/asatru/ - Asatru / Heathenry / Paganism

Song of the sun, Berg dwellers song, the dream of the rood and pow wow medicine, i have not heard of and cannot find much information about with a quick google.

Does this book have some of that stuff in it http://www.amazon.com/Elves-Wights-Trolls-Practice-Heathenry/dp/0595421652

I don't think the song of roland should be in there.

>>5084

>Song of the Sun

http://www.germanicmythology.com/works/songofthesun.html

>Berg Dwellers Song

I have read that in the book linked, but I can't find it anywhere outside the book. It seemed authentic to me when I read it, I can try and post it on here in a moment. Its the only story I listed from that book

>Dream of the Rood

http://www.englishfolkchurch.com/poems/rudeoe.htm

>Pow Wow Medicine

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pow-wow_(folk_magic)

Most of these practices are vaguely Christian, so we should do some considerable editing to make them fit better for Heathen beliefs. I used to have a website that contained all known charms used in Pow Wow, but I have lost it, will look for it again

>>5085

Yeah actually I agree, I was thinking of a different epic, I forgot Roland was the one about Charlemagne

>>5086

http://www.sacred-texts.com/ame/pow/

^^Theres the pow-wow medicine, I can start work on editing them to be more heathen

I received a compilation books of the Grimm Fairy Tales for Christmas a few years back, I could pick out which ones would be good for us.

Off the top of my head I think we should include Hansel and Gretal and the Jew Among Thorns.

Especially Hansel and Gretel for the deeper meaning behind it, if something looks too good to be true, it probably is(the witch's candy house). It's always had a special place in my heart and I think children should always be told this story at a young age.

Another good one would be Cinderella. If we wanted to edit it to have a more heathen tone, we could say it was Huginn and Muninn that pecked the evil stepsisters eyes out. That is if we're going by the original violent stories where shit like this happened.

I'll continue to look for other decent tales to add, maybe some more obscure ones.

And about the Song of Roland being in it, Roland was a fine warrior who removed kebab before it was cool, but he served Charlemagne. Wouldn't that mean he's an enemy of Asatru?

>>5102

WAIT DISREGARD THAT I SUCK COCKS.

Yeah if you want it to include history, the Song of Roland and Battle of Roncevaux is most certainly important.

>>5101

I also own the Brothers Grimm. If were going to make this a mainstream thing then I wouldnt include "The Jew Among Thorns" Even though its one of my favorites. It would make the book into an automatic hate crime. We can decide on that later though, I suppose

Most of the stories in the Brothers Grimm would fit into the book quite well. Even the stories where the Devil tricks people are very Loki-like, as they properly were in their original incarnations.

Cinderalla, Snow White, Hansel and Gretel, all of the mainstream stories would work well with the book, and it would be good to show European people a connection between the stories they're familiar with in their lives and the ancient culture of their people.

>>5102

Yeah, as you said here >>5103 I feel that history is as important as religion in terms of understanding the Germanic worldview. We should include elements of our history from the Early Christian period because Paganism was still strong in the culture by this time. We must remember that most of the Germanic tribes became Christian by a gradual process, blending the lore of their culture with Christian meaning and symbolism. Understanding this helps to understand why we converted and a fuller view of our culture.

>>5108

The foreword in my book says the story of Cinderella is believed to be traced back to Egypt.

>>5109

I've read about that as well, but its properly Germanic enough that it fits with the culture. However we can debate this if you would like.

>>5110

Oh no, I'm not saying we shouldn't include it, just thought that was a fun piece of trivia.

Like I said before, we could probably edit it so that Odin gets pissed at the evil stepsisters at the end and sends Hugin and Munin to peck their eyes out.

As for the select quotes from Tacitus' Germania, I was thinking we stick to the quotes about how the tribes conducted themselves morally such as:

>Their marriage code, however, is strict, and no feature of their morality deserves higher praise. They are almost unique among barbarians in being content with one wife apiece - all of them, that is, except a very few who take more than one wife not to satisfy their desires but because their exalted rank brings them many pressing offers of matrimonial alliances. The dowry is brought by husband to wife, not by wife to husband. Parents and kinsmen attend and approve the gifts - not gifts chosen to please a woman's fancy or gaily deck a young bride, but oxen, a horse with its bridle, or a shield, spear, and sword. In consideration of such gifts a man gets his wife, and she in her turn brings a present of arms to her husband. This interchange of gifts typifies for them the most sacred bond of union, sanctified by mystic rites under the favour of the presiding deities of wedlock. The woman must not think that she is excluded from aspirations to manly virtues or exempt from the hazards of warfare. That is why she is reminded, in the very ceremonies which bless her marriage at its outset, that she enters her husband's home to be the partner of his toils and perils, that both in peace and in war she is to share his sufferings and adventures. That is the meaning of the team of oxen, the horse ready for its rider, and the gift of arms. On these terms she must live her life and bear her children. She is receiving something that she must hand over intact and undepreciated to her children, something for her sons' wives to receive in their turn and pass on to her grandchildren.

>By such means is the virtue of their women protected, and they live uncorrupted by the temptations of public shows or the excitements of banquets. Clandestine loveletters are unknown to men and women alike. Adultery is extremely rare, considering the size of the population. A guilty wife is summarily punished by her husband. He cuts off her hair, strips her naked, and in the presence of kinsmen turns her out of his house and flogs her all through the village. They have in tact no mercy on a wife who prostitutes her chastity. Neither beauty, youth, nor wealth can find her another husband. No one in Germany finds vice amusing, or calls it 'up-to-date' to seduce and be seduced. Even better is the practice of those states in which only virgins may marry, so that a woman who has once been a bride has finished with all such hopes and aspirations. She takes one husband, just as she has one body and one life. Her thoughts must not stray beyond him or her desires survive him. And even that husband she must love not for himself, but as an embodiment of the married state. To restrict the number of children, or to kill any of those born after the heir, is considered wicked. Good morality is more effective in Germany than good laws are elsewhere.

>>5111

These fit well

I also believe the quotes regarding some of their religious and prophetic practices should be included. We shoulodnt edit it, but we should leave commentary on the bottom of the page about which parts are likely false or exaggerated.

Tactitus isnt an especially long text so it shouldnt be too hard to fit the important parts in

>>5112

I just think it's important that we include especially the sexual morality, so we can keep out former wiccans and shit who expect ritual orgies and promiscuity.

Granted, IIRC I think Ibn Fadlan said that the Scandinavians were different when it came to sexual morality. Then again this is coming from the viewpoint of a Muslim, so for all we know, they could've just not beat their kids when they caught them fapping or something.

That's another book we should try to include, Land of Darkness. It isn't copyrighted is it?

I just edited the Song of the Sun, taking out all direction mentions to Christianity and replacing it with more fitting imagery.

A lot of the central themes of the poem are still pretty Christian and the imagery of Hel and Heaven are also extremely Christian, but we can figure that out later.

I also cannot figure out how to post word documents here, I only use wordpad so it isnt working. I can post the whole song but it would take up the whole page

>>5113

Yeah, that was a major reason I wanted to include it as well. Land of Darkness could be appropriate but it should only use some quotes from it to describe their morality and religion. The whole book shouldnt be in there, same with Germania

The dutch pow wow stuff is interesting, but i don't think it should be in there, its christian for one thing and i don't think there's a point unless you believe saying, ODIN HEAL MY WOUND! will do anything. I just read the Jew among thorns, it doesn't seem too out there, a tale warning people about greedy Jews is a good one.

I really want a good version of the poetic edda, and by that i mean one i can read easily, for instance this audiobook is way easier to listen to than most translations https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-PVhFy4cmS8

Here is an example

Of old was the age | when Ymir lived;

Sea nor cool waves | nor sand there were;

Earth had not been, | nor heaven above,

But a yawning gap, | and grass nowhere.

Change that to

It was an ancient age, when Ymir lived

There was no sea, and no sand

The earth did not exist, nor asgard

But a huge gap, with no grass anywhere.

I assume when they say heaven they are talking about asgard and not something that snorri put in there. That original paragraph isn't that hard to understand compared to some of the others, but its still better to change it, IMO. Tell me what you think about changing the poetic edda in that way?

>>5116

>>5116

It's Christian but in the same way that Saami shamans who carry Bibles as holy totems are Christian, its basically traditional Germanic folk medicine but turned Christian. I dont believe in folk healing but I feel it should be something included, at least a few select prayers.

As far as editing the Poetic Edda, as long as we keep all of the original meaning its a good thing IMO. One thing about the Poetic Edda is that is a very archaic text written in an archaic form of poetry written in a archaic language. It takes a lot of study to fully comprehend it, so it might be a good idea to make it easier for the layman to read.

Ok keep the pow wow stuff to a minimum maybe like 5 prayers or something. I want to work on the Poetic edda because its important to me that i can read the thing easily. I guess if i did it the way i wanted it would be less poetry and more a story, but not that many people actually like poetry, let alone like poetry in archaic forms and have patience to comprehend it.

I would do this myself but since a lot of it is hard for me to understand I'm not sure I'm qualified. If i did do it i would need a lot of feedback.

The first paragraph of the volupso

Hearing I ask | from the holy races,

From Heimdall's sons, | both high and low;

Thou wilt, Valfather, | that well I relate

Old tales I remember | of men long ago.

The only part of this paragraph that i understand is the last line and even that line could be changed, to I remember old tales of men long ago.

are you trying to remake a religion

why any religion

i dont go around spoutism ebin atheist memes and i dont do religion

>>5119

Can we get rid of troll shitposter here

>>5121

Fuck no.

>>5118

>5 prayers

Makes it 9 or 18 and thats fine. Ive been reading the Poetic Edda for a long time so I could give some advice on its meaning for a few parts. I disagree with the statement on Poetry personally, as the ancients used songs and poems to record their history and mythology in one, but we'll see how it goes

The passage your quoting from Voluspa can be interpreted as this; the seeress is asking all of the holy races (either the various Aryan races, the European races or mankind in general) as they are Heimdalls children. If you have read the Rigsthula this will make sense in the lore.

The seeress is then asking Odin, the Valfather, for permission to recount the legends that she knows. Odin is using necromancy to raise the Etin woman's spirit and communicate with her, a common trope in Germanic myth.

>>5119

Not remake it, just consolidate it into something consistent so its easier to get into it for people who dont want to buy a thousand books. We are not editing anything beyond some more Christian stories.

Also I have no clue what you said with the last part

>>5121

No, Im NatSoc and even I think thats stupid

especially to be putting into this

the idea isnt that bad, making a modern poem praising a modern hero, but Hitler should not be our first choice if were gonna do that. I recommend Arminius, Bismarck, Emperor Rotbart or someone similar.

>>5129

Oh and when I mean the seeress is asking all of the holy races, I mean she is asking them to listen to her recount the legends of history.

But the prose edda isn't really poetry anyway, when translated?

I mean there's no rhyming or anything.

>>5134

I meant poetic edda not prose btw

>>5130

Arminius would be perfect. His life is what epic poems were made for.

Should we set up a mumble or something to organize?

>>5134

Its not poetry the way we read it, but it originally was supposed to be Poetic. Bards were considered a religious role as well as an artistic one by the Germans and Celts if you remember

>>5136

Arminius would be perfect, and yes I think someone proposed skype. I am up for either but skype is easier for me to operate

We could make a collaborate effort to get this done quicker

Oh and by the way, Does anyone think it would be okay for me to post the Song of the Sun in a separate related thread? Its a little long, should take 3 posts or so

Well since when translated its not poetry nor easily understandable it should be changed. Leave the poetic stuff to Gothi's who study old norse like christian priests studied Latin.

>>5138

That sounds perfectly fine to me

>>5138

I also posted the edited version of the Song of the Sun if you wanna take a look at it. Its on the main board.

Let me know what you think, and if its still too Christian

>>5149

I love Hitler you dumb Jew, I just dont think having a Hitler Saga in a book thats attempting to spread Paganism is a good idea

We might as well make the cover of it a Confederate flag with "Lynch niggers" as the motto

>>5153

>that gun

Kek, I'm jelly.

>>5153

Fuck off and stop derailing the thread you god damn shill, I swear to God youre either a kike or a Christian shill trying to derail this shit you fucking moron fuck off

If you wanna go write Hitlarsensaga go do it

Christ

>>5158

Also

>using the word "christ" to express your own anger

LOL christmoron pls gb2reddit

So is anyone working on this stuff atm.

>>5171

i'm working on writing down the berg dwellers song and adapting it to be a little more heathen. its pretty heavily heathen to begin with, just slight mentions of church in one passage (honestly we could prolly get away with leaving at as is and having it as one of the last stories, showing the end of paganism related to the apocalypse)

I just wish i could help, i don't feel like I'm qualified enough though, maybe only a few Gothi's would be qualified to do such a large and important work, but they might not want to do it anyway. (People who would dedicate their career to a religion but be too liberal to not want to spread it are stupid anyway).

The fact is though, if we get everything together so its all in one place and for free, then we can spread the old gods like never before. For instance a lot of the information that Varg shows in his videos, is really hard to find, but if it was all compiled it would form a more comprehensive faith. Maybe i should help. I Guess if no one else wants to make the poetic edda, easily understandable maybe i could do that. I mean i have the time, but i think that its a very important task and the best man should work on it.

But yeah atm just reworking random Germanic songs and poems is good starter work, but the real effort is going to have to go into the Eddas and the Sagas, in the future.

>>5171

Trying to figure out which of the Grimm Fairy Tales could be edited to be very heathen like in nature.

I feel like a lot of these we don't even need to edit. Hansel and Gretel being a good example. The Brothers Grimm set out to revive heathen legends and folklore and such anyway with the fairy tales.

Like one anon said, we could just take everything that involves the devil playing tricks on people and make them about Loki.

>>5174

And then there are a few parts of Germania that always bugged me but I never really bothered to ask questions about them until now.

>Above all other gods they worship Mercury, and count it no sin, on certain feast-days, to include human victims in the sacrifices offered to him. Hercules and Mars they appease by offerings of animals, in accordance with ordinary civilized custom. Some of the Suebi sacrifice also to Isis. I do not know the origin or explanation of this foreign cult; but the goddess's emblem, being made in the form of a light warship, itself proves that her worship came in from abroad. The Germans do not think it in keeping with the divine majesty to confine gods within walls or to portray them in the likeness of any human countenance. Their holy places are woods and groves, and they apply the names of deities to that hidden presence which is seen only by the eye of reverence.

Was one of the native German gods just interpreted as Mercury? Where the fuck did the cult of Isis come from and why do we see no records or evidence of this elsewhere? Are there any and I'm just unaware?

> The Germans, like many other peoples, are said to have been visited by Hercules, and they sing of him as the foremost of all the heroes when they are about to engage in battle. Ulysses also, in all those fabled wanderings of his, is supposed by some to have reached the northern sea and visited German lands, and to have founded and named Asciburgium, a town on the Rhine inhabited to this day. They even add that an altar consecrated by Ulysses and inscribed also with the name of his father Laertes was discovered long ago at this same place, and that certain barrows with monuments upon them bearing Greek inscriptions still exist on the borders of Germany and Raetia. I do not intend to argue either for or against these assertions; each man must accept or reject them as he feels inclined.

This is also interesting. Though I do try to remember that Tacitus got his information secondhand from Roman soldiers who were stationed there, so he's probably getting exaggerated or made up stories from them. If anyone like Hercules and Odysseus visited Germania you'd think similar stories would pop up in the lore.

>In the traditional songs which form their only record of the past the Germans celebrate an earth-born god called Tuisto. His son Mannus is supposed to be the fountain-head of their race and himself to have begotten three sons who gave their names to three groups of tribes - the Ingaevones, nearest the sea; the Herminones, in the interior; and the Istaevones, who comprise all the rest. Some authorities, with the freedom of conjecture permitted by remote antiquity, assert that Tuisto had more numerous descendants and mention more tribal groups such as Marsi, Gambrivii, Suebi, and Vandilii - names which they affirm to be both genuine and ancient.

Now who is Tuisto and who is Mannus?

Is Tuisto possibly connected with Tyr in any way?

This seems like something I should confront a scholar or Gothi on. Wikipedia says the very nature of Tuisto is still a subject of scholarly discussion even today, so maybe this is info we should leave out until further notice.

>>5175

The first question is answered with Interprato Romana. The Romans interpreted all other Gods as facets of their own Gods, and would make equivalents for them. When they say Mercury they mean Odin, when they say Mars they mean Tyr or Odin, when they say Hercules they mean Thor, etc

As for Isis, I have no clue. It could be Tactitus talking out of his ass, it could be something lost to history and we will never know again. It could be his misguided interpretation of Vanir cults.

Tuisto I have little idea, I think the only theory is that he is Tiwaz because of the similarity of name but it could be an ancient God long forgotten, or the creation myth of the Germans was different from the creation myth of the Norsemen.

Mannus however is almost certainaly without doubt Mannaz, the rune most of us are familiar with. His name makes sense, its connected to the ancient Germanic word for humans "man" and it correlates to the Hindu Manu, who is also said to be the progenitor of mankind and the brother of the giant used to create the world, the Hindu version of Ymir.

Sorry Im not replying in depth, leaving for college. Ive been busy lately with finals so in a few days ill be updating you guys on more info. Keep up the good work

>>5175

Most scholars believe that Tacitus has misidentified a native Germanic ritual that bore some resemblance to a well-known Isiac ritual that involved a ship.

From wikipedia.

>>5177

never heard this theory bit ot sounds likely. The ship tidbit about the German "Isis" is a big giveaway, as ships were heavily connected to vanir. Given that Isis was a fertility god, its likely that the German Isis was a vanir goddess, probably freyja or njords wife/sister, if nerthus isn't the latter

does anyone here know anything about Egyptian myth and rituals? It might shed a little more light on what tactitus sees as so Egyptian in the vanic cults

Lets not read too much into that crap, i can't even find this Isis ship ritual thing on Google.

>>5179

to get back on topic, should i start dumping links to some of the books ive listed? primarily the rune poems. I can start editing the anglo saxon ones, since they have some mentions to Lord and God but are otherwise very heathen

I suppose so.

>>5181

Or I could just work on putting them into a word document all together, would be more efficient

>>5081

Also just one thing to point out about the supposed Odin in that picture, it was his left eye that he gauged out and laid in Mímisbrunnr.

>>5186

I second this, I really cant think of a better symbol. Thors hammer comes to mind but Thors hammer was more of a protection amulet.

Irminsul fits much better because it represents the destruction of our faith in the past and its regrowth in the present. Irminsul, "great strong/arising pillar" is a perfect representation of what this books means, creating a strong ground (the book) to place our pillar (our faith) upon.

It also represents a connection between Earth and Heaven, as the lore gives us a connection to the Gods and ancestors.

Im not a great artist but I could try and design a cover for the book with the Irminsul, the picture on the left would look great

I always liked Irminsul, the shape, the fact that its sort of like yggdrasil but more simple. The fact its a saxon Symbol, so it emphasizes more germanic stuff when most of everything else is more about scandinavia.

So here's another more obscure Grimm Tale I found that could be edited, the Devil with Three Golden Hairs.

Premise is some child tries to marry the King's daughter whom he was prophesied to marry but the king is against it so he sends him on this quest to get three golden hairs from the devil hoping he'll die.

A few things strange about this story

-The kid is able to get to hell just by walking there

-The devil has a grandmother who is present in hell(Seriously what?)

-The devil has golden hairs when he was always depicted without any during the time period this was written

At first I thought it may have been Hel or Hella in the original version before it was changed to the devil, however, a little research led me to the information that it was originally a giant but the brothers changed it to the devil for gods know why.

So any stories with giants or trolls are good to use right? Although trolls in these stories are often not what they originally were in pagan society and folklore, this is more often than not, the Christian interpretation of them being ugly monsters.

Yeah Marshmellow that sounds like it would be good.

I'm trying to find a deeper meaning or lesson though but it's not coming up, this one seems as though it was more meant for fun.

The king gets dicked over in an incredibly funny way though.

>>5194

This sounds good, Ive read this story too but its been a long time. The grandmother could either be Hel or a giant grandmother.

>>5198

A lot of folktales and even Pagan myths seem to have that purpose. Think of many of the Thor myths. Most of them teach basic morals, but are mostly for fun and entertainment, stories to be told by friends around fires or to children before bed.

>>5137

Regarding an epic saga of Arminius, we all know how it ended in tragedy. Being defeated by Germanicus, having his wife taken from him, never being able to see his son, and eventually being poisoned by his own kinsmen(It was Adgandaster of the Chatti who poisoned him right?).

Would it be wrong to take a few artistic liberties to make it seem like everything turned out alright in the end? The fate of Thumelicus was left uncertain by Tacitus, and all we know is that he was trained as a gladiator.

What if Thumelicus helped Piso plot the death of Germanicus? What he broke into Segestes' estate late at night and killed him in his sleep? What if he later escaped Rome with his mother Thusnelda and returned to Germania? Only to find that the very lords who killed his father now want his head?

If we do this, should we at least put a disclaimer that everything from Thusnelda's capture onwards may not be historically accurate?

>>5240

Making some adjustments isnt really bad, most of the Sagas did a little embellishing to make for more interesting stories, but remember that history should not be completely altered. I am pretty for the Arminius saga though, I would be willing to write part of it if anyone else would like to help

Bismarck, Barbarossa, maybe Hitler and anyone else who is significant to Germanic history should also have sagas written IMO

"Arminius the Romans called him

Hermann in his fathers tongue

Waded he through sword-storm and forests grim

And battle-stories worthy to be sung"

not the best stanza but I came up with it on the fly, thought it would be good to include

>>5240

Also, making the story to end well wouldnt necessarily be best. A common theme in Germanic sagas is the hero facing a elegiac death in the end, it would be good to keep that tradition IMO. Maybe just put in at the end something about him going to Valhalla and meeting Odin, similar to the end of Hakon the Goods saga.

You guys realize you probably have Arminius covered by adding the Nibelungenlied?

I will also look into a nice book I read some time ago. It was published 1876 and focuses on Germanic lore and also covers Grimms' Fairy Tales. As I remember it, the parallels and explanations made in the book sometimes were really subtle, so I'm not sure if it would be good to rewrite them or leave them as they are.

>>5245

Thats only a theory though about Sigurd being Arminius, so im not too sure about that honestly. youre probably right but still

And that would be good kinsmen

>>5081

>Song of Roland

If we're going to involve Christians i can't think of anyone more deserving than Gustavus Adolphus, he was a great warrior and one of the greatest tacticians in Europe's history, and he met a death in battle.

>>5248

>we're going to involve Christians

no

>>5242

He still dies.

But would making up a story about Thumelicus be so bad? Could end with him dying in battle and finally meeting his father after so long.

That and Segestes really needs a come uppance, that guy was a fucking weasel.

>>5241

We already stated before, no Hitler, that would make the book an instant hate crime. If you want to redpill people to your side, you need to ease them into it, "HEY GUYS LOOK HITLER WAS ACTUALLY A GOOD GUY" is only going to push people away.

>>5252

No you fucking idiot. I just share the opinion of >>5151

However I'm down for a saga of Bismark or Barbarossa.

Could General Ludendorff work as well? He was a heathen as well.

>>5248

Eh, hes Christian but hes still a part of our folk heritage. Remember that Asatru is about ancestry as much as it is about mythology and history. Have you read Hakon the Good's saga? He was a Christian king but at the end of his saga when he dies, he goes to Valhalla because he wasnt near a church and he died a glorious death in battle. We could make something similar for Adolphus.

>>5250

I agree, I only said maybe Hitler because someone wants a Hitler saga for some reason

Hitler was a great man but were going to alienate everyone if we include him in this book

Bad idea, its just what the Jews want

>>5254

I forgot about Ludendorff, all I can say is yes yes yes yes

The Great Heathen Jarl of our time

>>5254

Bismarck is perfect. I just read about an actual saga about Bismarck, but it's not a story one would publish in a book. The saga obviously bases on the "devil", but the deeper base is the typical Wotan story (as in Faust).

Basically the Dreyse needle gun, responsible for the surprising victories of the Prussians in 1866 and following, was sold to Bismarck in exchange for his soul by Wotan. The saga (according to my source) says it was not developed by Dreyse, but I like to think Wotan was in someway involved with Dreyse and the development instead. It's not a written story, so someone would have to write it.

>>5261

I've never heard of this saga, would be very interested in hearing it. Maybe instead of his soul, Wotan makes Bismarck swear an oath to unite Germany into one nation. Ot would be very similar to other odinnic myths or the lay of rig, where the god comes down to the young hero and teaches him war and runes, then eggs him on to war to acquire land and greatness for his line.

>>5249

You're already involving Christians you fucking retard, and on top of that in order not to involve Christians you'd need to discard the last one thousand years of European history.

Useless fuckwit.

>>5263

What I wrote is all I know and could find. Also, I like how not everything is known. Not knowing what the deal between Bismark and Wotan contained or Dreyse's involvement in it makes it so much more mysterious, at least in my opinion. It also leaves enough room for others to add things to it.

>>5265

do you wanna write bismarcks saga then? Sounds like you know what to do

I am willing to write either Arminius' saga or Ludendorff.

>>5149

>>5121

That's a retarded idea and you're a moron.

How about we just not add extra sagas and you shill can fuck off, and stop trying to derail this thread.

>>5273

Whats wrong with Arminius, Bismarck and Ludendorff? I agree it should probably be the last thing we do, but its not a bad idea

Just the Hitler thing is a stupid idea

IMO it should include some of Ben Klassen's writings as well

Thread successfully derailed because Hitler is more important to you than the faith of your ancestors.

>>5274

Someone calmly disagrees with your judeo-christian leanings

I'm not Christian you fucking moron, he said that we should discard almost all of known European history just because it's Christian, go back to fucking your mom you inbred retard.

>>5284

*>Someone calmly disagrees with your judeo-christian leanings

>>5281

Yeah, maybe we should just make that into a different book entirely. Its more important we work on the original works instead

And no, I have no idea how to collect the texts together other than just putting it all into a word documents

>>5286

And how do you propose we revive that culture when most whites know nothing of their history and couldnt be bothered to learn?

This is the best way to get people interested in their culture. If youre really stupid and stubborn enough to not learn why Paganism died out while Christianity survived then you might as well go back to being a caveman. When the Romans faced the Dacians and their falxes, they adapted their armor to counter their swords. When the Saxons saw Roman armor and weapons and how much better it worked than nothing and simple spears, they adapted and imitated them. The Vikings took statues in human shape from Roman tradition as well

This is not about imitating Christianity because Christianity is superior, its about defeating them at their own game. Thats what adaptation is you fool.

>>5289

>This is not about imitating Christianity because Christianity is superior, its about defeating them at their own game. Thats what adaptation is you fool.

Your argument would make sense if this was the 1600s. Nowadays, the politicised masses - the ones you want to convert - don't read anymore except FB feeds and gossip magazines. The closest thing to pagan lit they'll read is an adaption from HBO's Vikings.

Understand that a culture and its manifestations are two separate things, and that the latter ones can ossify and lag behind the real thing. If the West is dying or already dead, you won't revive it in a pagan form by co-opting fossilised cultural manifestations.

A religion takes off not by gathering interest from the masses. That happens later on, when the religion is already maturing. You don't think the average Golden Age muslims actually read the damn thing, do you? Or most contemporary converts, for that matter?

>And how do you propose we revive that culture

White pagan babies in white pagan communities. Don't look to the masses, because they will be the first victims when the West finally kicks the bucket. Live by example, and do your part to gain demographic momentum. Look for like-minded families and take steps to move to a favourable area if possible.

>>5292

Also, Japan has more or less successfully brought back Shinto into its cultural life, so it's worthwhile to pay attention to them and take notes.

>>5294

>books are old and dumb lol

alright i guess we'll scrap this and just make a TV show about vikings

that always works

>>5295

>honorary aryrans

I dont fucking care this is about our own damn people you weeb, Shinto is interesting and can teach us a decent amount but they are not Aryans no matter how many kawaii Viking mango they make

>loli and tentacle porn nit degenerate

go back to /a/

if the only important thing about asatru is making white babies we might as well become Mormon

>>5294

>>5295

>>5292

>>5291

>>5290

>>5298

>>5297

This thread is about compiling the material for a book and not for discussing the purpose or the book itself. Create a new thread if you want to, since you have the urge to discuss it.

>>5299

Yeah, youre right, ignore the shills and trolls, lets get back to the topic on hand

anyone working on anything at the moment? im working on some brother grimm stories, still wondering where we can dump all the docs. i dont know website creation too well

So reading through Cinderella again, I notice a reoccurring theme is two birds helping her whenever need be. Though they're a different species each time, doves, robins, crows, pigeons, etc.

My first idea when wanting to rework it into a heathen story was to make every instance of this about Hugin and Munin instead. Then again, does that fit their role as watchers and observers?

I guess Odin would maybe take notice to how bad Cinderella is getting fucked over by her stepmother and stepsisters and try to send help.

Wanderer Odin takes on a fairy godmother like role possibly? Interesting to note the fairy godmother was never in the original story.

>>5312

Could be, would be an interesting play on the common Odinnic theme of the wandering warrior God teaching a young hero to be a warrior, which was the mark of the "chosen" (oy vey) of Odin, the noblemen.

Only in this case, it is Cinderella being chosen to ascend to noblewoman status, in a slightly less bloody way than a Germanic warrior of ancient times.

Also just based on natural observation, I've noticed ravens go in pairs more than any other bird. Usually smaller birds travel in small or large groups but ravens are almost always in a pair, maybe thats the origin of Hugin and Munin in terms of legends.

>>5295

Bloodaxe pls go

Hitlersaga is actually a good idea but would be best to leave as a seperate work

>>5316

Agreed. I think all sagas that we write ourselves should be made into a separate book.

I cant post the Anglo Saxon Rune poem as a doc. Dont have word doc on this computer right now so it was on word pad. Any way I can upload it here?

I dont like spamming it, I tried that with the Song of the Sun but that doesnt seem like a reliable way

>>5330

Post it on Pastebin.

http://pastebin.com/

>>5335

http://pastebin.com/jKJEnCLq

>>5349

Anglo Saxon Rune Poem

http://pastebin.com/jHw4KBhp

Song of the Sun

http://pastebin.com/hbkuWirJ

>>5353

the Crystal Ball (a brothers grimm tale, did not need any editing as it seems to be a old tale free from christian corruption)

http://pastebin.com/DpVJipsX

Im working on Bear Skin, another Grimm tale that struck me as very Odin-like

>>5358

how do i make proposed wiki? im pretty inexperienced with website creation

>>5372

>>5372

alright, I'm not in a good area for internet at the moment and don't have much money though. Will try and see what I can do.

also as stated in by OP , I am not promoting the idea of a heathen bible. It will be more for practical use for collecting spiritual material. Our ancestors were pragmatic, the Germans did not use statues and temples according to the Romans, praying in groves and at holy trees. But by the Viking age the northern Germanics had statues of Thor, Freyr and Odin. Many small statues of these gods have been found, and many more large and elaborate ones were described in the temples such as Uppsala and the temple of Thor. The Germans adapted their faith.

they didn't change the lores meaning or become Roman Christians they just used a different way to express their faith.

So is this idea dead or anyone still working on stuff? Ive been writing some Grimm stories replacing the Devil with Loki and in some cases Odin where it makes sense.

>>5414

I'm been looking through Germania to pick and choose parts of it to add.

Would it be a good idea to add cliffnotes for things such as >>5176 or >>5177?

>>5445

would be a good idea, just put a number after the name of "Mercury" with a cliffnote somewhere explaining why. If you need help with any incorrections Tactitus has or you want something to explain more in detail you can ask here.

Alright so I think at the beginning of the book there should be a disclaimer letting the reader know that the book in no way intends to be a "Bible" of heathenism, so I cooked this up.

>Disclaimer: The authors of this book in no way intend to make an official guide to Asatru or Heathenism through this book, this is simply a compilation of stories regarding the ancient lore, customs, practices, and morals of the Germanic and Northern European peoples, as well as the history of the area itself. The views of the authors are entirely their own and do not reflect the views of the heathen community as a whole.

Could be better but it's a rough draft so feel free to edit it as you need to.

>>5568

Sounds like a good idea to me

you should maybe include something about the stories we've edited too. Ive been editing a ton of Grimm stories by the way if anyone wants me to post them in pastebin

Just something about how the edited stories are not meant to be taken in the same regard as older heathen myths, they are just modern heathens' interpretations of Christianized folk-tales

Well you would just have two sections to the book. One, the Primary sources from Iceland. Two the secondary sources, and other germanic folklore and myths. And have a preamble before each section saying what they entail.

>>5570

This sounds like a better way of organizing it to me. Making it roughly chronological would also be nice if you could make it work somehow, at least in the historical parts.

I'm currently doing research concerning Cinderella and it's absolutely fascinating. I'm however working with a older version, so all of that prince and evil stepmother is sort of missing. I think she might have been practicing Seidr.

I might be adding a lot of stuff based on how they might make sense, and not based on evidence though. I have nothing presentable yet.

Other things:

Is anyone working on sleeping beauty? It's should be rather easy, considering how the story already is pretty similar to the one of Sigurd and Brynhild. The 13 fairies could be turned into 3 Norns and the forest into fire.

>>5665

No, but I've been working on some others quite a bit. When are we going to get to share this into one doc. or book?

>>5717

We need a nice way to collect things first. I just created a github, simply to try if it works out.

here:

https://github.com/LudwigStark/Book-Of-Asatru

I have absolutely no idea yet about how people can add things and who will be able to edit them. Ideally only the orginal uploader should be able to edit while others only can comment.

>>5727

Do we have to make an account?

I can add several stories I've edited so far

>>5727

How do I add stories?

http://strawpoll.me/4507846

>>5738

This is unrelated entirely

>>5735

>>5734

You need an account. I however have no idea if you can add stories as I never added something someplace I don't own. I know that I can add stuff by clicking on the + after "Book-Of-Asatru"

>>5748

>>5748

I made an account and yeah, I cant post anything on it

>>5760

Seems like I have to add people for them being able to add stuff, but it would also allow them to edit other peoples stuff. This site really isn't optimal. Maybe voat would work?

>>5762

Well I made an account but yeah I cant add anything

never used voat

>>5812

My account name is wizard44.

if possible, i think it would be really cool to have the book printed in runic lettering.

>>5842

It would be cool but extremely impractical. Hardly anyone knows runes and even those that do would find it difficult to read. It would also make it a very exclusive religious text and only available to those that are highly initiated, and at that point the purpose of the book has been lost.

It would be cool however and I do see one practical application; keeping our lore a secret from outsiders and in the day of the internet thats not really practical either

OP here, is anyone still doing anything with this? I don't want to see this project die

>>5943

It kind of looks bad. Do you think more people would post stuff if I turn the collection page >>5812 anonymous?

>>5951

Yes it would be best, this project is small enough that it won't be a problem.

>>5958

Done. Do you have an account? I'll add you as a mod.

>>5965

Yes, Wizard44. thank you friend

>>5966

I sent you an invitation some time ago I believe.

>>5967

I dont see it,

I've never used this website

>>5968

Check out the top right corner of your screen. Next to the log out button.

>>5969

sorry im website retarded sometimes

do i click discuss?

>>5972

That's a lot of stuff mate. Also some of it needs editing. To make a paragraph you need to press enter 2 times.

>>5993

Sorry been working on it for a while. Alright.

So what do you think of it beyond the bad formatting and editing?

Are we going to ignore the Kalevala or is Finland not Asatrupilled?

>>6247

Forgot about it honestly, is the Kalevala Germanic Paganism? I remember it being Baltic, not Germanic

>>6248

Finnish, so it's sort of in between Baltic and Germanic paganism, I'd say leaning toward Germanic a lot more.

Don't bloody include Finnish stuff. They don't even speak a European language.

How about including "Njal's Saga" it has a lot to do with ancient legal proceedings considering marriage, divorce, etc. Also mentions stuff like prophetic dreams and omens.

It also has a warning about keeping blood-feuds though and their destructive nature.

>>6304

that sounds extremely useful

Since this thread is pretty much dead, I;m considering messaging Stephan Mcknallen or the AFA indirectly about the Book Project

>>6402

I have the will, just nobody else does apparently

I would do it but i don't feel qualified.

>>6402

>>6407

Oh thank Odin people are still talking about this.

Ever notice how many Eastern Religions (Islam included) simply don't put any material out in English?

So, let's go through the Poetic Edda and edit it in a manner such that it is poetic in modern English.

No non-8chan site is going to stay up for long (As this thread proves), so I'll just post my current shit here.

How awful is it? Alliterative verse, so stress the first repeating syllable. I can't upload the file for whatever reason, SO!

NEW

1, I ask you to hear || o’ holy races,

Children great and small || of he the Bright God;

Allfather willing || I will tell you now

Old tales that I know || of truth and of fate.

(((((((((((-In the Rigsthula Rig is said to make humans, but Rig = Heimdall usually?))))))))))))

(((((((((((((-Norse/Anglo-Saxon names or straight out translations? )))))))))))))

((((((((((((Bright God = Heimdall))))))

2, I remember giants, || roving monsters yes

Who ate bread with me || many decades past;

Nine worlds I knew || the Nine in the tree

It’s mighty roots deep || within the murky void

((((((((((((((((9Is the witch a giant?))))))))))

3, Once, an age ago || only Ymir was;

Sea nor cool waves were || nor sand washed by them;

Earth below was not || nor were the heavens

Only was the yawning gap || grass and life nowhere.

4, Then Bur’s sons lifted || the low level land

Midgard, how mighty, || where they made much;

The sun from the south || warmed the stone of Earth

And green was the ground || growing great with life.

((((((((((((-Again, some kind of explanatory preface might be needed as we skip forward from “Void” to “Ymir” to ))))

((((((((((((“Dwarves”.)))))))))))))

((((((((((((-In line 4, 1st verse, the sun from the south? It might be referring to some Scandinavian “No sun in the ))))

((((((((((((winter” stuff. I dunno. Should it be changed to “In the east”?)))))))))))))

5, The sun, the sister || of the moon, from the south

Her right hand so high || over heaven’s head;

Having not yet || a home of her’s.

The moon knew not || his manifold might

The stars knew not their || own noble stations

((((((((((((((((99That 1st line is kinda goofy. Did I get it right?))))))))))))))))0

This thread is beautiful. ;~;

I'm glad I started coming here.

>>6420

You know there are already a lot of English translations of the Poetic Edda right?

Here is one I quite like from Lee M. Hollander also in alliterative verse.

Hear me, all ye hallowed beings,

Both high and low of Heimdall's children:

Thou wilt, Valfather, that I well set forth

The fates of the world which as first I recall.

I call to mind the kin of etins

Which long ago did give me life.

Nine worlds I know, the nine abodes

Of the glorious world-tree the ground beneath.

In earliest times did Ymir live:

Was not sea nor land nor salty waves,

Neither earth was there nor upper heaven,

But a gaping nothing, and green things nowhere.

Was the land then lifted aloft by Bur's sons

Who made Mithgarth, the matchless earth;

Shone from the south the sun on dry land,

On the ground then grew the greensward soft.

From the south the sun, by the side of the moon,

Heaved his right hand over heaven's rim;

The sun knew not what seat he had,

The stars knew not what stead they held,

The moon knew not what might she had.

>>6569

you want to start helping us with this project then?

You all should also check out Tolkien's rendition of The Legend of Sigurd and Gudrun in modern English alliterative verse. It was composed by compiling the sources from the Poetic Edda, the Volsunga Saga, and the Nibelungenlied. The Narrative is only slightly altered to give a greater importance to the character of Sigurd within the mythos. It does a good job of harmonizing the disparate sources and in my opinion does justice to the great story equivalent to the Trojan Epics of the Greeks.

I'm not saying use his in the book but something like this should be considered because the story comes down to us only in fragments and the Nibelungenlied is a Christianized version.

>>6572

Sweet, that's way fucking better than mine. I couldn't find anything that was poetic. Thanks man!

OP of the book thread here, since this thread seems to be dying I'm gonna go ahead and post my skype. Anyone still interested in this project messages me whenever so we can start working on this with better organization.

>>6647

forgot to post skype like a dingus

>crimsoncherub

>>6648

Moldymarshmello

>>5155

>kek

Go back to /b/, kid.

>>5252

>>>/pol/

bump

bump

>>5081

the goths were aryan christians, not much pagan about that

>>8469

And what were they before they became christian?

Also you misspelled "Arian"

Bumping, but I suggest taking it further. The creation of new mythologies, new inerpretations of the gods, and more. Most will not resonate with the souls of our folk as a whole and will die. While truly divinely inspired works will rise and be reforged over and over again as the original tales were, strengthened with the collective consciousness of our folk with every reforging until it becomes a bonafide myth, reborn. We can never recover the millions of lost myths burned by the christcucks, but they live deep in our soul still. With ritualized effort and a LOT of time and re-tellings, they can be brought back to us.

>>9027

>>9027

>The creation of new mythologies

That is heresy the aesir would not approve of

>>9029

Yet you just spoke for them. You're doing it right now so your soul betrays your words.

Heresy? How heavily influenced by Christian dogma are you? There is no such thing as heresy. The gods only come into the physical universe through the expressions of our spirits. You need to start thinking of yourself as a spiritual agent for the Gods and let them manifest through you.

No one person can do this, but a community of our folk CAN.

>>5111

good luck getting women to join then, at least give them some freedom, according to one trader's memoires, women in the city of schleswig were able to initiate a divorce, and remarry.

>>9417

That does raise a question to mind however, in the reconstruction how do we determine rules and such that may come out in a newly turned pagan society? Will we be going off before encounters with Rome? Before Christianisation? The northern nations as christianisation was ongoing in the south?

Hey now assholes, if you want to reform the religion and create a holybook you have to take over at least 3 holy sites and have 50%+ moral authority.

:^)

>>13383

It's not supposed to be a holy book, just a cole toon of stories, history, and theology to help people along

And 750 piety. Though if you control all five you can do it for free

>>13437

I guess it can be justified for certain situations but in general, if you have sex before marriage you psychologically learn that its something cheap and not sacred. that kind of lifestyle has led to the society of hyenas that is currently the west. yeah it might seem mean to you or something, trust me, im a bastard child, all my cousins are bastard children, and all their parents and mine were dumb short minded idiots who thought their own pleasure was more important than the well being of their children , theres a reason the ancient germans bogged any type of degenerate. allowing weakness within your society seems like a minor slight at first but the consequences will be beyond your comprehension

and saying that something bears resemblance to judaism or islam is an old argument that doesnt mean much, yes muslims treat their women like shit, maybe thats why they have a handle on them and havent devolved into a effeminate shitheap like the west has.

>>13439

>if you have sex before marriage you psychologically learn that its something cheap and not sacred

I can agree with this, in principle. If a woman sluts around before marriage, then that's a red flag that she can't be expected to honor a commitment. These women should be avoided. But is it fair to deny somebody the chance to marry honorably just because it was taken from them by force?

>yes muslims treat their women like shit, maybe thats why they have a handle on them and havent devolved into a effeminate shitheap like the west has.

In Muslim countries, victims of rape are charged with adultery and put to death. I hope you're not defending this kind of behavior?

There's a fine line between keeping a firm grip on your women, and stoning rape victims. Is that a line we want to cross?

>>13440

I agree. It's far better to have an ideal or an aspiration that is shared culturally than to have a codex of rules. Good people don't need rules and bad people weasel around them.

A virgin bride is ideal. Non-virgins can't take it back, but they should raise their daughters with this ideal anyway. and being promiscuous isn't beneficial for men, either

>>13440

Not sure what the eddas or sagas had to say on that subject tbh, would anyone else know?

and no im not defending that behavior, but the clear problem of the modern day west is it has become effeminate . muslims never have and never will have that problem because they know the female instinct when allowed to run wild can destroy society.their answer is extreme yes, but (((((western governments)))) answer (to let women rule society and to become cuckolds) is clearly worse

neither gender should be degenerate or promiscuous but in my experience degeneracy seems to be related more to feminine energy tbh. both of my parents were degenerates though so what do I know.

however I would recommend reading the histories of herodotus, specifically the section on the scythians and the bastard wars

>>13444

>muslims never have and never will have that problem

Right, but they get about 10 other problems to make up for it, at least from the Euro perspective. Their solutions were crafted for their own people, not ours.

I honestly believe the solution to our problems is remarkably simple. Stop demonizing parenthood. Stop encouraging whores. Stop exulting hyper-individuality and atomization. If these things were just stopped the problem would solve itself without much other intervention. Euros would re-discover their own natural, deeply-running inclinations handed down to us from the mists of time. It's like an air raid siren being played over Mozart 24/7. Just turn off the siren.

>>5081

Sounds good.

Knowing LaTeX is probably a boon in this endeavor.

Which I do.

Assign me a single task at a time and it's very likely that I will do it.

>>13440

>There's a fine line between keeping a firm grip on your women, and stoning rape victims. Is that a line we want to cross?

It depends.

Do you mean actual rape? i.e., the forcible abduction and penetration of an unwilling participant?

Or "date rape", which is basically shorthand for "drunk sex with a guy I honestly shouldn't have even been talking to"?

Because the former is extremely rare, usually committed by shitskins, and was basically non-existent in Heathen-era Europe (and severely punished when it did happen).

Yes, I can understand why you'd be fearful for your chastity when living in a (((diverse))) country like Sweden or America, but that's simply not a problem that ancient Heathens had to deal with.

And date rape isn't real rape. It's called having consequences for your actions.

>>13515

>And date rape isn't real rape. It's called having consequences for your actions.

This is exactly what I was talking about when I said "Islam-tier."

>Oh, you got raped at a party? Should have had your hair covered, kaffir :^)

This is what you sound like.

>>13517

If you're drunk, the other person is drunk or other wise intoxcated/inhibited and you both go off to have sex and then the woman regrets it that's date "rape" if you're at a party and he drags the woman off and forces himself upon her then that's rape.

The first one is two adults who got drunk and one regrets it come morning. The second is legitimate rape. There is a difference

>>13517

Presumably we're talking about a situation where a woman get's so drunk she cannot consent in any meaningful sense of the word. In this case I'd say it's not their fault, per se.

Let's say I, a man, withdrew all my life savings and put it in a huge burlap sack with a dollar sign stenciled on it. Then I decide to take a leisurely stroll through the ghetto at 2 AM. Is it my fault if I get beaten up and robbed? Not really, the criminals are still responsible. But I don't think I'd deserve much sympathy.

This seems obvious to me, and so I don't do something like this. But we've betrayed our women by not teaching our daughters to be safe. We tell them that they have a gods-given right to get pass-out drunk and not be touched by any scum, and if they do, it's society's fault for not teaching the scum to not be scum. It would be laughable if it wern't so tragic.

>>13522

Also this. If a woman is so drunk she can barely move or speak coherently, it's definitely rape.

The problem is the woman who gets tipsy and sleeps with a guy she already likes. Then other women call her a whore and she accuses her partner of raping her in order to save face. This is not rape.

>>13587

1. Not actually an asatruar. For right now it's just curiosity.

2. If you both get stone blind drunk then it's probably not rape.

3.asking just how drunk both parties were is a pretty important detail to know before you go and destroy someone's life.

4. You can also go ask any anon on /pol/ and they'll probably say something similar

>>13588

>Not actually an asatruar. For right now it's just curiosity.

Me too. I'm actually an ex-Muslim, which is probably unusual in the Asatru community.

>asking just how drunk both parties were is a pretty important detail to know before you go and destroy someone's life.

I dare you to walk into a women's march and say that.

>You can also go ask any anon on /pol/

Really not helping your case, here.

>>13587

If you think hyper-masculinity and "boneheads" is the biggest problem the white race has right now youre a fucking moron

I feel bad for you and think rapists should be punished severely, but you have to understand that alot of whores have destroyed the meaning of the word "rape". Every girl ive met who claimed she was raped was also by major coincidence a gigantic whore who was known for sleeping with unsavory people

Also if youre not Asatru yourself (like you stated) why are you saying "No way in Helheim" like a fucking dork who just started reading thor comics

you reek of /christ/ shill and whore

>womens march

who the fuck cares

>ex-Muslim

INTO THE BOG

>>13587

more reasons you reek of shill and whore to me :

your arguments are very emotion based and remind of the sorta things my ex girlfriend used to say to me EG "I dare you to walk into the womens march and say that"

What the fuck does that mean exactly and how is it a counter to the argument? Hey, I dare you to walk into the middle east with no clothes on. When you get gangraped we will know the muslims have the superior argument

>Yeah, see, women who have been raped don't like it when you ask all these prodding questions.

too bad, tell that to a judge or a police officer questioning a girl whos been raped. you remind me of all those girls that wanted rape to be an instant arrest crime with no trial or evidence required because Kesha said it.

>EX-MUSLIM

do I really need to say anything to this? Although i must admit im curious why the fuck are you here? Youre either an arabic girl (bad news, white gods dont like you) a white whore who converted with her muslim boyfriend (white gods REALLY dont like you) or some kinda idiot who actually converted to islam on their own vocation , Im interested to hear which

>>13587

>women who have been raped don't like it when you ask all these prodding questions

Well I am sorry to upset them, but a charge such as rape needs to be fully investigated and not a single stone left unturned. This is because I believe the punishment for it needs to be severe, and you can't just hand it out or avoid it based on skimming the surface or taking one party at their word.

You might not like it, but in the long run it would be far more beneficial to womankind.

>>13589

>I dare you to walk into a women's march and say that

I'd just get earplugs to block out the higher ranges of shrieking.

>>13598

into the bog it goes

and no, the religion is not called asshattrue. thats a name invented by that icelandic guy that claims all the credit for reviving it, despite it clearly have resurgent movements in the nazi party and earlier in german nationalist movements (WOULDNT WANNA BE RACIST HERE WOULD WE?)

the true name of our religion is Heathenry, it is what they called it themselves and what the Christians first called us. Know what Heathen means? Its latin for "Goyim" or "gentile" and refers to the tribal blood religion of the gentiles. strange that the name of a religion would also be the name of a race huh? kinda like how Shinto japanese dont let gaijin convert to their religion, or the same with jews. the point is that Heathenry is a tribal religion so yes the gods care very much about your "color". I dont think youve read too much of the Eddas considering if you did , you might have read the Rigsthula where the God Heimdall establishes the hierachy of mankind with blondes at the top, redheads in the middle and black hairs and nonwhites at the bottom. If that doesnt convince you, plz read the Heimskringla and about the Nordic rituals, especially regarding their kings, and how only "those of the race of Yngvi" were allowed to participate in most rituals, and were the only stock allowed to be kings.

now please tell me why the norsemen would have tolerated you being a coalburner? I know you like to live a little fantasy life where all the vikings are just like Ragnar in that Vikings show, but no, they would not let you have sex with their slaves or offer you mushrooms. they would find that are an unsavory whore and either make you a sex-slave or just toss you into a bog to drown.

ive also noticed this trend among alot of wiccatru and faggot pretender pagans; they tend to say "NOTHING IN THIS PARTICULAR BOOK SAYS SO!!!" and ignore all other religious texts from the same culture, and COMPLETELY ignore cultural and historical context. what does it matter that the germanic tribes put faggots and whores to the death? it doesnt say anything about that in the prose edda clearly it means nothing. if we took this same approach to christianity it would be fucking insane

you should also know there is no evidence runes were used for divination (Tacitus is the only person that claims they were, and he was the same guy who claimed germans would throw faggots into bogs and disdained any kind of sexual uncouthness, if you want to LARP with your plastic runestones you bought on ebay youll have to kill some queers too) and also that witches were always viewed with suspicion in germanic culture even before christian times. germanic magic isnt something to be trifled with you stupid fool. go read the Jomsviking saga and Njals Saga if you really want "magical systems" (most of them involve blood sacrifices and appealing to harsh war deities with grim offerings, I dare you pussy )

>The gods don't care what color me or my boyfriend is, nowhere in the Eddas is this even implied. The religion is called Asatru, not Nazitru.

the butthurt and denial makes it obvious that youre a coalburning whore who regrets wasting her virginity

>>13601

>you might have read the Rigsthula where the God Heimdall establishes the hierachy of mankind with blondes at the top, redheads in the middle and black hairs and nonwhites at the bottom

I have brown hair and hazel eyes, where does that put me? :t

I have a very Anglo-Saxon phenotype. But I'm also 1/4 Norwegian.

>>13601

>kinda like how Shinto japanese dont let gaijin convert to their religion, or the same with jews

Actually a lot of Jewish sects allow for non-Semitic converts. One of my best friends, who is white and transgender, converted to Judaism. It's a very accepting and modern faith, one I feel we could learn a lot from.

>now please tell me why the norsemen would have tolerated you being a coalburner?

They wouldn't have. But that was then and this is now. Look at how much Christianity has changed since the middle ages; they don't burn witches or stone adulteresses anymore. Their religion has changed with the times. Their religion was willing to undergo reform. And we should, too. Because anything that doesn't adapt will die. It's simple Darwinism; the organism best suited for survival, is the one most adaptive to change.

"Nothing dies unless it is moribund…" -Adolf Hitler

You hear that? That's the sound of your white supremacist idol calling you a dumbass.

>I know you like to live a little fantasy life where all the vikings are just like Ragnar in that Vikings show, but no, they would not let you have sex with their slaves or offer you mushrooms. they would find that are an unsavory whore and either make you a sex-slave or just toss you into a bog to drown.

I have no delusions that the Vikings were nice people. I'm saying that that's our history; it's not necessarily something we should be trying to emulate. Do you think Shintoists all strive to act like historical samurai, with their toxic levels of pride and wrathfulness?

>ive also noticed this trend among alot of wiccatru and faggot pretender pagans; they tend to say "NOTHING IN THIS PARTICULAR BOOK SAYS SO!!!" and ignore all other religious texts from the same culture, and COMPLETELY ignore cultural and historical context. what does it matter that the germanic tribes put faggots and whores to the death? it doesnt say anything about that in the prose edda clearly it means nothing. if we took this same approach to christianity it would be fucking insane

Christians DO take that same approach to their religion, though. I don't see any Christians trying to reconstruct the culture of 1st century Palestine. Yes, historical Heathen culture had different norms from our modern one, but that doesn't mean Heathenry is incompatible with modern humanistic principles. We need to remember the spirit of the faith; the Heathen way is to strive toward honor. Racism and homophobia aren't honorable.

>you should also know there is no evidence runes were used for divination (Tacitus is the only person that claims they were, and he was the same guy who claimed germans would throw faggots into bogs and disdained any kind of sexual uncouthness, if you want to LARP with your plastic runestones you bought on ebay youll have to kill some queers too) and also that witches were always viewed with suspicion in germanic culture even before christian times. germanic magic isnt something to be trifled with you stupid fool. go read the Jomsviking saga and Njals Saga if you really want "magical systems" (most of them involve blood sacrifices and appealing to harsh war deities with grim offerings, I dare you pussy )

Men in every civilization have feared the power of the witch. And I know that, among Norse men, magic was viewed as a cowardly and "womanly" practice. But, it's a calling. Nobody becomes a witch because they want to; you pretty much have to be born one.

And my runes are made of wood, not plastic. :)

>>13601

>if we took this same approach to christianity it would be fucking insane

It would be called "Protestantism." Or perhaps Orthodox Judaism. Semites and their brethren are obsessed with the written word and give almost zero shits about context or actual meaning.

As far as racemixing and degeneracy go, it's on the wiccatru to prove it is acceptable. Until they can show us an example of the ancient Germanics accepting it, we can assume it was reviled (even without Tacitus et al) because that is the human norm.

An interesting paper on the aberrations of the modern mind:

http://www2.psych.ubc ca/~henrich/pdfs/Weird_People_BBS_final02.pdf

>>13608

>One of my best friends, who is white and transgender, converted to Judaism.

I officially declare this a ruse cruise.

>>13610

Yes, we get it, you're a bigot. There's no need to keep reemphasizing.

>>13608

>saying anything positive about Judaism

youre new here arent you Moshe? youll have to be more subtle than that, I can smell the bagels from my screen

>>13606

Tbh ive always taken the Rigstula to be more metaphorical than an literal look at Nordic racial cosmology, many Kings in Norway were named "The black" in reference to them having black beards (or probably cuz they was KANGZ)

however the mere fact the norsemen would use hair color and skin tone (the blond king-children of Heimdall are said to have pure white skin while the middle-children have ruddy tones and a tan) as an analogy for societal structure is pretty telling about how "nonracist" and tolerant they were

this "girl" is really starting to sound like a troll or a ruse to me given how retarded her arguments and the fact she srsly thinks sandniggers can become heathens

>>13608

>quoting Hitler with one breath and praising Jews and "cultural progressiveness" in the next breath

KYS whore

>>13615

>LARPing

yeah this is a /christian/ faggot

>>13615

here you go

http://queerpagans.tumblr.com/

>>13616

>missing the point

I quoted Hitler because I figured he's someone you might identify with.

One of the first rules of persuasive speaking, is to know your audience. Is this a social skill you don't have?

>>13619

You said you were leaving already you dumb slut are you gonna show us your tits now or what?

Also as the OP of this thread can I just ask how exactly a thread made for compiling resources and knowledge turned into some dumb whores attention blog? im too lazy to scroll up and see whatever her first retarded post was, can mods just ban her for derailing plz

>>13601

>icelandic guy

Hey Sveinbjörn was a pretty cool guy (his successors aren't though) but I agree that List deserves a lot more recognition than he currently gets.

>heathen is latin for goyim

It's actually from the Saxon 'hæþen' meaning "people of the heath" which was used to refer to the country folk who hadn't become Christian yet.

The term was later adopted by several Germanic peoples including the Heathen Norse, in Norse the word 'heiðinn' literally means "honorable" and "honest" so I think it was a pretty good pick.

>>13610

>>13617

Yup

>>13623

Sorry I dont know much about him tbh, all I know is most of the Icelandic Asatru community is shit so I assumed

is he the same guy that wanted to record the entire poetic edda in skald form? if so then hes ok

>>13622

Look to these three posts for context: >>5111 >>9417 >>13437

Basically some leftist wiccatru got all cunthurt because another anon said non-virgins shouldn't be allowed to marry.

>>13619

>One of the first rules of persuasive speaking

Yeah, it's also a derivative of Alinsky Rule #4. Nice try, though.

>>13622

Sorry, bro. It's funny how libshits only take like, two prods before they melt down and show their true colors. Sometimes even less than that.

But let's get this thread back on track. How goes the project?

>>13638

should be noted that Njord was from the Vanir tribe, was heavily implied to have fucked his own sister and was defending the incestuous relationship between Freyr and Freyja

does not represent general heathen beliefs , Njord was a flawed god, like most of them. I always sorta thought the main point of the Lokesanna was pointing out the flaws inherent in each god , which is an inherent part of their archetype. taking every single word of a deity from mythology as literal truth from that cultures perspective is fucking retarded , the pagan gods were known to be flawed personally. hercules was not a perfect human being emotionally (although he was physically), and thats kind of the point

also Odin makes it very clear the Aesir's morals supersede the Vanic ones ever since the war between them. the fact the aesir seemed disgusted with the Vanic practices of orgies and incest implies they didnt approve of any of their degenerate shit, and the conquering of the Vanir itself almost seems to be metaphorical for conquering the savage nature of mankind that lies within.

whats next, that jew book about odins cult being gay? youre running out of ammo

>>13643

>whats next, that jew book about odins cult being gay?

lol, I remember that one. Remember, he was also a Turkish god somehow, too.

>>13654

No

the norsemen worshiped both gods for a reason you dumby, that whole "asatru/vanatru" thing makes no sense to me, just be heathen

my patroness is freya and I worship her above all other gods, but not for the reasons most hippies who claim to worship her do

theres nothing wrong about the vanir, they just have the flaws inherent in materialistic humanity

>>13643

>savage nature

Close to my thoughts. I've told many before that I believe Frey and Freyja might represent biology or the animal kingdom because of Loki's accusations.

>>13656

youre prolly right, I believe the vanir represent biology and materialism while the aesir represent the mind and spiritualism

>>13661

I always thought the Vanir were the gods of the hunter-gatherer and horticultural Europeans, and the Aesir were the gods of the Aryans.

>>13661

That's an interesting interpretation.

I kind of intuited that the Vanir are peacetime gods, while the Aesir are wartime gods. The Aesir's superiority over the Vanir is perhaps a reminder that readiness for war is necessary to preserve peace.

>>13654

I don't think there's any precedent for neglecting one clan or the other. In fact, the Aesir-Vanir distinction is only attested in Norse sources. In Anglo-Saxon and continental sources, there are only mentions of the gods. Absence of evidence is not necessarily evidence of absence, mind; it's possible that continental and insular Germanic people did have a conception of the Aesir and Vanir as two distinct groups, but it doesn't seem to be shown anywhere. Anyway, whatever your personal thoughts on the validity or legitimacy of a distinction between two groups of gods, I'd say that there's nothing wrong with - indeed, precedents in all Indo-European traditions - for cults of particular single deities, but being part of a group who tend to a sacred grove to Nerthuz isn't the same thing as being "Asatru or Vanatru".

>>13643

>>13655

>>13656

>>13661

>>13663

>>13664

All really interesting ideas. I've considered and seen posited by others the idea that the Vanir might be the gods of pre-Aryan indigenous northern Europeans whereas the Vanir are the gods of the invading/migrating Aryans of the period just before the Nordic bronze age, as >>13663 said, but I don't know how solidly supported this idea is. I definitely see and agree with the sense of the Vanir being more primitive, more earthy and more material, They tend to have spheres relating to land, fertility, bounty, wealth, whereas the Aesir tend to have more to do with either martial or philosophical/artistic domains. That said, it's interesting to note that the Vanir were originally those who knew seidhr, and that Odin had to learn it from them. Odin, of course, discovered the runes and so likely developed/learned non-seidhr magical practices, but still, the Vanir are gifted with magical foresight and were the original practitioners of seidhr, which adds an interesting dimension to them beyond being gods solely of material bounty.

While my mention of the Aesir - mostly Odin, but Tyr was likely once considered the chief of the gods and is also considered a martial and ruling god with an association of order/law/justice attached to him - commonly embodying both martial and intellectual spheres is fresh, consider the Hindu varna system: The Brahmins act as philosophers, scholars, religious leaders, teachers, etc. The Kshatriyas are administrator and warriors. (Only the Brahmins and Kshatriyas are considered Aryan in Hindu tradition, by the way; likely, they are the ones most descended from the Indo-European invaders of the Indian sub-continent.) The Vaishyas are merchants, traders, craftsmen, people with economic duties. The Sudras are labourers and servants. Consider the Rigsmal which describes the origins of the three social strata of Norse society. Jarl's son, Konr, learns to be a warrior and a ruler as well as to read and write, of poetry, of magic, etc. Karl's children are smiths, traders, etc. Thrall's are slaves and servants. It's obviously not the same as the Varna system, and Norse society was less strictly regimented than Hindu society - one can go from thrall to free man in an instant, simply by being freed, whereas Varna membership is life-long - but the parallels are clear to see. What's interesting is that Thrall and the Sudras can be equated, Karl and the Vaishyas can be equated, but Jarl seems to be a conflation of both the Brahmins and the Kshatriyas. This, I think, echoes (or is echoed by) the fact that Odin is both a god of war and kingmaking and a god of wisdom, knowledge and magic. Tyr is perhaps more purely Kshatriya material, as a ruler-warrior, but Odin definitely has attributes of both Varnas. To me, it evokes a quotation from Sir William Francis Butler: 'The nation that will insist upon drawing a broad line of demarcation between the fighting man and the thinking man is liable to find its fighting done by fools and its thinking by cowards.'

>>13787

>Sir William Francis Butler: 'The nation that will insist upon drawing a broad line of demarcation between the fighting man and the thinking man is liable to find its fighting done by fools and its thinking by cowards.'

Thanks for the attribution. I had assumed that quote was from some Greek philosopher.

The Aesir always seemed to me to not even have domains in the strictest sense. Thor isn't the god OF thunder, thunder is just what happens when he rides his chariot around and kills giants. Odin isn't the god OF knowledge, he just has a lot of it. They are later assigned these domains, perhaps by occult-minded medieval writers. Somebody in another thread said wiccans treated their gods like pokemon, maybe the same thing was going on there.

Anyway, interesting analysis. Can you recommend a good beginner book on Hinduism?

>>13788

>Odin isn't the god OF knowledge, he just has a lot of it

Actually the older continental form of him was mainly conected to storms, death and agriculture.