/ratanon/ - Rationalists Anonymous

>>13425

I envy you.

I went to the NYC solstice. I really loved it last year so I was excited for it this year. Sadly (and ironically) it was worse than last year. Not well rehearsed or prepared IMO, and I didn't like the new songs that were added this year. It was still relatively good, just disappointing.

I did have fun at the NYC mega-meetup though. (I didn't go last year.) Circling is surprisingly interesting and I had some good conversations.

(Thanks for listening, LiveJournal)

>>13431

This is an oversimplification. For you to go to a rationalist meetup a weighted combination of several factors must exceed a threshold. These factors include how ugly, weird and lonely you are, and the extent to which you have no life. You can draw useful conclusions from this model. For example, if you notice you are more handsome than the other attendees of a meetup, you are one or more of more weird, more lonely or more lacking in life than they.

https://www.sunderlandecho.com/news/crime/rape-victim-became-hooked-on-drugs-after-attacker-gave-her-free-mdma-trial-told-1-9370234

people unrelated

ideas fundamental

>>13086

> would not have consented if not for MDMA

> Free MDMA then addiction.

{thunk emoji}

bay ayran drug and cuck rope culture totally unrelated

are you all just broken jews?

>>12994

>I hope the rapist will manage after being ostracized (but not prosecuted) by the friends of his victims

>13418

(editor's note: any sex that women later regret was rape)

>>13435

That doesn't seem to be what happened in this case.

>>13424

Wage slavery isn't slavery, it's serfdom.

>>13421

*looks at the second image*

I must thank my racist and egoist impulses I guess I never gave a shit about EA.

>>13427

Do you work a full-time job? If so, then you're pretty much in the same boat as them.

>>13428

Yes but my life is a lot worse and my job is a lot shittier. It seems altruistic people in general have it on easy mode.

I don't know if my life would be very different. I already don't work a full-time job, play lots of autistic games and practice sports. Maybe I would work on enjoying socialization more, since more interesting people would be available for it.

>>13219

Sounds like bad life planning, especially if your kids would be low-agreeableness rationalists like you.

>>13225

Low-agreeableness doesn't mean no-loyalty.

>>13225

Everyone benefits from everyone else being selective retards…this is one reason why we can't have nice things in any society.

>>11453

I would if I could, I'm an infertile tranny.

>>13410

Stem cell synthetic sperm?

https://www.bionews.org.uk/page_96139

>>13391

>We're talking about an American cultural issue. Pointing out that that issue doesn't exist in certain other cultures doesn't help. It exists in that one.

>This is not a discussion about slavery in general. The discussion can be generalized, but you'd have to generalize it by talking about signaling and cultural norms in general, not by talking about slavery in general.

I have to talk globally because that's the only way to remove the log in the eyes of SJWs. What you described is better explained by cognitive diversity instead of by slavery.

One of my favorite examples is that of Trinidad and Tobago. Please explain to me why the fuck the descendants of indentured Indian servants are doing much better than the descendants of black slaves who were freed before them?

>This is what was meant by "segregation" in that context, and what would broadly be understood to be meant with the word "segregation" in that context:

>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Racial_segregation

>You seem to be using another definition to derive a meaning that has nothing to do with this discussion.

I remember that there used to be a lot of discrimination against Japanese folks in America, including sundown towns. However they are doing well. Apparently racism had negligible impact on them.

Instead of saying underperforming tropicals are fucked up because of muh ebil whitey, here is my hypothesis: They are fucked up because their ancestors never learned intensive agriculture and the civilized way of life. They don't have either the genes or memes necessary to do well in a modern civilization.

>>13391

If you want to ask me what my opinion of underperforming tropicals is, here we go:

They are a global liability of humanity.

>>13392

>>13393

>>13394

>>13395

Your posts aren't naturally related to the rest of the thread. >>13392 and >>13392 appear verbatim in a post on another website from a week ago.

You bring up the same topics in all your posts in every thread you post in. That makes it hard to discuss other topics.

Can you start a separate thread for your posts, especially about race and (the non-existence of) morality, and keep them out of other threads? Then people who want to talk about it can seek you out there.

(I think this is warranted, but tell me if it isn't.)

>>13396

Sure! I will start a new thread on the Tropical Question (TQ) so that in the future all TQ-related discussions should preferably be in the TQ thread.

>>13390

i sincerely hope you get your wish to be eaten by a bear, as you would most certainly find right by way of might.

>>13351

>it's real

It is.

>>13344

Checked

>>13351

Yeah, I was thinking about fast vs slow boards a little. For example, why was I writing an effortpost when part of its thesis is "effortposts are a weak strategy"? One answer is that I'm an adaptation executer and not a fitness maximizer, but I can also tell you I wouldn't have bothered if I didn't expect this thread to be near the top of the catalog for weeks: impossible on a fast board.

I also kind of ignored thread-opening strategy. For me it's high effort with uncertain reward, but as you and other anons have identified there are plenty of efficient openers. I think that fits with my general hypothesis.

(You)-efficiency = (You)s/effort

(You)-efficient posting strategy -> becomes part of imageboard culture

Not (You)-efficient -> doesn't

(You)-efficient, but also like/upvote/retweet efficient -> disappearing from imageboard culture in 2018

>>13357

Oh, I also hand-waved anonymity earlier, but I think it fits neatly into the (You)-efficiency model if we replace "effort" with the more general "cost". Some strategies have a real-life social cost without anonymity, and some even have a within-the-community cost under pseudonymity.

Why is /a/ so shit?

>>13372

normies, ree.

>>13370

There's one piece of information we don't have

Tits

>>13341

I agree that a good utility function is (for now) a platonic ideal that can only be uncertainly and somewhat arbitrarily approximated.

I don't think that a system being chaotic has to make it impossible to apply a utility function. It adds variance, but it doesn't necessarily preclude expected values.

And I don't think that such an approximation has to be useless. To be useless, it's not enough if it's imperfect - it has to do worse at satisfying the platonic utility function than other workable systems. I think QALY/$ estimates are good enough to be useful.

You can't prove with 100% certainty that it's good, but that goes for everything.

>>13338

>You can still practice effective altruism within your system, by finding the most efficient way to help people sufficiently similar to you.

The most altruistic thing I can do according to my own system of ethics is to fatten my own bank account, so it looks like I'm already an effective altruist. Good to know. Next time one of you guys starting preaching to me I'll tell him this.

>>13355

That's just effective, not altruism.

>>13355

Yeah, you're really stumping the cucks by defaulting to base selfishness like every other fat idiot.

>>13359

This, but unironically. Altruism towards people who resent it and wouldn't reciprocate even if they could hurts you and those like you. Base selfishness is far healthier.

Thanks for your words and your suggestion. I've never had a reddit account but I've lurked /r/ssc in the past. Didn't know about that recurring thread.

what should I read for attachement theory ?

>>13291

Aaron Swartz was extremely fond of Becoming Attached, which is currently sat on my bookshelf unread.

>>13321

What is "mythic mindset"? Is there a rationalist boat house? Post-rationalism and tulpamancy should be ideologically aligned with monogamy, though for somewhat different reasons. Being more traditional is one of the post-rationalists' defining characteristics.

>>13325

I think anon means https://www.greaterwrong.com/posts/HnWN6v4wHQwmYQCLX/mythic-mode

>agenty duck

>slave collar

>wants to modify automatic reactions

>into bdsm

>wears a collar

>not an shock collar

>>13301

Don't give them ideas.

Chinks are subhuman (conformists, lack of aesthetics and character, etc.)

Don't breed with them, even a reasonably smart african would be better.

>>13132

Then how come they have all this cool classic literature, wuxia, sculpture, calligraphy, Hong Kong cinema, etc.? Would you say the same things about Japs and Koreans?

>>13133

I was shitposting somewhat, have conflicting thoughts on asians in general, their strategy works for them at least. Japs are ok and I'm not familiar with koreans.

>>13151

Not a fan of the white-asian mix though (This was supposed to be one post)

>>13250

Gender/species preference could be something from a furry porn site.

The passengers are the ones that deserve death. They're the ones that opted to get into the car.

>>13246

>0 is the global average

Shit chart. Is the global average leaning towards saving the passengers or saving the pedestrians? If they wanted to lay out the chart like that, it would make much more sense for 0 to represent no preference in either direction.

>>13253

Agreed, but I imagine for the Chinese it's more like "MY car is supposed to protect ME, fuck the unwashed peasants who couldn't even afford one".

>>9918

Does it, dogg?

I'm so fucking happy about not being a transfaggot

>>9916

>If AGP isn't rational, then why are so many rationalists AGP?

See the second half of >>5032

>>13254

god I miss Alone

>>13169

Some utilitarians would be on board with that. Some utilitarians think that doesn't maximize utility (e.g. preference utilitarians) or even happiness (e.g. certain objections about unique brain states).

There exist EA people who would be on board with that. I don't know how many. I would think people who think tiling the universe with hedonium is good wouldn't object to wireheading either.

There also exist EA people who aren't utilitarians, even though the overall sensibilities of EA are pretty utilitarian. I don't know how many.

Most EA has much more mundane goals. Preventing malaria or improving nutritional intake of poor rural laborers using low-cost interventions is good whether you subscribe to preference utilitarianism or negative utilitarianism or hedonic utilitarianism.

>>13165

Tyrone wouldn't stoop down to fucking the sort of girl who goes poly.

>>13166

>Obeying them or getting rid of them is always instrumental, never a terminal goal.

Why not? Did the Terminal Goal Fairy come down and bless your dear monkey brain with some sort of exogenous goals?

>>13168

>The reason polyamory is considered good by a lot of rationalists isn't that it suppresses obsolete primate programming, it's that it (presumably) makes the people involved happier.

So it's not good because it suppresses the (((obsolete))) primate desire to pair bond, sure, but it is good because it achieves the primate desire to experience happiness. Really makes me think. And what I'm thinking is that you haven't thought this through all the way. You never answered the other anon's question, "What are some terminal goals that are not primate heuristics?"

>>13171

Tyrone will copulate with whomever he damn well pleases.

>>13172

>Why not? Did the Terminal Goal Fairy come down and bless your dear monkey brain with some sort of exogenous goals?

In explicit justifications rationalists give, like the OP seems to be criticizing, it's an instrumental goal. In the first case it's not "this is primate programming so you should get rid of it" but "this is primate programming so it's okay to get rid of it to achieve X".

>You never answered the other anon's question, "What are some terminal goals that are not primate heuristics?"

That's what the first paragraph was about. Explicitly stated terminal goals are not always primate heuristics. Direct causes are primate heuristics, but talking in terms of those is usually not useful.

EA or any other form of altruism in general is a consequence of idiocy.