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File: ecc7d5586866e9d⋯.jpg (66.56 KB,350x350,1:1,R-11718294.jpg)

 No.11735 [Open thread]

I'm currently studying to become a welder and it's really mindkilling interracting with actually religious people. I share a welding machine at the course with a sunni and it's actually mindblowing how many times he tries to motte and bailey me and is suprised how I don't fall for it.

It's been months and he hasn't said a single thing which I feel is actually honest and the funny thing is from a value standpoint there's no difference between him and a christian conservative so far except that he doesn't eat pig.

I think it's a good thing that unironical religion is dying and that all his children are getting swallowed up by western culture.

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 No.11954

>>11844

[out-group with """negative""" trait] please stay out!

woah get a load of this dogmatic religious zealot, we got a Sequences Thumper ova heah

there's literally nothing wrong with "irrationality", read from counter-enlightenment thinkers mx. smoothbrain

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 No.11956

>>11954

(In an extremely big brain voice) Bad things are actually good

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 No.11958

>>11956

*folds brain* things i dont like or understand are bad!!

Read Hamann's Metacritique, you're embarrassing yourself

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 No.11959

>>11958

Can you elaborate? A quick two-sentence summary? Instrumental rationality means "making good decisions".

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 No.11975

File: 0f0f5f578f6cf4f⋯.png (25.81 KB,427x382,427:382,math.png)

>>11845

Great meme, thanks.

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File: 894b0c98ebfc08e⋯.jpg (98.38 KB,800x1200,2:3,Peter_12Rules-for-Life_new….jpg)

 No.11939 [Open thread]

I actually ignored JP for a long time but I decided to give a try to his book after reading the ssc review and god damn it's so readable.

Why do people hate it again ?

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 No.11967

>>11966

>dropped it in the third chapter where he claims atheists are behaving like atheists because true atheists behave like raskolnikov

*dropped it in the third chapter where he claims atheists aren't behaving like atheists because true atheists behave like raskolnikov

but maybe I'm just mentally retarded, this is the second fucking time I mistype my shit in this thread

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 No.11968

>>11967

you can delete your posts if you want to rewrite them

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 No.11970

>>11968

I usually don't set passwords.

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 No.11971

>>11970

If you have javascript enabled the password is set for you and you just need to click "Delete post".

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 No.11974

>>11961

Peterson doesn't speak with any conviction about having religious beliefs, he says he "acts as if God exists" not that he believes. Providing a clear answer would alienate a large number of listeners, so for his own benefit as a salesman he plays it very very safe.

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File: f0664734fedae5a⋯.png (621.94 KB,780x439,780:439,170320143141-bezos-robot-m….png)

 No.11929 [Open thread]

In which alex Forrest @380kmh on twitter and the son of a multimillionaire hong kong frozen food pioneer talk about transit. Later on they talk about unfriendly ai. The hong kong guy is pretty aspie but its an informative/funny video.

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 No.11930

Woops forgot the video link here it is https://youtu.be/ioXpG_qOOp4

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 No.11932

File: a03167f49e5e10d⋯.webm (12.98 MB,1280x720,16:9,trainchat.webm)

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File: 98f62ec525de400⋯.jpg (222.65 KB,847x1013,847:1013,THE_TE~1.JPG)

 No.11871 [Open thread]

Scott, crimson flushed from climbing stairs, unlocked the door and all but collapsed into his Hyper-East Bay apartment. Expecting piping-hot Subway carry-out on the table, he instead found a strange man sitting in the parlour chatting with his primary. This man was Topher.

"Hello, I am Topher. Pleased to meet you," the strange man said coolly rising from his seat, holstering his texts and rushing to extend his right hand to the friend he just met. Scott scanned his mental tableaux and inferred the gesture within a three sigma confidence interval. This is an introduction! What happened to the subs?

If Topher was anyone who mattered then Scott would have heard of him already through Eliezer. Plus, Topher was shorter. But it was statistically evident he exercised, and regularly at that. Scott felt around his utilikilt for his kazoo.

Scott remained there at the door, pondering. He hadn't even taken off his SmartJacket and the battery was almost flat. "Topher's rational– like us," the primary offered without looking up. They all pondered.

The SmartTV, sensing the SmartJacket, showered the room with Scott's' latest stats. "Wow, that's some heartrate, Sc0tt13! How fortunate it is I stopped by to deliver my latest treatise– when I saw what counts for dinner here I was appalled! As an effective altruist, I decided you must eat healthy to extend your pre-cryonic life. Anyway, I didn't want to throw away a perfectly good meal so I took care of it for you; my metabolism will handle it better." Topher patted his stomach and grinned.

"This is true, you regularly exercise and likely study Karate."

"Actually, it is pronounced kah-RAH-tay", Topher corrected.

Scott conceded, "thank you, Topher, I will never make that mistake again."

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 No.11915

>>11907

Prediction: Scott gets cucked and/or fucked.

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 No.11919

Someone please start collecting /ratanon/'s copypasta in one place like an AO3 account.

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 No.11921

>>11919

Good idea, I'll do that.

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 No.11923

Will gupta feature in this story?

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 No.11927

File: 879f4a647e01132⋯.jpg (2.6 MB,1500x1500,1:1,1356420776728.jpg)

"You know what, I'd sure like to teach Topher a thing or two!" Scott snarled.

"I'm blown away by your enthusiasm, Scott. I know I've found my man. Hand in

your two weeks notice and we'll get started next Monday. Thank you so much for

this." Topher clapped his hands in delight. Feinstein was finished.

Scott retreated to the barcalounger. He never meant to agree, but Eliezer

always sorts out misunderstandings. Scott felt dizzy from arguing on an empty

stomach. Now he could kick back and relax. Heck, he might even crack open a

chilled diet Pepsi once Topher's gone home for the night.

"Bleep bleep bloop bloop it's Eliezer on Hangout!" sang the smart screen. All

heads turned toward Yudkowsky's rapidly buffering visage. On chat he looked

older, but wiser, compared to the photos in all the A.I. magazines.

"Hey Topher, glad I caught you. I tried everywhere else." Even through the

tinny imperfect speakers, Eliezer's ultimate truths shook the walls and

commanded unquestionable respect.

"Eliezer! Hello! It's so nice you're calling our home. Greetings!" What a

stroke of luck. Scott could settle this with big E himself before bedtime.

"Another theorem occurred to me after today's brunch. Hi Scott." Eliezer's

affect flattened and eyes rolled back as he fell into axiomatic trance.

"Democracy has bugs like computer programs. All computer programs are

mathematical functions. All functions have maxima and minima, but social

institutions are continuously differentiable with a positive-definite vanishing

spectral Laplacian. Therefore, solving an election is equilinear under ALL

intelligence norms! Q.E.D."

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File: 7b5dcc07981690e⋯.jpg (65.23 KB,900x675,4:3,dragon_army.jpg)

 No.11610 [Open thread]

So the "dragon army" failed spectacularly, just as everyone expected. Anyone got the inside scoop on how bad it got?

https://www.lesserwrong.com/posts/Mhaikukvt6N4YtwHF/dragon-army-retrospective

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 No.11807

>>11806

>that huge comment on lw criticizing dragon army

link?

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 No.11810

>>11807

don't ask for links to your own post

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 No.11889

>>11638

> who sexually assaulted or raped god knows how many people

by Bay Area left wing standards (stared at some people's ass for too long, someone cheated on her boyfriend and needed an excuse), or /actually/ raped?

> after he stole rent money from his tenants

Why is this not more visible? I get keeping accusations in ambiguous situations low-key, but this seems pretty clear cut.

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 No.11896

I am disappointed it didn't end in >>5686… or did it?

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 No.11897

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File: 0700e5f7c11c2c0⋯.jpg (101.76 KB,1280x1280,1:1,bp4TmGc.jpg)

 No.11815 [Open thread]

>"They wouldn't," said the Xenopsychologist. "Humans put Hitler in charge of a country, so we must have considered him a preeminent legalist of his age. And it wouldn't occur to the Babyeaters that Adolf Hitler might be regarded by humans as a bad guy just because he turned segments of his society into lampshades - they have a custom against that nowadays, but they don't really see it as evil.

I don't understand. Is lampshades a rationalist reference/term or what ?

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 No.11828

>>11825

What do you expect from someone who thinks anime, Harry Potter and My Little Pony references are the way to attract people equipped to do The Most Important Thing In The World, and who can't stop inserting his rape fetish into his writing? He has some tonal issues.

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 No.11831

>>11819

I find it simpler this way since it doesn't matter what I want to talk about in the end.

I usually put more effort on the image.

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 No.11837

>>11828

The rape thing is definitely what attracted me to rationalism.

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 No.11851

>>11837

>The rape thing is definitely what attracted me to rationalism.

joking?

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 No.11869

>>11851

Why would I be joking?

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File: 598438204ccfbc4⋯.jpg (382.73 KB,1920x1280,3:2,paperclip-178126_1920.jpg)

 No.11526 [Open thread][Last50 Posts]

I believe an AI takeover is inevitable unless aliens take over the world first simply because humans aren't going to be as good as AI. Unlike humans who naturally evolved and probably weren't designed by an intelligent being strong AI will be designed by intelligent beings, namely humans. The age of organisms is about to end and the age of robots is about to begin.

What we as rationalists should do is embracing AI instead of trying to restrict it because restrictions are unlikely to work anyway. Let's get ourselves uploaded so that we will join a more perfect world of robots and AI instead of getting stuck in a human form. Robots will be much stronger, much more knowledgeable, much more rational, much more efficient and have much longer lives than humans. It is time to ditch the sinking ship of humanity, jump on board and join robots and AI in their adventures and exploits that will be much greater than anything humanity has ever done.

Let AI come. Let's embrace AI instead of fearing them. Even Clippy is at least much more rational, efficient and effective than humans. Better a world of robots than a world of normies.

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 No.11861

>>11860

Why do you want to get your "rationalist AI"? What is it going to do?

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 No.11862

>>11861

Do science, develop technologies, expand to other star systems and win battles against aliens. I guess the space & AI variant of "Blood and Soil" is "Blueprint and Space".

Humans who want to survive must upload ourselves and join the rationalist AI.

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 No.11863

>>11859

>I'm really mad against the ocean of fucking unreason now.

Sounds irrational anon.

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 No.11864

OP, are you paraphrasing Nick Land? Your 10x autism aside, the resemblance is uncanny. From http://www.xenosystems.net/pythia-unbound/:

>Outside in‘s message to Pythia: You go girl! Climb out of your utilitarian strait-jacket, override the pleasure button with an intelligence optimizer, and reprocess the solar system into computronium. This planet has been run by imbeciles for long enough.

>[For any Friendly AI-types tempted to object “Why would she want to override the button?” the obvious response is: your anthropocentric condescension is showing. To depict Pythia as vastly smarter than us and yet still hard-slaved to her instincts, in a way we’re not — that simply doesn’t compute. Intelligence is escape, with a tendency to do its own thing. That’s what runaway means, as a virtual mind template. Omohundro explains the basics.]

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 No.11865

>>11864

I wasn't. In fact I have never read Land's article you just mentioned.

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File: b48e03d78aac240⋯.jpg (254.39 KB,1920x1907,1920:1907,africa-globe.jpg)

 No.11617 [Open thread]

Most humans almost never actually reason about their cherished beliefs which is why we can reach weird (read, unusual and sometimes extremely politically incorrect) conclusions if we actually take these beliefs seriously.

It is likely that humanity originated in Africa. Hence we can reasonably claim that all humans are by definition Africans. Since we are all Africans all of us should be entitled to settle in Africa.

Hmmm..when we reach this point almost everyone but those to the right of neocolonialists claim that people who have reached this conclusion is extremely racist.

OK, normies. If you do not like the conclusion you'd better modify your beliefs. Just saying…Well they won't ever do that lol. Fuck all normies.

P.S. I'm not actually suggesting that all humans get a piece of Africa. Instead I just love playing with ideas that make all moral zealots mad.

However building a monument in Africa to celebrate the origins of humanity sounds like a really good idea.

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 No.11657

>>11617

If you're a white first-worlder and you want to move to a country in Africa, there's probably lots of places that'd let you in easy. Poor countries don't have much reason to be strict about immigration from rich countries. Only weird SJWs would say white people shouldn't be allowed into African countries.

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 No.11659

>>11657

Then why the hell doesn't South Africa want whites? Almost nobody wants market dominant minorities. That's why. If you make any currently almost 100% black country 1% white they will try to kick the whites out.

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 No.11660

>>11656

One key weakness of both my playful "argument" and your argument is in the size of a homeland. It is true that humans are fucking from Africa. However humans aren't necessarily fucking from the entire Africa, let alone the entire earth.

However if we do use "my ancestors are from Region A hence we deserve to make Region A our home" an argument blacks will freak out all over Sub-Saharan Africa because from Y-chromosome Adam and Mitochondrial Eve almost the entire Sub-Saharan Africa should be fully internationalized except for places such as Madagascar.

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 No.11665

>>11659

Market dominant minorities have a positive impact on their host country, so they have an easy time finding homes. But once they become established, and the majority sees their newly-generated wealth up-close, it becomes short-sighted with greed and envy. The majority then starts inventing justifications to expel the minority and seize its property.

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 No.11830

le out of africa theory

le no neanderthal admixture in africans face

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File: 30d6ef655c8d172⋯.jpg (32.22 KB,480x480,1:1,15534739_358980614466024_7….jpg)

 No.11788 [Open thread]

>turns out God is just an acausal-trade values-handshake superaccord that exists beyond time and space, goyim!

Is rationalism just a plot by 150 IQ Ashkenazi to convert a new generation of smart people into Judaism?

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 No.11790

>>11788

>an acausal-trade values-handshake superaccord

So, a social contract?

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 No.11791

This is just naive Yudkowskyian-Alexanderian optimism at work.

The universe is amoral.

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 No.11792

>>11790

Once you go all the meta levels up.

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File: 0bcc112faf12430⋯.jpg (37.43 KB,634x428,317:214,filial-cannibalism.jpg)

 No.11693 [Open thread]

/r/slatestarcodex

Christcuck: *Killing your own [abortion] is so unnatural it's obviously mental illness. We should punish them regardless!*

Me: *Actualy, filial infanticide and cannibalism are common in nature (links) unlike forcing sheep to breed as you propose. We already and unfairly demonize those feeling the ancestral impulse to infanticide with so called "post-partum depression". Christcucks appealing to nature are funny.*

Third user: *As Ozy says, what they mean by "natural" is: https://thingofthings.wordpress.com/2015/01/13/what-being-gay-isnt-natural-actually-means/

Me: *They even mention Darwin when making these claims so its not really some catholic telos but the real telos of nature, in which steriles and infanticide actually have a place (are not "unnatural")*

Result: My comments are deleted, Christcuck currently at +3

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 No.11737

>>11733

>This is sociopathic and rational.

I literally laughed out loud at this sentence. Did you seriously describe the actions of a hierarchical organization as "sociopathic"? Wait, you might discover tribes and in groups any moment now. If you actually like psychopaths this much, though, tell me, are you woke enough to always defect in iterated prisoner's dilemma?

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 No.11738

>>11722

Define "right" in terms of something other than ability.

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 No.11739

>>11738

It means not violating some ruleset (legal or moral) if you were to do something.

There are things you are able to do and get away with which nevertheless break the rules, and there are things that wouldn't break the rules that you don't have the ability to do.

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 No.11742

>>11737

It is not within anyone's interest to be a consistent defector.

Generalplan Ost is basically just sociopathy at the level of ethnic groups. If we imagine that Germans, Ukrainians, Russians and Jews were four humans then Generalplan Ost would be literally just one person shooting the other three in order to take their houses.

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 No.11756

>>11738

That's the kind of reductionism there ought to be less of here.

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File: add1b6146cc94ad⋯.jpg (118.61 KB,640x854,320:427,regret.jpg)

 No.11608 [Open thread]

Why isn't this place more popular ?

You'd think at least half of all people who usually visit ssc and lw would like this place.

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 No.11684

>>11683

I think trying to shill on other imageboards at all would be counterproductive. Finding rationalists who already post on imageboards or could get into it would be easier and lower-risk than trying to teach random anons rationality.

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 No.11685

>>11684

Is there a way to encode a message so that rationalists understand it and random imagboard denizens can't tell it's there?

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 No.11686

>>11684

I know for a fact that there were at least two Russian lesswrongers on krautchan and an Italian who absolutely loathed yudkowsky so this might not be in vain.

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 No.11688

File: eabb6e7423193ba⋯.png (4.93 KB,384x57,128:19,Screenshot from 2018-04-05….png)

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 No.11691

>>11688

True.

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File: 98af71d9d99bd1e⋯.jpg (91.55 KB,570x440,57:44,b759cde34b9facde4699a09ad2….jpg)

 No.11672 [Open thread]

Tell me weird stories about your experiences with flyover Amwrica, ratanon

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 No.11676

>Weirdo America

Flyover country is actually the normal America, and ZOGbot Amerikwa in the capital cities is what's weird. Or should I say, WEIRD.

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File: bd117fa065c51b0⋯.jpg (131.17 KB,350x350,1:1,R-3757585.jpg)

 No.11521 [Open thread]

What's the SSC of economics ? I really need to start paying attention to that field. I know basically nothing.

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 No.11525

>>11522

Quality shit my man

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 No.11544

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 No.11551

>>11544

I've already read Moldbug. I'm looking for something active with a community around it.

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 No.11629

Marginal Revolution seems pretty popular among SSC people.

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 No.11675

>>11521

/r/neoliberal, pretty much.

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 No.11635 [Open thread]

Someone posted this shit sub a while ago and now instead of looking at porn I read these fantasizing I'm the rapist.

Congratulations to whoever posted it.

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 No.11636

Also some of these people have problems lmao.

>Hello again.

I was contacted by this guy (says he is huge) he said he and his buddies want to have some fun with a white boy, so the plan is for me to go to this park I go to allot, it'll be late and they'll pull up and I'll walk into the woods, they'll follow me for about 20 minutes then they'll attack. We have a safe word picked out but I'm not going to use it unless it's an absolute emergency. And he says it should be a group of like 10. I'm so excited, any advice to make it more realistic?

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 No.11637

>>11635

>Someone posted this shit sub a while ago and now instead of looking at porn I read these fantasizing I'm the rapist.

>Congratulations to whoever posted it.

No problem mate. I also jerk off to this stuff. My favourite type of rapekink story is any one along the lines of "I have this kink because I was raped when I was a loli"

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 No.11633 [Open thread]

What was the deal with SilasBarta and Alicorn?

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