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File: 4d21395c8e0f67f⋯.jpg (71.93 KB, 640x798, 320:399, rats.jpg)

 No.14998 [Open thread]

post rats? i'd love to

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File: 1797fb59ab35214⋯.png (99.72 KB, 465x711, 155:237, om7e5vmiw5w61.png)

 No.14972 [Open thread]

Who is Scott's current girlfriend? He mentions her a couple of times in his blog posts, and he met her thanks to the rationalist community, so I assume it's not a very confidential information.

I'm asking because I'm both very curious and very worried. Despite his extensive knowledge, Scott still seems to be in a partial (explicit or implicit) denial about the contemporary female strategies and risks associated with dating/marrying as a man in 2021. He also plans to have kids. I want him to be in a happy relationship, but I don't want to lose one of the kindest and most insightful intellectuals to an exploitative relationship, emotional abuse, false accusations, a nightmarish divorce, or the current child custody and alimony laws…

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 No.14976

File: 953442169bc007b⋯.png (314.69 KB, 2310x1094, 1155:547, veqxbqzfem331.png)

>>14972

Scott doesn't HAVE girlfriends. What he has are """girlfriends""" that he chastely cuddles with at night after they have finished getting pounded by Chad. He has convinced himself that it's OK to be a cuck because he's "asexual", but that's just a galaxy-sized cope.

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 No.14977

>>14976

Do you think Scott wants to have sex with his girlfriends but for some reason doesn't? If so, what is the reason? (No deontological reasons, please.)

>Too shy and timid to use his real name

>Hate media attention

Harsher in hindsight.

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 No.14978

File: e8ad738967b70cf⋯.jpg (431.13 KB, 750x969, 250:323, 1523391610660.jpg)

>>14977

He suffers from the same problem Scott Aaronson described in "Comment #171"; he has been brainwashed by progressive feminism into believing that his natural male impulses are wrong and evil. This is a typical problem with nerdy men; all boys in the Current Year get indoctrinated with anti-male ideology by schools and television, but autistic nerds take actually take those ideas seriously, while normies just mouth the words and then keep doing what they were doing.

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 No.14979

>>14978

Okay, you've give the reason. Does this mean your answer to "Do you think Scott wants to have sex with his girlfriends but for some reason doesn't?" is a yes? Scott can suffer from male feminist brainworms and be genuinely asexual.

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 No.14997

>>14979

>genuinely asexual people are a real thing

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File: c6b835dd0535533⋯.png (4.12 KB, 554x55, 554:55, ssc_generally_embarassing.png)

 No.14996 [Open thread]

Shot: "Meditations on Moloch"

Chaser: "The International Jew"

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File: 7f5107fe8c9edc7⋯.png (61.15 KB, 650x359, 650:359, LuLBJfh.png)

 No.14994 [Open thread]

What do you believe in YOUR house, anon?

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 No.14995

Mostly the same things I believe outside of it.

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File: b3fb33ec262f51f⋯.jpg (13.38 KB, 280x280, 1:1, 4cRlD_0_400x400.jpg)

 No.14988 [Open thread]

Who is the leader of the rationalist community and/or the AI safety community? Or do they even have a leader?

Pic related, Yudkowsky is the most popular person on Less Wrong and seems to be the most important person in MIRI and MIRI is the biggest AI safety nonprofit organization.

Nick Bostrom was the biggest popularizer of AI safety concepts with his book Superintelligence. Demis Hassabis of DeepMind is the most important person when it comes to AI in general and possibly AI safety. I think Scott Alexander has the most reader of the rationalist figures. Holden Karnofsky seems to be the most important person in effective altruism circles. Dustin Moskovitz and Elon Musk are the richest people giving money to effective altruism and AI safety.

My conclusion: I dunno, it doesn't seem like the rationalist community has a proper leader. But my impression is that Eliezer Yudkowsky's have been historically the most important.

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 No.14991

Right now the leader of the movement is David Gerard

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 No.14993

File: 10f271a74ed08c6⋯.jpg (8.49 KB, 233x217, 233:217, download.jpg)

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File: 8072fa5f9eed1a6⋯.png (196.16 KB, 511x481, 511:481, dfb181f2a1a32feca615bafc99….png)

 No.10265 [Open thread][Last 50 Posts]

Are you a "transition so yudkowsky can paddle you" rationalist or a "transition so you can cuddle with scott" rationalist?

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 No.14937

>>14874

imagine seeing males as a limited resources! how ugly do you have to be to not drown in dick ROFLMAOL

> those MRI papers

oh, you mean like the one that showed that trans brains TAKE the form of the target gender AFTER 6 MONTHS on hormones?

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 No.14980

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 No.14989

adam is gay

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 No.14990

>>14989

So true bestie

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 No.14992

>>14990

hi putin

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File: 5d41b35abe673ed⋯.jpg (23.96 KB, 700x800, 7:8, momo_by_sugargrl14_d17cyfq….jpg)

 No.14900 [Open thread]

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 No.14971

File: e407310ffe914f5⋯.png (34.26 KB, 649x261, 649:261, The_World_Still_Burns.png)

File: 299651a23b18f9f⋯.png (31.23 KB, 612x240, 51:20, Ah_hahaha_Zolbar_you_are_s….png)

>>14970

This certainly looks like a healthy mindset, I don't understand how this person could have had severe mental issues. Second pic unrelated.

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 No.14982

I expect the next Ziz's "suicide" victim to be Sobet Carter also known as (psc/PlumOfDiscord/RobustHibiscus/Nis/possibly other sockpuppets). He is currently being blackmailed by Ziz/Emma and used by them as a mule for potentially-illegal operations (such as spreading libel)

I also half-expect another anon webshite full of nonsensical accusations against James Eddington (https://www.ishygddt.xyz/ aka squeegily) similar to the one Sobet put up a few months ago against Pressman.

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 No.14985

>>14943

miricult.com was eight years ago. Nothing came of it. Why is that? Who was wrong?

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 No.14986

>>14900

The Sequences are legendary for being a long slog, but Ziz's shit is the fucking Northern Caves.

What is going on? Is everyone fucking everyone else and accusing them of DARVO? Is there some weird combination of the social license and default-pity of being female with the aggression of being raised male that puts transwomen at the center of all of this?

And who exactly is being accused of statutory-raping who, who is doing the blackmail, and how were funds misappropriated to pay them off?

How did a bunch of weirdos with the maturity level of a high schooler manage to get their hands on this much money and prestige?

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 No.14987

File: 0599022eed3902b⋯.png (1.47 MB, 1349x915, 1349:915, Screenshot_2022_02_06_20_0….png)

Well, this is a hell of a lot creepier in context, eh?

(From what I can gather, "Eli" used to be the "Liz" who was involved in some way while underage with "Louie". Also, Eli's spouse "Jonathan Morningstar" appears to be either doing casual drag or trans as of public Facebook pictures from 2021, but not as of 2020.)

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File: a19b6a85536bb90⋯.jpg (43.09 KB, 325x325, 1:1, avatar.jpg)

 No.12761 [Open thread][Last 50 Posts]

What does /ratanon/ think about /ourguy/ Zero?

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 No.14872

ITT: stereotypical EA AGP programmer t-girls from the room drawn in that mspaint meme resent a real male intellectual of our time.

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 No.14873

>>14781

Lifting lowers resting heart rate and blood pressure, which are correlated with anxiety episodes.

>Scott. on the other hand, has known very well he's walking on a minefield for a while now, and has been working to minimize his exposure to this type of issues for years now.

This really compromised his intellectual integrity by the end of his career.

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 No.14884

>>14872

if you are a t-girl or any other non-straight person 0hpl is an enemy. even to non-straight nrxers he can only be a situational ally. a quasi-christian like him will sooner or later want to impose his values on your patch.

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 No.14888

>>14873

As a matter of fact, I think Scott's career is not over.

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 No.14984

>>14888

You've presented me a gish gallop of claims which are so anti-true that I am losing sleep over them. I have never experienced rage this intense in my entire life; I can actually feel slight nausea. I find myself wondering how you can even conjure up so many evil, slimy, bold-facedly inaccurate things to say. If you were as well-read in Eliezer's writings as would be required for you to be justified in having made any blanket evaluations of LW rationality, there's no way you would have conveyed your disagreement exactly like this, and I am lead to believe you are intentionally creating hostility for some reason, despite actually being oblivious to Eliezer's beliefs and the practices of the LW community.

And I still want to reconcile with you, calmly and peacefully, because I expect that my gut is probably deceiving me about your intentions. There are so many causes for people saying wrong things, and usually the cause is not bad intent.

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File: 8f6f4b94d1876eb⋯.png (210.31 KB, 1024x1024, 1:1, rose.png)

 No.14981 [Open thread]

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 No.14983

File: a2663de44b679d0⋯.jpg (63.85 KB, 478x481, 478:481, smug.jpg)

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File: 33fafc4f391bc79⋯.png (88.44 KB, 740x584, 185:146, unknown.png)

 No.14964 [Open thread]

What are your singularity timelines /ratanon/? Do you think we'll all get optimized by the end of this decade?

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 No.14974

What is that screencap from?

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 No.14975

https://www.unz.com/akarlin/short-history-of-3rd-millennium/

>(1) (a) Direct Technosingularity - 25%, if Kurzweil/MIRI/DeepMind are correct, with a probability peak around 2045, and most likely to be implemented via neural networks (Lin & Tegmark, 2016).

>(2) The Age of Em - <1%, since we cannot obtain functional models even of 40 year old microchips from scanning them, to say nothing of biological organisms (Jonas & Kording, 2016)

>(3) (a) Biosingularity to Technosingularity - 50%, since the genomics revolution is just getting started and governments are unlikely to either want to, let alone be successful at, rigorously suppressing it. And if AGI is harder than the optimists say, and will take considerably longer than mid-century to develop, then it's a safe bet that IQ-augmented humans will come to play a critical role in eventually developing it. I would put the probability peak for a technosingularity from a biosingularity at around 2100.

>(3) (b) Direct Biosingularity - 5%, if we decide that proceeding with AGI is too risky, or that consciousness both has cardinal inherent value and is only possible with a biological substrate.

>(4) Eschaton - 10%, of which: (a) Philosophical existential risks - 5%; (b) Malevolent AGI - 1%; (c) Other existential risks, primarily technological ones: 4%.

>(5) The Age of Malthusian Industrialism - 10%, with about even odds on whether we manage to launch the technosingularity the second time round.

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File: 3a9d7487569142c⋯.jpg (266.13 KB, 1024x768, 4:3, 1562546008285.jpg)

 No.14510 [Open thread]

Post memes and other unusually interesting images. This thread is designated LOW_EFFORT: optimize for quantity over quality.

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 No.14965

File: 84803f784c55cf3⋯.jpg (246.82 KB, 900x578, 450:289, mind_uploading_cartoon.jpg)

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 No.14966

File: a0800c9c694e38b⋯.jpg (68.46 KB, 512x512, 1:1, visuallyconfusing.jpg)

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 No.14968

File: 9803122d1259d56⋯.jpg (527.56 KB, 1545x869, 1545:869, metacognator.jpg)

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 No.14969

File: 8929f617542a0a1⋯.png (273.03 KB, 2600x1200, 13:6, virgin_evolution_chad_bolt….png)

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 No.14973

File: 62366c6cd555c9c⋯.png (164.87 KB, 627x558, 209:186, HBD_denialism.png)

File: 5d06f0378f36e52⋯.jpeg (84.46 KB, 1024x590, 512:295, contrarianism_metacontrar….jpeg)

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 No.14954 [Open thread]

Woke journalists and activists openly target the rationalist community, and hijack EA with an official blessing from many prominent representatives of the movement. It goes way beyond being welcoming to leftist or socially progressive perspectives (they already dominate), the movement is being dismantled by the intersectional cult and power plays. I genuinely worry about all the important causes and the future of humanity… I don't want them to be ruined by bad people and a nonsensical, divisive, self-contradictory narrative.

Any important information or leaks/rumors I should be aware of?

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 No.14958

>>14957

I'm not a fan of anarcho-primitivist or far-right alternatives, but this specific description quite accurately describes the activist ethos.

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 No.14959

File: 02444518879f7e1⋯.jpeg (87.47 KB, 720x400, 9:5, MIRI.jpeg)

What EA organizations are being targeted the most? Are any of the AI organizations like MIRI pozzed yet?

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 No.14960

>>14959

Animal welfare and climate change have been largely compromised for many years, which is sad given the importance of the field. Community building started well, but now is full of patronizing curators and activist types (think BLM or Extinction Rebellion).

Woke proselytizers obviously go after all cause areas, but causes requiring stronger skills are more immune to hijacking - though not entirely resilient, see: https://equitablemath.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/2020/11/1_STRIDE1.pdf

I worry about all the noble EAs and the movement's fate. :(

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 No.14961

File: c2376274c5d5e42⋯.jpg (65.5 KB, 640x641, 640:641, moral_circle_expansion.jpg)

>>14960

What about moral circle expansion? I could see it potentially being hijacked by the SJW left in the sense of "White men need to expand their moral circle to care more about POC, instead of caring about other white people", or something like that.

Also relevant:

https://staffanspersonalityblog.wordpress.com/2014/09/02/the-myth-of-the-expanding-circle-or-you-cant-learn-how-to-be-an-english-vegetarian/

https://forum.effectivealtruism.org/posts/BY8gXSpGijypbGitT/why-i-prioritize-moral-circle-expansion-over-artificial

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 No.14962

>>14961

Guess what? Some of them already started ruining the beautiful concept of universal compassion by framing it as a "step forward from caring only about these evil straight white men" (despite the fact that men have a lower ingroup bias than women, whites have the lowest ingroup bias of all ethnic groups, and liberal whites are the only ethnic group with a negative ingroup bias!): https://nowthisnews.com/videos/politics/the-end-of-animal-farming-argues-against-factory-farming

Regarding "EA was founded by white men, because they're privileged and build on the oppression of other groups": https://8kun.top/ratanon/res/14806.html#q14867

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File: 520ce7e0fc4dd9b⋯.jpg (23.81 KB, 517x517, 1:1, 1AIoprs.jpg)

 No.13724 [Open thread]

Okay, which one of you fuckers did this?

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 No.14172

>>13725

If you fail to make a pinned thread containing a "Don't post dox" rule, you have no basis to complain when people post dox.

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 No.14176

>>14172

I don't expect it to be common, and I'm wary of doing something as hands-on as making a sticky that wasn't there before I took over. I'll reconsider if something like this happens again. I didn't consider the possibility of someone posting dox before it happened.

I wouldn't ban someone for not knowing about illegible rules, of course.

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 No.14936

>>13725

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 No.14938

>>14936

The year is 2121. An upload goes to the town square of its mainframe and stops in the middle. Its hands are shaking with excitement. Its tentacles oscillate gently. Its feathers cycle through the entire visible spectrum every few subjective seconds. It open its mouth and says, "nigger".

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 No.14951

File: d4ea0bc5c57eb95⋯.png (607.04 KB, 734x915, 734:915, nyt.png)

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File: c0cb92473962093⋯.png (276.88 KB, 600x1850, 12:37, woke.png)

 No.14806 [Open thread]

What happened to the Effective Altruism movement?

When did it abandon its evidence-based, cause-neutral perspective in favor of alienating talented people with original ideas and replacing them with deceptive progressive activists?

Who is to blame, and why did rationalists let the bad actors win?

- https://www.centreforeffectivealtruism.org/blog/ceas-work-on-diversity-equity-and-belonging/ (in the meantime, local group organizers, volunteers and interns are often neglected and treated as cheap labor)

- https://www.reddit.com/r/RightWingEA/comments/ef6r2i/effectivealtruismorgs_animal_welfare_fund_donated/

- https://www.wanbam.com/

- Future Perfect, the one and only big media column for EA, is hosted by Vox known for its bias

- 80,000 Hours is said to once spent 10% of their annual budget on a diversity hire

- https://www.facebook.com/givedirectly/posts/starting-this-week-well-be-sending-1k-each-to-people-on-snap-who-have-been-hit-h/2843736112387958/ (US single moms before poor Indians and Brazilians, so much for the global responsibility)

- countless diversity groups, including the ones explicitly dedicated to "non-white" and "non-male" people

What are your most "woke" experiences with EA? Can it be still saved?

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 No.14869

File: 14efd61ca5275b5⋯.jpg (43.39 KB, 333x500, 333:500, The_Muhammad_Code.jpg)

>>14867

>implying stamping out Islam is a bad thing

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 No.14870

>>14867

>start doing something effective about the Rohingya and Uyghur genocides

How tractable is that? What would it look like?

>>14869

How bad is Uyghur Islam compared to Socialism with Chinese characteristics?

How bad is it to begin with?

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 No.14942

File: 69db93d4b8b481f⋯.png (70.78 KB, 1000x600, 5:3, US_vs_Xinjiang.png)

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 No.14946

>>14942

one of these charts includes forced sterilisation in reeducation camps as a result of injections that were deceptively presented and compulsory

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 No.14950

File: 48649a0b86bfd48⋯.jpg (19.8 KB, 247x372, 247:372, Better_Never_to_Have_Been.jpg)

>>14946

>forced sterilization is bad

Why?

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File: 1bce7935afe65b1⋯.jpg (188.45 KB, 1920x945, 128:63, oxybwcw8lki31.jpg)

 No.14796 [Open thread]

How do rationalists dress?

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 No.14927

>>14926

if only! but it would take more than genetic engineering to update existing males.

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 No.14928

File: 10dfda883dfa406⋯.png (166.51 KB, 350x339, 350:339, rsz_tcb_961.png)

Did someone say The Conversion Bureau?

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 No.14932

File: 81f501817e45c67⋯.png (82.52 KB, 250x250, 1:1, fiocaelumestcontsm.png)

>>14928

The Conversion Bureau is so 2011. Try Friendship is Optimal.

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>>14932

>>14928

do any of these involve boy humans becoming girl ponies?

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