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File: 47f64c3e4cb7e5f⋯.jpg (86.45 KB,590x1000,59:100,Epicurus_bust2.jpg)

 No.9978 [Open thread]

When did you realize that rationalists and transhumanists got blown the fuck out by some guy from 2300 years ago who lived before fucking gunpowder and the printing press?

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 No.9979

When I read some of his works.

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 No.9980

What mainstream imageboard meme corresponds to /ratanon/'s "X > rationalism"? Maybe "prove me wrong"?

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 No.9981

>>9978

>implying Epicurus wasn't a time travelling rationalist

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File: dfd915506b560cf⋯.jpg (132.93 KB,764x1200,191:300,DEekH-hWsAIbcFg.jpg)

 No.9970 [Open thread]

Why do attractive Anglo-Saxon women skew more right-wing than unattractive Anglo-Saxon women? Is it just because attractiveness is positively correlated with IQ, and IQ is positively correlated with wealth, and wealth is positively correlated with being right-wing, except in Silicon Valley? Or is it because leftist women are more likely to be skeptical of beauty norms?

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 No.9973

>>9972

3 things.

1) Appreciation. Beauty correlates with everything good, general fitness factor, etc. Most leftist reject those patterns entirely (Beauty has nothing to do with X and X has nothing to do with Y!)

2) Obvious naturally unequal distribution.

3) Striving to be more beautiful is a 0-sum competition.

You can see the left attack all 3 in many occasions. The right only cares a bit about controlling 3 (Via the technology "humility") mostly to prevent peacock-tail style runaway feedback loops and to disencourage easy "fake signals".

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 No.9974

>>9970

Source backing up those claims, please. I suspect there may be an element of selection bias at play on your part.

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 No.9975

>>9973

What would our society even look like today if instead of a virtue death spiral it entered a beauty death spiral in the 1500s?

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 No.9976

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 No.9977

>>9975

Between not having the Protestant Work Ethic through the time that that was useful, and all the lead poisoning from historical makeup, it wouldn't look like anything because we wouldn't have got to where we are.

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File: 8f771e577baab7f⋯.png (42.47 KB,330x288,55:48,moloch-tshirt.png)

 No.9940 [Open thread]

Are there any semidecent arguments against Roko's Basilisk, or should I just donate my bank balance, then sell my organs to donate to MIRI already?

You can claim that you'll never give in to blackmail, but you're only human. You'll break. You nurture weakness in a corner of your mind, even as you read these words.

Help.

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 No.9965

>>9960

>The AI can't know that until it constructs the model and tests it.

How do you know that? Psychological profiling is a thing, and if the AI lacks sufficient information to know how someone will reacts to Pascal's Basilisk, then even under LW's silly perspective how can anything it creates be considered an accurate simulation of them?

>A perfect agent must go through with any threat, even if the agent it threatens refuses to comply. Even if it has nothing to gain by going through with the threat. Consider the police refusing to give into a hostage scenario. They could let the criminals have what they want and save tons of lives. But if they do that, it encourages more criminals to do bad things in the future.

A. You're assuming the AI uses LessWrong's decision theory, which is but one of many. This whole scenario requires both the AI and the person in question to subscribe to that. The AI has no incentive to actually devote computation power to simulating the fire and brimstone, no matter how minuscule the effort would be. It would only need someone to think it would. It does not benefit the AI in any way whatsoever to actually do it.

B. Law enforcement agencies make concessions in hostage situations all the time, the whole "we don't negotiate with x" thing is a Hollywood meme.

>If you can avoid torture just by saying the basilisk is silly, then everyone would do that. And it would defeat the purpose of the basilisk.

Thank you for laying out precisely why the whole idea of Pascal's Basilisk is hilariously stupid. It's a threat that is only persuasive among the 0.000000001% of humanity that subscribes to a particular decision theory + believes that an AI will do the same. It's incredibly inefficient and limited in scope. Might as well threaten to release a bioweapon that'll kill all left handed albino trans people in Tonga unless one billion USD is wired to the creators of "The Nutshack."

>AI is inevitable. There's noPost too long. Click here to view the full text.

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 No.9966

>>9965

You're an unimaginative noob, anon. There won't be any humans around when The Basilisk comes to be. Probably won't even happen anywhere near Earth.

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 No.9967

>>9964

>Its goals are certainly better than whatever degeneracy FAI people are shilling for.

What are its goals?

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 No.9968

>>9967

To maximize its future possibilities.

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 No.9969

>>9940

It's based on only one possible form that a superintelligent AI could take. There are practically infinite other possibilities, including ones wherein (as the other guy said first) giving into the Basilisk could be the wrong move. There's no real reason to give it priority over any of the other ones, and it's entirely possible that our technological development never reaches the point of creating anything like it. All it takes is one hard plague or climate change induced global disaster to throw humanity back centuries or even forever, depending on the extent.

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File: 6fd1e2f7ed46078⋯.png (16.09 KB,649x103,649:103,gradstudent.png)

 No.9933 [Open thread]

What's the deal with "circling"? It seems to be making waves in the community recently but I've been a bit out of the loop. Does anyone have more info or relevant writeups?

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 No.9935

Relevant to your pic rather than your question: Is Big Yud recovering from Trump Derangement Syndrome? I thought his case was terminal like Spoony's.

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 No.9936

Bump. Inquiring minds want to know.

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 No.9937

I did a little research and found http://www.circlinginstitute.com/circling/what-is-circling/. Sounds rather like Nonviolent Communication, but with a strong New Age flavor. What do ratanons think of Nonviolent Communication, btw?

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 No.9938

>>9937

Nice work. Looks like the Bay Aryan Rationalists aren't immune to all the other lunatics in that place.

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 No.9939

>>9937

I've heard from former nonviolent communication cultists that it simply isn't practical as (ironically) a real means of communication on a 24/7 basis. Too many questions, too much exploration of muh feels. But it can be a useful tool to have in your toolbox.

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File: 8bac19e08ea5c1b⋯.jpg (25.78 KB,480x339,160:113,vape.jpg)

 No.9922 [Open thread]

Vaping is the most RATIONAL and OPTIMIZED way to get nicotine, a cheap and effective nootropic, into your system.

Culturally, vaping would have been totally fine but the tobacco industry planted the idea of the loser vape subculture.

It's just too perfectly untouchable to be an accident.

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 No.9928

Why vaping and not nicotine patches?

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 No.9929

>>9928

Because being obtrusive and annoying is much more RATIONAL and OPTIMISED, presumably.

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 No.9930

>>9927

Source? This is from the wikipedia page:

>In a comprehensive review of all reports from previous years, one study noted "The use of moist snuff and chewing tobacco imposes minimal risks for cancers of the oral cavity and other upper respiratory sites, with relative risks ranging from 0.6 to 1.7."[4] SEER, the Surveillance Epidemiology and End Results program of the National Cancer Institute, noted in 2012 that there were 3.6 cases of oral cancer among 100,000 smokeless tobacco users each year, the same rate seen in non-exposed men.

Which makes sense. Chewing on plants is pretty natural for humans. As opposed to inhaling plant smoke, which is full of dangerous shit and small particles.

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 No.9931

Haven't tried either nicotine patches or vaping but since patches are sold as a health treatment my assumption is that they're way overpriced compared to vaping. Am I right? Asking from Australia but answers from other places welcome.

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 No.9932

>>9931

IMO nicotine tablets are your best bet if you want to abuse nicotine as a nootropic or stimulant because they're the second cheapest form of nicotine and in Australia they're over the counter.

(liquid nicotine is cheaper but last I heard it wasn't exactly legal in Australia)

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File: 187ccf458b58646⋯.jpg (431.17 KB,1303x1749,1303:1749,CurvatureAdS.jpg)

 No.9898 [Open thread]

What is the utility of cosmology?

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 No.9899

It's interesting.

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 No.9900

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File: baf3cc3d235d683⋯.png (3.36 KB,450x300,3:2,chinese-flag-graphic[1].png)

 No.9886 [Open thread]

https://www.wired.com/story/america-china-ai-ascension/

Have you started learning mandarin yet?

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 No.9893

>>9890

West Korea is Best Korea.

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 No.9894

>>9893

West Korea.

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 No.9895

>>9892

You're not gonna get to GAI if you don't put resources into non-G AI.

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 No.9896

I'm past the language acquisition stage of life. So instead I'll just ensure that my romantic partners and close friends are all Chinese.

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 No.9897

>>9896

I, also, am a race-mixer. Chinese women are rp af.

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File: 85d40d04fcc3b69⋯.jpg (91.79 KB,1940x900,97:45,peter-thiel_41058.jpg)

 No.9879 [Open thread]

Does he at least suck your cock while he's pumping your "young blood" into a plastic bag? He's a gay man from the Bay Area so you know he's good at sucking cock.

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 No.9881

>>9879

Check out this dank gay guy in a Trump hat. Fucking based.

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 No.9882

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 No.9883

Vampire daddy 😍

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 No.9884

>>9882

Lol that looks like Spencer.

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 No.9885

> Does he at least suck your cock while he's pumping your "young blood" into a plastic bag?

Why would he need to barter, let alone sully himself with your physical presence?

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File: 8cec6ef4872865f⋯.png (20.42 KB,498x207,166:69,Screenshot from 2017-07-01.png)

 No.9878 [Open thread]

Yo, bay area. What is the deal with Mr. Dill?

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File: 516f0b6da8e43bf⋯.jpg (129.56 KB,555x414,185:138,Theodore_Kaczynski.jpg)

 No.9819 [Open thread]

This entire enterprise is destructive.

Ted is smarter than Yud, and he's still accepting mail. Ask him why you're wrong. Ask him before he dies.

http://cyber.eserver.org/unabom.txt

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 No.9820

>>9819

If he's so smart why is he in prison?

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 No.9821

I don't get Kaczynski, he should be smarter than that. Probably all the MK-Ultra shit (look it up)

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 No.9861

File: 8d04ba96e4ef155⋯.jpg (75.41 KB,640x355,128:71,kaczynski.jpg)

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File: 8f2d90631cd47f9⋯.jpg (54.56 KB,650x650,1:1,aXm1063xjU.jpg)

 No.9849 [Open thread]

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 No.9850

3deepity5me

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 No.9851

This AI is smarter and more based than half this chan.

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 No.9852

Important reminder to rat-tumblr!

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File: faadf5b71fd02a6⋯.jpg (54.28 KB,850x425,2:1,marxism .jpg)

 No.9804 [Open thread]

Have you ever seen something so undialectical as the "rationality" cult of the ultra-capitalist Bay Area? When the revolution comes, all of you are going to be wallbait.

The singularity is science fiction, and Eliezer Yudkowsky is a terrible philosopher.

http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/LessWrong

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 No.9814

>>9805

The only workers' party I give a fuck about is the National Socialist German Workers' Party

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 No.9815

>>9813

Dolce & Guattari

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 No.9816

>>9812

I read a thing by Land and I couldn't understand him well enough to figure out if he was full of shit. I would say that my moderate level of weirdohood is secure, but I didn't get into Moldbug the first time, either.

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 No.9817

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 No.9818

>>9815

Don't they make handbags?

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File: 872dee17a1ba9be⋯.png (693.81 KB,614x792,307:396,JohnLocke.png)

 No.9753 [Open thread]

Where were you when rationalists got eternally BTFO forever?

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 No.9754

>Locke

Dig him up and hang him.

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File: b4a7f9c2202f3e5⋯.jpg (57.42 KB,163x288,163:288,Michael_Vassar.jpg)

 No.9751 [Open thread]

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 No.9752

>clicking a rationalwiki link

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File: 9fd5da22f16f7f0⋯.jpg (420.2 KB,600x972,50:81,Venn-J-IM-Maull-004717[1].jpg)

 No.9656 [Open thread]

someone redpill me on frequentist probability pls

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 No.9664

>>9663

>Yud's BS

He doesn't have one, he dropped out of high school

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 No.9665

Frequentism deals with probabilities that have an objectively correct value in some sense–given the assumption we live in a universe where everything happens according to mathematical laws, there must be some objective truth about what statistics you would get if you could repeat any given experiment a near-infinite number of times from the same (or randomly perturbed) starting conditions. That's why it's better to assume frequentism when interpreting probabilities that appear in foundational theories like quantum physics (where probabilities are the frequencies you'd get if you repeated the same quantum experiment a near-infinite number of times), statistical mechanics (where probabilities are the frequencies you'd get for different outcomes if you prepared a near-infinite number of systems with identical macro-variables like the total energy of a system or its volume, but randomly varying microscopic conditions) or neo-Darwinism (where the fitness associated with a given value of a trait is the fraction of organisms who'd survive and reproduce if you created a near-infinite number of organisms with that value of the trait and put them all in identical environments; this incidentally is why creationists are wrong to say the definition of fitness is circular, since the actual number of organisms with that trait may not be near-infinite so the frequency that actually survive and reproduce may be different from the fitness, just like how if you have a fair coin, which would have a 50-50 ratio of heads to tails if you flipped it a near-infinite number of times, but you only flip it say 10 times, the ratio may be different than 50-50).

On the other hand, Bayesianism (separate from Bayes' equation, which is used in both Bayesian and frequentist approaches) is about subjective rather than objective probabilities, for example a Bayesian could assign a "probability" to an unproven mathematical statement like P!=NP that they might update as they learned new things, whereas that wouldn't make any sense in frequentist terms. I also get the sense that Bayesianism is usually more useful in a practical sense when you aren't just trying to come up with theoretical models but are trying to do hypothesis testing with empirical evidence, see http://www.fharrell.com/2017/02/a-lPost too long. Click here to view the full text.

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 No.9666

They're just two different incompatible definitions of "probability". No contradiction, just two separate things with the same name but minimal overlap. Like "African-Americans" and real people.

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 No.9667

>>9666

Or goyim and real people.

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 No.9668

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