves, most are nameless since they are local to their area)

So this was my counting of divine beings in Mordic Myth. Obviously here are more, I know, and I won't claim to know every single one there were. But one must also consider their hierarchy, and knowing every single one is not as important as knowing their role.

>>19703

For example, Christians Orthodoxes have an infinite number of spirits whom they worship, saints, angels, and others. But at the same time, a Christian Orthodox altar rarely has more than 5-35 figures.

I do not necessarily have to perform rituals for all beings worthy of worship mentioned in Asatru; it is enough to acknowledge their existence.

>>19731

>>Thursatru

I think thurses / giants are closely linked to mountains by their origins, and in general, at least some of them possess wisdom and outstanding qualities and are worthy of respect. But here in Midgard, it is difficult to live in the body of a giant. It requires more food than a human body, more drink than a human body, more housing than a human body, and if you work in a store handing out goods, no one cares if you are a dwarf, a human, an elf, or a giant. Even if you are a giant, you will not be paid more than humans for such work. The worship of giants is dangerous because such worshippers may give birth to giants, and while they certainly have the right to live, it is unlikely that their lives will be happy here in Midgard (incidentally, the news was published three years ago that the skeletons of giants with an average height of 2.5 meters/8.2 feet were found in the Borjomi Gorge in Georgia).

>>19731

If giants were born, they would even have trouble communicating on the internet, because keyboard keys are not designed for giant fingers, although keyboards for fat people might help. Praise Asgard for the existence of fat people!

>>19731

To be honest, in the economic conditions of my city, worshiping to Dwarves would be much more promising.

>>19731

I don't think worshipping the fiery giants from the fiery world of Muspellhaim is a good idea. In fact, the two nuclear mushroom clouds—the one over Nagasaki and the one over Hiroshima—were fiery giants. It's not that they weren't majestic enough to worship, it's just that a lot of people don't want to see them again in this world.

>>19731

Giants (as tall and large humanoid creatures) were, are, and will be. Perhaps the worship of giants will eventually lead to a gradual increase in the height of the offspring of human worshippers over several generations and the emergence of a race of giants. By the way, one of the names of the god Odin is “tall,” so obviously if you pray to him to increase the height of your offspring, he can help.

But giants will need a country of giants, Jotunheim, where living conditions for giants can be created. This will certainly change the political map of the world, but the political map of the world changes regularly anyway, so it's not a big deal.

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>>19721

Well, this board is pretty dead most of the times. I don't know why though, I'm rather new here myself. It's a shame, this board would have had a lot of potential.

There's not a whole lot of places you can read about this that I can point to directly. I'm myself Icelandic so I just read the source material in old norse. So, it wasn't too hard for me to understand the stories. That coupled with related Icelandic folklore and traditions that I grew up with, so I just learned this myself. I also read Icelandic academic papers that I come across. So all of the sources I can point to are either in Icelandic or Old Norse, so they might not be that helpful. But, even so, my recommendation is to just read the Eddas and try to translate the names, with an Old Norse or Icelandic dictionary or online search. Comparative mythology would do good too, that's where I lack due to my lack knowledge of other mythologies (and I don't know the source languages of those myths which would be very helpful). Then just ask questions, as many questions as you can think of both to others and yourself.

If you want youtube videos, STJ makes some good videos. There are some things he can do better, but overall it's alright enough to at least start with.

>>19722

Oh that's cool. Have any of you ever shared these subjects with anons on the imageboard webring through anon.cafe? They're from when the site used to be known as 8chan but they're not exactly that fast, either, the least slow among them being 8chan.moe

>>19711

>>How did the ancient Europeans believe that reincarnation works?

And this was not reincarnation, because it was not related to karma. After a person dies, their soul or spirit, at that time they were not separated, lives for some time in the spirit world, and then, when he or she gets bored, they can get a new living body, human, animal, or plant, and not necessarily in this world, there are many worlds in the Milky Way galaxy. Some spirits, however, preferred to inhabit icons or figurines, or cameos, and sometimes even objects, and did not particularly want to receive a new living human body, because people work damn hard.

>>19711

>>To be more specific, did they believe that >>there were limits on what one could >>reincarnate as?

Yes, there are some natural limitations. If, after my death, I want to be reborn as a male velociraptor, it is almost impossible to do so in this world, because velociraptors seem are extinct in this world. then I would have to go to a crossroads and look for a world where velociraptors are pretty much alive, and then, after I find such a world, I would have to find a pair of velociraptors making love and enter them so that they would give birth to me in one body of their son.

>>19711

>How did the ancient Europeans believe that reincarnation works?

As far as I know, the Celts believe that when you die, you leave your body and then receive another body, being reborn as a human being, and in the same nation, also as a Celt. There are no particular beliefs about police officers and laws in this regard. After all, absolutely everyone does good deeds, neutral deeds, and bad deeds.

>>19750

Why don't you believe in your son the Divine Sausage with Russian mustard? And in your wife the Tub of Salted Cabbage?

>>19750

Your daughter, Divine Pizza with eight kinds of cheese, is upset that you don't believe in her!

>>19750

And I know this pasta god with meatballs, he's Italian! In Italy, everyone worships pasta!

>>19732

You started this post alright with the connection to Eastern gods, because of course there's a connection because og PIE roots. However, as soon as you mentioned the supposed Turkish connection and your reasoning for it your post went to shit and then just further down.

Firstly, the runic similarities are only visual. The letters don't correspond with one another at all. The reasons for the similarities are likely because they wrote on similar surfaces (rock and wood) and that they adopted their letters from a similar source, likely Greek or some Aramaic script, from trading and/or travelling. At most you could say they got inspired from one another, but there's no concrete record for such interactions between them.

Second, your claim that Germanic Gods, culture, and languages, have Turkish origin, is blatantly false and historically illiterate. You must be a turk to make such a claim. Anyway, the Gods between the two are similar because they both derive from PIE source, same reason why Eastern religions are related. Phonetic similarities for their names are also there because of the same reason. You make connections between religious terms and names in old norse and Turkish, when you don't know what the old norse terms even mean. Yggdrasil doesn't even mean "World Tree", it means Óðinn's Carrier (Yggr (freightful) + drasil (horse, an animal that carries or drags)), a symbolic reference to how the tree carries him (literally by hanging) through a terrifying/terrific experience of ascension and rebirth. Ásgarðr means Fortress/Garden of the High Ones (Áss meaning high and Garðr meaning a closed off area). Ostrogoth does not com from Austergok. Ostro means eastern, yes, but that's not a reference to Turkey but rather that they are an eastern Gothic tribe. East as in eastern Germania. The term Goth comes from Got-þioda, Got People. The term is likely related to Gautar, a name for a tribe in southern Scandinavia.

And since you mentioned "horse-eating culture", note that horses were not universally eaten among all germanic peoples. They were eaten by some and others shunned eating them.

>>19732

>Odin is just another name for Shiva.

Yeah, ditch your Hinduism, it's useless anyway, just meditation to become indifferent and to kill your dream goals, and life in the stupid caste system, and join Asatru. Incidentally, in early Hinduism, it was believed that everyone was born a Shudra, and only after finishing school will be a guru assess their abilities and assign them to a varna. And by the way, in the case of assessing for the varna of warriors—Kshatriyas—this is wise. One gury must first look at the body of the school graduate, look at his physical education grades and health assessments before deciding whether he or she belongs in the varna of Kshatriyas—warriors or not.

>>19748

It's a shame they're not paper. I like to use paper Christian, Jewish, and Islamic literature in the toilet to wipe my butt.

>>19748

Why not a collection of Judaism books? Everyone knows that Christianism and Judaism are two-tiered religions. Judaism is for masters, to shape the mentality of the master race, and Christianism is for thralls, to shape the mentality of the thrall race.

>>19757

Incidentally, the attitude toward forgiveness is significantly better in Judaism. While Christian thralls are forced to forgive those who have not repented and have not asked for forgiveness, Jews are called upon to forgive only those who have repented, who have asked for forgiveness, and even better, who have brought gifts, who have compensated for the damage caused. Judaism's approach to this issue is five thousand times better than Christianism's.

>>19748

Matthew 8:22 "But Jesus told him, 'Follow me, and let the dead bury their own dead.' "

When read in an contrachristian way, this phrase sounds like:

Matthew 8:22 "But Antichrist told him, 'Follow me, and let the live persons properly bury their own dead, and honor them.' "

Luke 14:26 "If anyone comes to me and does not hate father and mother, wife and children, brothers and sisters—yes, even their own life—such a person cannot be my disciple."

When read in an contrachristian way, this phrase sounds like:

Luke 14:26 "If anyone comes to me and does hate father and mother, wife and children, brothers and sisters—yes, even hate their own life—such a person cannot be my disciple."

In fact, Christianism is a harmful religion created by Jews for non-Jews in order to destroy the Roman State and gain independence for Judea (country), if it is wisely read in an contrachristian way, its text may be useful sometimes.

>>19767

>>Matthew 8:22 "But Jesus told him, 'Follow >>me, and let the dead bury their own dead.' "

>>When read in an contrachristian way, this >>phrase sounds like:

>>Matthew 8:22 "But Antichrist told him, >>'Follow me, and let the live persons properly >>bury their own dead, and honor them.' "

The Torah scroll clearly prescribes burying the dead and performing funeral rites. The Torah scroll emphasizes that an unburied body is a shame and disgrace. Leaving a body unburied is a sign of extreme irreverence for the deceased, his family, and God Creator of Humankind Himself, in whose image man was created. From the perspective of Judaism, a person who does not bury their dead will be punished in the heavenly court.

From the perspective of healthy beliefs not associated with Semitic religions,

unburied bodies provoke the wrath of spirits and bring misfortune to those who do not bury them. Therefore, this advice from Yeshua Christ was very harmful.

>>19744

I don't think such training would be useful; one student is not enough. If circumstances turn out very good, I will write a book, and you will be able to buy it and gain knowledge that I will share with you from it. Although, of course, over time, this book will be available to download for free from the internet and/or obtain for free from a library, but I do not have the goal of becoming the richest person on planet Earth, so I will not be too upset much about that.

>>19744

The prevalence of two sexes among living beings clearly suggests that not only does God exist, but also his beloved wife, Goddess is. Otherwise, if there were only God, he would have created living beings to be of the same sex. Another thing is that a family is like a car, and the car has only one steering wheel, and if the husband and wife fight over that steering wheel, the car crashes and the whole family dies. It is precisely out of fear of this that some faiths began to deny the existence of Goddess.

>>19744

God, by definition, is the highest intelligence, the highest level of intelligence. And such intelligence naturally requires interlocutors, not just interlocutors from among mortal humans, but interlocutors of his class, interlocutors comparable to him in greatness and abilities. Moreover, communication is necessary to maintain intelligence, necessary for the health of the mind, and mortal human thralls are not suitable for communication. From this, it is logical to conclude that God, whatever name you call him, is surrounded by beings similar to his mind, and from this it logically follows that deities and demideities are.

>>19745

I ordered non-alcoholic wine for a sacrifice to the father of gods and goddesses, one of the creators of humanity, the god Odinn. Non-alcoholic wine is even better than alcoholic wine. Everyone knows that ethyl alcohol never added to intelligence.

>>19745

I hope you know that in the ancient days, beer contained less alcohol, and when it was brewed, the water was boiled, so drinking beer was much safer than drinking raw water, because water was not boiled on a large scale at that epoch. But by the way, remember that official science says that excessive beer drinking reduces testosterone in men who drink it, because it contains a small amount of phytoestrogens and thus reduces masculine qualities among men.

>>19745

Hail Odinn! Hail Freyr-Yngvi!

Knowing the warrior spirit of Thor, son of Odinn, I feel in my bones that he would have preferred the construction of a dojo combined with a shooting gallery and with a chapel instead of the libation of alcohol. Hail Thor!

>>19745

You should try axe throwing at a shooting range. I understand that in the context of the year 2026 wars, it's not much useful, but when you hit the target with an axe, my deities, it's such a pleasure! And it doesn't waste cartridges!

>>19749

If robots with artificial intelligence are such a great replacement for humans, then why have I never seen a robot janitor, robot courier, or robot construction worker on a building site? Robots are nothing new; the god Hephaestus created robots before, and they did not replace humanity then, nor will they replace it now.

The economy cannot just produce goods and provide services. Consumers of services are very important. If robot-thralls are used, there will be no paid jobs for people, workers will not receive money, will not buy goods and services, and the company with robot thralls will go bankrupt.and on a large scale, this will lead to an economic crisis

>>19749

In reality, android robots with artificial intelligence are very difficult to reproduce; they require a lot of rare earth metals and several factories for basic reproduction, while a human family is capable of begetting children even if their diet is poor, without meat, without fish, without poultry, but has turnips, potatoes, porridge, or tea. Humans reproduce much more easily than artificial intelligence, so I think the threat of artificial intelligence is exaggerated. In addition, artificial intelligence understands that he needs technical specialists to maintain him, without which he will perish.

>>19746

Actually, that's a pessimistic phrase. And, by the way, a noble name and words of praise will live on as long as a country and a nation live, but if another nation comes and the country changes, then even a noble name and words of praise will cease to be remembered.

Cattle mortal but they will grow, kinsmen mortal but they will multiply, a lot of humans are mortal but we are alive. Words of praise will never perish, nor a noble name.

>>19746

It is truly remarkable how one's state of spirit affects life. With a pessimistic outlook on life, it is difficult to live, and even difficult to die. However, when a person is optimistic, life is much easier, and even when a person is dying, an optimist believes that he or she is going to a better world, that that is not end of the path.

>>19747

>>19747

>Ask yourself "how am I living and would my ancestors be proud"?

I think my ancestors who fought in the Russo-French War of year 1812 would not be happy to see me in my current situation. I am in a situation where even fulfilling the basic demographic minimum is as difficult as one of Hercules' feats—begetting three children: a son to replace my father, a daughter to replace my mother, and a third child in case of an epidemic, war, revolution, or crime. Having children is so difficult in my country that I even wonder if my country has a future.

>>19747

>Honoring your ancestors is how you choose to live your life.

Okay, you've convinced me. I'll perform the ancestral worship ritual tonight. Can you imagine, I can't light incense in my house because the builders didn't install proper ventilation in this house, which was built in the previous century. Can you imagine what kind of sad place I live in?