No.9982
Do you know what is actually rational since you are a Darwinian meat bag? Having 22 children by a ton of different women and spending half of your check on child support instead of anime.
http://www.timesofisrael.com/jewish-sperm-donor-who-sired-22-kids-is-a-married-man/
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No.9983
Are you attaching moral weight to Darwinism or something?
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No.9984
>>9983
Darwinism is attached to you whether you think it's moral or not, meatbag.
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No.9985
>>9984
Do you attach moral weight to gravity?
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No.9986
>>9985
Yes. People who deny gravity are immoral.
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No.9987
>>9986
In this context, denying gravity is building things that don't fall down. And actually engineers are good.
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No.9988
>>9987
Nope. That's defying gravity. Is you English slipping from living in the Bay Area? Would you prefer to speak Spanish, cuck boy?
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No.9989
> Is you English slipping from living in the Bay Area?
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No.9990
>>9982
Paying people to have children because they are women is less productive than paying for anime.
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No.9991
>>9988
The difference between defying and denying is indeed what I was alluding to. In plainer terms, "having 22 children is the most rational thing" is to evolution what "engineering is a blasphemy against gnon's will" is to gravity.
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No.9992
Why would I want to spread my genes? What's in it for me?
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No.9993
>>9992
You owe it to them. They literally created you and gave you total freedom and just this one job. Do you lack any sense of gratitude or altruism at all?
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No.9994
>>9993
They did not make me completely perfect so I think it's fair that they get nothing in return. This is how I deal with all life situations.
>Do you lack any sense of gratitude or altruism at all?
Looks like my genes screwed up there.
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No.9995
low fertility : genes :: AI alignment : humans
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No.9996
>>9984
Hay guys. I'm not nearly as smart as I like to pretend. Nuance and complexity are really tough for me. So I'm just going to take a single principle and apply it to literally everything. Not only factual questions, but ought ones too.
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No.9997
>>9996
>Is-Ought distinction
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No.9998
>>9993
Nigger they're molecules. Having gratitude or altruism for genes is about one step above "electrons are sentient".
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No.9999
>>9994
They did their best so it's only just and altruistic for you to do your best in return.
>Looks like my genes screwed up there.
Yes it does. Because they're imperfect like you, but unlike you they still try.
>>9998
>Nigger they're molecules.
So is your face.
More to the point so is your brain.
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No.10001
>>9999
Let me be a bit clearer since you're able to confuse "are made of molecules" with "are molecules": genes are not conscious. They do not have qualia. They do not experience emotions. Their preferences have no moral weight.
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No.10002
>>10001
>qualia
lmao
What's next, souls?
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No.10003
>>10001
But I don't have qualia either
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No.10004
>>10002
>>10003
If a human somehow doesn't have qualia, then they also have no moral weight. It's called being a p-zombie and murdering those is just as ethical as murdering the actual undead sort of zombie.
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No.10005
>>10004
Do you have any evidence that any humans have these "qualia"? Have any physicists, chemists, biologists, etc. ever detected qualia?
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No.10006
>>10005
Qualia are, by definition, detected firsthand by experiencing them. If you sincerely have to ask whether qualia exist, then you don't have them and therefore have no moral weight. Although I'm not saying it's okay to murder you - you're obviously not being sincere.
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No.10007
>>10006
Souls are, by definition, detected firsthand by experiencing them. If you sincerely have to ask whether souls exist, then you don't have them and therefore have no moral weight. Although I'm not saying it's okay to murder you - you're obviously not being sincere.
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No.10008
>>10007
The difference is that when you define "soul" in such a way that that argument actually works as an ad absurdum of what I said, your definition begs the question in a way that the definition of qualia doesn't.
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No.10009
>>10008
>begs the question in a way that the definition of qualia doesn't.
What way is that, exactly?
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No.10010
>>10009
It's subjective, I can't explain it to you.
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No.10011
If someone argues that he's a p-zombie does that make it more or less likely that he is?
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No.10012
>>10011
Neither, obviously.
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No.10013
Qualia are the "what it's like"-ness of experiences, but they are just a Darwinian meatbag relating one experience to another ("this is kind of like the sky looks, so let's call them both blue"), and in some cases attaching mystical importance to the fact that they are having any experience at all rather than being in a coma. But people in comas don't experience qualia simply because they are not laying down memories of experiences that can be later compared ("what it's like"-ness) with other experiences. You can't switch off qualia and you can't say anything more about them other than how they compare to other qualia, so they are just disguised material experiences. I can't believe we are still having this argument. It's like if you claimed the problem of free will hasn't been solved.
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No.10014
>>10013
You're just redefining qualia to mean something completely different. Make up your own word instead of fucking with an existing well-established one.
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No.10015
>>10014
I'm not redefining the word qualia. By "what-it's-like"-ness I was referring to the standard meaning. The rest is my reasoning. You can't handle the truth.
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