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File: 1d9e287b6d5e18e⋯.png (27.58 KB,488x612,122:153,maps_of_meaning_cover.png)

 No.11369 [Open thread]

I recently saw that retarded interview with memerson and lo and behold he has written a book. Has anyone here read it ? Any rat specific discussion online about it ?

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 No.11378

>>11370

>implying this isn't true of all rationalists

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 No.11379

File: 8e633c44d8d05d0⋯.jpg (46.86 KB,313x500,313:500,chuck tingle tier.jpg)

>>11371

>cucked by the literal march of time

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 No.11380

>>11377

The insights are all trivial, he only comes across as exceptional because of low standards.

Breaking down Chesterton's fences is a hilarious rationalist "pathology" that sometimes pay off, most people understand and follow the principles.

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 No.11383

>>11380

>Breaking down Chesterton's fences is a hilarious rationalist "pathology" that sometimes pay off, most people understand and follow the principles.

What, exactly, are you trying to say here?

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 No.11384

>>11383

That it's not impressive to see someone respecting chesterton's fences, the one eyed-man is king etc.

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File: 37b4e98f7f0442b⋯.png (6.53 KB,572x254,286:127,BIU.png)

 No.5680 [Open thread]

I've seen conflicting FAQs aout 8chan text formatting. So here's a test:

*single asterisks*

double asterisks

_single underscores_

double underscores

`single backticks`

``double backticks``

BBcode-style spoiler tags

# hash prefix

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 No.11289

>>5683

>>11224

Please explain the analogy.

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 No.11366

The minecraft thing is not an analogy.

It is 100% true.

Hence why Factorio is the nerd drug^Wgame of choice, aka "build infrastructure for the purpose of feeding a massive factory dedicated to the task of producing more infrastructure."

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 No.11367

>>11366

>he actually filled out the name field.

You must be new here. Welcome, newfriend.

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 No.11368

>there are people on /ratanon/ RIGHT NOW who don't yet know all of this subcommunity's shibboleths caused by outdated design choices

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 No.11382

>>5683

>>11366

>build infrastructure for the purpose of feeding a massive factory dedicated to the task of producing more infrastructure

This is how I have been my whole life. It does betray a certain lack of creativity, no? Creative people, the sort of people who actually make content, seem to err on the side of producing too little infrastructure. I think they prefer using footpaths to building roads.

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 No.5421 [Open thread][Last50 Posts]

The last owner nuked the board, so I claimed it.

I scraped as much as I could from archive.org and I'm going to try to restore it soon. Here's a sample:

>>>/test/52578

https://web.archive.org/web/20160904000539/http://8ch.net/ratanon/res/13.html

I have 301 threads, 4698 posts, and 937 (out of 1156) files.

I automated everything except the captcha, but it's going to take a while even if everything goes according to plan (it won't).

Post suggestions, complaints, etcetera

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 No.11275

>>11274

Who's the "girl"friend on reddit and where's the secret discord?

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 No.11276

>>11274

>secret discord

Meaning not the one linked in the SSC sidebar?

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 No.11278

>>11274

> who used them to get u/PM_ME_UR_OBSIDIAN evicted from his group house

lmao, these fucking people

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 No.11280

>>11274

>u/PM_ME_UR_OBSIDIAN has been having a semi-public spat with his ex girl(male)friend for the last few months.

Not doing this is, like, drama prevention 101. Accusations of heresy transphobia are also to be expected if your ex is trans. What was this somewhat prominent rationalist thinking?

>transmen in general

Oh, so his ex-girl( male)friend is a boy (female)? Rare!

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 No.11381

>>11276

There are a few discords not linked in the SSC sidebar, none of them are particularly secret?

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 No.10609 [Open thread]

What's the most ethical thing I can do with my life as someone who has bipolar disorder? Should I reproduce? I attempted suicide when I was younger. I'm struggling in university (4th year at 25). I have an IQ of 127. 90% of marriages that have a bipolar person in them end in divorce. I'm basically broke, and living off my wealthy parents. I'm going to have to go take the job I had as a teenager to finish paying for school. I am totally humiliated and at rock bottom.

Christians would just say to persevere no matter what, and just do the conventional thing of raising a family, but I'm not so sure.

What's the rational course of action? Feel free to ask more questions. I'm in the top 1% of family wealth globally, but I feel like a loser.

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 No.10622

File: d349179a4dbe89d⋯.jpg (58.69 KB,960x720,4:3,Phytoestrogens Isoflavones….jpg)

File: d8d6d5754c341dd⋯.jpg (205.46 KB,447x572,447:572,phytestrogen-11.jpg)

>>10619

isoflavones, found in legumes - soy, clover, peanuts, beans etc. Causes fertility problems in sheep, might be of concern for humans too, the research is inconclusive.

Soy is absolutely packed with the stuff but green beans are so low it's a non-issue.

>>10620

I'm saying low carb diets are typically expensive with all the eggs, meat, cheese and oil involved. You could afford that for two months of dieting, so why can't you fit in a few dollars of cheap vegetables to keep yourself regular? If your parents were footing the bill ask them for some green stuff.

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 No.10626

>>10622

Yeah I bought some spinach today. It's the lowest carb vegetable.

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 No.10632

>>10617

They taste like fucking shit though

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 No.11329

nuke a country lol

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 No.11365

Read over this list https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_people_with_bipolar_disorder Figure out what people with bipolar can be good at. Compute the intersection of those activities and activities that have positive EA impact. Profit. Seems like bipolars are good at creativity? Try to generate new ideas related to EA or friendly AI or some topic that interests you during next manic period.

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 No.11290 [Open thread]

That perdiferous traitor pretends to be on the right but never does anything other than spread despair and defeatism among its ranks.

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 No.11292

>>11290

I like south park dude.

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 No.11293

On the topic of SSC commenters. I would be very amused to see comments written by the hypothetical baby of Deiseach and John Sidles

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 No.11294

>>11293

Write an example comment, please.

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 No.11299

>>11294

Sorry, but I don't have the verbal IQ to execute that.

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 No.11358

File: febcbc2d734ea45⋯.jpg (137.6 KB,850x1202,425:601,febcbc2d734ea45210b66988ce….jpg)

>>11290

>perdiferous

Do you mean perfidious?

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 No.10408 [Open thread]

I think we need to have an objective, rational discussion on race and IQ.

1.What are the genotypical and phenotypical IQ of Ashkenazi Jews, Nordic people (including Germans), Slavs, Romance-speaking Europeans and Northeast Asians?

2.What is the true genotypical IQ of different groups of blacks (Bantus, Nilotic people, Khoisans, Pygmies, etc)? Note that we must take malnutrition and other factors into account. I'm asking about the genotypical IQ, not the phenotypical one.

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 No.10741

>>10419

Is there a version of this chart that goes up to the present?

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 No.11330

>>10603

uhh theres no such thing as good or bad kid, learn2rationalism

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 No.11331

File: 69adb2d405a7026⋯.jpg (1.07 MB,3001x2250,3001:2250,costpergenome_2017.jpg)

>>10741

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 No.11333

>>11331

Ok, what happened in 2016 to cause the price spike? The big Genome Bubble, where everyone went into a sequencing craze hoping that they would become collectors items' that could be sold with a profit in the future?

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 No.11348

>>11333

Didn't 23andme get fucked over by the FDA around that time?

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 No.11334 [Open thread]

I'm starting to wonder is this is what peak modern rationality looks like.

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 No.11338

> I call it the Madman Theory, Bob. I want the North Vietnamese to believe I've reached the point where I might do anything to stop the war. We'll just slip the word to them that, "for God's sake, you know Nixon is obsessed about communism. We can't restrain him when he's angry—and he has his hand on the nuclear button" and Ho Chi Minh himself will be in Paris in two days begging for peace.

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 No.11339

>>11338

Narrator voice: They didn't.

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 No.11340

File: 50fce02f78aa3c1⋯.jpg (320.77 KB,1114x1600,557:800,BRVabPj.jpg)

>>11334

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 No.11341

>>11335

Is anyone of any note a serious negative utilitarian? I mean with no easy "buts" like "extinction should be voluntary".

>>11336

Could there be The Dictator's Handbook-type resource limits because of which Kim Jong Un can't improve his peasants' conditions? Even if you insist on a command economy and are very poor, you can do better planning than North Korea. Either Un simply DGAF, or he GAF to some extent but there isn't enough money to keep his generals satisfied AND bootstrap the economy.

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 No.11346

>>11341

North Korea is best understood not as a Communist state but as traditional East Asian authoritarianism on steroids.

The point here is that Kim doesn't give a shit about his subjects at all. Instead he only cares about himself and probably some family members. He won't give a shit even if 90% of the population die.

Ridiculously brutal and effective governments that regularly culls low-IQ population through starvation, wars and war crimes is why East Asians evolved European-level IQ and are highly diligent, cunning, materialist and cold while other Mongoloids generally have 80-90 average IQ. These are the traits required to survive in North Korea and similar authoritarian regimes. If you are not smart, do not work hard enough, are too autistic, care too much about things other than wealth and status or care about justice you are just less likely to survive and reproduce and nobody outside your own family will ever give a shit about you. I mean who would miss a dead person when during major wars about 50%-90% of all the inhabitants die?

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File: 40f06b44aea8d36⋯.jpg (511.86 KB,1920x1080,16:9,marshmallowtest.jpg)

 No.10189 [Open thread]

I cannot conceive of a way to increase human welfare after capitalism has done the work of lifting the world out of poverty other than increasing IQ and decreasing time preference of the human species. How we do it doesn't matter. Transhumanism is just a non-biological way of doing this. Personally, I favor IVF embryo selection as describe by Steven Hsu.

We can't just indefinitely increase human consumption and wealth. We live on a finite planet, and there are diminishing returns to wealth and happiness anyway. Hell is not other people. Hell is people who have low IQs, high time preference, or both.

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 No.10195

>>10194

The underclasses don't even have replacement fertility anymore, and they certainly won't on UBI and soy rations.

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 No.10196

> soy rations

Eventually it will probably be tasteless protein from single-celled organisms + air + electricity, plus some cheap flavouring: http://www.independent.co.uk/news/science/world-hunger-food-electricity-carbon-dioxide-ingredients-solve-climate-change-scientists-finland-a7869316.html

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 No.10197

>>0

Authoritarianism is negatively correlated with intelligence. If you don't believe me, Google it and check out the studies. Maybe you could argue for a Kuznets curve where the mid-to-high IQ is libertarian, while both low IQs and very high IQs correlate with being authoritarian, but I doubt that matches the evidence.

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 No.10198

>>0

This is a common mistake, but you've got time preference backwards, "high time preference" is the shortsighted one.

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 No.11332

>>10197

extreme political beliefs on either side of the left-right spectrum correlate with high IQ though, that includes extreme authoritarians on either end

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 No.11295 [Open thread]

What's your take on this ?

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 No.11301

File: 048503d4e6b0c59⋯.jpg (68.52 KB,426x640,213:320,f5e1e96b43d9f9c9b0e29499b6….jpg)

>>11295

Absolutely retarded, trees are nice (to look, climb, etc.) and there's more life there beyond pigeons.

Just exterminate them if they're being a problem, it's not that hard. Give BB guns to kids and pay them per bag of dead pigeon or implement some fancy technological solution.

I've been thinking about urban ecology lately and believe it holds a lot potential, we can fill cities with life forcefully evolved to our benefit; garbage cleaning birds, living sewers, bioluminescent flora, peretually clean pools, discrete diagnostician-insects… Flesh is such a wonderful material!

Picture is a mutualist plant that feeds bats and shrew with nectar from that tip, eating their shit in exchange.

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 No.11302

This controversy just shows how lacking in Rationality the normies are.

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 No.11303

>>11302

It really doesn't. Try to stop framing everything that way. It's epistemically unhealthy.

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 No.11306

File: 14d0434f00c9a38⋯.jpg (32.36 KB,360x360,1:1,andrei.jpg)

>>11301

>Flesh is such a wonderful material!

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 No.11328

>>11301

It's in the UK, we hate guns and freedom here, paying kids to shoot pigeons with bb guns is probably all kinds of illegal.

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 No.11142 [Open thread]

Jesus Christ his new book is basically an elaborate response to people who try to put him down.

I'm starting to get sick of the rat community. The cult leaders no longer feel any shame regarding reaping the benefits.

It has become a shitpool of festering MIRI,CFAR,EA ( plus whatever meme organisation is affiliated with it today) pseudomarketing testing ground.

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 No.11323

lel

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 No.11324

>>11323

bad post

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 No.11325

>>11322

I'll have you know us skinnyfat little twinks will immediately die if we try to lift that much.

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 No.11326

>>11325

Yeah, you guys don't count.

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 No.11327

>>11324

good post

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File: b01050268cc8d49⋯.jpg (1.54 MB,2560x1536,5:3,Alexander_the_Great_mosaic.jpg)

 No.11263 [Open thread]

I am going to FUCK Alexander The Great

Need to do some brainstorming with my fellow rationalists.

Current plan:

1. Go on a high-soy diet to get dat trap femboy body.

2. Build a time machine and travel back to 340 B.C

3. Castrate myself so I'm eligible to be a court eunuch.

4. Impress a relevant court with my superior knowledge of physics and mechanical engineering.

5. Seduce Alexander when he shows up with flattery and my boyish charm.

6. Fuck

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 No.11264

>>11263

>3. Castrate myself

>6. Fuck

I think there's a fairly essential flaw here.

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 No.11265

>>11263

Nigger if you have a fuckin' time machine you can just kidnap him in front of his bodyguards with the power of Gun, then keep him in your rape dungeon until you get bored and/or the whole country you're in disappears into a paradox. Why the fuck do you need to chop off your own dick?

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 No.11268

Shit plan. Here's how I would do it.

1. castrate myself + soy diet

2. time machine seems to complicated I'd probably narrow down his current male descendant under with most of his genes and looks(?fucking paintings lmao)

3. turn him into a faggot by exposing him to imageboards

4. make him fuck my boipucci

5. write the sequel to the sequences

6. kill myself at 40 like all mentally ill faggots

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 No.11269

>>11268

>2. time machine seems to complicated I'd probably narrow down his current male descendant under[*] with most of his genes and looks(?fucking paintings lmao)

*under 25

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 No.11277

I am going to CUCK Alexander The Great

1. Fuck the OP

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File: c353341688995c5⋯.jpg (86.72 KB,350x350,1:1,R-11245541.jpg)

 No.11236 [Open thread]

Have you been sexually harassed /rat/ ?

Back when I was in college there was a woman who would just slap my ass whenever she saw me no matter how many people were around and always kissed her hand afterwards and another woman always verbally harassed me saying that I was a "hot pussy" and full-on grabbed my cock through pants in a chemistry class.

>dude ur a pussy you should have smashed etc

I was a depressed mess, nothing like that seemed alright with me and I could not say anything because I thought complaining would make my situation even a more laughing matter in the eyes of other people especially men who were envious of this.

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 No.11249

No. I'm a kissless, hugless, handholdless virgin. (That used to bother me far more than it does now.)

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 No.11260

When I was in high school, riding the city bus home another student sitting behind me started licking my ear.

I guess it was harassment, but I liked it. Also too depressed at the time to do anything about it.

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 No.11266

>>11236

Were they the same age/your coeds or older/in a position of power over you? It would be the deciding factor in how I felt about it if I were in your situation.

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 No.11267

>>11249

Nothing will change along with those. Don't feel down.

>>11266

Different group, same year. She kept repeating that she knows about me something. She dropped out after a year.

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File: 0db538396992247⋯.jpeg (68.07 KB,732x959,732:959,dutch newspaper bitcoin.jpeg)

 No.11242 [Open thread]

Do you hold any cryptos, /ratanon/? Do you speculate?

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 No.11244

A bit of Ethereum, Ripple, Lumens, and some random ERC20 tokens that look interesting. Regretting not getting on the bitcoin train ofc.

Overall only a few % of my total savings.

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 No.11250

>>11242

>Do you hold any cryptos, /ratanon/?

>>11243

>- inferior to monero

This doesn't make sense to me. Are you saying you don't hold any cryptocurrency because one cryptocurrency is inferior to another cryptocurrency?

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 No.11252

>>11250

What's the fucking point of adopting digital currency if it's not government supported and usable everywhere but the gubment can still fuck me over because the shit's traceable.

I'd rather just use cach.

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 No.11253

>>11250

>>11252

Nevermind I'm a fucking retard, I misread cryptos and I thought the initial post was about bitcoins.

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 No.11261

I bought a bitcoin to buy drugs with back at 500$ but I never did. I'm enjoying the ride.

Also snagged a few monero recently, also to buy drugs. Will probably end up not doing it. Hope that ride is fun too.

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 No.10691 [Open thread]

/cuckanon/ systematically blown the fuck out

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 No.11229

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Have a problem understanding how the outgroup thinks about transhumanism? Reading this post may help. It makes me wonder if acceptance of transhumanism hinges on Haidtian sanctity/purity.

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 No.11230

>>11229

>no MUH FUCKING WHITE MALE

Not outgroupy enough.

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 No.11232

>>11230

Those are different outgroups with some overlap.

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 No.11239

>>11232

Nonsense! Everyone knows that The Outgroup is a homogeneous mass of evil.

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 No.11248

>>11239

Exactly—if they weren't evil subhumans, they wouldn't be in my outgroup in the first place.

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 No.11203 [Open thread]

Do you guys believe in UFOs? I looked into them before and just found a bunch of craziness and laughable hoaxes. But this video makes a more convincing case that makes me reconsider:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fb7T1v_VHpE

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 No.11220

>>11218

geniunly made me laugh, thanks

>>11219

>discredit myself

>saves time

did you forget where you are ? What incentives would I have for dishonest discourse ? Have SSC babies flooded in ?

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 No.11221

>>11220

you misunderstand me. I am pathologically gullible, but that just means I believe people are telling the truth generally. it doesn't mean I automatically believe any theory presented to me. I believe you genuinely thought you had those experiences… but those two points indicate that I shouldn't believe that they were anything more than hallucinations or confusions.

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 No.11222

>>11221

Did you read the whole post tho ? Perhaps I should have clarified that substance in my case means alcohol or coffee since I don't smoke and dont take any other drugs.

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 No.11227

>>11222

dude, you don't need to be high to have hallucinations, seeing/hearing shit that ain't there is a widespread failure mode of brains

how do you think religions happened lol

and yeah, people similar enough to be friends in the same place and put in the same circumstances can totally hallucinate the same thing

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 No.11228

>>and yeah, people similar enough to be friends in the same place and put in the same circumstances can totally hallucinate the same thing

I find this hard to believe. What do you know that I don't.

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