/asatru/ - Asatru / Heathenry / Paganism

>>19700

Kys, remove yourself. It were the semetics that introduced the flat earth idea over here, along with their linear World-View . I find the first picture hilarious, as it shows perfectly why Lower People shouldn't have a say in theology other than just participate and listen to the Higher People; they make up stupid shit like this and interpret the stories like retards.

Even bronze age rock art from Sweden will instantly disprove this idea of a flat world being previlant among our ancestors. For most, they didn't really give a shit, but for those that gave it any thought then the idea of a flat world is completely antithetical to the Principles presented in the Traditions, that of the world being a Cycle. But of course, retards like you will never see nor understand this because you are a Drumbr.

>>19701

How does that even prove they believed in heliocentrism? That isn't even the Earth you retard, that's the Sun, and the beings around it are most likely gods who control it. They did care about what shape the Earth was since, this affected what their place in the Universe, so it did matter. You're Sperg arguments have been debunked, now here is a picture of Alsviðr, the horse that pulls the Sun, how can this work in the heliocentrism?

>>19702

The burden of proof is on you, as you are claiming that heliocentrism was invented by the catholic church. Not only is that claim stupid, since it's factually wrong (you even prove yourself wrong), but get this: The catholic church considered heliocentrism to be heretical ideas deserving of punishment. I didn't claim that the ancients were heliocentric, but that they were definently not proponents of a flat earth, as that would be completely antithetical to their Higher Principles. So, don't bring up a false premise when you yourself stand on no grounds to bring them up.

As to the picture I sent, it is likely a expression of the earth, as it doesn't have any usual charectaristic qualities of the sun as it is depicted in usual bronze age petroglyphs (such as a sun cross). In fact, the symbols on the Cycle is that of living things, such as animals and trees; hence why it's a representation of Miðgarð, and it is being "Driven" by Gods and "Pulled" by it's Horse, which signals a sort of circular movement of Miðgarð itself (it doesn't necessarily mean that they were saying that the earth was moving in space, but that it has some sort of movement, like seasons). As to if people cared; sure, Goðar, Jarlar, and other high status and higher thinking people very likely cared, and maybe some of the Smith Caste likely cared as well about the shape. However, that wasn't a focus in their studies, at least not in our modern way of viewing it, as their studies were mostly revolved around Higher Principles governing the Lower (and how we can reflect that in our own lives). Which brings us to your example.

This art piece of The Horse pulling the Sun is a common metaphysical concept in Norse Mythology (but in many others as well). It is an expression of The Body all other things in existence have, more specifically an accompaning Body that the Driver commands and uses to Move. It's the same reason people were buried with horses or boats, or in even older cultures, carriges. That's the short gist of it, it's a religious expression of a Higher Principle, that being The Divine Cyclical Movement (in this particular case, the sun, in my pic example, the earth). It is not, I repeat, NOT a *description* of the Physical. Making any claims that they were describing the world in a physical manner like we do in the modern world, or in the manner Christians would do with their flat earth ideas presented in their Mythos, would be foolish and reductive.

And once again, drumbar like you will never understand this. You see complex poems of Truth and you dumb it down to filth.

>>19704

Copernicus was the men who invented heliocentrism, and Copernicus was a Catholic canon, and belonged to the Third Order of St. Dominic. Galileo worked with the Jesuits which was established by the Catholic Church, and they've been promoting the ideas of heliocentrism ever since those men have died. The Catholic church has owned all of the early telescopes as well as the largest modern day observatories in the world. There is no question that the Chruch has been behind the push of Round Earth, and has oppressed and censored flat-earth cosmology for the past 500 years.

>As to the picture I sent, it is likely a expression of the earth, as it doesn't have any usual charectaristic qualities of the sun as

>it is depicted in usual bronze age petroglyphs (such as a sun cross). In fact, the symbols on the Cycle is that of living things, such as animals and trees; hence why it's a representation of Miðgarð, and it is being "Driven" by Gods and "Pulled" by it's Horse

So you're just basing this off of pure speculation and no actual evidence to back it up. The only thing's that were pulled were the Sun, and the Moon, and they don't pull it in space, outer space does not exist, the Sun, and Moon are simply just luminaires, and not terra-firma objects that you land on, same goes for the Stars, they're just luminaires that are attached to the firmament/skydome that covers the Earth. The Sun , and Moon are simply pulled in the sky, above the clouds, not in "space".

One last thing, if you claim that flat-earth isn't in Asatru, then why does the creation story involve beating Ymir's body down, and crushing it, do you think that would somehow appear round, and how about the fact that Odin, and his two brothers literally get Ymir's skull and use it as the firmament/skydome, if the Earth is just flying in space why even need a skydome?

>>19710

So you're basically saying that the myths are synonyms for modern science/nature?

I think I'm done here

>>19716

>So you're basically saying that the myths are synonyms for modern science/nature?

What? How did you even remotely come to that conclusion if you read what I wrote? I'm honestly just baffled.

No, what I said is the complete *opposite* of that. Science is the study of The Physical. Of course, the study of the physical works fine under the myths, but as a completely different field below. The Myths are expressing the Metaphysical Laws of existence, that which supersedes all that is Physical. Hence, for the fourth and last time, the Myths are not and cannot be *literal descriptions* of Physical existence (that is Nature, the universe and all within). You are the one trying to bring them lower down as such descriptions, however you even fail miserably at that since there's nothing in the myths that fits your stupid worldview. Please, just do everyone a favour and off yourself. It might just gain you some sliver of honor for removing yourself for being such a damned fool. I say it again, peasants like you should not be allowed to have any say in religion. Just shut up and do as you are told.