No.11163 [View All]
In here ask questions about anything that doesn't really warrant a whole new thread. Questions can be about pretty much anything Asatru related.
My question: I am fairly new to Asatru, and have posted a thread asking for help a few months ago, I have still not decided whether or not to be an Asatrur, but regardless I have done two extreamly shitty and rather embarrassing due to the lack of quality blots. The first was summer solstice and the second was tonight. Not going to in depth, rhe first time I madean offering to Thor, and my Uropa who was in the S.S. and today due to the large thunderstorms (pics related, taken on phone so shit quality) just to Thor. Both times when I drank an amount of beer I was offering I was hit with a weird feeling: I don't know how to explain it but it felt like every nerve from my tongue fired after the I dedicated the beer and touched my tongue moving outwards to my arms, chest, legs and feet. I don't quite know how to explain it but it felt weird and very slightly uncomfortable. The only other time I have ever felt this was when I tried weed when I was 14 never did it again btw. It is far from my first time drinking, and I have had both types of beer beforehand, so I don't know how to explain it. Was it a sign that I was being observed, or that my blog was rejected?
again I know very little so please correct me if I fucked up with something somewhere.
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No.13183
>>13156
Your view of the gods is misaligned. Do you fantasize about your mom's tits, too? How about your sister's? if you answered yes, kill yourself post haste
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No.13212
Is there any way you can tell if the gods have rejected your offering?
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No.13224
>>13163
You seem fairly willing to discuss these things rationally and I want to ask you a few questions.
1.in genesis it's mentioned that Adam and Eve were both sinless until they both had partaken of the forbidden fruit. In heaven will humans exist in a similar manner or a manner exactly like that?
2.as god is all powerful why was Jesus necessary? By this I mean the manner in which he was sacrificed for humankind, was there not another way to offer redemption to humanity?
3.what of those souls who were born and died before Christ, or before Christians could reach them? Are they all in hell?
4.why does the god of the Old Testament and New Testament seem so different from each other? In the old there are countless acts of genocide, mass murder, and the sanctification of wars and violence, yet in the New Testament there seems to be a complete 180 done. How do you explain this?
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No.13227
>>13224
I dont wanna gang up on the christian with you so I would say that question number 3 is explained more or less good and in different ways by the different denominations and you can google it. Some catholics for example belief in pre-christ salvation through by personal virtue, god with his unlimited power could look at the lifes of thepeople who died before christ and perfectly decide if they would have accepted him if given the chance by the way they handled their life.
On the other hand we might expand on question number 4. If you compare the way the pagan neighboors of Israel lifed and take archeology in count (King meshas stele for example sounds exactly like something out of the old testament with the LORD exchanged with their own ethnic god Kemosh.) you can come to the conclusion that Yaweh was once a wargod in a polytheisthic pantheon, took then a henotheist turn (as other cultures around picked a headgod for their Nation (Assur for the Assyrians etc) and under immense pressure from neighboors and the ethical difference of abstaining form human sacrifiece led to monotheism in the end.
This is not an antichristian biased conclusion but seems to have become quiet popular thesis among europes historians in this regard.
Now, either you interpret heavily in favour of christ (God taking the once pagan Yaweh as a fassade to lead his chosen into monotheism so he could set up Jesus with the greatest impact possible), you denie outrightly (Scripture says that all people were once monotheist but got simply corrupted!) or come in conflict between the one god of the israelites supported by war and heavy miracles and the transcendental god of christ with miracles being restricted to his human vessel and support through persuation and theology.
The great amount of early christian groups who saw this conflict and severed the OT and NT god, with marcion being the most moderate and Mani being the most radical-creating a shortlived but vastly and peacefully spreading worldreligion which collapsed as the silkroad fell- makes it a valid point of critique.
If people felt this was the case only 100-200 years after christs resurection, the supression of this idea by force cant be the deciding factor in this argument except you believe that the validitiy of faith is measured by its sucessful spread.
In this case Islam would be a likely proponement of absolute truth as it could seize north africa and many other regions without repercussion.
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No.13231
>>13224
>>13227
Why are you guys even bothering? Christians have their own pilpul, always an escape hatch and they always forget whatever you said the next day.
Aquinas and his ilk are perfect examples of this. They want to wear the hat of Greek rationalism but don't actually want to play by the rules. They want people to think they're smart and rational, so they use a mutated form where they apply it to whatever conclusions they've already reached. In the true Socratic spirit, you have to abandon everything while you walk the path, and then you are forced to embrace whatever conclusions you find after doing this.
Aquinas lived in a convent in a time when heretics were executed. He wasn't risking anything, he just wanted to parrot the status quo of his day and make it seem like he wasn't a braindead robot for having done so. It's an exercise in psychology and little else.
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No.13232
>>13231
Christians are apparently able to often tear polys a new hole verbally. There is a reason afterall that idolaters got blown the fuck out of every region of the earth (wargods didnt help much either) safe for the most desolate places and india were they can fold all their gods into one and vice versa in some way similar to how the trinity is not three gods while also allowing openly polytheist strains to survive by dodgy means similar to how the angels survived in Islam and christianity.
Ok, also in bhuddism were the gods of the asians got reduced to either puppets of your own mind to help your soul into blissful nothingness.
If you dont bother to try to defend spirit worship on its own while lacking an umbrella theology (be it bhuddism, hinduism or neoplatonism-which is ded.) -and thats basically what this board is about- you wont get far with strenghtening your beliefs.
Modernity condemns us to care about the fact that your sungod in particular is one among many solar deities that rose, fell and merged with others and probably does not move the sun as long as you dont belief that both gravitiy and fusion share a conciousness with a particular character-which need an apology as interesting as the notion that physical laws=entities with character itself which is a hard task.
Now, we are all philosophical laymen here in theology and philosophy until proven otherwise, biased towards european culture and probably neither well informed about physics (albeit it would be neat if an anon would be.) which are often used today for more or less convincing godproofs.
So we need some "exercise in psychology" or end as LARPers until some autist prophet comes along and sets the basic for convincing new religious though-something mostly claimed by monotheists and happening only around every 500 years or so.
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No.13236
>>13231
Because i desire to hear his reasoning in the matter
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No.13252
>>13224
I am an Eastern Orthodox Christian btw, this will be important later on as you'll see..
1.
>But nothing ritually unclean will ever enter into it, nor anyone who does what is detestable or practices falsehood, but only those whose names are written in the Lamb’s book of life.
(Revelations 21:27)
Nothing impure can enter Heaven, therefore, one is lead to the conclusion that there will be no sin in Heaven.
2. You're absolutely right on this. However, the notion of Jesus only being a sacrifice is relic of the West. There are a number of theories of atonement, and the one you have in mind is the often dubbed the "courtroom" atonement. Holding this view alone is unhealthy because it alienates God from us. ie We may be willing to be with Him, but someone MUST pay the penalty. This is not to say it is not part of the story though…
>The Father accepts the sacrifice not because He demanded it or felt any need of it, but on account of economy
St Gregory of Palamas
The second (much older) theory held by the Orthodox is can be dubbed the "hospital" theory. That is, man's sin alienates him from God. Sin literally defined by the Church, is simply "missing the mark". Every time we do, we separate ourselves farther from God.
So God isn't the one at fault for our alienation, we are.
That's why we need Christ. He didn't need to fix something with God. He needed to fix us. By living as fully God and fully man, the perfect life Adam ought have with the same temptations and pains we have, He fulfills what our true human nature is meant to be. His death breaks the chains of sin, and his resurrection breaks the chains of death.
Pic related is an icon of the resurrection. Christ is seen pulling Adam and Eve out of the grave. The old man symbolizes death and there are fragments of his shackles seen below.
I tried to explain as concrete as I can, but if you it didn't completely answer here's a good paper on it: http://orthodoxinfo.com/inquirers/christcross.aspx
3. Nope. Those in the Old Testament have the same opportunity as we do.
4. Like I've mentioned before, the Bible was written by men. Barbarous men at that. We have a lot to learn about ourselves in the Old Testament. I'll use Joshua as an example, written much like a chronicle. In it Joshua is told to smite various nations of Canaanites. Keep in mind
>It is not because of your [Israel's] righteousness or your integrity that you are going in to take possession of their [Canaanites] land; but on account of the wickedness of these nations, the Lord your God will drive them out before you
Deuteronomy 9:5
You, as a National Socialist, can see it this way maybe. Look at the state of the world today and the rampant degeneracy. The Canaanites were like that. Sexually immoral (fornication, homosexuality), dishonest, swindlers, and on top of that practiced of child sacrifice. Most importantly, they are all given a chance to repent and live in harmony with Israel which they refuse (save Rahab for example).
The most important part about Joshua is not the historicity of what happened, but what it teaches about us. The author writes at the end of one chapter a list of tribes that were totally annihilated, and in the beginning of the next, a list of tribes still living in Canaan, most of which belonging in both lists!
The theme from the NT comes back, sin brings death, and the only way out is repentance (ie turning away). The very barbarity of the Israelites teaches us about us too. It is written from the perspective of Joshua.
So it's the same God in different circumstances. God is establishing the Israelites as the people to show the world how God is (and they do a horrible job mind you).
I hope I didn't miss anything, and apologies for the length. I'm trying to be as brief as possible without missing any important details.
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No.13261
>>13232
>idolaters got blown the fuck out of every region of the earth
That's because they were subverted. The rationale comes after the subversion/displacement, not before. You seem to think that people sit down, have an argument, then reach a conclusion and the best mind wins. That's never been how it works between enemies. The "argument" is just to justify the victor, not establish one.
Funny enough, most modern Christians make the same mistake our ancestors made dealing with them, when they deal with the modern left and Jews. They assume the above is true when they meet an advisory. The left already won, the arguments are just window dressing. This is why their (the left's) arguments are particularly nonsensical.
An advisory wants your domination and displacement and nothing more. If he knows you like playing chess, he will challenge you to a chess game. If he wins, his terms stand (you are dominated). If he loses, he knocks over the board, declares himself winner, and threatens to kill your family until you submit to his terms. The chess game was just an avenue used to subdue you, not a gentlemanly battle of minds you thought it was. You gambled something and they gambled nothing.
That's the only lesson you can learn about the logic of Christians and Jews (and Muslims as well, if they were into debate).
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No.13263
Nevermind, I actually found the book for sale on amazon, so I might do a scan at some point myself. Vikings by Bernhard Kummer
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No.13265
>>13232
Our side will always win in the end, it's as simple as that.
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No.13267
>>13232
Pagans should simply move beyond the idea of deities as forces of nature, and rather embrace the idea that gods are part of nature (as we are) and that nature itself is divine.
I believe that originally, at least until the time of Sumerians and pre-historic Egyptians anyway, people used to call flesh and blood persons "gods". To them, the gods were simply another race of beings, superior to us.
The gods were the bringers of civilisation, and the first kings were said to have been gods. This is found in many cultures around the world, and it wouldn't make sense if the gods had been spirits.
I believe spiritualism came later, as a degeneration of the original truth. At some point the gods stepped down as rulers and left their kingdoms to the demigods (human-god hybrids), and eventually to men. After many centuries people still worshipped the gods, but they couldn't see them any more, so they began to imagine them as magical beings, or symbols.
I don't think the gods ever really left, they're probably still here but they prefer to remain hidden for some reason. They might live underground or underwater. Anyway, my point is that pagans should leave theology to the monotheists. Unlike christians, we don't have to worry about contradictions between religion and science because our religion is not based on faith in a magical sky wizard.
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No.13269
>>13252
1. But were Adam and Eve as children in genesis?i do recall it being said as they did not even have a concept of nakedness yet were sinless at this point. When they ate of the fruit then they realized they were nude and rushed to clothe themselves. Does this mean in heaven that those there will become as children in order to become sinless. Or become something other than human? Wouldn't humans, being flawed beings incapable of purity and perfection, be unable to remain so unless they became something other than human?even if Christ was the one who brought about this change would there not be some intrinsic change to the individual?
As to them being offered the same opportunities as we are today. How can this be so when the religion was only open to the Israelites/Jews who had been chosen by God. If they all had the same opportunity how could they have even known about it when 1.it was only open to the Jews. And 2. If it was never spread far beyond Israel how would those souls even become aware of this opportunity? By this I mean they would have not only their own religions encouraging them to stay within their own faith, but also social pressures and such that even if there were missionaries at this time period they may not have been able to be saved simply as a side affect of the nature of their birth.
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No.13270
This isn't a question so much as a statement. I don't like the term "Christcuck" because its origins are shady, maybe even tinged with Leftism.
So instead, I came up with the term "Cuckstain" or "Cuck Stain". It sounds better to me but I would like to hear what you folks think.
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No.13277
How do you guys feel about using the words god and jesus christ as swears? By which I mean things like
>Jesus Christ!
Because despite having converted to Asatru I still find these terms slipping out every now and then
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No.13278
Is it "ayy-sah-true" or "ah-sah-true"?
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No.13280
>>13270
They both sound stupid to be honest. Insults are childish and make you look immature. Just call them christians, that word alone already has a negative meaning for us.
>>13277
I try to avoid saying/thinking it but sometimes it's funny the way people say it, like when Bill Burr is reading someone's e-mail and he goes "Oh Jeezus…" There are pagan alternatives in my language but they sound a bit forced.
>>13278
Ah-sah-true. (I think.)
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No.13281
>>13277
Christian baroque artists and poets saw no problem to speak, write or rhime about the gods and the christians even at their most zealous periods did not replace the names of the planets.
Language is something organic, if you force your stuff in it, it sounds weird and it will be equally weird to bite your tongue everytime you use a "bad" word.
Dont be like the 15 year old atheists who used to rant over themselves accidentally using "oh god" and stuff like this when the fedorag memes were still fresh.
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No.13298
>>13280
OW-SAH-TRU also works, the pronunciation differs according to the Scandinavian country
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No.13304
YouTube embed. Click thumbnail to play.
>>13270
They all work if you're shitposting and the bantz are flowing back and forth. Using them IRL would be pretty cringey, and using them in a serious discussion would be dumb.
>>13277
It's deeply ingrained and probably won't go away any time soon. Any alternatives will sound force and gay, like >>13280 said. Don't be that guy.
As an aside, some friends and I almost hit another friend's laptop with a baseball, and he screamed "BY ODIN'S BEARD" in a genuinely pissed off way, like it was the first thing that entered his head. We all had a good laugh.
>>13278
Embed related. I've also heard it pronounced "ah-SAH-tru," with a slight emphasis on the 2nd syllable. Sounds like that except easier for an English speaker.
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No.13305
>>13280
>They both sound stupid to be honest. Insults are childish and make you look immature. Just call them christians, that word alone already has a negative meaning for us.
This, this and this damn it.
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No.13329
>>13280
>>13281
>>13304
Thanks, I'll still stop trying to use them if only because I want to make a clean break from Christianity and using those words seems insincere. I have no intention of being a sperg about it though, there still plenty of other words to use and I'm not going to beat myself up about it if I accidentally use them
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No.13332
>>13277
"God" -singular- was already used by the Greeks and Romans even though they were polytheists, so you can use it without feeling guilty.
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No.13334
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No.13336
>>13334
Crushing your enemies, seeing them driven before you, and hearing the lamentations of the women
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No.13347
>>13334
A heroic passage through it.
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No.13410
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Anyone have arguments against this?
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No.13413
>>13410
Since YouTube is refusing to play videos past a certain point for me I only got halfway through it. However I can help with part of it.
His initial point is technically correct. doing things pagans did does not make them evil, and an easy way to avoid this argument is to simply say "I'm not against Christmas, I just think we should give credit where credit is due."
I find his next point that all pagan symbols are to be "reclaimed" for Christ or were all originally "made by god for good" to be both ridiculous and dangerous. Many of these symbols,including the swastika, predate Christianity and Judaism by thousands of years. But this does help us understand the Christian mind. All must be subservient to their god, anything that is not must either be destroyed or brought to heel
Him claiming that pagan holidays were moved to Christmas rather than the other way around is ridiculous considering many scholars put the birth of Christ earlier in the yearcloser to the summertime I believe meaning that if any dates were moved or changed it would be the birth of Christ to Yuletide and not the other way around.
That's all I can help you with, sorry.
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No.13414
>>13088
Nehalennia and the Three mothers are likely leftover remnants of paleo-European pantheons
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No.13415
>>13413
Christmas was moved to December so it could conform to Saturnalia, Hákon "The Goodgoy" moved Yule back by a few day so it could conform to Christmas.
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No.13420
This probably has been asked a million times, but could you guys recommend me any books to learn more about Asatruism? I always was interested in learning about it and becoming one, but I never knew where to start. At least when I was a Christian there was the bible, not that I ever read it, as I was never devout. I consider myself an agnostic theist/deist as I dont know if there are Gods let alone a single God, but I believe there's too many things pointing to the existence of a deity/deities than the absence.
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No.13422
>>13420
The Poetic Eddas are always a good place to start
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No.13423
>>13420
'A Practical Heathen's Guide to Asatru' is pretty good and the Eddas (if you can find a good translation) for beginners.
I also highly recommend 'We Are Our Deeds' for further reading.
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No.13426
>>13420
Start small and prepare instead of trying to worship Thor for example and then retroperspectivly discover that it feels wrong now that you got new information about how this totally isnt how its done or you end up disappointed because you were praising an ideal you LARPed more then you felt it in a genuine way that makes you faithful.
The goal should be to end up more like the people on the right then the person/target audience of that book on the left.
It also matters if you are american or european imo, as your cultural background and the way you approach religion and heritage is very different.
/christian/ would probably tell you something quiet similar about how you shouldnt just walk to the local church once a year for the feels, wear a crossnecklace and consider yourself "christian" followed by inquieris of your nationality as being european means that the catholics/orthos have it easier to take you in while in america you can choose literally anything.
Im central european-not really a norseman I know- I life in a region where you cant walk to another village without coming across a hill that was considered holy once, or a votivstone at a crossroad, a chapel or landmark dedicated to a scetchy saint with curious attributes.
Thus, my autism is challenged and im currently reading for weeks about local academic sourcematerial of rural folkpractizes and beliefs of my region, what archeology discovered together with several general jutifications from various times and cultures about spirit/deity worship with a focus on european stuff-if you are american you have it easier in some ways and harder in others.
American Asatrus like this Anons authorecommendation>>13423 have already laid out general guides from a paneuropean/american white perspective on the scandinavian Religion.
So take guides from them if youre a newworlder while direct observation of leftover traces and the native academics that wrote over them in your ethnic group feel preferrable if you are from the oldworld. Expect headache over the correct interpretation of your local stones and the etymological disputes connected to them though lel, americans seem to be able to philosophise more freely about what they are doing and get shit done swifter but have less sources and the connection to the land is sometimes loose at best.
On the other hand, holy shit we have some embarassing wiccatrus here too so maybe im overemphatising the differences.
Back to starting small: If you observe the faithful you can generally see that there seems to be a distinction between communal and personal spirituality. Catholics pray to saints or keep their icons in the household or the car more often as they praise the virgin or Xsaint at church where God is in the foreground, many shiites burn incense in private at the graves of their relatives (and are despised for it by the mainstream clerics) indians villages and households have their own little protectorgods that are tended to like relatives at dawn and noon and almost every culture on the globe used to keep some kind of housegod or ancestortablet for quick prayer at home with a direct connection to the work you did, the place you lived, the people you loved and the fears you fear.
The worship of small spirits/minor practizes even if only symbolical seems to be a basic desire of most people.
Instead of going for something great and abstract (kneel down praise Odin, see how you feel) from the beginning on as experiences with such mostly happen in great organised forms (you dont have a group/community yet after all) or in moments of greatest joy or deepest desperation you might want to seek those personal spheres in your life where faith would help you and feels natural, directly soothes a longing.
Ive read of people who connected their workout with a small kind of prayer/rite as they offered their effort of selfimprovement also as a gift to an idealised archetype/deity that would approve of bodily progress, thus building a personal relationship to how the spritit/god overlaps with something you hold dear in life.
If you like the morals, the myths of the norse and the idea of your life and the world intervening with that of greater and minor beings you cant see then you can applie them step by step to your needs and what you want to achieve.
I am preparing since a longer time for a proper care for a dead relative for example in the similar way my ancestors would have done it many hundred year ago so I hope an organic and regular practiize will come from this that soothes a part of the desire that made me look and wonder for this in the first place like you do.
Just stray thoughts, I am sure other Asatrus wrote down their first experiences when they started practising thsi should help you too.
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No.13429
>>13426
I'm a Burger on the East Coast and I'm 50% Germanic with the rest being Celtic and whatever Lithuanians are (Baltic? Slavic?), but I'm not actually sure where in Germany my ancestors hailed from.
What I'm looking for in Asatruism is inner strength and a sense of community. When I was a Christian I never really felt like I belonged, even when I actually involved myself in a group or bible study.
So if I'm getting what you're saying I should read up on Asatruism and dip my toes in, before I go into the deep end?
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No.13430
>>13429
Exactly.
If you "go deep" from the first moment on you wont go deep you just end up LARPIng like westeners who think bhuddism is always a peaceful cannabisreligion.
You need to think about what that "deep" actually means.
At the very basic what we crave for is ethnic spirit worship like people did and do all over the world. Then after that come the deeper insights, maybe, if we are lucky. Before that we have to figure out not only the how but also the why and if its only an exercise of self evaluation (hurr im so important im not just a lowly taxidriver im in touch with the spirit of taxidriving, hail taxidrius!) or if it truly inspires good deeds and living, and is a probably way things work in general.
Not only read up, look into a very personal apect of your life that feels as if it is important enough to connect to the worship of… something.
Some german peasants in the 19th century believed in pagan leftovers, like that every rest you didnt eat from your milkbowl /plate went to an invisible "mosswomen" which could occupie your house and life in it and was also tied to a tree in the woods. Just an example on how people saw their daily lifes connected to spirits.
At the very base stands the desire to see living beings asociated to the many processes that dominate our life from nuclear fusion to the embodiment of flaxfarming at that one designated field a family tended to and lived from since generations.
On top of that, the belief that these embodiments either know better then us or are in some way connected to the sucess of these processes and endavours we depend on and we define ourselves by.
Im drunk currewntly, so I might be rambing, but its so hard to come up with the reasons you wanna worship what hasnt been worshipped since a long time and all this stuff in general, we arent saints man, im seeking too and didnt find something yet : /
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No.13436
>>13088
>Hercules Magusalis
Most of the stones were found in the lower regions of the rhine+netherlands with mostly germanic names as listed dedicators/sponsors of the stones. Albeit there was also a temple build in a celtic style in which centre such a stone was found, but in the same region.
Some other stray ones have been sighted in italy, one in romania and one in scotland. It was normal for roman legionarys (which also means protodutch/germanic people from that area) to bring their cults with them and practise them in their outposts in foreign lands, so they did not have to mingle with the local population for divine rites.
http://edh-www.adw.uni-heidelberg.de/inschrift/suche?hd_nr=&provinz=&land=&fo_antik=&fo_modern=&literatur=&dat_jahr_a=&dat_jahr_e=&atext1=Magusa&bool=AND&atext2=&sort=hd_nr&anzahl=20
Magusalis got the Hercules byname as an interpretatio romania sign which means that the romans always tried to equate foreign gods to their own when there where similarities to make it easier for themselves and make a cultural brifge to the populations they wanted to civilise. The god is not importet, the way the romanized culture tended to and portrayed him can be called imported though , if you dont like that call him Magusalis and not Hercules I guess.
So Magusalis being most probably your local god and apparently having heroic characteristics which reminded of hercules, with the etymology either hinting at "Maguz/s-na-the powerful/strenght giver" or something related to the batavians main settlement.
>not well known
Well, you have a big bunch of archeological support to give you hints: http://www.tempelvanempel.nl/de-tempel
much more then there is for some beings from the scandinavian storys, albeit the story is lacking to describe Magu ofc.
In the end there was a reason people liked him and devoted offerings back then, so the "should" doesnt seem so much of a question, in faceof the how and your motivation to do so.
Wikiarticles in numerous languages seem to claim that it could also be the local name for thunar without giving greater sources, if thats true it would make things easier.
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No.13818
What is the consensus of /asatru/ on Rokkatru- the worship of the third pantheon "underworld gods" such as the jotuns, Fenris, Hela, Loki, and even the Jörmungandr (mudguard serpent)?
It seems like this idea that the first pantheon (thor, freya, odin) is "good" and the others are bad seems like christian moralism interfering with heathenry
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No.13820
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No.13822
>>13818
Just because a religion has morality doesn't mean Christianity put it there. Loki was a fucking asshole and a scumbag, you would gain absolutely nothing from giving him worship; assuming there was a physical entity representing "Loki", he would probably fuck with you just for shits and giggles. As for Jotunn, the best metaphor I have is the "refugee crisis" in Europe. The Jotunn are like Muslims; they hate humans/Europeans, and are singly focused on destroying us and our way of life. To worship them is like giving Muslims your house and wife; you will be fucked over for it.
If you're looking to worship more "primal" and wild forces of chaos and le destrugdion, I don't have the solution for you, but I'll turn the question to the other anons on this board.
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No.13824
>>13818
>hurrrr christianity came up with moralism muh nietzche
>what is hubris
>what is Iscarus
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No.13826
>>13818
For what purpose?
If you want to worship stuff we barely know much about safe for some sparse poems and omnious hints of maliance then you might just want "moar" without depht.
The Jörmungandr is found in many indoeuropean (and some of their neighboors) stories as an evil serpent symbolising something chaotic and primal getting struck down by a culture enabling thunderer god with some kind of cudgel.
If these vaguely described beings exist they may not have concsience you could connect with or just "are" in a way that is not connected to you nor gives a fuck if it would be.
If you want to have more gods, find a spiritus loki by delving into your local folklore or simply invite one in for worship with questionable results tho (still not as questionable as "lets pray to something (jotunn) whose lingual root literal means "devouring one" with no positive explanation of any kind associated")
btw, pagans knew and feared evil spirits too, old saxon incantations speak of illnesses as personified "worms" which need to be warded off with prayers-superstition but still shows that the concept of bad spooks being out there was not a foreign one.
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No.13830
*find a GENIUS loci
sry.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tutelary_deity
(yep germanics had em too, see offerings alps/elves)
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No.13831
i had heard that there are european equivalents to meditation and similar spiritual disciplines. does anyone here know more or know of any reading i can do on this?
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No.13832
>>13831
>meditation
Closest thing there is, is the https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hesychasm
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christian_meditation#History
of the eastern churches.
While the article references older roots to Platonists, the idea of meditation seems to be eastern and european equivalents are not less european but more hellenist-levantine, spanning a somewhat equal part of what is modern east and west.
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No.14702
How do I go about converting a christian qt? I'm sick of lying about my beliefs.
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No.14707
>>14702
You are not muslim you dont need to convert her. Up until the 12th century people syncretised the shit out of both faiths on the countryside without much conflict but the one dictated by rome.
Its important from what countries you are to see how hard it will be to at least get some mutual acceptance going.
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No.14709
>>14702
Embody your beliefs and be a strong man that she wants to be with, she'll come around.
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No.15046
Hey guys, I'm very new to all this, and I have a hypothetical question.
Let's say someone did some degenerate shit the gods frown on, and a lightning storm moves right over them.
How badly did they fuck up and how do they remedy their transgression?
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No.15050
>>15046
>Let's say someone did some degenerate shit the gods frown on, and a lightning storm moves right over them.
The Gods usually punish people by using the runes to change their destiny. So, not much chance of a thunderstorm.
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